Does Sultan have enough power to ko Holyfield?

[Irländsk]

Im not too sure unless he can produce a prolonged beating that results in a corner stoppage. I see this one as a UD-Ibragimov.

[Stinky gloves]

Im not too sure unless he can produce a prolonged beating that results in a corner stoppage. I see this one as a UD-Ibragimov.

Probably not, he may win by UD if he stay active the whole fight.

[unclepaulie]

gotta disagree about that

[BoxingGuru]

Jeremy Bates hurt Holyfield. James Toney hurt Holyfield :lol:

[brooklyn1550]

Through accumulative punishment

[Suge Green]

Who's the genius who is going to tell us that Holy was KO'd by a
"blown up MW...???" :roll:

[emanuel_augustus]

Ibragimov is a stinging hard puncher when he wants to attack. He busted up Lance Whitaker and made him quit.

I think Sultan will fight more aggresively this time out, as he won't be wary of Holy's one punch power like he was against Briggs and won't have to contend with a long jab ala' Austin.

Sultan will most probably swarm Holy and I could see a stoppage toward 8 or 9, if not that then an easy UD.

[Rollo]

No matter how shot he may be, Holyfield still has a huge heart. I don´t think that Sultan will put him to sleep, a TKO is more likely IMO. But I think it will be a UD in Sultans favour.

[Shotgun]

I doubt he'll drop him for 10, but I think he'll TKO him on accumulation

People thinking Holyfield's going to win this fight are living a dream, it's wishful thinking and nothing more. And that's not because Sultan is great. It's because Holyfield has lost decisively against the last 3 rated opponents he's fought. He was shut out and dominated by an old Larry Donald.

Now I can't wait for someone to bring up a faded and inactive Fres Oquendo who was nothing but a fringe contender with a shaky jaw at his best. But no, Ibragimov is on a lot higher level than anybody Holy's fought since Toney and will win in a one sided TKO

[sues2nd]

Ibragimov is a stinging hard puncher when he wants to attack. He busted up Lance Whitaker and made him quit.

I think Sultan will fight more aggresively this time out, as he won't be wary of Holy's one punch power like he was against Briggs and won't have to contend with a long jab ala' Austin.

Sultan will most probably swarm Holy and I could see a stoppage toward 8 or 9, if not that then an easy UD.

You didnt just compare Evander Holyfield to Briggs and Austin....did you???

Holyfield may not have better power than Briggs (obviously), but he is a hundred times more accurate and aggressive (plus his workrate in three rounds will top Briggs for a whole fight). He may not have the reach of Austin, but he has a ten times better jab and again is much, MUCH more accurate.

Sultan is a good boxer, but is getting ridiculously overrated as of late. Evander is going to win this one....and frankly I cannot wait!!!

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

I takes Ruiz-like power to put Holyfield down.
Evander is going the distance.

[Rollo]

[quote=Jennifer Love Hewitt]I takes Ruiz-like power to put Holyfield down.quote]

"Johnny Louise" and "power" shouldn´t be mentioned in the dame sentence!

[Heavyrighthand]

I think youse all have got it backwards.

Its a matter of if Holyfield has the power to KO Ibrag, or will Holy decision Ibrag by outboxing him for 12.

THOSE are the variables. Holy wins, but how he wins is the question.

Oh, Yeah! Its all ABOUT the Real Deal, this time.

[AJAX]

whatever.........I think your more punch drunk than Evander:!:

[Zakman]

Douibtful. Holyfield - even today's Holyfield - has an iron chin. And Sultan isn't exactly Earnie Shavers. Don't be surprised if Evander pulls the upset either - any guy who hit the canvas and gets a draw against Ray Austin just ain't that good.

[Heavyrighthand]

Douibtful. Holyfield - even today's Holyfield - has an iron chin. And Sultan isn't exactly Earnie Shavers. Don't be surprised if Evander pulls the upset either - any guy who hit the canvas and gets a draw against Ray Austin just ain't that good.:cool:

You know that after Holy wins this fight, he'll be on Jay Leno, Letterman, and other talk shows and morning news shows, seeing as how he has won a title at 44, and is already known from his previous boxing success, as well as being on Dancing with the Stars, as well. The mainstream public knows Holy pretty well already, and him winning a title at 44 will garner some mainsteam interest.

