Fighters $$$ from UFC 94

[Scotty321]

The official salaries for UFC 94 were:


Georges St. Pierre ($400,000 - includes $200,000 win bonus) def. B.J. Penn ($125,000)
Lyoto Machida ($120,000 - includes $60,000 win bonus) def. Thiago Silva ($29,000)
Jon Jones ($14,000 - includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Stephan Bonnar ($22,000)
Karo Parisyan ($80,000 - includes $40,000 win bonus) def. Dong Hyun Kim ($26,000)
Clay Guida ($40,000 - includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Nate Diaz ($20,000)
Jon Fitch ($68,000 - includes $34,000 win bonus) def. Akihiro Gono ($28,000)
Thiago Tavares ($26,000 - includes $13,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan ($14,000)
John Howard ($6,000 - includes $3,000 win bonus) def. Chris Wilson ($15,000)
Dan Cramer ($16,000 - includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Matt Arroyo ($8,000)

Bones Jones gets 14k??

[chimba]

This is why they are the number 1 org. They dont pay their fighters shit!

[québecwarrior]

GSP deserve the one million.

[BoxingFanNo1]

$400,000 poor poor George. :roll:

[codeman99998]

GSP deserve the one million.

I think he'll be okay with 400k. That's a hell of a lot of money. And it doesn't include endorsements.

[québecwarrior]

I think he'll be okay with 400k. That's a hell of a lot of money. And it doesn't include endorsements.
I know 400k is a shitload of money, litterally, but I don't know, would like to know how much UFC made with 94. WOuldnt surprise me they selled more than UFC 91...
Is that normal that Lesnar has a bigger purse than GSP?

[Scotty321]

This is why they are the number 1 org. They dont pay their fighters shit!
They must all be spewing at what Paccy and Hatton are going to be raking in..

I do like the fact they have a hard win bonus on their fights though..

[chimba]

Biggest fight in MMA history my ass. LOL barely half a million for its two champs.

Meanwile JMM and Juan Diaz will make far more than this and they are barely known outside hardcore boxing fans

[codeman99998]

Biggest fight in MMA history my ass. LOL barely half a million for its two champs.

Meanwile JMM and Juan Diaz will make far more than this and they are barely known outside hardcore boxing fans

It's true. What MMA really needs is fighters who are all about money like ODLH and Floyd Mayweather. That's how we can make sure we get the best fights...

[BoxingFanNo1]

It's true. What MMA really needs is fighters who are all about money like ODLH and Floyd Mayweather. That's how we can make sure we get the best fights...

I take it this is sarcasm???

[codeman99998]

I know 400k is a shitload of money, litterally, but I don't know, would like to know how much UFC made with 94. WOuldnt surprise me they selled more than UFC 91...
Is that normal that Lesnar has a bigger purse than GSP?

That's a great point. When that comparison is brought up, or Chuck Liddel for that matter, it brings the issue into a sharper clarity for me.

GSP should be at the top of the UFC foodchain, I just don't know that the top needs to be comparable to boxing. I actually think it would be bad for the sport. I would like to see the lower-tier fighters making more money. I think it's more important that up and comers have what they need to make the best of their ability (guys like Jones last night for instance, who without a doubt is going to be something of note one day, even if not a champion) than making sure the cream of the crop get multiple millions of dollars.

[codeman99998]

I take it this is sarcasm???
Yes it is.

[chimba]

It's true. What MMA really needs is fighters who are all about money like ODLH and Floyd Mayweather. That's how we can make sure we get the best fights...

I see that you are against fighters getting paid justly. Thats fine, youre pro corporate money making machine like the Fertitas thats fine.

You know I have a newly found respect for Golden Boy, sure he makes alot but he shares it with his fighters.

Ill give you a needed example. JMM and Diaz fight will not come close to the PPV numbers of UFC 94. But guess whos getting paid more. Just guess.

Also guys who steps into the ring and are actually risking it can get paid 20 million for all I care. DLH got 20 Million but he took Pacquiaos beating. Did Dana take any beating last night??

[codeman99998]

I see that you are against fighters getting paid justly. Thats fine, youre pro corporate money making machine like the Fertitas thats fine.

You know I have a newly found respect for Golden Boy, sure he makes alot but he shares it with his fighters.

