Jim Driscoll vs Salvador Sanchez

[mrplow182]

Featherweight fantasy matchup who takes it and how???

Probably been done before but the comparison of fighters from a different era is hard to call

[mcvey]

Driscoll for me ,he was on a par with Pep for boxing ability,his left lead was immaculate ,and he carried stopping power in his right.Peerless Jim by Dec.Though I think the majority will go with Sanchez.

[GPater11093]

educated left hand

brilliant boxing ability

with a powerful right hand

i would go with driscoll out boxing sanchez for a UD about 10-5 or 11-4

sanchez would be competitive but Jims boxing skills would come into there own

[Sweet Pea]

Sanchez by KO.

[GPater11093]

Sanchez by KO.

you sure

sweet pea i dont often think you get something wrong

but i think your wrong here

also i would like to see your thinking behind it (as your more knowledgeable than me but i jsut cant see how you can get that outcome)

[Sweet Pea]

you sure

sweet pea i dont often think you get something wrong

but i think your wrong here

also i would like to see your thinking behind it (as your more knowledgeable than me but i jsut cant see how you can get that outcome)

I just don't think Driscoll was a fully modernized fighter, good as he was for his era. I still rank him justly on an era by era basis, just not in head to head terms.

Not to mention there's not a whole lot of footage of him available anyway, so how people come to such a sure conclusion that he'd handily outbox a guy like Sanchez is beyond me.

[mcvey]

I just don't think Driscoll was a fully modernized fighter, good as he was for his era. I still rank him justly on an era by era basis, just not in head to head terms.

Not to mention there's not a whole lot of footage of him available anyway, so how people come to such a sure conclusion that he'd handily outbox a guy like Sanchez is beyond me.
Pat Cowdell?

[Sweet Pea]

Pat Cowdell?And?

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Driscoll by 15 or 20 rd dec.

[AlFrancis]

I remember when I was a young lad having a book called something like "Jim Driscolls book of boxing", shame really because it's been lost over the years, probably a collectors item. In one part he said what surprised me that a good outside boxer doesn't have to be a good infighter.
Would that put him in good stead against the modern fighter or have there been modern fighters you could say the same about?

[Ted Spoon]

Jim Driscoll was from the 'stand-up-and-spear' school of boxing. He was economical, adept, accurate and punishing, but not in an ancient cloud of appreciation, supposedly incompatible to the modern era.

Leach Cross rushed at Driscoll all night only to be soundly tied-up, skirted around and peppered to death, by a fully rounded fighter by any measure.

When it came to boxing and boxing well in the purest sense, Driscoll was a bit of a monster. Sanchez was somewhat of a monster as well with his persistent excellence, but in this instance, the straighter punches of Driscoll and position excavating footwork would get him to over-reach and play a game he would just about lose.

[Sweet Pea]

Exactly how much footage of Driscoll is available, and how much have you guys seen?

[mcvey]

And?

Using a crab like style and a jab Cowdell took Sanchez to a split dec,Cowdell was a cagy boxer but several leagues below Driscoll who won just about every round against Abe Attell,and beat guys like Leach Cross .Driscoll was still good enough to draw with Owen Moran when he was 33 and suffering from ill health.

[TFFP]

From my reading Driscoll was a beautiful technician and defensive craftsman, not adverse to messing around inside and utilising the dark arts, if not as a primary method.

Still...I wouldn't like to pick him against somebody like Sanchez without seeing a lot more.

[mcvey]

Exactly how much footage of Driscoll is available, and how much have you guys seen?
Check him out against Robson,especially his quick right hands.

[mcvey]

And?
Cowdell had had 21 fights when he took Sanchez to a split dec,Driscoll had 77,he knew the game inside and out.

[Sweet Pea]

I'll try to track down some footage. I believe I saw some a while back (it was either Driscoll or Packey McFarland, one of SS's favorites), but I remember absolutely nothing.

[mcvey]

I'll try to track down some footage. I believe I saw some a while back (it was either Driscoll or Packey McFarland, one of SS's favorites), but I remember absolutely nothing.

Driscoll never fought McFarland,you are probably thinking of Freddie Welsh ,who fought McFarland for the British version of the Light weight tiltle.

[asero]

sanchez is just too hard to handle..we have still to see his weakness

[GPater11093]

ill admit i havent seen alot of Driscoll but from what i ahve saw of him its near perfection in terms of out boxing

[sweet_scientist]

I'll try to track down some footage. I believe I saw some a while back (it was either Driscoll or Packey McFarland, one of SS's favorites), but I remember absolutely nothing.

I had Driscoll's fight with Robson and McFarland's fight with Welsh up on youtube but took them down a while ago.

Driscoll's style looks quite progressive to me. I don't think, for instance, that boxers like Benny Leonard or Tommy Loughran look better from the footage I've seen. And he was already on the way out against Robson, so that footage isn't even footage of him at his best.

Whilst a 4 round clip can't tell you all that much about a fighter, it does reveal clearly that he was very skilled.

Could he step out of a time machine and beat Sanchez? Probably not. But make his birthdate 1960 and he probably hands Sanchez his ass.

[LDJB81]

I had Driscoll's fight with Robson and McFarland's fight with Welsh up on youtube but took them down a while ago.

Driscoll's style looks quite progressive to me. I don't think, for instance, that boxers like Benny Leonard or Tommy Loughran look better from the footage I've seen. And he was already on the way out against Robson, so that footage isn't even footage of him at his best.

Whilst a 4 round clip can't tell you all that much about a fighter, it does reveal clearly that he was very skilled.

Could he step out of a time machine and beat Sanchez? Probably not. But make his birthdate 1960 and he probably hands Sanchez his ass.

Mate ive been looking for some footage on driscoll and welsh for ages, any chance you can upload them somewhere? cheers

[sweet_scientist]

Mate ive been looking for some footage on driscoll and welsh for ages, any chance you can upload them somewhere? cheers

I'll see what I can do. Check back in about a week if I haven't uploaded them. :good

[LDJB81]

cool will that be on you tube or will you post a link? my gramp will be well happy of I can get some footage of them.

[sweet_scientist]

I'll post links in this thread.

[sweet_scientist]

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There's a bit on Jim Driscoll. Will add some Packey McFarland later.

[mcvey]

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There's a bit on Jim Driscoll. Will add some Packey McFarland later.

Notice the referee is outside the ring?

[mcvey]

Glad you put this up so others can see bit of Peerless Jim.
Robson was good enough to beat,Harlem Tommy Murphy,George Dixon x2,draw with Abe Attell,and draw with Terry McGovern in a fight many said he won.

[mrplow182]

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There's a bit on Jim Driscoll. Will add some Packey McFarland later.

Fantastic footage!

Great vid thanks for posting!

[sweet_scientist]

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:good

[Senya13]

That's typical McFarland. Forcing the fight all the time (even against tough sluggers, who really loved wars, he forced them back away, not vice versa). Volleys of punches, and he's not wasting any, very quick hands. Quick feet too, in and out movement for defense, also blocking a lot of punches too, wonderful defense. He was considered the most skillful boxer in the world, ahead of Abe Attell and the rest, only behind Joe Gans, of his contemporaries. Very good infighting skills, right uppercut was his favorite weapon at close range. Although he sometimes was taking things easy, when he thoroughly outclassed his opponents, allowing them last the distance, and only attempting for a knockout in the very last round, but against Welsh it wasn't the case. He's forcing the fight, not giving the opponent any rest. He clearly deserved the decision in this fight, but was only given a draw.