Who tested Marciano's chin?

[Russell]

There's no doubt that he could take a hell of a punch... But I'm curious... What are the fights that cement him having an ATG, granite chin?

Basically, where he soaked up ungodly amounts of abuse for prolonged peroids of time.

I know about the split nose, and the two knockdowns from precise punches thrown early that he rose from immediantly...

But what else is there? What clean, hard shots did he took in stride over the course of his career?

[heerko koois]

who didn,t ?

[Russell]

How delightfully insightful!

I'm looking for examples.

As in, who caught the man flush with hard, hard shots.

A story would be nice... Some elaboration.

[Russell]

The withered old lightheavyweights and the 85% bodyfat british champ.

Jersey Joe was basically Bernard Hopkins like in his ability to get better with age, so it's really not fair to hold that against Marciano.

[Bill1234]

Rex Layne was a hard hitting guy. He clocked Marciano with some great shots right on the button. Carmine Vingo who was 6'4 and could hit nailed Marciano with some shots.

[Bill1234]

since when did Marciano have an atg granite chin???


Where have you been? He's been known to have that since he was the champion.

[FlatNose]

How about the All Time Knockout King of them all, Archie Moore? No one in history ever scored more knockouts than Arch, I guess about 120 something.Moore had 80 or so coming into the Marciano fight, and scored over 40 more after.If thats not a chin check, what is?

[Duodenum]

since when did Marciano have an atg granite chin???He stated in interviews that he never saw stars, never got knocked dizzy, always knew exactly where he was and what was happening. His recall of his filmed performances was reportedly consistent with what the footage revealed before he had a chance to view it.

Tiger Ted Lowry went ten rounds with Archie Moore, and 20 rounds with Marciano. He said that Moore was the hardest puncher he ever got hit by. Well, the all-time leader in number of knockout wins dropped Rocky with what may have been the hardest punch ever landed in a Marciano fight, and it amounted to little more than a flash touchdown. He also survived a tremendous first round attack against a champion who won the title with one of the greatest single strikes in heavyweight history. Ezzard Charles was no pitty-pat puncher either. Rocky was never close to being knocked on his back, and he very rarely took a backwards step. He was as tough as anybody in boxing history.

[heerko koois]

:good He stated in interviews that he never saw stars, never got knocked dizzy, always knew exactly where he was and what was happening. His recall of his filmed performances was reportedly consistent with what the footage revealed before he had a chance to view it.

Tiger Ted Lowry went ten rounds with Archie Moore, and 20 rounds with Marciano. He said that Moore was the hardest puncher he ever got hit by. Well, the all-time leader in number of knockout wins dropped Rocky with what may have been the hardest punch ever landed in a Marciano fight, and it amounted to little more than a flash touchdown. He also survived a tremendous first round attack against a champion who won the title with one of the greatest single strikes in heavyweight history. Ezzard Charles was no pitty-pat puncher either. He was never close to being knocked on his back, and he very rarely took a backwards step. He was as tough as anybody in boxing history.

great post..

[heerko koois]

:huh Imagine Michael Spinks dropping Mike Tyson early in their bout?

[Bill1234]

nonsense.


You need to get out more....

[Dempsey1238]

If any one lands right on the mark they could go down. I pretty sure had Spinks landed the right punch on Tyson, Tyson could have suffer a flash knockdown also. Of couse the Rock was on 1 foot, when the punch landed lol. So thats not relly fair.

I think Marciano prove his all time chin in the Walcott fight, Walcott battle Marciano time and time again in there historic fight. And even had Marciano hurt in round 11, but he shake it off and went forward.

[janitor]

Well against Walcott he got up seemingly unphased from the same punch that left Ezzard Charles not knowing which hand hit him.

It is not just a matter of who drops you but also a matter of who dose not drop you. Marciano was only really down against Walcott and Moore.

How many champions can you honestly say were never droped by lesser punchers than these?

[Dempsey1238]

Charles drop Marciano
?????

[janitor]

Wouldn't it be an odd sight?

I seem to remember Mike Tyson being knocked out by Evander Hollyfield who was a former cruiserweight and not exactly a puncher.

Was Hollyfield really a harder puncher than Walcott or Moore?

[janitor]

Charles drop Marciano
?????

Meant to say Moore. Sorry.

[ChrisPontius]

He was only down twice in his entire career and in neither of those knockdowns he was seriously hurt. The Moore knockdown was more of a flash, the Walcott knockdown he was a bit stunned but not out of the fight.

Those are the only two instances in his career, i think that says enough.

Almost every champion has been on the deck more often than that. In addition to this, i can't remember seeing him staggering or being stunned by a punch other than those knockdowns. Again, this is a pretty rare feature for a heavyweight champion.