Ill give you a needed example. JMM and Diaz fight will not come close to the PPV numbers of UFC 94. But guess whos getting paid more. Just guess.

Also guys who steps into the ring and are actually risking it can get paid 20 million for all I care. DLH got 20 Million but he took Pacquiaos beating. Did Dana take any beating last night??

It's true. I really look forward to watching the JMM and Diaz fight. Especially the undercard which is going to be SPECTACULAR! We do get to see two undefeated top 10 fighters fight on the undercard right?

No? Oh... well.

Since when does taking a beating warrant 20 million dollars? Really? I mean, I am sure every member of this forum would GLADLY take a beating from GSP, including the horrible pain and hospital stay, for 20 million dollars.

I never said I was against fighters getting paid justly. Do not put words into my mouth. Mixed martial Arts is still a growing sport worldwide and the UFC is spending a LOT OF MONEY to increase the sports popularity in other countries.

Top tier fighters are paid very well. A small number of Americans, with America being the richest country in the world, make 400k per year. GSP made it for one fight, and he may have 2 or even 3 more this year. He makes a bunch of money on endorsements as well, money we don't know about.

I think it is better for the sport to make sure that well-trained well-disciplined fighters with a future make enough to train without worrying about other sources of income, and for the leading organization to take an active role in the promotion and development of the sport the world over than for the upper echelon paid fighter to get another million dollars.

Money RUINED/is ruining boxing. If you want to be a fighter for the money, whether it's boxing or MMA, you are probably getting into the wrong profession anyways.

Let's not pretend GSP and Chuck Lidell are struggling here.

[chimba]

It's true. I really look forward to watching the JMM and Diaz fight. Especially the undercard which is going to be SPECTACULAR! We do get to see two undefeated top 10 fighters fight on the undercard right?

No? Oh... well.

Since when does taking a beating warrant 20 million dollars? Really? I mean, I am sure every member of this forum would GLADLY take a beating from GSP, including the horrible pain and hospital stay, for 20 million dollars.

I never said I was against fighters getting paid justly. Do not put words into my mouth. Mixed martial Arts is still a growing sport worldwide and the UFC is spending a LOT OF MONEY to increase the sports popularity in other countries.

Top tier fighters are paid very well. A small number of Americans, with America being the richest country in the world, make 400k per year. GSP made it for one fight, and he may have 2 or even 3 more this year. He makes a bunch of money on endorsements as well, money we don't know about.

I think it is better for the sport to make sure that well-trained well-disciplined fighters with a future make enough to train without worrying about other sources of income, and for the leading organization to take an active role in the promotion and development of the sport the world over than for the upper echelon paid fighter to get another million dollars.

Money RUINED/is ruining boxing. If you want to be a fighter for the money, whether it's boxing or MMA, you are probably getting into the wrong profession anyways.

Let's not pretend GSP and Chuck Lidell are struggling here.

I think you just saw what GSP made. Look at the others. $400k is great money, but hes been working for this company for 5 years! He is their best fighter. Its a very popular sport, more popular than Ice Hockey. Yet theres a defenseman with the Maple Leafs making over $1 million and hes not that good.

Whats the point?? They need to pay fighters more, even GSP

Without the fighters MMA is nothing. This is a young sport and a case can be made that certain fighters are bigger than the sport. Take away the top 4 fighters in this sport and this sport may not last another five years at least the way we know it.

[codeman99998]

I think you just saw what GSP made. Look at the others. $400k is great money, but hes been working for this company for 5 years! He is their best fighter. Its a very popular sport, more popular than Ice Hockey. Yet theres a defenseman with the Maple Leafs making over $1 million and hes not that good.

Whats the point?? They need to pay fighters more, even GSP

Without the fighters MMA is nothing. This is a young sport and a case can be made that certain fighters are bigger than the sport. Take away the top 4 fighters in this sport and this sport may not last another five years at least the way we know it.

All the more reason to invest wisely into the future of MMA and not spend all of the money paying the top guys millions. I don't necessarily disagree. GSP probably should be paid more.

I actually don't think we disagree on anything. I just take objection to the idea that MMA fighters should make as much as boxers, when I actually think boxing would be better if boxers made less and had less control over their future. The ODLHs, PBFs, and RJJs of boxing have made it far less interesting. I think it's important that fighters are paid well (particularly, I think UFC fighters should form a union and get some god damned health insurance. It's ridiculous how expensive private health insurance must be when you list your occupation as "Professional Cage Fighter"). And I think the amounts the people at the lower tiers make ABSOLUTELY should be higher.

