View Full Version : Push ups build punching power? I think so.
Mendoza
01-28-2009, 09:08 PM
Dicuss.
BlackWater
01-28-2009, 09:21 PM
Squats build punching power.
Discuss
tri-pod
01-28-2009, 09:26 PM
pull-ups build punching power.
Discuss.
El Puma
01-28-2009, 09:36 PM
Squats build punching power.
DiscussBingo:good
The Russians found that 70% of punching power came from core and leg strength. Will look for that study and repost.
McGrain
01-28-2009, 09:53 PM
I think the single most important excersise for building punching impact is punching :D
ralphc
01-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Back in my day, we didn't waste time worrying about increasing punching power. We all accepted the simple reality that huge punching power can not be created. It is very sad that young boxers these days have a neurotic preoccupation with fantasy punching power. They pump up their muscles then pretend they can punch like George Foreman. Why is it they are knocking out as many guys as George Foreman?
Boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. When I was young we believed it would strengthen the bones, and I still believe it now.
ralphc
01-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Back in my day, we didn't waste time worrying about increasing punching power. We all accepted the simple reality that huge punching power can not be created. It is very sad that young boxers these days have a neurotic preoccupation with fantasy punching power. They pump up their muscles then pretend they can punch like George Foreman. Why is it they are knocking out as many guys as George Foreman?
Boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. When I was young we believed it would strengthen the bones, and I still believe it now.
TheRock49
01-28-2009, 11:00 PM
Back in my day, we didn't waste time worrying about increasing punching power. We all accepted the simple reality that huge punching power can not be created. It is very sad that young boxers these days have a neurotic preoccupation with fantasy punching power. They pump up their muscles then pretend they can punch like George Foreman. Why is it they are knocking out as many guys as George Foreman?
Boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. When I was young we believed it would strengthen the bones, and I still believe it now.
Way to sound like a grumpy old man... "back in my day..."
ralphc
01-28-2009, 11:11 PM
Way to sound like a grumpy old man... "back in my day..."
I am a grumpy old man. You have a problem with that?
boxbible
01-29-2009, 05:07 AM
Back in my day, we didn't waste time worrying about increasing punching power. We all accepted the simple reality that huge punching power can not be created.
But you did try to increase your punching power with better leverage, sitting on the punch, and turning them over? So, why not a bit of strength training also? because, back in the day, they all tried it only on the arms and shoulders, and it didn't do sh*t... they didn't realize, as some do today, that it's in the leg muscles...
It is very sad that young boxers these days have a neurotic preoccupation with fantasy punching power. They pump up their muscles then pretend they can punch like George Foreman. Why is it they are knocking out as many guys as George Foreman?
That is true... they're all foolishly looking for the one simple answer that'll give them awesome punching power...
Boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. When I was young we believed it would strengthen the bones, and I still believe it now.
If you still beleive that doing pushups on your fingers and knuckles will strengthen your bones, I've got a bridge in New York I can sell you real cheap...
And besides, why, if you beleive the pushups-bones thing, do you not advance to the seemingly logical conclusion that if you do even heavier excercises, your bones would become even stronger???
Machine
01-29-2009, 06:07 AM
:lol: Yes, building strength in the muscles involved in throwing a punch increases the power of that punch. As does improved timing and technique. Punching uses a whole lot of different muscles.
I think the single most important excersise for building punching impact is punching :D
:good
Aplin
01-29-2009, 07:48 AM
Punching the punch bag builds punching power... Press ups / pull ups / squats build strength and/or muscular endurance depending how you do them
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 08:22 AM
Dicuss.
it can a bit yes but it must be done correctly
the push up nust be explosive as possible so your hands leave the ground
it's also a good idea to relax several seconds between reps and DO NOT keep pushing to muscular failure
do about 5 reps per set and rest 3 mins between sets
every rep should basically be a fresh rep for maximum power, if fatigue sets in it becomes nothing different to a bodybuilding excercise for endurance
also do close grip push ups not just standard ones
a bench press can do the same thing but you have more choice of altering the weight with a bench press whether heavier or lighter
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 08:24 AM
Squats build punching power.