[Mendoza]

He was only down twice in his entire career and in neither of those knockdowns he was seriously hurt. The Moore knockdown was more of a flash, the Walcott knockdown he was a bit stunned but not out of the fight.

Those are the only two instances in his career, i think that says enough.

Almost every champion has been on the deck more often than that. In addition to this, i can't remember seeing him staggering or being stunned by a punch other than those knockdowns. Again, this is a pretty rare feature for a heavyweight champion.

The fighter who tested Marciano’s mettle the most was Walcott. Rocky called his first fight with Walcott his toughest fight at the press conference when he annoucned his retirement. While everyone remembers Walcott scoring a knock down in round one, Walcott in fact had Marciano hurt and holding on in the 11th round. Either Walcott or Moore was the best hitters Marciano faced. I think he proved he as durable enough to take some hard shots from Walcott and Moore, but the conversation gets dicey as we move up to bigger and stronger hitters.

[Bill1234]

what silly people Marciano worshippers are.

GET REAL.


You call us Marciano worshipers just because we say Marciano had a granite chin. We are speaking the truth. You are just as bad as the bunch of retards over in the General section.

[Russell]

Nevers a pretty subjective word there, maurice.

[Bummy Davis]

Walcott was a hard puncher and a pinpoint puncher, he could box all night but when he loaded up, he had excellent power, he was no Michael Spinks, he was a solid Heavy, who dropped Joe Louis 3 times with sneaky punches, and KO'd Charles with a sneaky hook(one of the most vicious KO's I have ever seen) Layne was called by Nat Fliecher as the next Dempsey(Rocky was the underdog)but Rocky ruined him.Charles was a guy who traded with Bob Satterfield and KO'd him in 2(Satterfield KO'd in3 BIG CAT WILLIAMS 5 years before Liston and 12 years before Ali) Charles also Killed Sam Barodi in the ring, Carmine Vingo was a puncher and Big guy(look on utube vs Marciano short Clip)as far as Archie Moore,Archie KO'd Bob Baker #1 Heavy contender and beat6"3 Nino Valdez 2 times for eliminater and if you want to see if Archie could punch, watch the fight vs Muhamad Ali 7 years and 2 months after the Marciano fight, Archie hit Ali with a few hooks and right hands and Ali respected his power.Ali got hit a lot by Archie and he was over 7 years older than when he fought Rocky

[mcvey]

I seem to remember Mike Tyson being knocked out by Evander Hollyfield who was a former cruiserweight and not exactly a puncher.

Was Hollyfield really a harder puncher than Walcott or Moore?
I think your desire at the time has something to do with it,Tyson was hit by Ruddock a seriously bigger ouncher thanHolyfield ,and never looked like going down,the mental side of things has to be considered.

[Ted Stickles]

Lets see Walcott,Moore,Vingo,Layne,and that other guy whats his name Joe Louis..........He was a boxer and all boxers get hit so to go 49 fights and never be dazed or stopped says to me that he had the chin and i would say that it was tested more than once

[CASH_718]

Marciano= overrated

[Muchmoore]

Marciano= overrated

49-0.

[Russell]

49-0.

Numbers make or break fighters, folks. :D

[fists of fury]

This is what Joe DeAngelis (an amatuer opponent of Rocky's) has to say about his toughness:

"When we received instructions in the middle of the ring, I got a chance to size Rocky up real close. He was the most solid, hard, muscular man I had ever seen, yet his hands were like lightning. When the bell rang, he charged at me, his head lowered like a bull, swinging those looping right and left hands, boring in all the time. I weighed 195 - he was a bit heavier - but I soon realized I was the better boxer. I held him off with lefts, saw a good opening for a right, and belted him square on the jaw as hard as I've ever hit anyone. He didn't even shake his head! Later in the round I got him with a few more good shots which he ignored. I've knocked out a lot of men in my day, but never hit anyone so hard and so often as Rocky, but with no result. I was afraid I would break my hand! Rocky kept coming and swinging with everything he had: I kept moving and trying to time his rush, let go a few punches and then move again..."

[CASH_718]

49-0.Yory Boy Campas 56-0..........so?

[fists of fury]

The record is not important. What matters is that Rocky was a great fighter.

[NickHudson]

Sitiyzal, are you the guy that put together my favorite video on all of Youtube - the collection of HW Punchers set against that music from "Requiem for a Dream"

If so:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy

since when did Marciano have an atg granite chin???

[C. M. Clay II]

Yes, sitiyzal you're a legend on YouTube.:good

[Stonehands89]

Marciano's chin was tested more than other more technically sound fighters because Marciano ate more shots flush. He was not a defensive wizard, he was not adept at rolling with shots. He was offensively minded and while Goldman brought him to get low and weave and move his head, he was not hard to find. He was also coming forward and wading into shots.

