Kessler: Calzaghe has glass chin compared to Andrade

[Teddy Edelman]

Kessler said yesterday that it ain't going to be easy against the fast Calzaghe..

but Calzaghe is beatable and only a human being..

Kessler is convinsed that if he lands 1/3 of the big shots that he did against Andrade on Joe...:thumbsup

the welsh will kiss the floor because his chin is weaker then Andrade's..

look for more on Teampalle.dk

:smoke

[Gsand]

Sounds like he's having a few beers during training

[ChuckYoungblood]

The shots Andrade took were out of this world. Everybody has a china chin compared to him.

Kessler also said that it would be difficult to find a sparring partner with the same style and explosiveness as Calzaghe.

[China_hand_Joe]

but Calzaghe is beatable and only a human being..


Interesting theory Mikkel has there.

Stupid, but interesting.

[Teddy Edelman]

Interesting theory Mikkel has there.

Stupid, but interesting.


you seems to agree with Kessler on the rest..:lol:

way to go China...:good

[Korn_06]

According to Mikkel Kesslers news letter his puls is now 31 after some rest. So I guess he is in shape early.

[China_hand_Joe]

We all know though, knocking Calzaghe is just about the most foolish thing his opponents can do.

Just ask huge punching Byron Mitchell whether hitting Joe with the most vicious right hook ever seen, helped him win the fight.

[Sai]

The shots Andrade took were out of this world. Everybody has a china chin compared to him.

Kessler also said that it would be difficult to find a sparring partner with the same style and explosiveness as Calzaghe.

There isnt one anywhere in the world. Lacy had the same problems pre Calzaghe, he had Winky to spar with. It didnt get him to far.

Mikkel Kessler is a great fighter. He is in fact the 2nd best fighter at 168lbs in the entire world. Unfortunately Calzaghe is the 1st. Its going to be a great fight to watch, but Calzaghe is going to take him out.

[ChuckYoungblood]

According to Mikkel Kesslers news letter his puls is now 31 after some rest. So I guess he is in shape early.

Yeah, I noticed that as well - resting heart rate at 31 - pretty good:good

[Sai]

We all know though, knocking Calzaghe is just about the most foolish thing his opponents can do.

Just ask huge punching Byron Mitchell whether hitting Joe with the most vicious right hook ever seen, helped him win the fight.

Exactly. I just brought this up on the Brit forum. Kesslers best bet and in fact only chance to win is to stay at range and outbox Calzaghe. Unfortunately, hes not varied enough to do this. If he attempts to hurt Calzaghe he is going to be on the blunt end of a Lacying. Trying to get inside and bang will probably be the end of his career as a top level guy.

[China_hand_Joe]

Jabs also serve just to annoy Calzaghe. It seems anything Kessler does in this fight will only work against himself.

Kessler's gameplan should be to just stand in the middle of the ring and take his beating like a man.

[PrideOfWales]

Kessler said yesterday that it ain't going to be easy against the fast Calzaghe..

but Calzaghe is beatable and only a human being..

Kessler is convinsed that if he lands 1/3 of the big shots that he did against Andrade on Joe...:thumbsup

the welsh will kiss the floor because his chin is weaker then Andrade's..

look for more on Teampalle.dk

:smoke

World belt fights for Andrade: 1
World belt fights for Kessler: 5

World title fights for Calzaghe: 21

I think it's pretty clear (even in Danish maths) that Andrade and Kessler together have operated nowhere near the level of Calzaghe.

Stupid comment from Kessler (lack of English skills perhaps?). Andrade was in his first belt challenge and if anything, it shows that Kessler's power isn't exactly devastating. Joe took some massive shots from bigger punchers than Kessler and was never seriously in trouble (aside from the last seconds against Eubank).

"Kessler is convinsed that if he lands 1/3 of the big shots that he did against Andrade on Joe..."

The smartest thing Kessler said here was the word "If". Very pertinent.

[ozziebattler]

I dont really care who wins this fight as all i want is a tough exciting bout between the top two super middles.

But if i didnt know what boxing was and went on this site i would assume joe calzaghe is god and mikkel kessler is atleast a 1000 0000000000-1 underdog..

I dont know what the outcome will be and either does any1 not even the fighters themself..

Please hurry up and fight as i want all of us to have our answers.

I CANT HANDLE THE TALK ABOUT THIS BOUT ANYMORE.

[Sai]

Andrade is like a remote control combo dummy though. He just keeps on coming forward to get belted. He has an absolutely fantastic chin, you could probably hit the cunt with a tank and he wouldnt blink. Unfortunately that has no bearing on the Calzaghe fight as the 2 are leagues apart in terms of styles and ability.