Discuss
defenitely - but you forgot weighted jump squats and one leg jump squats
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 08:25 AM
I think the single most important excersise for building punching impact is punching :D
thanks for stating the obvious
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 08:31 AM
Back in my day, we didn't waste time worrying about increasing punching power. We all accepted the simple reality that huge punching power can not be created. It is very sad that young boxers these days have a neurotic preoccupation with fantasy punching power. They pump up their muscles then pretend they can punch like George Foreman. Why is it they are knocking out as many guys as George Foreman?
Boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. When I was young we believed it would strengthen the bones, and I still believe it now.
these boxers who "pump" up they're muscles i agree have got it wrong because they naively follow a typical bodybuilder style weight lifting plan
A punch starts in the toes and ends in the fist. Every muscle in between plays a role. You can have terrific legs but if your core can't transfer that power it's 100% worthless. In other words you don't need strong legs you need a strong body. Focusing on a muscle group is totally useless IMO.
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 08:43 AM
Back in my day, we didn't waste time worrying about increasing punching power. We all accepted the simple reality that huge punching power can not be created. It is very sad that young boxers these days have a neurotic preoccupation with fantasy punching power. They pump up their muscles then pretend they can punch like George Foreman. Why is it they are knocking out as many guys as George Foreman?
Boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. When I was young we believed it would strengthen the bones, and I still believe it now.
you are correct that not everyone can be huge punchers but whats wrong with increasing power to an extent?
what you don't probably know is strength can be acquired WITHOUT ADDING WEIGHT with or without iron
i do heavy squats for my legs and the result is i have far more spring, quicker on my feet and hit harder
what can be wrong with that?
also did you know weight training increases tendon strength and bone density and protects against injuries? (you said it yourself but why limit it to fingers and hands?)
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 08:45 AM
A punch starts in the toes and ends in the fist. Every muscle in between plays a role. You can have terrific legs but if your core can't transfer that power it's 100% worthless. In other words you don't need strong legs you need a strong body. Focusing on a muscle group is totally useless IMO.
yes absolutely
the obliques and abs, back must be strengthened too
cable twist is good for the twisting motion
MMAFIGHTER1
01-29-2009, 08:48 AM
i use medicine ball throws (it will also help with ur balance and control). 8-12 lbs just like a punch but ur pushing the ball in the motion of a punch against the wall bout 10-12 feet away. thats just 1 i do. But it its true alot of it comes from ur legs and hip rotation
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 09:01 AM
i use medicine ball throws (it will also help with ur balance and control). 8-12 lbs just like a punch but ur pushing the ball in the motion of a punch against the wall bout 10-12 feet away. thats just 1 i do. But it its true alot of it comes from ur legs and hip rotation
i have an idea for you
attach a shot put ball (smaller than the standard though) to a rope and suspend the rope from a beam
it fits in your hand easily and you don't have to tense your shoulders holding it up before throwing it
add to this a weighted vest for resistance on the torso and legs
MMAFIGHTER1
01-29-2009, 09:06 AM
i have an idea for you
attach a shot put ball (smaller than the standard though) to a rope and suspend the rope from a beam
it fits in your hand easily and you don't have to tense your shoulders holding it up before throwing it
add to this a weighted vest for resistance on the torso and legs
Thats a good idea never thought of that. a lil 2 much effort involved 4 set up haha
I have an idea that is less trouble setting up. Attach a 16 ounce weight to each hand, and then throw those weights at a not too hard surface, like a leather bag filled with cloth for example.
:think
MMAFIGHTER1
01-29-2009, 09:17 AM
I have an idea that is less trouble setting up. Attach a 16 ounce weight to each hand, and then throw those weights at a not too hard surface, like a leather bag filled with cloth for example.
:think
simple enough thanks
Bingo:good
The Russians found that 70% of punching power came from core and leg strength. Will look for that study and repost.