[Marciano Frazier]

Imagine Michael Spinks dropping Mike Tyson early in their bout? Was Michael Spinks the all-time knockout king who some of their common opponents opponents said hit harder than Tyson himself?

[Lex]

Many boxers who've been stunned won't admit to it. Or, because they were stunned, they don't remember it. Rocky had his bells rung and saw stars at least once, count on it. He was human.

Other fighters tend to be self deprecating and exaggerate, claiming they were hurt worse than they really were.

I can relate to that Joe DeAngelis story. As an amateur I had a hard punch but I ran into a couple of guys who simply refused to acknowledge that I could KO 'em. No respect at all for how hard I was hitting. :bbb

[DamonD]

ChrisPontius has it for me...only down twice, both of those very briefly, without any lingering after-effects, and taking many many punches otherwise without even stumbling.

The hypotheticals about how he'd do against a puncher like a Foreman or Tyson have to remina just that, hypotheticals. In terms of what Marciano was able to do at the time, he clearly had some real rock in that chin and I judge him on that.

Now, TKOing Marciano due to facial damage...that could be possible.
Knocking him out cold, I severely doubt anyone does that.

[hobgoblin]

NO ONE gave Marciano a test for power of high amplitude as a punch from George Foreman would provide.

[hopkinsfan07]

Marciano= overrated

wins over Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Jersey Joe Walcott ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Harry 'Kid' Matthews ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) make him a top 15 heavy weight

[SevenSamurai]

what silly people Marciano worshippers are.

GET REAL.

We have an uneducated Marciano hater here! There are lots of you here already, you should fit right in.:patsch

[Luigi1985]

Marciano= overrated



CASH_718= dumbass without boxing knowledge

[Bummy Davis]

ChrisPontius has it for me...only down twice, both of those very briefly, without any lingering after-effects, and taking many many punches otherwise without even stumbling.

The hypotheticals about how he'd do against a puncher like a Foreman or Tyson have to remina just that, hypotheticals. In terms of what Marciano was able to do at the time, he clearly had some real rock in that chin and I judge him on that.

Now, TKOing Marciano due to facial damage...that could be possible.
Knocking him out cold, I severely doubt anyone does that.


Getting hit by Foreman is not a good thing but Foreman getting hit by a puncher of Marciano's quality is not a good thing either,could Foreman take that punch?

[Bill1234]

He didn't want to find out if he could take Shavers punch, so would he be doubtful against Marciano too?

[Jersey Joe]

Marciano's chin was tested more than other more technically sound fighters because Marciano ate more shots flush. He was not a defensive wizard, he was not adept at rolling with shots. He was offensively minded and while Goldman brought him to get low and weave and move his head, he was not hard to find. He was also coming forward and wading into shots.
That's a good point that needs to be considered. Marciano was always there to be hit in his fights. Looking at his opposition he faced Louis (old but still a powerful puncher), Walcott (who decked Louis twice and did a spectacular one-punch KO over Charles), Charles (who killed a man in the ring), Moore. That's not just decent punchers, but world class fighters who had precision and timing as well. Against these and all others, Marciano was only really hurt once vs Walcott. Both his knockdowns were more a matter of being off-balance and getting hit hard, rather than any kind of weakness being shown in his chin. He got up fast both times and continued with no problem at all.

That's a pretty solid record. I mean who else had a clearly superior chin?

Louis - Knocked down loads of times and KOd a couple of times too.
Liston - KOd twice by Ali, hardly a big power puncher.
Ali - Great chin but he was knocked down by Henry Cooper, Frazier, Shavers
Holmes - another very good chin, but knocked down by Shavers and KOd by Tyson.
Tyson - knocked out several times
Lewis - 2 KOs vs fringe contenders

As we can see, Marciano has a very competitive record of resilience compared to other top heavyweight champions. The only quesiton mark is that he did not face really big power punchers like Foreman, Tyson, Shavers. That is enough to stop us saying he had the best ever chin, sure. But on his record he had a very solid chin indeed. There are very few boxers who have fought world class opposition and never been stopped. Marciano is one of them. As a naturally small man for the heavyweight division, that surely proves he had a great chin.

[Bummy Davis]

Marciano ducked and slipped better than most give him credir for, but he did get hit solid, clean shots, Vingo,Layne,Charles,Moore,Walcott and Walcott could whack with the hook which he landed flush on Rocky in the 1st, Marciano was stunned by the force but I never seen him wobble or stagger, even a younger cruder version was not floored, and he was matched up early to lose