Whilst Kessler is trying to land 1/3 of those shots hes going to have to evade 100 punches a round from the most awkward southpaw in the world of boxing who has almost unparalleled big fight experience.

Its going to be a tough night for Mikkel

[Strike]

Jabs also serve just to annoy Calzaghe. It seems anything Kessler does in this fight will only work against himself.

Kessler's gameplan should be to just stand in the middle of the ring and take his beating like a man.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You have gone from being a bit annoying when you first arrived to very entertaining.:good

[dragosuhail]

firstly out of curiousity, what is the average person's rested heartbeat? i've heard super fit people have slower heart rates but not sure what to compare it to.

secondly i think using his legs constantly will be kessler's key to victory. never get caught on the ropes. never let joe in close enough to tie one hand up while whaling away to body and head with the other. kessler will be moving even more than he was against andrade. stick and move. might not be the most exciting style to use in such a massive fight, but i really think that will be the way to throw joe off his game.

not because he has to throw calzaghe off balance like he did against andrade but to simply frustrate joe who likes fighters who blindly gun for him. kessler isn't like that, and he definately is NOT like lacy.

about lacy. i hope the calzaghe fans are not getting too in love with that performance. yes i was over the moon when joe outclassed the cocky limited fighter, but i was also expecting this because of the style matchup. im not that blind that i cannot see that kessler is a million light years different to the eubanks, brewers, sheikas, mitchells, lacys, and yes even veit types.

you can have lots of talent and tons of championship experience and so on....

but there comes a time when father time catches up with you.
when jones meets his tarver. when mosley meets his forrest and so on.

i win either way though lol.

for joe he will be the best ever super middle if he wins. he wont even need to fight taylor or hopkins. those fights will simply be icing on the cake.

if kessler wins (and i am backing him and also hope he wins) it will be better for the sport since he still has milage left in him to put on good shows and draw interest back to the sport. well at for the northern european markets. just like wladimir and co. have built up the germany and russian audiences. or manny pac has built up the south asian audiences. it is definately better for the long run. calzaghe win is good for only him. not that im complaining tho.

:happy let's get ready to RUUUMMMBBBLLEEEEE!!!!!

[China_hand_Joe]

firstly out of curiousity, what is the average person's rested heartbeat? i've heard super fit people have slower heart rates but not sure what to compare it to.


Q I have an unusually low resting heart rate - with beats per minute in the mid-30s - and my doctor is a bit concerned about it. What is the normal range of resting heart rates for runners? And are there any problems associated with a low resting heart rate?

A First, because endurance athletes have strong hearts, they generally have low heart rates. As an analogy, consider a bricklayer lifting bricks. If his arm muscles are strong from lifting lots of bricks, he can move 10 bricks with each lift rather than just two or three. Similarly, if your heart muscle is strong thanks to running, it has a higher stroke volume, which means that it can pump more blood with each beat than an untrained heart. It can also pump the same amount of blood in a minute using fewer beats. The average resting heart rate of endurance athletes is around 50-60 beats per minute. I've seen one report, though, of a healthy athlete whose resting pulse was only 25 beats per minute.
Doctors who are familiar with athletes only get worried - and follow up accordingly - when a resting heart rate is lower than 30. But even this can be completely normal (and usually is) if the athlete is otherwise healthy. The slow heart rate indicates a strong heart, but this alone does not make you a better runner. There are too many other factors involved in running performance.
Are there any problems associated with your low heart rate? Perhaps one. It does make you more vulnerable to anything that reduces the blood flow back to the heart, such as coughing or choking on food. This occurs because the reduced blood flow causes the heart to slow down even more, to allow more time for blood to enter the heart. And that can set off an involuntary nervous response that leads to fainting. Apart from this, provided that you have no other symptoms or complaints, your resting pulse should not concern you, or your doctor, unduly.




Kessler is lying though.

[langshof]

Yeah, I noticed that as well - resting heart rate at 31 - pretty good:good

It's pretty good compared to you and me. But for an elite boxer it's normal. When Brian Nielsen Was at the peak of his so called career he had the exact same rate - 31. And he was a fat fuck.

[langshof]

It's pretty good compared to you and me. But for an elite boxer it's normal. When Brian Nielsen Was at the peak of his so called career he had the exact same rate - 31. And he was a fat fuck.

And Miguel Indurain (5x tour de france winner) had a rate of 29.