And that mainstream interest will help to further hype a unification fight with Klitschko. :good

[JC2006]

:cool:



...And that mainstream interest will help to further hype a unification fight with Klitschko. :good

Good god I hope not.

[AJAX]

that fight shouldn't be sanctioned......would be holyfields last

[dragosuhail]

nah the older you get, the more cracks appear in the chin or temples.

sultan has more power than toney and bates. he also has a far greater work rate than evanders recent opponents, has desire, and something people are overlooking, speed in combos.

i don't think evanders reaction times are there anymore. yes he did well against bums and 40 yearolds, but really once you start missing the openings, and falling a step behind at every turn verses a faster younger opponent, you'll need to rely on ko power to win.

evander doesn't have that power and he certainly wont land enough on sultan to wear him down.

seriously people are getting carried away. evander is 44 or 45! i think the age difference between the two fighters is like 14 years!

age and the experience it brings is usually only good against really green young fighters or those who have no clue boxing skill wise. sultan was a pretty good amatuer and certainly isn't green.

i think sultan will either win a comfortable UD or a late TKO when evander is still standing but seems confused and covers up and not returning fire as he ponders why he cannot pull the trigger anymore.

sultan doesn't have klitschko type power which is what is needed for a one punch icing. so UD or late TKO because he isn't firing back.

[flem1]

I think Sultan can stop him late or win by UD although I wouldn't be surprised if Evander upsets SI. He still has the skill to be competitive...

[Zakman]

:cool:

You know that after Holy wins this fight, he'll be on Jay Leno, Letterman, and other talk shows and morning news shows, seeing as how he has won a title at 44, and is already known from his previous boxing success, as well as being on Dancing with the Stars, as well. The mainstream public knows Holy pretty well already, and him winning a title at 44 will garner some mainsteam interest.

And that mainstream interest will help to further hype a unification fight with Klitschko. :good

You're absolutely right. A Holyfield victory would be HUGE for boxing, it would really put it back on the mainstream map.

The downside of course, is that if he gets his ass kicked royally, we'll have to listen to endless talking heads pontificate about "another black eye for boxing." :patsch

Basically, this is a big risk, big reward fight for the sport. Obvikously, I'm holping for the big reward!!!:good

[Grinder]

You didnt just compare Evander Holyfield to Briggs and Austin....did you???

Holyfield may not have better power than Briggs (obviously), but he is a hundred times more accurate and aggressive (plus his workrate in three rounds will top Briggs for a whole fight). He may not have the reach of Austin, but he has a ten times better jab and again is much, MUCH more accurate.

Sultan is a good boxer, but is getting ridiculously overrated as of late. Evander is going to win this one....and frankly I cannot wait!!!

I can not see Holyfield winning this one. He has been in too many wars and Sultan may just end his career. He has great heart, no question.

[maciek4]

Douibtful. Holyfield - even today's Holyfield - has an iron chin. And Sultan isn't exactly Earnie Shavers. Don't be surprised if Evander pulls the upset either - any guy who hit the canvas and gets a draw against Ray Austin just ain't that good.

So care to explain how James Toney managed to TKO a much younger Evander Holyfield? If Sultan starts off fast and busts up Holufield with combinations, he will tire him and score a TKO in the later rounds.

[albaneze]

Sultan gets this one without a doubt. Holy is old and should retire in a respectful way. I Just hope iggy will not KO Holy in the first rounds.

I will bet all my patrimony in sultans favor. He is a great fighter, i see him fighting very big fights, against chagaev and who knows maybe one day his left jab will kiss klitchkos softy chin.

Go Iggy.

[Farmboxer]

Sultan should stop Holyfield.

[RonnieHornschuh]

no, sultan has ok power but it's not enough to ko oldiefield. it would take something like the klitschkos to send him to retirement.

