Most Talented Fighter of All Time

[MSTR]

Pleae read properly. Not the greatest resume. The guy who showed the most unbeatable skills inside the ring in their prime. Considering some fighters had very small primes, keep in mind this can include a large range of fighters. IMO Roy Jones JR takes this out. The way he dismantled James Toney in his prime is all the proof I need. KO Power, Blinding speed, Great defense, good chin at his natural weight and an unorthadox style that made him very hard to adapt to. I just can't see the majority of great traditional boxers adapting to what Roy could do in the ring. A prime and motivated Roy was as close to unbeatable as you could be. What are your thoughts? Who's skill set has impressed you the most, and what makes you believe that they should be placed above all others considering the criteria?

[sues2nd]

Jones, Whitaker, Leonard, John Ruiz....all acceptable answers....

Ummm, wait a second.

[MagnificentMatt]

When it comes to all out skill, jsut watching somebody go to work and saying "amazing"

Id say..

Sweet Pea (Whitaker), Tyson, Leonord, RJJR, no real order in that..Id almost throw Floyd in..you have to admit, he does look pretty amazing in there..but ill wait a bit.

[brooklyn1550]

The three best I have seen on film are Pernell Whitaker, Roberto Duran, and Roy Jones, Jr. Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson are right up there as well - great speed, SRR had great power, hard to hit, great ring generalship, great heart, and great chins.

[GazOC]

Of the guys I've actually seen fight...Leonard and Whitaker.

[lenin]

money mayweather

[brooklyn1550]

Jones, Whitaker, Leonard, John Ruiz....all acceptable answers....

Ummm, wait a second.

Give me a fucking break:patsch Roy Jones Jr? The guy who was KO'd by Tarver and Johnson. No way

I like you're other three picks though:lol:

[sues2nd]

Give me a fucking break:patsch Roy Jones Jr? The guy who was KO'd by Tarver and Johnson. No way

I like you're other three picks though:lol:

Welllll...He didnt ask who had the best CHIN of all time. He asked who was the most talented. Jones, like him or not, was one of the most freakishly talented fighters to ever set foot in the ring.

And yeah....Im still holdin out on that John Ruiz thing....he is gonna prove us allllllllll wrong.....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dantes]

Hamed, would definitely be up there considering the criteria.

[MagnificentMatt]

Im suprised im the only one with Tyson in mind..they guy said even if they had a short prime..I mean, Ali was mentioned and he didnt have a prime..:-)

[sues2nd]

Im suprised im the only one with Tyson in mind..they guy said even if they had a short prime..I mean, Ali was mentioned and he didnt have a prime..:-)

He was very one dimensional. If we are talking domination...then yeah, he is in there...but pure talent....not so sure. Like I said, very limited, but otherwordly in the things he was great at.

:good

[brooklyn1550]

And yeah....Im still holdin out on that John Ruiz thing....he is gonna prove us allllllllll wrong.....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

He beat Holyfield, Rahman, Golota, Oquendo, Johnson, Tucker, and Thunder...he's great, no doubt about it.

[Rollo]

Joe louis - his loss to Schmeling was like one in a million. He also learned very well from fights that didn´t go quite his way, and he was devastating in rematches. An 11 year reign and 25 defences speaks for itself.

[mightyd40]

meldrick taylors a good one

[GazOC]

meldrick taylors a good one

Taylor had good hand speed that covered up a lot of other deficencies. Poor power, poor punch variety and average footwork.

He was a good fighter but nowhere near 'most talanted of all time'

[a.arthur.h]

This is one of the guys whom I always think of. One of the few boxers I've actually said "Wow" when watching film of them.

Nicolino Locche
3LEKHMUCh8k

Unfortunately he is not a name that is usually mentioned. I don't know if you'd consider him the most talented in regards to his entire skillset. But he was an incredible fighter. Puts Floyd Mayweather Jr. to shame when talking about a defensive wizard, actually TKO'd a guy by making him exhausted and frustrated because he couldn't land anything meaningful, his opponent refused to start the round.

[Marnoff]

Jones, Whitaker, Mayweather, Leonard, Robinson, Ali. All of these guys are or were fantastic.