[chimba]

All the more reason to invest wisely into the future of MMA and not spend all of the money paying the top guys millions. I don't necessarily disagree. GSP probably should be paid more.

I actually don't think we disagree on anything. I just take objection to the idea that MMA fighters should make as much as boxers, when I actually think boxing would be better if boxers made less and had less control over their future. The ODLHs, PBFs, and RJJs of boxing have made it far less interesting. I think it's important that fighters are paid well (particularly, I think UFC fighters should form a union and get some god damned health insurance. It's ridiculous how expensive private health insurance must be when you list your occupation as "Professional Cage Fighter"). And I think the amounts the people at the lower tiers make ABSOLUTELY should be higher.

Some form of Health Insurance would be a great idea, I dont know about a union though, imagine if they go on strike, then we will be calling them greedy:lol: A private pension should be set up, who the fuck knows what kind of damage these guys have endured years away from competition.

Another thing is accountability, does anyone know what the UFC makes and whats their bottom line?

[Wige247]

I love how people think that athletes deserve MILLIONS to perform. Like somehow earning a couple hundred thousand/year is unfair. Boohoo...

[chimba]

I love how people think that athletes deserve MILLIONS to perform. Like somehow earning a couple hundred thousand/year is unfair. Boohoo...

Sure they do, unless you are jealous. They have a talent and skill that most dont have and people pay to see that skill. Sure Doctors saves lives but its alot easier than hitting a 100 MPH fastball. People arent interested in paying to watch someone perform surgery.

Look Im one to critize these athletes because sometimes they are not worth the money. I dont want to fuckin watch baseball!! Its dreadful sport to watch but that doesnt take away from the fact that they have a special talent. A rare ability.

In the end the people buying the PPV and watching it live are to blame for these athletes making too much. But in the case of MMA fighters, theres a wide discrepancy in terms of how much the UFC make and how much they get paid.

[AJAX]

Sure they do, unless you are jealous. They have a talent and skill that most dont have and people pay to see that skill. Sure Doctors saves lives but its alot easier than hitting a 100 MPH fastball. People arent interested in paying to watch someone perform surgery.

Look Im one to critize these athletes because sometimes they are not worth the money. I dont want to fuckin watch baseball!! Its dreadful sport to watch but that doesnt take away from the fact that they have a special talent. A rare ability.

In the end the people buying the PPV and watching it live are to blame for these athletes making too much. But in the case of MMA fighters, theres a wide discrepancy in terms of how much the UFC make and how much they get paid.

I'm not sure why fans are so concerned how much the fighters make and if it's enough. If they don't make enough they will do something else that's how life works. Affliction is not going to survive because of their high payroll just like all the other mma org's that have fallen recently. Does MMA really want to overpay the fighters so they end up like "mo money Mayweather and doesn't even want to fight anymore because he is so rich and doesn't need the money or will fight a guy like ODL with a name but isn't the biggest threat to him.

[BUDW]

Ufc made a ton of cash on that fight

[Polymath]

GSP's basic pay was 200,000. Jeez.

[cruisecrweight]

All the more reason to invest wisely into the future of MMA and not spend all of the money paying the top guys millions. I don't necessarily disagree. GSP probably should be paid more.

I actually don't think we disagree on anything. I just take objection to the idea that MMA fighters should make as much as boxers, when I actually think boxing would be better if boxers made less and had less control over their future. The ODLHs, PBFs, and RJJs of boxing have made it far less interesting. I think it's important that fighters are paid well (particularly, I think UFC fighters should form a union and get some god damned health insurance. It's ridiculous how expensive private health insurance must be when you list your occupation as "Professional Cage Fighter"). And I think the amounts the people at the lower tiers make ABSOLUTELY should be higher.




Are you a communist?

I think MMA would be better served if it followed the boxing model. UFC is popular but it hinders the sport as whole. MMA will not grow beyond UFC/USA with this type of model and the fighters will not make much more then they are making right know. 400+200 is nice, but you have to keep in mind that a big chunk of that will go to taxes and trainers. The boxing model has its flaws but its much better then MMA. UFC is basically the only player in town, while in boxing you have a bunch of promoters who aren't neccessarily trying to undermine each other every single chance they get, the same way Dana and the UFC do to other organizations/promotions.