I'll be looking out for that link bro:good
El Puma
01-29-2009, 10:10 AM
I'll be looking out for that link bro:goodAfter finding the source, I realized I had initially read it in a book I have called Power by the Squat Doctor himself. Here is a piece and the link to the full page:thumbsup I was also wrong about the percentage:oops:(70)
There have been some very interesting soviet studies on what makes a technically sound punch. The soviets looked at 120 boxers ranging from amateurs to experienced professionals. This study found that among the highest level boxers, the highest percent of their power (38.46%) came from the push-off of their back leg, whereas the arm extension and trunk rotation accounted for 24.12% and 37.42% respectively. Even more interesting was that the high level boxers were more ‘well rounded' with their power development compared to the less experienced boxers (arm extension 37.99%, trunk rotation 45.50% and leg extension 16.51%). This shows that with an increase in boxing skill and experience, boxers improve coordination between arm, leg and trunk movements.
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cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 10:12 AM
Thats a good idea never thought of that. a lil 2 much effort involved 4 set up haha
another idea i have is to put on wrist weights(must be very light though)
ankle weights and a weighted vest and throw punches in the water
not sure if the weights will help a great deal in stopping the floeting effect which interferes with the whole body technique as i don't know of anyone who has ever tried it
also you can do a much higher volume of punches without having to retrieve an implement
probably a good idea to wear footwear too
lucky i have a pool in the garden:D
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 10:20 AM
I have an idea that is less trouble setting up. Attach a 16 ounce weight to each hand, and then throw those weights at a not too hard surface, like a leather bag filled with cloth for example.
:think
i guess the weight would depend on the size of the boxer
i would still use a weighted vest though
i guess the weight would depend on the size of the boxer
i would still use a weighted vest though
Yeah, a smaller boxer could wear 12 ounce gloves, I mean weights ;)
The Russians found that 70% of punching power came from core and leg strength.
What percentage of the muscles in the human body is located in the core and legs? :think
Core and legs... that's basically everything from the pecs down.
ralphc
01-29-2009, 11:59 AM
Bingo:good
The Russians found that 70% of punching power came from core and leg strength. Will look for that study and repost.
I don't know what the Russians found if anything, but old fashioned boxing training will produce excellent "core and leg strength."
Aplin
01-29-2009, 12:41 PM
One thing though, have you noticed how it is your arms and shoulders that get tired during a fight? i.e. why it is important to build up punching power / endurence through press ups, punching the bag, etc...
20 Ounce
01-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Mate, your legs get just as tired if not more so.... well for me anyway.
ralphc
01-29-2009, 03:44 PM
you are correct that not everyone can be huge punchers but whats wrong with increasing power to an extent?
what you don't probably know is strength can be acquired WITHOUT ADDING WEIGHT with or without iron
i do heavy squats for my legs and the result is i have far more spring, quicker on my feet and hit harder
what can be wrong with that?
also did you know weight training increases tendon strength and bone density and protects against injuries? (you said it yourself but why limit it to fingers and hands?)
I didn't study physiology nor am I an Olympic coach. What I know about training has come down from the traditions of boxing. Admittedly there is no objective proof that doing pushups on the fingers and knuckles strengthens the bones. But then there is no proof that weightlifting can turn a feather fist into a puncher. Unlike many other sports, there hasn't been much scientific research into boxing. All of this techno-crud we see posted in this forum is really just guesswork and speculation. Over the past 100 years traditional boxing training has been proven to be effective. The fact that few boxers actually do it anymore doesn't change a thing.
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 09:12 PM
I didn't study physiology nor am I an Olympic coach. What I know about training has come down from the traditions of boxing. Admittedly there is no objective proof that doing pushups on the fingers and knuckles strengthens the bones. But then there is no proof that weightlifting can turn a feather fist into a puncher. Unlike many other sports, there hasn't been much scientific research into boxing. All of this techno-crud we see posted in this forum is really just guesswork and speculation. Over the past 100 years traditional boxing training has been proven to be effective. The fact that few boxers actually do it anymore doesn't change a thing.
all i know is i have improved my speed/power by training my legs and core with weights and there is no reason why i should be an exception
simply skipping and running and bodyweight excercises have proved to be inadequate in my case and that is defenitely not guesswork
cockneyhardman
01-29-2009, 09:20 PM
One thing though, have you noticed how it is your arms and shoulders that get tired during a fight? i.e. why it is important to build up punching power / endurence through press ups, punching the bag, etc...
i wouldn't use push ups for endurance
notice how it's the pecs that fatigue in push ups? and the the triceps? these muscles do not really fatigue when boxing
the deltoids do fatigue but you can remedy that just doing standard bagwork,skipping, and dumbell punching
Scorpion
01-29-2009, 09:49 PM
I don't know what the Russians found if anything, but old fashioned boxing training will produce excellent "core and leg strength."