[Dr Gonzo]

RJJ during 93-2002 era; perfect mix of everything

[jhar26]

Jones comes close but his chin is a little shaky when you compare it to the others.
Maybe, but since "the most talented fighter of all time" isn't suppposed to get hit it really doesn't matter. ;)

[MagnificentMatt]

Maybe, but since "the most talented fighter of all time" isn't suppposed to get hit it really doesn't matter. ;)

That and chin has nothing to do with talent what so ever.

[PR Boxing Lore]

Ali, Whitaker,Roinson,Leonard,RJJ,"El Radar" Benitez

[GazOC]

This is one of the guys whom I always think of. One of the few boxers I've actually said "Wow" when watching film of them.

Nicolino Locche
3LEKHMUCh8k

Unfortunately he is not a name that is usually mentioned. I don't know if you'd consider him the most talented in regards to his entire skillset. But he was an incredible fighter. Puts Floyd Mayweather Jr. to shame when talking about a defensive wizard, actually TKO'd a guy by making him exhausted and frustrated because he couldn't land anything meaningful, his opponent refused to start the round.

Locche was one hell of a fighter but lacked the punch to be up there with the really greats IMHO.

[Rollo]

Whitaker, Duran, Hamed, Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Louis seems to have all the complete package. Jones comes close but his chin is a little shaky when you compare it to the others.



Hamed?

One thing is that he lost against MAB - but the fact that he had absolutely no clue about how to adapt(= poor talent) should erase him completely off your list!

[sues2nd]

Locche was one hell of a fighter but lacked the punch to be up there with the really greats IMHO.

But defensively he was a marvel!!!

[Jinx]

Terry Norris...one of the best offensively talented fighters of all time...if he only had a beard...

[GazOC]

But defensively he was a marvel!!!

Yep, amazing!:good

[bhwbj]

Roy Jones jr.

[a.arthur.h]

Locche was one hell of a fighter but lacked the punch to be up there with the really greats IMHO.

True, unmatched defensively, with the punch of Paulie Malignaggi :patsch.

I'm not sure who I would say was the most talented of all time. Because for the most part nobody was truly great at everything. Someone either had a more powerful punch, better chin, quicker handspeed, better defense, etc.

Put Tua's chin on Roy Jones and you'd have a pretty stellar fighter. Though really he had no need for a chin in his prime.

[sues2nd]

Wow, just realized noone mentioned SRR????

We should be ashamed of ourselves......:nono

[dave82]

Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Ali, Ray Leonard, Robinson.
In the making PBF, I think i will make up my mind after the Hatton fight

[sues2nd]

Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Ali, Ray Leonard, Robinson.
In the making PBF, I think i will make up my mind after the Hatton fight

Ya know....I think of the current crop of fighters...the best overall one isnt Floyd at all. I think its Mosely. Call me crazy...I dont think Shane is better per say...but I do think he is more well rounded of a fighter.

(ooooooo probably gonna get flamed by someone for this...)

[hitman_hatton1]

roy jones jr.

just ludicrously talented.

the guy barely lost rds for years of his career. :yep

[Sister Sledge]

Whittaker. Pernell barely lost rounds against top opposition in his prime. He may not have been the biggest puncher. But he was damn near unbeatable in his prime. Here's my top 5:

1. Whittaker-IMO the best Lightweight ever
2. SRR-Best Welterweight ever
3. Floyd Mayweather-Could go down as the best all-around fighter
4. RJJ-The best athlete of all fighters
5. Ali-Uncanny speed and mouth for a heavyweight

[JMotrain]

Talent wise, RJJ.

Others Ali, Duran, SRL

[jonesjrp4p1]

roy jones jr.

just ludicrously talented.

the guy barely lost rds for years of his career. :yep

all of his career until the tarver fight

[viperguy]

Hamed, would definitely be up there considering the criteria.Hamed was the best that i've seen.

[MSTR]

When it comes to all out skill, jsut watching somebody go to work and saying "amazing"

Id say..

