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ko factor
08-16-2007, 03:44 PM
I would say yes. Look at this videos, very brutal KOs.

Against Herol Graham: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Against Terry Norris: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

MrMagic
08-16-2007, 03:46 PM
Devastating puncher.
Yeah I would say he's the #1

MrSmall
08-16-2007, 03:47 PM
It's him or Tommy Hearns.
Probably Hearns, though.

Danny Ocean
08-16-2007, 03:51 PM
jackson vs mcllelan best fight ive ever seen

freddy-wak
08-16-2007, 03:53 PM
pretty weak chin though

rr94
08-16-2007, 03:54 PM
Barbados Joe Walcott makes Jackson's punching power look like a toddler. Ask any historian.

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rr94
08-16-2007, 03:56 PM
It's him or Tommy Hearns.
Probably Hearns, though.

what? nope. Not even top 10 all-time.

ko factor
08-16-2007, 03:57 PM
Barbados Joe Walcott makes Jackson's punching power look like a toddler. Ask any historian.

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rr94
08-16-2007, 03:57 PM
Devastating puncher.
Yeah I would say he's the #1

read your history gentlemen.

rr94
08-16-2007, 03:58 PM
:huh

the dude was a lightweight who knocked out heavyweights. He's considered by most historians as one of the greatest punches of all time. The man was a beast.

freddy-wak
08-16-2007, 03:58 PM
jackson vs mcllelan best fight ive ever seen

thanks for reminding me.....wow

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JMotrain
08-16-2007, 03:59 PM
The hawk had awesome power, but no way in hell is it #1 P4P.

pipe wrenched
08-16-2007, 04:03 PM
Jackson's ko of Norris is identical to the sleep job Pavlik put on Zertuche. It was identical.

P.S. Not implying Pavlik is p4p though.

lefthook31
08-16-2007, 04:03 PM
Michael Moorer at LH all knockouts

rr94
08-16-2007, 04:07 PM
Jackson had some great KO's but he's not P4P the best puncher, not by a mile. The ring did a top-100 punchers of all-time a few years back and i promise, guarantee, he's not top-75 if he even made the list.

ko factor
08-16-2007, 04:08 PM
But can any KOs top the brutal KO that Jackson handed to Graham? Damn! just like the announcer said he was out before he even hit the canvas.

CASH_718
08-16-2007, 04:09 PM
Jackson had some great KO's but he's not P4P the best puncher, not by a mile. The ring did a top-100 punchers of all-time a few years back and i promise, guarantee, he's not top-75 if he even made the list.He was 24 or 25 if I recall.

And that wasn't about pure power.

lefthook31
08-16-2007, 04:11 PM
thanks for reminding me.....wow

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yes awesome fight, and the rematch was even faster. Those fight cards were awesome back in the day, with Chavez Randall, Terry Norris Simon Brown and Azumah Nelson Jesse James Leija and the Jackson Mclellan fights. Had to give Don King props for putting those cards together.

Motor City Sam
08-16-2007, 04:16 PM
I would say yes. Look at this videos, very brutal KOs.

Against Herol Graham: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Against Terry Norris: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

I got a headache just watching the Graham clip.

brooklyn1550
08-16-2007, 04:27 PM
The hawk had awesome power, but no way in hell is it #1 P4P.

Why not? You act as if there is no way he is number 1

Shareef
08-16-2007, 04:36 PM
Barbados Joe Walcott makes Jackson's punching power look like a toddler. Ask any historian.

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Nobody makes Jackson's punching power look like a toddler your post is hardcore bias with oldschool nostalgia. If Barbados Joe Walcott does in fact make his punching power look like shit prove. By posting fight footage of him showing off his one punch ko power if you can't then you can't talk. I highly doubt any quality footage of the man exists he was welterweight champ from 1901-1904. All the footage of his era doe not i repeat i can't find any footage i have seen that old which indicates that those guys were harder punchers. Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis are the oldest guys i recall who have there ferocious punching power display on film.