Yeah..... which is why the Russians, Cubans and like most of the other former soviet( Kazakh, Ukrainian etc) have been whooping ass in the Olympics?
Scorpion
01-29-2009, 09:51 PM
After finding the source, I realized I had initially read it in a book I have called Power by the Squat Doctor himself. Here is a piece and the link to the full page:thumbsup I was also wrong about the percentage:oops:(70)
There have been some very interesting soviet studies on what makes a technically sound punch. The soviets looked at 120 boxers ranging from amateurs to experienced professionals. This study found that among the highest level boxers, the highest percent of their power (38.46%) came from the push-off of their back leg, whereas the arm extension and trunk rotation accounted for 24.12% and 37.42% respectively. Even more interesting was that the high level boxers were more ‘well rounded' with their power development compared to the less experienced boxers (arm extension 37.99%, trunk rotation 45.50% and leg extension 16.51%). This shows that with an increase in boxing skill and experience, boxers improve coordination between arm, leg and trunk movements.
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I never understood the push off the back leg thing?
Is it flexing the back foot when punching or something else?
Yeah..... which is why the Russians, Cubans and like most of the other former soviet( Kazakh, Ukrainian etc) have been whooping ass in the Olympics?
The Cubans are more old school than anyone, they can't even afford weights ;)
Besides I think what makes people win at the Olympics is skill.
I never understood the push off the back leg thing?
Is it flexing the back foot when punching or something else?
It's the start of a weight shift from one foot to the other.
Scorpion
01-29-2009, 10:00 PM
The Cubans are more old school than anyone, they can't even afford weights ;)
Besides I think what makes people win at the Olympics is skill.
Yeah but the Cubans learned most things from soviet coaches.....
but skill is the most important thing.... besides talent.
rodney
01-29-2009, 10:36 PM
You can do all the squats, pushups, chinups etc., and still not break an egg.
Technique with a good trainer helps.
Real punchers are born with the ability to punch hard.
They are naturally heavy handed.
A good trainer can refine and develope punching power for those individuals.
Sure --- anyone can improve their punching power with exercise and training, but the real punchers are born with that ability.
cockneyhardman
01-30-2009, 06:38 AM
You can do all the squats, pushups, chinups etc., and still not break an egg.
Technique with a good trainer helps.
Real punchers are born with the ability to punch hard.
They are naturally heavy handed.
A good trainer can refine and develope punching power for those individuals.
Sure --- anyone can improve their punching power with exercise and training, but the real punchers are born with that ability.
yes thats right also some boxers can throw certain punches with power but not other punches
my straight punches are devastating but my hooks are weaker than my jabs
cockneyhardman
01-30-2009, 06:44 AM
I never understood the push off the back leg thing?
Is it flexing the back foot when punching or something else?
you can't do it properly if your legs are too straight
they have to be bent a certain degree
just basically putting pressure ion the ground with the back foot and straightening the leg(not completely) when punching
with a powerful straight right the back foot should be turned inwards slightly (45 degrees) before pushing off and punching
sometimes it is just a pivot of the back leg for lighter quick straight rights
cockneyhardman
02-01-2009, 12:20 PM
I never understood the push off the back leg thing?