UFC=MMA(i hope the sport grows beyond that)

[scurlaruntings]

Are you a communist?

I think MMA would be better served if it followed the boxing model. UFC is popular but it hinders the sport as whole. MMA will not grow beyond UFC/USA with this type of model and the fighters will not make much more then they are making right know. 400+200 is nice, but you have to keep in mind that a big chunk of that will go to taxes and trainers. The boxing model has its flaws but its much better then MMA. UFC is basically the only player in town, while in boxing you have a bunch of promoters who aren't neccessarily trying to undermine each other every single chance they get, the same way Dana and the UFC do to other organizations/promotions.


UFC=MMA(i hope the sport grows beyond that)
Competition is good for ANY economic model in relation to consumerism. The UFC looks after its OWN interests and not that of MMA. If they did they`d be working with WAMMA and other orgs to promote the sport as well as paying there fighters better salaries than the paltry amounts we see repeatedly. I mean half a mil for a marquee fighter is pathetic in comparison to other franchise sports athletes. Even journeymen boxers get better sums than the UFC`s second tier. No wonder there doing so well. Thats a marvelous return for hardly any investment.

[SouthpawSlayer]

i have one question what is dana white and zuffa doing with all the money

i presume the ppv did over 1 million at $50 each (i think its 50 anyway), i mean hatton pacman are going to get nearly 15 million each and gsp only gets 400 k, for roughly similar ppv numbers can someone shed some light on this issue

[Kestrel]

My goodness. Those are slave wages when compare to what boxers make. UFC PPV sales are equal to boxing and the fighters are getting ripped off big time. I think the fighters need to band together somehow and force the company to pay them more. It not that hard to do, only the big names has to join forces. If UFC don't comply, they can all just let the contract run out and jump ship and the fans will follow suit.

[Kestrel]

i have one question what is dana white and zuffa doing with all the money



They are stuffing them in their pockets and bank accounts and just laughing at the stupid fighters who is risking their lives for pennies.

[scurlaruntings]

i have one question what is dana white and zuffa doing with all the money

i presume the ppv did over 1 million at $50 each (i think its 50 anyway), i mean hatton pacman are going to get nearly 15 million each and gsp only gets 400 k, for roughly similar ppv numbers can someone shed some light on this issueGoes in there pocket simple. Lorenzo i believe either worked for NSAC or had a close affiliation with them. Because of this it allowed him and his parent company the leverage to bring the UFC back from the brink. The guy was a former casino owner. He knows "HOW" to make money. The UFC is the perfect way for them to make money as what they have now is essentially a monopoly through GREAT advertising.

[chimba]

i have one question what is dana white and zuffa doing with all the money

i presume the ppv did over 1 million at $50 each (i think its 50 anyway), i mean hatton pacman are going to get nearly 15 million each and gsp only gets 400 k, for roughly similar ppv numbers can someone shed some light on this issue

But whats crazy about this is how then have uneven payouts for a match, for example usually one makes double the other, so in the case BJ won, they actually would have a payout of probably 200k instead of $400k. Smart smart business man short term. How the Fertitas and White runs this business is the same exact way Vince McMahon ran his

[Cormega]

I love how people think that athletes deserve MILLIONS to perform. Like somehow earning a couple hundred thousand/year is unfair. Boohoo...These guys are the best in the world at what they do. Every event they're making millions upon millions of dollars for Dana White and the UFC, and they're only seeing tiny fractions of that money, which wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for them.

[BoxingFanNo1]

You guys are pathetic. Who the hell are you to judge what Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta should pay the fighters?? They bought a company with no real direction, no real substance for what? 1-2 Million early 2000 and have turned it into a Billion Dollar company which gives us, the viewer, top fights on a regular basis.

If you have a problem about the pay scale and are deeply offended then switch off. Go watch Cage Rage, Affliction or something else. But to come here and bitch about how it's run when UFC have a biggest name vs biggest name policy is stupid.

Funny, I read more bitching on here about UFC fighter pay than what I read from the actual fighters themselves, pathetic.