[China_hand_Joe]

Do they measure heartrate over 30 seconds instead of a minute in Denmark?

[bill poster]

JCs age will show in this fight. If he wins, just one big payday and then retire please

[ChuckYoungblood]

It's pretty good compared to you and me. But for an elite boxer it's normal. When Brian Nielsen Was at the peak of his so called career he had the exact same rate - 31. And he was a fat fuck.

I've had a resting heart rate at 45 (in my prime). 31 is elite in any form of sport, and I don't believe that Brian Nielsen had such low heart rate. But again it varies from person to person, so maybe he was blesssed with a heart bigger than his discipline.

[red cobra]

Look, in all seriousness, it's foolish as hell to underrate Calzaghe for any reason. All the great experts in the U.S. had Lacy destroying, just steamrolling poor fragile, overrated Calzaghe. One "expert" analysis, and prognostication after the other all predicted that Lacy, the Mike Tyson Incarnate, would roll over Calzaghe. The "Experts" only differed in what round the inevitable would happen. What resulted was not just a victory for Joe Calzaghe, but one of the most one sided, sustained, and dominant performances seen in years. Calzaghe is verging on his 10th year as champion and is just a few fights away from eclipsing the Great Joe Louis' title defense record. As good as Mikkel Kessler is, and I think he's an excellent fighter who can't miss being a major force in boxing for years to come. However that does not necessarily mean that he will defeat Joe Calzaghe. I guess everyone is counting on the Welshman to just fall apart suddenly any old time now. The "Experts" were saying that before the Lacy fight too.

[Rollo]

And Miguel Indurain (5x tour de france winner) had a rate of 29.



He would easily beat Kessler, then.:hey

[Fab2333]

Yeah, I noticed that as well - resting heart rate at 31 - pretty good:good

Dont kno what this quite means, please explain

[ChuckYoungblood]

Dont kno what this quite means, please explain

That means your heart beat 31 times pr minute, when youre completely relaxed..

[Fab2333]

Sow at does that mean lol. Wat is the normal heart rate for some1 who is relaxed. Sorry for not knowing all the medical lingo. Im just tryin 2 understand
That means your heart beat 31 times pr minute, when youre completely relaxed..

[Boyd]

who doesn't?

[henrik]

i know how kessler develop his skills up to any fight! and mikkel is use to box southpows he´s hole career,whith his sparringpartner in years:Mads larsen.
I LNOW THAT JOE IS MORE AWKWARD TO FIGHT,But i think a LOT of you guys will be VERY surprised Nov.3....

[jammerdk]

i know how kessler develop his skills up to any fight! and mikkel is use to box southpows he´s hole career,whith his sparringpartner in years:Mads larsen.
I LNOW THAT JOE IS MORE AWKWARD TO FIGHT,But i think a LOT of you guys will be VERY surprised Nov.3....:good

[Max Molyneux]

Kessler needs a chin checking.

Zak and Amsterdam what do you think?

[JJ]

He would easily beat Kessler, then.:hey

Yep cyclists are mean fighters...:rofl

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[Rollo]

Sow at does that mean lol. Wat is the normal heart rate for some1 who is relaxed. Sorry for not knowing all the medical lingo. Im just tryin 2 understand


Lower heart rate = stronger heart = the more bloood it can pump around = the more you can work without getting tired.


Normal heart rate varies from person to person from about 60 to 80, when you´re relaxed.

[Fab2333]

Lower heart rate = stronger heart = the more bloood it can pump around = the more you can work without getting tired.


Normal heart rate varies from person to person from about 60 to 80, when you´re relaxed. o ok:good

[gilad]

Kessler's chin is also glass compared to Andrade. It was a bad comment. It's like saying Holyfield's chin is glass compared to Tua.

[JJ]

Kessler's chin is also glass compared to Andrade. It was a bad comment. It's like saying Holyfield's chin is glass compared to Tua.

He would newer call others chins glass, he said weaker...Proberly with a smile!

Im sure he would agree that his own chin is weaker then Andrades.

[UndisputedUK]

World belt fights for Andrade: 1
World belt fights for Kessler: 5

World title fights for Calzaghe: 21

I think it's pretty clear (even in Danish maths) that Andrade and Kessler together have operated nowhere near the level of Calzaghe.

Stupid comment from Kessler (lack of English skills perhaps?). Andrade was in his first belt challenge and if anything, it shows that Kessler's power isn't exactly devastating. Joe took some massive shots from bigger punchers than Kessler and was never seriously in trouble (aside from the last seconds against Eubank).