Is it flexing the back foot when punching or something else?
i have a good idea for you that might help
stand in a boxing stance facing a wall, and push one hand against the wall as hard as you can, try to push your hand through the wall
is your rear foot puishing against the ground?
also a more subconcious type of excercise (and more specific)
do squats with a barbell and jump squats, especially one leg jump squats
do this for a period of time and you program your brain and nervous system to use a leg extension when you throw punches
i did not use my legs properly until i did squats for a while, the movements were subconciously embedded in my brain
boxbible
02-04-2009, 06:45 PM
I didn't study physiology nor am I an Olympic coach. What I know about training has come down from the traditions of boxing. Admittedly there is no objective proof that doing pushups on the fingers and knuckles strengthens the bones. But then there is no proof that weightlifting can turn a feather fist into a puncher. Unlike many other sports, there hasn't been much scientific research into boxing. All of this techno-crud we see posted in this forum is really just guesswork and speculation. Over the past 100 years traditional boxing training has been proven to be effective. The fact that few boxers actually do it anymore doesn't change a thing.
If all this scientific techno-crud has improved athletes in every other sport, why hasn't it in boxing?
Or is it that perhaps the improvements are not apparent when someone simply fights another without being able to measure improvements like speed, punch impact and so forth like you can with sprinting, swimming, cycling, weightlifting, or definitely see the differences in sports like gymnastics, basketball, football, etc...
Just as an aside... how would you compare the skill level of todays boxers with those from the '40s and '50s?
If all this scientific techno-crud has improved athletes in every other sport, why hasn't it in boxing?
Or is it that perhaps the improvements are not apparent when someone simply fights another without being able to measure improvements like speed, punch impact and so forth like you can with sprinting, swimming, cycling, weightlifting, or definitely see the differences in sports like gymnastics, basketball, football, etc...
IMO (rant ahead)...
Because the science is incomplete. What you say is right, improvements are not as apparent in boxing as in sprinting for example. That's because analyzing boxing is much more complex than sprinting. Just take a look at the general and classic forums they all disagree on any possible topic, even the knowledgeable posters. People say for example that boxing is 70 percent anaerobic, but how the hell would you measure that? Who would you use as the standard, there are 1001 different styles to name just one difficulty in establishing that "fact". There are people who claim to know the science behind it but I think their arrogance is unjustified. Just like the people who claim to understand how the climate works for example, they're in way over their heads. I think it's just too complex, and that's why I just let nature do its work.
WanderinPugilst
02-05-2009, 02:40 PM
I didn't study physiology nor am I an Olympic coach. What I know about training has come down from the traditions of boxing. Admittedly there is no objective proof that doing pushups on the fingers and knuckles strengthens the bones. But then there is no proof that weightlifting can turn a feather fist into a puncher. Unlike many other sports, there hasn't been much scientific research into boxing. All of this techno-crud we see posted in this forum is really just guesswork and speculation. Over the past 100 years traditional boxing training has been proven to be effective. The fact that few boxers actually do it anymore doesn't change a thing.
I remember when I was physical therapy (for what injury I can't remember), but when I told the therapist that I was a boxer, he recommended that I strengthen my core muscles, because that was where punching power came from. While I didn't ask him "why" exactly, I'm sure he had enough scientific and objective proof to justify mentioning it to me.
ralphc
02-05-2009, 03:09 PM
I remember when I was physical therapy (for what injury I can't remember), but when I told the therapist that I was a boxer, he recommended that I strengthen my core muscles, because that was where punching power came from. While I didn't ask him "why" exactly, I'm sure he had enough scientific and objective proof to justify mentioning it to me.
The "core" will become strong enough if you do old fashioned boxing training. In any case I haven't seen any proof that artificially strengthening any particular muscles creates more punching power. It is much more import to learn proper punching technique and then learning how to apply it in the real world of boxing. Any weightlifter can hit a stationary target. It takes a boxer to knock it down when it is moving.
WanderinPugilst
02-05-2009, 03:41 PM
The "core" will become strong enough if you do old fashioned boxing training. In any case I haven't seen any proof that artificially strengthening any particular muscles creates more punching power. It is much more import to learn proper punching technique and then learning how to apply it in the real world of boxing. Any weightlifter can hit a stationary target. It takes a boxer to knock it down when it is moving.
Dude, I was trying to support your argument about punching power coming from the core. LOL.