[BewareofDawg]

1,000,000 Buys X 44.95 = $44,950,000

Thats just off PPV buys and is an estimate, but prob not far off. How much are there expenses???? :patsch They can't give Penn and GSP a million each? :-(

[ozziebattler]

I love how people think that athletes deserve MILLIONS to perform. Like somehow earning a couple hundred thousand/year is unfair. Boohoo...


I dont think getting 400k for 25minutes(umm 20minutes:yep)work is unfair.I do think that one of the number 1 fighters in the organistion got 400k for winning when they would of made atleast 8-10times that on the gate only..Add PPV buys and i call it Gsp and the other fighters being robbed.

No way am i saying GsP deserves 10mil but i do feel with the current popularity of mma(UFC inparticular)he deserved to earn something in the 800-1.2mil bracket..

I also feel for the other fellas..Cant believe bones jones got 14k.Dana sure knows how to keep his young up and coming stars hungry...

[BoxingFanNo1]

1,000,000 Buys X 44.95 = $44,950,000

Thats just off PPV buys and is an estimate, but prob not far off. How much are there expenses???? :patsch They can't give Penn and GSP a million each? :-(

I don't hear GSP and Penn complaining....
So why are you exactly??

[ozziebattler]

I don't hear GSP and Penn complaining....
So why are you exactly??


You follow mma at all??

Penn always complains about Dana the dictator.

[AlbertaFightFan]

I recall reading somewhere that the salaries indicated did not include %'s of PPV & Gate Sales which fighters like GSP & Penn also get.

[BoxingFanNo1]

You follow mma at all??

Penn always complains about Dana the dictator.

In this day and age if Penn was to complain about pay I'm pretty sure if googled a search you'd find an article.

Could you point me to this article please.
Oh and btw, even if he was unhappy with pay, sponsorship etc, he could always go somewhere else.

[BewareofDawg]

I don't hear GSP and Penn complaining....
So why are you exactly??
Not really, just pointing it out. Where does all the money go? Why are you defending them

[BewareofDawg]

I recall reading somewhere that the salaries indicated did not include %'s of PPV & Gate Sales which fighters like GSP & Penn also get.
That would make sense :good

[chimba]

You guys are pathetic. Who the hell are you to judge what Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta should pay the fighters?? They bought a company with no real direction, no real substance for what? 1-2 Million early 2000 and have turned it into a Billion Dollar company which gives us, the viewer, top fights on a regular basis.

If you have a problem about the pay scale and are deeply offended then switch off. Go watch Cage Rage, Affliction or something else. But to come here and bitch about how it's run when UFC have a biggest name vs biggest name policy is stupid.

Funny, I read more bitching on here about UFC fighter pay than what I read from the actual fighters themselves, pathetic.
You are an idiot,

this is what you said, The Fertitas who were born with a platinum spoon in their mouth bought the UFC for pennies, now from pennies it turned into a million dollar company on paper. And you wonder why `fans question the pay scale. What the fuck do you care if fans question it.

The fighters wont bitch because its a fuckin monopoly they are under contracts, Fitch bitched and look what happened to him. Are you in grade school

[cruisecrweight]

I dont think getting 400k for 25minutes(umm 20minutes:yep)work is unfair.I do think that one of the number 1 fighters in the organistion got 400k for winning when they would of made atleast 8-10times that on the gate only..Add PPV buys and i call it Gsp and the other fighters being robbed.

No way am i saying GsP deserves 10mil but i do feel with the current popularity of mma(UFC inparticular)he deserved to earn something in the 800-1.2mil bracket..

I also feel for the other fellas..Cant believe bones jones got 14k.Dana sure knows how to keep his young up and coming stars hungry...

It was hardly just a few minutes. These fighters bust their ass for months. I dont believe that athletes should be making millions, but fighters should at least be making fair wages. 400-600 is really good money but what about the guys who are not neccessarily on the elite level like GSP. Sure, 10 or 20 thousand is good for a nights work, but how many fights can a guy realistically have before he gets dumped to the curb, without an education or any job skills. I rather be an average joe with a regular safe and secure job instead of getting my face pounded for a few thousand dollars.

That is why i prefer the boxing platform better. It's freemarket, you take your talent to the highest bidder.

[PH|LLA]

thats a shame really as the organisation probably banked 20-40Million$


If they don't start paying the fighters what they are worth then they will lose in the long run because competition will arise. Also, the sport as a whole will lose.