Shareef
08-16-2007, 04:38 PM
Jackson is #1 hardest p4p puncher in my opinion as well. He hit harder than hearns p4p. Jackson may not be the greatest puncher but he was the hardest. What i mean by greatest is there might have been guys with better technique to go along with there power threw sharper more precise combinations but when it came to pure one punch ko power Jackson was the man.

Also you guys should see his ko of Buster Drayton one left hook and jackson points down as he slowly falls. He did a similar thing when he was past his prime and looked shot against Cardamone when he turned the tide with one punch ko with a right hook and point as he fell.

Caper
08-16-2007, 04:53 PM
Jackson is #1 hardest p4p puncher in my opinion as well. He hit harder than hearns p4p. Jackson may not be the greatest puncher but he was the hardest. What i mean by greatest is there might have been guys with better technique to go along with there power threw sharper more precise combinations but when it came to pure one punch ko power Jackson was the man.

Also you guys should see his ko of Buster Drayton one left hook and jackson points down as he slowly falls. He did a similar thing when he was past his prime and looked shot against Cardamone when he turned the tide with one punch ko with a right hook and point as he fell.

Jackson mostly campaigned at 154lbs if I'm not mistaken and the only men I can recall that could rival his power at that weight are Hearns and maybe Tito......Nigel....Gerald......SRR.......I'm sure their are plenty more but I don't recall any fighter that I can saftely say had one punch KO power above the Hawk at that weight class.

kg0208
08-16-2007, 05:02 PM
Jackson had some great KO's but he's not P4P the best puncher, not by a mile. The ring did a top-100 punchers of all-time a few years back and i promise, guarantee, he's not top-75 if he even made the list.
Julian Jackson was #25 on that list. And that list wasn't about pure power, it took technique into account and accuracy. As for PURE POWER, Jackson is certainly up there. At 154, only Hearns is on that level IMO.

Fedor Em
08-16-2007, 05:05 PM
Possibly, but Arguello and Hearns are the BEST p4p punchers I think I have ever seen.

Shareef
08-16-2007, 05:06 PM
Jackson mostly campaigned at 154lbs if I'm not mistaken and the only men I can recall that could rival his power at that weight are Hearns and maybe Tito......Nigel....Gerald......SRR.......I'm sure their are plenty more but I don't recall any fighter that I can saftely say had one punch KO power above the Hawk at that weight class.

Nigel Benn and McClellan never fought at 154. I do believe in terms of pure power Jackson hit harder than Tito, SRR, and Hearns. However i would say that Hearns and SRR are greater punchers overall as they were more explosive, accurate and could throw blistering combinations. But in power i would say the Hawk was better. SRR one punch KO of steel chinned Gene Fullmer at middleweight is pretty convincing in his favour though but that was more due to his awesome timing and precision than raw power.

Caper
08-16-2007, 05:18 PM
Nigel Benn and McClellan never fought at 154. I do believe in terms of pure power Jackson hit harder than Tito, SRR, and Hearns. However i would say that Hearns and SRR are greater punchers overall as they were more explosive, accurate and could throw blistering combinations. But in power i would say the Hawk was better. SRR one punch KO of steel chinned Gene Fullmer at middleweight is pretty convincing in his favour though but that was more due to his awesome timing and precision than raw power.

Benn & Gerald didnt but I was just mentioning guys around the weight class, fighters who campaign at 47lbs tru 68lbs tend to somehow maintain their power & reflexs despite the 20lbs difference in weight.....its in or around the common mans weight and height (at least the commen athelte/boxer)

MrMagic
08-16-2007, 05:19 PM
Michael Moorer is a great puncher, Walcott is a great puncher, Foreman is great, Tommy Morrison is GREAT.
But really, I still think Julian Jackson is #1 p4p, all time.

fwhite
08-16-2007, 05:28 PM
p4p. Sam Langford. Before our time. But do your research and see for yourself. hands down.