[albaneze]

holyfield wins..

i got a feeling, that the old and artificially improved evan fields will show up for this fight:hey

I am starting to suspect something over your feelings over here mate.
Is you feeling holyfield or something. hahah just kidding.

But Holy is done mate falls short against iggy.

[jhar26]

You're absolutely right. A Holyfield victory would be HUGE for boxing, it would really put it back on the mainstream map.

The downside of course, is that if he gets his ass kicked royally, we'll have to listen to endless talking heads pontificate about "another black eye for boxing." :patsch

Basically, this is a big risk, big reward fight for the sport. Obvikously, I'm holping for the big reward!!!:good
But the reward would be shortlived. If he wins he will either retire (which is very unlikely) or challenge Wlad. Nothing against Holyfield, but ain't it kinda sad that boxing has to depend on the efforts of a guy who's 15 years past his prime to put it back on the mainstream?

[albaneze]

Hope in this fight Iggy would not make Holyfield look like HOLY SHIT. no offenses ayy

[Odo]

Im not too sure unless he can produce a prolonged beating that results in a corner stoppage. I see this one as a UD-Ibragimov.

Well spoken! I quite agree with you.Sultan should win this fight quite easily winning a very wide point decision against that old American geezer who may still be able to be competitive against some of journeymen,but he for sure isnt a threat to any top fighter anymore.
Well,I am not sold on Sultan at all.I think that a lot of posters here,especially american ones,totally overrate him.
A pity that Sutlan vs Chagaev hasnt come off.Chagaev would probably have stopped Sultan.

[DamonD]

Question is whether Sultan will be pushing for a KO.
I mean, that could play into Holyfield's hands.

[mad_takamura]

it's bye bye and retirement plan for old evan :hi:

[El Bombasto]

Im not too sure unless he can produce a prolonged beating that results in a corner stoppage. I see this one as a UD-Ibragimov.

I agree, Ibragimove does not have the one punch power to KO Holyfield (who does?), but he could KO him with an accumulation of punches (especially to the body).

[1-Ton]

Win or lose, I think we can all agree that Holy at least has a shot here. I predict it will be an exciting fight, however long it lasts. The styles of the two guys should produce alot of action. I don't see Holy getting KO'd, maybe a late round stoppage due to sustained punishment, but no KO. I also recognize that he could do the same to Sultan. Ray Austin put Sultan on the canvas for crap's sake!

[lefthook31]

I doubt he'll drop him for 10, but I think he'll TKO him on accumulation

People thinking Holyfield's going to win this fight are living a dream, it's wishful thinking and nothing more. And that's not because Sultan is great. It's because Holyfield has lost decisively against the last 3 rated opponents he's fought. He was shut out and dominated by an old Larry Donald.

Now I can't wait for someone to bring up a faded and inactive Fres Oquendo who was nothing but a fringe contender with a shaky jaw at his best. But no, Ibragimov is on a lot higher level than anybody Holy's fought since Toney and will win in a one sided TKO

Holy is far from his best, but I think it was quite obvious in least in my opinion, when he was mismatched against guys like Toney and Donald, who are movers, he was going to struggle or lose. I actually thought Oquendo was a poor choice too, and he had a little trouble dealingwith his movement, but like you said Oquendo was just too inactive to sustain his gameplan,
In this fight, he has a guy that will be right in front of him, so Holyfield should have a real good shot of winning, if hes in the right condition to hang in there with the younger man, and Holyfield is doing the right thing staying in the gym and staying active.

[nrgetic]

Douibtful. Holyfield - even today's Holyfield - has an iron chin. And Sultan isn't exactly Earnie Shavers. Don't be surprised if Evander pulls the upset either - any guy who hit the canvas and gets a draw against Ray Austin just ain't that good.

Zakman - if you are saying someone has an iron chin that is good enough for me but I think that Holyfields low work rate is an invitation for Ibragimov to out punch Holyfield all night so I see a late stoppage

[Butch Coolidge]

My guess Holy will taste the canvas surprisingly early, get up, box well for a couple of rounds but be a heavy bag with a pulse around round six and the ref will wave it off without Holy taking a real ten count.