Sweet Pea (Whitaker), Tyson, Leonord, RJJR, no real order in that..Id almost throw Floyd in..you have to admit, he does look pretty amazing in there..but ill wait a bit.
Floyd hasn't dominated his opponents any where near as convincingly as Roy did though. And Tyson although exciting is definitely beatable even in his prime. Pea was a great fighter, I just don't think he can compare with the offensive arsenal that Roy had. Leonard is a good pick, although the fact that he lost during his prime against Duran rules him out IMO>

[MSTR]

Hamed was the best that i've seen.
Hamed was well beaten during his prime though. Although he beat good fighters, at times he wasn't as convincing, and he never really defeated true elite competition apart from Kelly IMO, whom he went virtually life and death with and coudl have very easily been knocked out by.

[MSTR]

Wow, just realized noone mentioned SRR????

We should be ashamed of ourselves......:nono
He was very talented for his era, but I don't think he would compete against modern day fighters at an elite level considering far boxing has come as a sport.

[Toopretty]

Floyd hasn't dominated his opponents any where near as convincingly as Roy did though. And Tyson although exciting is definitely beatable even in his prime. Pea was a great fighter, I just don't think he can compare with the offensive arsenal that Roy had. Leonard is a good pick, although the fact that he lost during his prime against Duran rules him out IMO>

Floyd dominated almost as many fights as Roy. But not in flashy fashion. Floyd did it in technically superior fashion. He just made the guy realize he was better then them. The look on any floyds opponents face is pure frustration from round one. They cannot get in to there groove as all said after the fight. Even Castillo in the first fight kept saying I cant figure him out. I cant figure him out.. I mean :huh:huh Roy dominated but Floyd did a little bit less in my book. But I am a so called Floyd groupie that overhypes a fighter that people like Don King and Bob Arum that have no interest or dont even like the guy and say he is the best fighter they have seen since Ali and leonard. But hey ..what do they know...:admin:admin:admin:admin

[dave82]

Ya know....I think of the current crop of fighters...the best overall one isnt Floyd at all. I think its Mosely. Call me crazy...I dont think Shane is better per say...but I do think he is more well rounded of a fighter.

(ooooooo probably gonna get flamed by someone for this...)

Shit I forgot Mosley, awesome talent he is. I remember watching his fight against Antonio Diaz, it was like watching a Roy Jones Highlight reel. :good

[MSTR]

TooPretty, Floyd had big trouble vs Castillo, lost rounds against the like of Sosa, Chavez and even the B level Augustus. He didn't dominate his opponents anywhere near the level of Roy. Don King and Arums opinion isn't worth shit because they have their own agendas.

[tays001]

Like No Body Reads . It Says Talent Right

Rjj, Srr,srl,ali,billy Conn,money Mayweather (he Was Great On Mtv's Cribbs) ,willy Pep,p Whitaker, No Paticular Order.

[Toopretty]

TooPretty, Floyd had big trouble vs Castillo, lost rounds against the like of Sosa, Chavez and even the B level Augustus. He didn't dominate his opponents anywhere near the level of Roy. Don King and Arums opinion isn't worth shit because they have their own agendas.

Floyd had trouble with augustus/chavez....lol.. you are a pure and utter clown that didnt watch either fight. Augustus got beat every single round of constant punches to his head. He could take what floyd had to dish but that is about it. He lost every round:rofl:rofl:rofl Every single one...as long as that fight lasted which his corner tossed in the towel. Same with Jesus Chavez.. He won every round but two before it was stopped. He beat Sosa every round in a landslide...lol though I dont agree I give Sosa 3 rounds. So if losing 3 rounds is having trouble in a fight where you get all rounds scored for you in reality...lol Your opinion is worth shit b/c you are not a boxing judge. Have 0 credibility and if you got to the actual facts your post just got owned. FUCK WHAT YOU THINK..lol who cares..

