Hatton and the p4p talk

[toffeejack]

Firstly this is NOT a slate Ricky Hatton post at all, I like him and really hope he wins come May 2nd but is everyone on here like me getting fed up with this p4p nonsense?

Do you think Ricky genuinely believes he will be p4p#1 if he wins or is he just saying all this to sell tickets? (not that it needs any more hype because it's a certain sell out)

[stonerose]

:patsch


If you're fed up of it why make the third thread today on this forum about it ?
Check out Betty's attempt at turning an entire interview on it's head to suit his own fucked up fascination.

["TKO"]

Firstly this is NOT a slate Ricky Hatton post at all, I like him and really hope he wins come May 2nd but is everyone on here like me getting fed up with this p4p nonsense?

Do you think Ricky genuinely believes he will be p4p#1 if he wins or is he just saying all this to sell tickets? (not that it needs any more hype because it's a certain sell out)

Neither exactly. I'm sure he knows the p4p title is not lineal, but by the same token he probably believes that if he beats the p4p #1 convincingly, having beaten two previous p4p fighters and with his only conqueror retired, he has a good claim. Does he? I think it would make him top 5 but not #1, as I base my p4p ratings on achievements against a variety of styles over a long period of time rather than one off wins. Even so, I don't think it's a hanging offence to get a bit over-excited about what is by any standards a massive fight!

[hit me HARDER]

If he beats Pac & PBF, he's not far off P4P #1. Maybe 1 or 2 fights away tops.

Yes, he's getting carried away, but so what, so would anyone.

[toffeejack]

:patsch


If you're fed up of it why make the third thread today on this forum about it ?
Check out Betty's attempt at turning an entire interview on it's head to suit his own fucked up fascination.

That is just a hate thread and I'm not replying on that because of it.

As I said this isn't a hate thread I'm just after opinions. If you aren't interested then don't reply. SImple.

[SteelTownCobra]

Whether he thinks it or not is irrelevant really as if he beats Pacquiao very few people will actually give him top spot.

But should he beat Pacquiao then he will have beaten P4P the world's best fighter which is no mean achievement in itself.

[stonerose]

That is just a hate thread and I'm not replying on that because of it.

As I said this isn't a hate thread I'm just after opinions. If you aren't interested then don't reply. SImple.



Wasn't having a go, was pointing out there is another thread in case you hadn't seen it .

[Scratch]

It ought not make a great deal of difference to either's p4p rating.

Pac isn't #1 because he saw off Diaz and the mortal remains of DLH.

[Wickio]

It seems to me he genuinely believes it with how he's going on about it. Not quite sure why he's bringing it up so much now though, he never really spoke about it in the build-up to his fight with Floyd did he?

[stonerose]

As far as i can see he's said it once or twice at the most. People are making out he's constantly banging on about it.
Hardly up there with " i wanted to push his nose bone up through his brain " is it ?

[toffeejack]

Wasn't having a go, was pointing out there is another thread in case you hadn't seen it .

No worries mate :good

[kosaros]

I like Hatton.

The worst thing though is how it is being flooded into the media that "Hatton challenging to become P4P number 1" and that everybody, even those who don't watch boxing, will believe this if Hatton wins.

[Wickio]

I can imagine the football style chants now. :(

[stonerose]

I like Hatton.

The worst thing though is how it is being flooded into the media that "Hatton challenging to become P4P number 1" and that everybody, even those who don't watch boxing, will believe this if Hatton wins.


Yeah i can understand that, but i'll be too happy celebrating a famous victory to be arsed about trivialities, which is pretty much whta it is. It doesn't really matetr that much does it?

["TKO"]

Yeah i can understand that, but i'll be too happy celebrating a famous victory to be arsed about trivialities, which is pretty much whta it is. It doesn't really matetr that much does it?

This :deal

[D-MAC]

The "small" article in the Daily Mirror today doesn't shut the fuck up about it:

"Ricky Hatton has revealed he thought he had blown his chance of becoming the worlds P-4-P king."

"Hatton will have a second crack at becoming the best fighter on the planet when he faces Manny Pacquiao in a £40 million showdown at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on 2nd May."

"But he banished those demons by knocking out Paulie Malignaggi impressively in his last fight and now claims it is his destiny to become the pound-for-pound king."

"Hatton, 30, claims he will have fulfilled his ambition of becoming the worlds P-4-P best if he beats Filipino Pacquiao in their LWW clash."





As I said this was a small article; it also contained the usual bullshit regarding a second fight with Mayweather.

[Cobbler]

In answer to the question posed, yes I do believe Hatton believe he would be P4P number one if he beats Pacquiao. I would be very suprised if he had anything other than a 'if you beat the man, you are the man' view of it.

As for everyone else, as I have pointed out previously in other threads, much of the 'analysis' of what would happen after a Hatton win is failing to take account of the hyperbole that is naturally generated after any 'big win'. That is a big error, as it is that hyperbole that is the main driver of these P4P ratings.

How many times have we seen someone launched up the pound for pound ratings (and when I refer to ratings here I am talking about consensus ratings and specifically using The Ring as the ratings that everyone looks at, not my own personal ratings where I attempt to avoid putting too much stock in hyperbole) on the basis of one fight. Margarito (laughably) went top six after beating Cotto. Taylor was as high as four after beating Hopkins. Tarver was as high as three after beating Jones. Pavlik went top six after beating Taylor. Hopkins (and this one I think has striking parallels for the Hatton/Pacquiao situation) went from ten to the number two spot and then onto number one after dispatching Trinidad, who had been ranked three previously.

There is ample precedent, then, for a fighter climbing a large number of places on the basis of one win. I can quite easily envisage a stoppage win for Hatton and the hyperbole that that would create resulting in him occupying the number one spot in a lot of pound for pound lists. Certainly no lower than number three.

He actually would have a very good claim anyway, in terms of who he's beaten and where they were ranked when he beat them. Hatton would have beaten three fighters ranked in the P4P top ten when he beat them - number one, number three and a number eight, and only have one loss to a P4P number one at a weight higher than his optimum. Of the other fighters currently ranked in the top ten only Hopkins has beaten more fighters in the P4P top ten at the time he beat them (Trinidad, De La Hoya, Wright, Pavlik), but also has more defeats. Pacquiao beat Marquez and Barrera when they were in the top ten. Marquez has only beaten Barrera, Calzaghe only Hopkins.

Purely in terms of who he has beaten, there's a pretty decent argument right there. It then comes down to what criteria you base the selection on, how much weight you put on each criteria, etc, etc.

[mike464]

I'd probably be 2 or 3 below Marquez and/or Hopkins if he manages to win. Remember he only lost one fight moving up against Mayweather who was the clear P4P number one at the time.