"Kessler is convinsed that if he lands 1/3 of the big shots that he did against Andrade on Joe..."

The smartest thing Kessler said here was the word "If". Very pertinent.

Eubank landed a great uppercut in the last round against Calzaghe, it hurt Joe. That punch would have destroyed a lot of 168lbs.

[sandwichsurgeon]

According to Mikkel Kesslers news letter his puls is now 31 after some rest. So I guess he is in shape early.

Thats because he is half scared to death after realising what he has signed up for.

[dumdane]

Thats because he is half scared to death after realising what he has signed up for.

Thought heartrate was supposed to go up when scared:D

Either Kessler is really superhuman or your theory doesn't hold up:hi:

[dragosuhail]

thanks for the facts china hands joe! :thumbsup

i went and checked my pulse. im nearly 6'2 and weight about 123kg's yet when fit and not overweight about 110kg. so, i checked my heartrate and it's about 72.

i guess that must be okay, but DAMN! 31 or whatever, i can see how boxers seem to fight at such high intensity and also not burn up their energy before a fight.

while the average joe on the street (pun intended har har), would be beating around 110 beats a minute in the preparation room, the elite fighters would probably beat around 60 tops.

i actually remember watching the mundine/kessler fight (and hoping kessler would win!) and remarking on how calm kessler seemed, fighting without home crowd advantage and also only about 60% fit due to back injury. it is obviously something the elite can do cause i was pumped just sitting in the lounge room LOL!

[Carlos Primera]

thanks for the facts china hands joe! :thumbsup

i went and checked my pulse. im nearly 6'2 and weight about 123kg's yet when fit and not overweight about 110kg. so, i checked my heartrate and it's about 72.

i guess that must be okay, but DAMN! 31 or whatever, i can see how boxers seem to fight at such high intensity and also not burn up their energy before a fight.

while the average joe on the street (pun intended har har), would be beating around 110 beats a minute in the preparation room, the elite fighters would probably beat around 60 tops.

i actually remember watching the mundine/kessler fight (and hoping kessler would win!) and remarking on how calm kessler seemed, fighting without home crowd advantage and also only about 60% fit due to back injury. it is obviously something the elite can do cause i was pumped just sitting in the lounge room LOL!

yup man. i believe a resting heart rate of 31 BPM is elite in terms of fitness. a regular joe's resting HR is between 60-80.

[Korn_06]

The heart rate things is misleading - a low hear rate can be down to a lot of factors. It's as pointless as the "boxers are the fittest athletes in sport".

Fitness is relative, as in fit for purpose. A 12st sumo wrestler is unfit for the purpose, whereas a cruiser trying to fight at welter is also unfit for the purpose, but may be very fit in the cardiovascular sense.

Only misleading if you are misreading the point of it.

If your heart rate drops, then it usually means that your body is better at obtaining and using the oxygen in the blood. Your ability to use oxygen is also the way you meassure your psysical fitness.

But dont be so nervouse I know you wish Kessler to turn up out of shape, but that is probably not going to happen. Both are going to come in the best condition ever. But that should not be a problem for the God Calzaghe.

[hitman_hatton1]

The shots Andrade took were out of this world.

andrade is as stiff as a board though. :yep

he don't take the sting out of sod all. :patsch

[Smazz20]

thanks for the facts china hands joe! :thumbsup

i went and checked my pulse. im nearly 6'2 and weight about 123kg's yet when fit and not overweight about 110kg. so, i checked my heartrate and it's about 72.

i guess that must be okay, but DAMN! 31 or whatever, i can see how boxers seem to fight at such high intensity and also not burn up their energy before a fight.

while the average joe on the street (pun intended har har), would be beating around 110 beats a minute in the preparation room, the elite fighters would probably beat around 60 tops.

i actually remember watching the mundine/kessler fight (and hoping kessler would win!) and remarking on how calm kessler seemed, fighting without home crowd advantage and also only about 60% fit due to back injury. it is obviously something the elite can do cause i was pumped just sitting in the lounge room LOL!


Your supposed to take your RHR first thing in the morning. Don't even get up to go the toilet or anything, as soon as you wake up, (and if you remember:D ) take it then. That's when your body is in it's most rested state.

[yesihavearm]

Just to point out though guys it's highly unlikely (I'm near certain that he hasnt) that Mikkel Kessler has a resting heart-rate of 31bpm. Resting heart rates of 30-35 are reserved for top middle/long distance runners - Cyclists - Endurance swimmers. The athlete in question would have to be of a certain body type that we in medicine call an Ectomorph body type. This body type is naturally skinny with narrow shoulders and a slight bone structure, extremely difficult to put on muscle mass because of hyper-metabolism, and are tall in height. This is why you see so many top Kenyan/Ethopian etc Runners in the world because their genes have dictated them to this body type so they are naturally good for endurance competition.