[MSTR]

Floyd had trouble with augustus/chavez....lol.. you are a pure and utter clown that didnt watch either fight. Augustus got beat every single round of constant punches to his head. He could take what floyd had to dish but that is about it. He lost every round:rofl:rofl:rofl Every single one...as long as that fight lasted which his corner tossed in the towel. Same with Jesus Chavez.. He won every round but two before it was stopped. He beat Sosa every round in a landslide...lol though I dont agree I give Sosa 3 rounds. So if losing 3 rounds is having trouble in a fight where you get all rounds scored for you in reality...lol Your opinion is worth shit b/c you are not a boxing judge. Have 0 credibility and if you got to the actual facts your post just got owned. FUCK WHAT YOU THINK..lol who cares..
HAHAHA.... you are a pathetic wannabe gangsta cock. Read my post.. I said he lost rounds against those guys. Go check the score cards you idiot. God you are a cock. I said he had trouble against Castillo.

[Toopretty]

They stopped the augustus fight b/c he was losing every single round and had no chance of winning at all and was taking punches every single round. He was not hurt..lol not even wobbled..lol WOW the boxing facts on here bend every night..

[Toopretty]

HAHAHA.... you are a pathetic wannabe gangsta cock. Read my post.. I said he lost rounds against those guys. Go check the score cards you idiot. God you are a cock. I said he had trouble against Castillo.

So answer this you fake boxing idiot that is supposed to be posting shit to hurt floyd.. Augustus did not win ONE round....Sosa won one on the scorecards 3 in reality.. Chavez won 2 rounds and got stopped..lol as did Augustus. So losing 2 or 3 rounds in a fight is not good....lol...not dominating.....ahahahhhahhhaha fucking clown..fake ass dont know shit ass person..you amuse the fuck out of me..:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Toopretty]

Castillo won 4-5 rounds and Zab won 4 and ODH won 4-5 out of 12. They were the only close fights he been in 3...NEVER LOSING...EVER .....Never being knocked out...in 38 fights over 5 different weight classes...If that shit aint dominating nothing is.....lol

[Toopretty]

Mike Tyson.

Physically perfect. Noone will ever be built like him and display his agility, speed, and power. Granite chin. Stamina good.

Tyson was born to be a boxer..He was a beast at 16.. If he got smarter as a fighter as he aged he would of been a top ATG..

[MSTR]

They stopped the augustus fight b/c he was losing every single round and had no chance of winning at all and was taking punches every single round. He was not hurt..lol not even wobbled..lol WOW the boxing facts on here bend every night..
The point is how he looked against these guys. We are talking dominance. Cotto KTFO Sosa in a few rounds. He took Mayweather the distance and took a couple rounds off him. Chavez was taking rounds of Mayweather. Judah took rounds off Mayweather. Castillo took rounds off Mayweather. Augustus dragged him into a dog fight. These fights were during his prime. Prime Roy would have disposed of these sort of fighters in more convincing fashion. End of Story. Look at Mayweathers face during the Augustus fight... Don't try to make out like it was all one way, because your full of shit.

[THN]

To me there is Muhamed Ali the one and only

[MSTR]

So answer this you fake boxing idiot that is supposed to be posting shit to hurt floyd.. Augustus did not win ONE round....Sosa won one on the scorecards 3 in reality.. Chavez won 2 rounds and got stopped..lol as did Augustus. So losing 2 or 3 rounds in a fight is not good....lol...not dominating.....ahahahhhahhhaha fucking clown..fake ass dont know shit ass person..you amuse the fuck out of me..:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
You are such a moron its hard to fathom. I never said he didn't beat or even dominate his opponents, I was comparing him to how Roy beat his opponents in his prime. End of story. Are you 12 by any chance?

[THN]

Tyson had more talent. His punches came as fast and with twice the weight.
Tyson was strong, but talent :huh no way!

[tays001]

Tyson was born to be a boxer..He was a beast at 16.. If he got smarter as a fighter as he aged he would of been a top ATG..

correction thee ATG

[kg0208]

Castillo won 4-5 rounds and Zab won 4 and ODH won 4-5 out of 12. They were the only close fights he been in 3...NEVER LOSING...EVER .....Never being knocked out...in 38 fights over 5 different weight classes...If that shit aint dominating nothing is.....lol

Yah....he is dominating. But in the same time frame, at the same age, over the same amount of fights, Jones lost less rounds.

[tays001]

Mike Tyson.