[BoxingFanNo1]

You are an idiot,

this is what you said, The who were born with a platinum spoon in their mouth bought the UFC for pennies, now from pennies it turned into a million dollar company on paper. And you wonder why `fans question the pay scale. What the fuck do you care if fans question it.

The fighters wont bitch because its a fuckin monopoly they are under contracts, Fitch bitched and look what happened to him. Are you in grade school

And what are you? The champion of Pay deal for MMA fghters?
What has the Fertitas upbringing to do with ANYTHING?? To bring this point up makes no sence whatsoever!! It makes me think you have another agenda.... Hate all people born rich or just them??

I've read your same lame crying threads about pay scale for ages. You need to realise, it's a business. It's a business and THEY made what it is, not White, he only laid the foundation.

In every walk of life if workers feel opressed they rise up and challenge the pay masters for change. EVERYTHING in life has always been like that. But it hasn't happened in UFC yet, why you ask? Cause they obviously don't care 1/10th on the matter as you do.

You have another agenda...
Did Dana White touch your pee pee when you were younger dude?
Seriously... :patsch

[BoxingFanNo1]

thats a shame really as the organisation probably banked 20-40Million$


If they don't start paying the fighters what they are worth then they will lose in the long run because competition will arise. Also, the sport as a whole will lose.

Wrong, just wrong.

As the competition rises as will conditions, pay etc. The sport will never lose, it's too far established for that now.

Lets enjoy Best V Best while we can. Won't be too long before the equivelants of GSP and Penn won't fight each other cause their 2,3,4 mill+ cut is not good enough...

[scurlaruntings]

In this day and age if Penn was to complain about pay I'm pretty sure if googled a search you'd find an article.

Could you point me to this article please.
Oh and btw, even if he was unhappy with pay, sponsorship etc, he could always go somewhere else.Erm newsflash skippy he already did. Penn like Couture made his peace and came back. Thats entirely there perogative and obviously good business for the UFC to have marquee names in there organization. If you think fighters dont already complain about how much they make in the UFC then its pretty clear your still an idiot and havent got the faintest idea about this sport. Now going drown yourself in some whisky.

[BoxingFanNo1]

Erm newsflash skippy he already did. Penn like Couture made his peace and came back. Thats entirely there perogative and obviously good business for the UFC to have marquee names in there organization. If you think fighters dont already complain about how much they make in the UFC then its pretty clear your still an idiot and havent got the faintest idea about this sport. Now going drown yourself in some whisky.

And clearly you're an arrogant over valued opinion ed twat.

Now go and drown yourself, I don't care what in.

And it's 'Go and' drown yourself, not 'going'. If you're going to insult people at least make it semi-coherent.

[scurlaruntings]

And clearly you're an arrogant over valued opinion ed twat.

Now go and drown yourself, I don't care what in.

And it's 'Go and' drown yourself, not 'going'. If you're going to insult people at least make it semi-coherent.
No one gives a fuck Mrs Vorderman. It obviously was coherent enough as even your drunk ass was able enough to read it.

[BoxingFanNo1]

No one gives a fuck Mrs Vorderman. It obviously was coherent enough as even your drunk ass was able enough to read it.

Oh please, stop... My sides..... you're too funny, seriously, I can't start laughing. :rofl

[MaliSlamusrex]

they must get some kind of salary, $400k wont pay for a 5 month training camp.

[scurlaruntings]

they must get some kind of salary, $400k wont pay for a 5 month training camp.Yeah some hold down a regular job. :yep Marquee fighters like GSP probably do alot better off the endorsements.

[codeman99998]

Yeah some hold down a regular job. :yep Marquee fighters like GSP probably do alot better off the endorsements.

400k wont pay for a 5 month training camp?:admin

[chimba]

400k wont pay for a 5 month training camp?:admin

It is more than enough for a 5 month training camp. Its probably 250k after taxes. Training camp probably 100k with GSP flying the whole Jackson team. He probably nets 150k after everything 3 times a year with endorsement, hes equivalent to a top tier surgeon or a busy dentist.

Note that these guys also work harder than most professsionals.

[Polymath]

Oh please, stop... My sides..... you're too funny, seriously, I can't start laughing. :rofl

Who the fuck's this n00b? :huh

Go away will you?