I never said you just have to do core exercises and suddenly you can knock out a cow. You obviously need to learn the techniques first, but core strengthening exercises do enhance them.
cockneyhardman
02-05-2009, 11:47 PM
The "core" will become strong enough if you do old fashioned boxing training. In any case I haven't seen any proof that artificially strengthening any particular muscles creates more punching power. It is much more import to learn proper punching technique and then learning how to apply it in the real world of boxing. Any weightlifter can hit a stationary target. It takes a boxer to knock it down when it is moving.
thats obvious to any serious boxer anyway that practicing boxing is the number one factor
we are talking about enhancements here things that are not so obvious
how do you strengthen your legs the old fashioned way?
boxbible
02-06-2009, 01:31 AM
The old martial artists used to do stuff like carry loads of sand on their back up a serious flight of temple stairs as part of their training.
Just plain running up stairs can improve strength and stamina in the legs, but only to a certain extent. Once the legs get used to it, there's no more improvement. Unless you carry some extra weight to increase the load and coax even more stength and endurance into those legs.
But all this is the same as doing squats. And you get to keep increasing the weight so you keep getting stronger and you keep increasing endurance. And you can do different types of squats, like dead lifts, smith machine, lunges, etc... to keep teasing those muscles to produce more power...
Modern weight trainig is simply a more efficient way of doing those old time core excercises.
ralphc
02-06-2009, 03:37 AM
The old martial artists used to do stuff like carry loads of sand on their back up a serious flight of temple stairs as part of their training.
Just plain running up stairs can improve strength and stamina in the legs, but only to a certain extent. Once the legs get used to it, there's no more improvement. Unless you carry some extra weight to increase the load and coax even more stength and endurance into those legs.
But all this is the same as doing squats. And you get to keep increasing the weight so you keep getting stronger and you keep increasing endurance. And you can do different types of squats, like dead lifts, smith machine, lunges, etc... to keep teasing those muscles to produce more power...
Modern weight trainig is simply a more efficient way of doing those old time core excercises.
When you do road work the the muscles at the back of your legs tends to become stronger than those at the front. One way to create balance is to practise what we once called "squat jumps." Squat all the way down and jump as high as you can. Usually guys would hold a medicine ball tight into their chests. Do it as many times as you can for a full three minute round. If possible keep track of how high you jump and how many. The number of rounds you need to do will vary depending on your fitness program. Admittedly this may not be the most efficient way of strengthening the muscles, but like all boxing related exercises it accomplishes various goals at one time. Boxers don't need a lot of strength. They need to apply their strength consistently over a period of 36 minutes.
cockneyhardman
02-06-2009, 04:41 AM
When you do road work the the muscles at the back of your legs tends to become stronger than those at the front. One way to create balance is to practise what we once called "squat jumps." Squat all the way down and jump as high as you can. Usually guys would hold a medicine ball tight into their chests. Do it as many times as you can for a full three minute round. If possible keep track of how high you jump and how many. The number of rounds you need to do will vary depending on your fitness program. Admittedly this may not be the most efficient way of strengthening the muscles, but like all boxing related exercises it accomplishes various goals at one time. Boxers don't need a lot of strength. They need to apply their strength consistently over a period of 36 minutes.
boxers don't need a lot of strength in they're arms,chest or upper back but they do in they're legs and core i believe
when i did heavy squats i could jump higher and step quicker
the logic behind this is simple - your legs have to move your bodyweight
strengthening the arms a lot does not have this same transfering of speed/power because your arms are not moving any mass apart from the gloves
weighted jump squats as you mentioned are also good, and one legged jump squats even better (when stepping and punching you extend one leg)
it's best though to do power squat jumps first with long rests between reps and sets, then AFTERWARDS do power-endurance ones (as u mentioned above) to get the endurance benefits
combine the heavy squats with these power and power-endurance jump squats and you have a real good training program for the legs
markedwardscott
02-06-2009, 10:42 PM
The old timers thought it hurt because it created stiffness, i.e. you had to be loose to get maximum power. However I think the increase in muscle power outweighs the effect of the stiffness.
MagnificentMatt
02-06-2009, 11:15 PM
I do plyos and boxing, not because I think weights are bad, I just never fancied them, and dont have easy access to them.