[oblate]

i think ibragimov has enough power but only if he can land a lot of punches.

[Butch Coolidge]

Holy struggled against Moorer and Byrd and both of them were southpaws like Ibragimov.

[samita]

dont wanna see holyfield win because that'll over shadow foreman's accomplishments (even though foreman was older, almost 46, and won the lineal HWC, not just a belt). i'm that much of a foreman nuthugger:yep

[Loufatski]

:cool:

You know that after Holy wins this fight, he'll be on Jay Leno, Letterman, and other talk shows and morning news shows, seeing as how he has won a title at 44, and is already known from his previous boxing success, as well as being on Dancing with the Stars, as well. The mainstream public knows Holy pretty well already, and him winning a title at 44 will garner some mainsteam interest.

And that mainstream interest will help to further hype a unification fight with Klitschko. :good

I like Holyman but I really don't think he's going to get past Sultan. The Russian is just too tough. Besides, Klitschko is too big and too strong for Evander. IMO, Golota would have a better chance.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Some of you people are dicounting Holyfield ability to land clean effective headbutts.
If one of those suckers lands on Sultan, Holyfield could rally and score a stoppage for the win!


I'm hoping for a Holyfield win. As much as I think he should hang up the gloves, a Holyfield comeback will do more for boxing than having a slew of faceless, interchangeable, fighters trading belts every few months.

[papaspank]

Holyfield headbutt complainers = small penis, aka pencil dick, needle dick, short stick, no dick, little dick, your a prick!

I'm sorry I can't resist picking on you dumbass'

[BoxingGuru]

Who's the genius who is going to tell us that Holy was KO'd by a
"blown up MW...???" :roll:

Holyfield was TKO'd by a blown up middleweight who took steroids.

[Suge Green]

Holyfield was TKO'd by a blown up middleweight who took steroids.

Since I am not a medical professional, I'm leaving the steroid thing alone...before Barry Bonds used roids to knock balls into the water, doctors prescribed steroids for medical purposes and continue to do so. I'll let the lawyers and doctors sort that out.

As far as your "blown up MW" position...

Toney beat up that one tough cruiser whose name slips my...Jirov.
He defeated HW Champ John Ruiz, something it took a giant to do...fought to a draw against former HW Champ Hasim Rahman (who incidentally was clubbing him with HW kidney punches the entire fight).
In addition, he also fought to a draw, and failed on the cards against future HW Champ Sam Peter...over the course of two fights, and 24 rounds.

...Toney hasn't fought at middle since 1992. It's been 15 years. James has had 81 pro fights (including the NC), and he only fought at MW for 46 months.
Interesting number... 46, the same number of times Toney has fought above the MW class.

James Toney's pro career:

4 years and 35 fights at MW.

15 years and 46 fights above middleweight.


...it's been official for quite a while guru, Lights Out is not a blown up middle...he's a fat heavyweight. Criticize him all you like, but calling him a blown up middle is incorrect. :smoke

Holy was TKO'd anyways...it's not like James put him to sleep.

[Amsterdam]

Hell of a post Suge.:good

Let's also add that the TKO was the corner throwing in the towel, but I guess to some bozo's, all KO's are the same.:yep

[Willy Bonka]

YES, S.I. has enough POWER to KO Holyfield, ...I doubt He will however, ...Holyfield still has a bit of POWER too, and He could KO Sultan( like what George Foreman did in His mid-40's, to Michael Moorer )!

[Butch Coolidge]

Doctors do not prescribe anabolic steroids to treat injuries. Those are, I believe, corticoid steroids or something like that, anti-inflammatories.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Holyfield headbutt complainers = small penis, aka pencil dick, needle dick, short stick, no dick, little dick, your a prick!

I'm sorry I can't resist picking on you dumbass'

The size of my imaginary penis doesn't really negate the fact that Holyfield likes to slam his cranium into his opponents'.

I also think it's very rude, and completely unnecessary to call people "dumbass".