I'f someone of Mikkel Kessler's build and profession came into see me and they had a resting bpm of 31 i'd be seriously concearned.

Btw i'm about to enter my 4th year of a 7year long MBBS Medicine degree at Imperial College London - I know what i'm talking about.

[Smazz20]

Just to point out though guys it's highly unlikely (I'm near certain that he hasnt) that Mikkel Kessler has a resting heart-rate of 31bpm. Resting heart rates of 30-35 are reserved for top middle/long distance runners - Cyclists - Endurance swimmers. The athlete in question would have to be of a certain body type that we in medicine call an Ectomorph body type. This body type is naturally skinny with narrow shoulders and a slight bone structure, extremely difficult to put on muscle mass because of hyper-metabolism, and are tall in height. This is why you see so many top Kenyan/Ethopian etc Runners in the world because their genes have dictated them to this body type so they are naturally good for endurance competition.

I'f someone of Mikkel Kessler's build and profession came into see me and they had a resting bpm of 31 i'd be seriously concearned.

Btw i'm about to enter my 4th year of a 7year long MBBS Medicine degree at Imperial College London - I know what i'm talking about.


TAX DODGER:twisted: :twisted:

[RonnieHornschuh]

this has nothing to with the heart rate (quite amazing though): i just checked kessler's record, and this may not be new to many of you, but kessler went the distance with mundine who belongs to the exclusive "i got ko'd by sven ottke" club.
besides that, my favourite is calzaghe. he is too fast and explosive and if they are trading punches i would favor him, if it goes the distance maybe kessler.

[Korn_06]

Just to point out though guys it's highly unlikely (I'm near certain that he hasnt) that Mikkel Kessler has a resting heart-rate of 31bpm. Resting heart rates of 30-35 are reserved for top middle/long distance runners - Cyclists - Endurance swimmers. The athlete in question would have to be of a certain body type that we in medicine call an Ectomorph body type. This body type is naturally skinny with narrow shoulders and a slight bone structure, extremely difficult to put on muscle mass because of hyper-metabolism, and are tall in height. This is why you see so many top Kenyan/Ethopian etc Runners in the world because their genes have dictated them to this body type so they are naturally good for endurance competition.

I'f someone of Mikkel Kessler's build and profession came into see me and they had a resting bpm of 31 i'd be seriously concearned.

Btw i'm about to enter my 4th year of a 7year long MBBS Medicine degree at Imperial College London - I know what i'm talking about.

Do you like yourself better online Blocky?:yep

[China_hand_Joe]

"This body type is naturally skinny with narrow shoulders and a slight bone structure, extremely difficult to put on muscle mass because of hyper-metabolism"
Low metabolic rates = low pulses generally, so that isn't at all related.

But Blocky is absolutely right anyway, Kessler does not have a resting pulse of 31. A 12 stone body requires quite a bit of blood being circulated.

[yesihavearm]

Do you like yourself better online Blocky?:yep

LOL im not Blocky, im welsh for a start, and go to University in London.

[THN]

LOL im not Blocky, im welsh for a start, and go to University in London.
good for you!

[Alo2006]

Can't wait until Kessler silence you Calzaghe fans :yep

[shavers]

Can't wait until Kessler silence you Calzaghe fans :yep

Yeah its getting a bit boring listening to these fantasts...

[Decebal]

31 per minute?! I bet it's not less than 45...it just cannot be! It must be some kind of joke.

[China_hand_Joe]

Per 30 seconds mate. That is consistant with the Nielson number.

[Decebal]

Per 30 seconds mate. That is consistant with the Nielson number.

that cannot be either...Kessler should have a heartrate per minute in the region of 48-52...

[markbrooklyn]

The sparring with Winky thing was absolutely surreal - Winky's a southpaw and there the comparison stops. How Lacy thought that would prepare him, I don't know.

Kessler's off-base - Andrade had a great chin but is a woeful fighter for a title challenger.

Kessler won't be able to fire off shots like that because he'll be too busy trying to avoid the constant piston-like shots coming from Joe.

Everybody keeps saying that Kessler's going to counter, but he won't have time to breathe during the flurries and, the rest of the time, Joe will be so close to him that he won't be able to fire off his counters.

He's gonna get demolished.

:huh Since when does Calzaghe throw "piston-like shots"???