A heavybag is the best thing for punching power IMO..
boxbible
02-07-2009, 02:04 AM
The old timers thought it hurt because it created stiffness, i.e. you had to be loose to get maximum power. However I think the increase in muscle power outweighs the effect of the stiffness.
What they omitted was stretching excercises to stay loose and limber. Also, there are weight excercises where one end of the movement is in a fully stretched position with the weight helping to increase flexibility by increasing range of motion. For instance, dumb bell presses, seated incline dumb bell curls, or stiff-legged deadlifts on a box.
Loose muscles are also absolutely helpful in producing more power because one of the chief elements of powerful muscular contractions is how much the muscles and tendons can pre-stretch before contracting.
Scott Bolinger
02-07-2009, 11:07 AM
to have good punching power , just have a full body training program. Don't just focus on one exersize. If you do that, your'll turn out looking like a feak. A plyometric exersize with the medicine ball have been provin to be very benificial in develping good punching power. Because your are pushing a weight at a fast pace, so your building power and speed at the same time. Wich makse the big difference in plymetrics and weight lifting were your at a slow controled pace. You'll still add power lifting weights, but a prefered exersize would be a plyometric exersize.
boxbible
02-08-2009, 06:35 PM
You'll still add power lifting weights, but a prefered exersize would be a plyometric exersize.
You are correct about plyos being very beneficial... but only up to the potential of your muscular strength.
Once plyos have reached their limit, their is no more improvement. The only way to coax more power from plyos, then, would be to add muscualr strength.
Both are ultimately important.
cockneyhardman
02-08-2009, 11:34 PM
to have good punching power , just have a full body training program. Don't just focus on one exersize. If you do that, your'll turn out looking like a feak. A plyometric exersize with the medicine ball have been provin to be very benificial in develping good punching power. Because your are pushing a weight at a fast pace, so your building power and speed at the same time. Wich makse the big difference in plymetrics and weight lifting were your at a slow controled pace. You'll still add power lifting weights, but a prefered exersize would be a plyometric exersize.
yes plyos are good but should be performed when a certain amount of strength is acquired not just muscular strength but connective tissue to prevent injuries which come very easily with plyo type training especially with the legs (soccer players have extremely high rates of leg injuries especially ones that never weight train)
also power training that does not involve pre stretch is needed too, a lot of punches and movements in boxing involve accelerating from a static state
they are different motor abilities and they both need training
slantone
02-09-2009, 08:34 PM
push ups a great exercise- regardless- in any sport- probably the most common exercise- used by all athletes- from any age.
its weights that are always set appropriate to your body!
boxbible
02-09-2009, 09:08 PM
... also power training that does not involve pre stretch is needed too, a lot of punches and movements in boxing involve accelerating from a static state
they are different motor abilities and they both need training
I don't know about "from a static state"...
Tests of pre-stretch in different athletes produced different types of curves, length of curves, duration of curves, and sharpness of direction change in going from eccentric (lengthening or pte-stretch) to concentric (shortening) contractions of the muscles.
While power lifters were able to perform the heaviest loads, the curves were very check shaped, meaning the pre-stretch was very small, almost static, to huge, but very slow contractions.
Shot-putters had very pronounced pre-stretches and very good contractions. Also, the change of going from pre-stretch to contracting was fast.
Boxers, however, had very slight pre-stretches, but more than powerr lifters, but much faster. Also, the contractions were nowhere near as great as power lifters or shot putters, but the rate of contractions was very fast. But the most pronounced difference was in the speed with which the muscles went from pre-stretch to contrtactions. Boxers were amongst the fastest to be able to switch from eccentric to concentric contractions.
Meaning, the faster you can load, or dip one leg and punch back off of it, the more power you can generate in a punch. It's not so important to put force into the leg to throw the punch, but just be able to load it with a quick dip and immediately punch off of it.
It's just like any basketball player dipping down before taking a jump, except in boxing, it's very fast and subtle. You can't give the movement away. Otherwise, we'd all be loading up like shot putters to generate tremendous amounts of force, but never land anything.
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