Caper
08-16-2007, 05:32 PM
p4p. Sam Langford. Before our time. But do your research and see for yourself. hands down.

I read an article about him along with Mr. Fitz....both where known to crack some skulls, then again padding was practically non-existant and some fights lasted 20 even 100 rounds. Someones bound to hit the deck even if you slapped them hard enough around round 48.

Sam Langford surely had pop from what I read.

fwhite
08-16-2007, 05:37 PM
True. but he fought plenty of guys who were bigger, and also carried a lot of the fighters he fought. Besides, that many fights and rounds, I don't care what kind of gloves they had on. Hard to argue.

Strike
08-16-2007, 05:42 PM
Barbados Joe Walcott makes Jackson's punching power look like a toddler. Ask any historian.

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Great another wannabe historian. Tell me seeing as he made Jackson look so weak, which of Walcotts fights have you watched? Oh yeah...none. So erm...how many of his KOs are on video? Oh shit yeah...none.

So we have conjecture and reports based on fans and guys like you who think it makes you looked more learned to pick someone like Jeffries in your all time top ten heavys and someone like Walcott as the hardest ever puncher even though you have never watched one of his fights, and ignore the fact that they used MUCH smaller and lighter gloves then which maximises impact and the fact that from 100 victories this monstrous all time best hitter only stopped 58 of them.

In contrast from 55 wins, Jackson has 49 KO's.

So Walcott had a KO percentage of 58%
Jackson had a KO percentage of 89%

JMotrain
08-16-2007, 05:49 PM
Mike Tyson is a harder puncher than Jackson.

Bigcat
08-16-2007, 05:51 PM
jackson vs mcllelan best fight ive ever seen

i WAS 20.. I sat ringside for it, May 1993..

It was shocking to see how a killer like Julian was blasted by G man so easily.......

Lewis grabbed a win over TNT Tucker to become the first victorious British heavyweight world champ in 100 years to win championship fight inside the ring...

Nawfal
08-16-2007, 05:54 PM
i cant think of anyone harder punching than him

fwhite
08-16-2007, 05:58 PM
i cant think of anyone harder punching than him

Sam Langford.

Strike
08-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Mike Tyson is a harder puncher than Jackson.

P4P he was not at all. Tyson stopped most guys with barrages of hooks and uppercuts. He would stun someone and then rain in a torrent of accurate and very hard shots.
Jackson would be losing or have landed nothing and then tag someone with one shot and they would be out cold.

Amsterdam
08-16-2007, 06:02 PM
P4P he was not at all. Tyson stopped most guys with barrages of hooks and uppercuts. He would stun someone and then rain in a torrent of accurate and very hard shots.
Jackson would be losing or have landed nothing and then tag someone with one shot and they would be out cold.

Spot on. Jackson is without a doubt the hardest P4P hitter ever who was among the elite ranks of boxing. People don't realise that not all KO's are the same, some poster the other day was crediting Vitali Klitschko as a great puncher, when he was a proficient volume puncher(these types are more dangerous anyway).

If Jackson landed flush, most guys, even ones with proven good chins, were simply lit up, that's a testament to his punching power.

warchild
08-16-2007, 06:07 PM
Jackson was the only true one punch knockout artist who I've ever seen or heard of, so yes, I believe that he may have been the hardest puncher P4P all time.

Napoleon
08-16-2007, 06:09 PM
Tommy Hearns is being underrated here.

Alo2006
08-16-2007, 06:47 PM
what? nope. Not even top 10 all-time.


Exactly, no way they hit harder than people like, Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, and Liston :nono

MrMagic
08-16-2007, 06:52 PM
Exactly, no way they hit harder than people like, Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, and Liston :nono

P4P sense.. P4P sense.... Ofcourse you can make a case for these guys, but I don't think they hit harder P4P then the hawk.

brooklyn1550
08-16-2007, 06:56 PM
Exactly, no way they hit harder than people like, Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, and Liston :nono

P4P he did

Amsterdam
08-16-2007, 06:57 PM
Pound for pound.

Imagine the damage a guy with Jackson's power could do with 4 ounce MMA gloves.:yep

'Beebs' came up with a good idea, bringing back the old school boxing rule set in the ring, which allows exstensive standing wrestling and clinching and throws to do damage, with the MMA gloves.

I'd be interested to see pro boxers compete in this personally, you?

Alo2006
08-16-2007, 07:02 PM
Pound for pound.


Ok :D

Dantes
08-16-2007, 07:23 PM
i WAS 20.. I sat ringside for it, May 1993..

It was shocking to see how a killer like Julian was blasted by G man so easily.......

Lewis grabbed a win over TNT Tucker to become the first victorious British heavyweight world champ in 100 years to win championship fight inside the ring...

That would have been awesome!:good

sues2nd
08-16-2007, 07:36 PM
what? nope. Not even top 10 all-time.

:patsch

Carlos Primera
08-17-2007, 06:55 AM
Great another wannabe historian. Tell me seeing as he made Jackson look so weak, which of Walcotts fights have you watched? Oh yeah...none. So erm...how many of his KOs are on video? Oh shit yeah...none.

So we have conjecture and reports based on fans and guys like you who think it makes you looked more learned to pick someone like Jeffries in your all time top ten heavys and someone like Walcott as the hardest ever puncher even though you have never watched one of his fights, and ignore the fact that they used MUCH smaller and lighter gloves then which maximises impact and the fact that from 100 victories this monstrous all time best hitter only stopped 58 of them.

In contrast from 55 wins, Jackson has 49 KO's.

So Walcott had a KO percentage of 58%
Jackson had a KO percentage of 89%

:rofl :good
great post strike. cant believe i missed this thread. another of these old school is the best school, because i 'heard' this from so and so, because i 'read' this from this and that. what evidence do we have of walcotts power? it's based on conjecture and hearsay. until a video surfices of of this guy, i'm not buying it. samething goes for fools who pick dempsey, jeffries, jack johnson et al. over tyson. for the record julian jackson had the purest one punch KO power i've seen.

MJRJJ23
08-17-2007, 07:00 AM
No love for 168 Ib Jones Jr. :happy . BTW JJ is an animal

Illmatic
08-17-2007, 07:15 AM
What about Wifredo Gomez and Naseem Hamed....surely the two hardest hitting junior featherweights ever. I saw jr feather b/c thats the division Hamed shouldve been at if a title shot didnt arise at feather. His power was out of this world

MSTR
08-17-2007, 07:19 AM
Nobody makes Jackson's punching power look like a toddler your post is hardcore bias with oldschool nostalgia. If Barbados Joe Walcott does in fact make his punching power look like shit prove. By posting fight footage of him showing off his one punch ko power if you can't then you can't talk. I highly doubt any quality footage of the man exists he was welterweight champ from 1901-1904. All the footage of his era doe not i repeat i can't find any footage i have seen that old which indicates that those guys were harder punchers. Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis are the oldest guys i recall who have there ferocious punching power display on film.

Good Post.

doknochrisan
08-17-2007, 07:26 AM
Where is Iron mike?

red cobra
08-17-2007, 08:27 AM
It's a toss up between Julian Jackson and Bob Foster, but Danny Lopez can be added to the mix as well.

Sister Sledge
08-17-2007, 08:47 AM
As far as one punch ko power, Julian is the strongest puncher I have ever seen. I've never seen a fighter get as many clear ko's with so few punches. I'm surprised nobody said Shavers

red cobra
08-17-2007, 09:14 AM
Actually, the three that I mentioned, Foster, Jackson and Lopez are to me, even better 1 shot specialists than Shavers in that their punches are faster and crisper and almost as heavy as Shavers' punches.