Physically perfect. Noone will ever be built like him and display his agility, speed, and power. Granite chin. Stamina good.

tyson was a perfect hw

[tays001]

Yah....he is dominating. But in the same time frame, at the same age, over the same amount of fights, Jones lost less rounds.

this is very true:deal

[MSTR]

Yah....he is dominating. But in the same time frame, at the same age, over the same amount of fights, Jones lost less rounds.
Exactly the point I was trying to make.

[mbandit]

What about ricardo lopez?

[kg0208]

What about ricardo lopez?

Bad ass dude alot of people forget. Not sure how close he is in talent to the others but worth a look right?

[TheGreat]

Joe Louis, Mike Tyson and Roy Jones jr.

[boxingcar]

boxer = robinson and ali
fighter = fedor and yamamoto

[Koa]

I like Tommy Hearns as well in there. He really could box defensively if he wanted. Had rediculous power, fast hands and utilized his height pretty well considering his style.

Still Amazing watching him outbox SRL moving backwards and moving. He really had another dimension to his style when it came to survival mode. His only problem was he could get caught cleanly.. I wonder how things would have gone with Hagler had he not broken his hand and fought defensively.

But yeah, Roy was sick. He was pure talent, reflexes, quickness and contingency. Hamed was no slouch when it came to talent, very unorthodox as well.

[Odo]

Oleg Saitov was the most talented fighter of all time IMO.He lacked firepower,but hell he could fight like the personification of God in gloves inside a box ring.

[red cobra]

Of course, any thinking boxing fan knows that the "most talented" boxer does not always equate to the "best boxer". There are less naturally gifted fighters who compensate by having superior brains, technique and skills that can just as easily negate supior "gifts'. Examples I am sure will be forthcoming.

[GazOC]

Of course, any thinking boxing fan knows that the "most talented" boxer does not always equate to the "best boxer". There are less naturally gifted fighters who compensate by having superior brains, technique and skills that can just as easily negate supior "gifts'. Examples I am sure will be forthcoming.

Marciano is the obvious one...

[knockout]

Roy Jones,but right now its Mayweather.

[Unlimited]

My vote goes for RJJ and Tyson during their primes it looked like no one could come close to beating them.

[red cobra]

Wilfredo Gomez fascinates me in that in the seventies, up until the time he fought Sanchez, was an almost perfect fighter with catlike gifts of cunning, spees, boxing ability and above all a killer punch. He could do it all. Combinations, an almost outerspacelike contempt and coldness in the way he would dispatch his poor opponents. Just look at the fight with Zarate as the classic example. Unbelievable.

[Sister Sledge]

Yah....he is dominating. But in the same time frame, at the same age, over the same amount of fights, Jones lost less rounds.

Jones never fought the quality of fighters that PBF has fought. Never. The best fighter RJJ fought was Toney and that fight is infamous in the fact that it was the same Toney that fought Dave Tiberi and Montell Griffin. Maybe PBF has lost rounds, but his quality of opposition was much better. Mayweather lost rounds to Castillo, while Jones was losing a fight to Montell Griffin. Now do you consider Griffin better to Castillo?

[koko of phil]

Rocky Marciano and SRL.

[albaneze]

My Avatar Guy.

[brooklyn1550]

Jones never fought the quality of fighters that PBF has fought. Never. The best fighter RJJ fought was Toney and that fight is infamous in the fact that it was the same Toney that fought Dave Tiberi and Montell Griffin. Maybe PBF has lost rounds, but his quality of opposition was much better. Mayweather lost rounds to Castillo, while Jones was losing a fight to Montell Griffin. Now do you consider Griffin better to Castillo?

Jones has fought BETTER overall opposition than Floyd Mayweather

Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Vinny Pazienza
Thulani Malinga
Otis Grant
Eric Lucas
Jorge Fernando Castro
Montell Griffin
John Ruiz
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
David Telesco

In that resume alone, there is 3 all time greats. Floyd has only fought one. Hopkins is better than De La Hoya, Toney is better than Castillo, McCallum is better than Corrales, and Hill is better than Judah, Hernandez, or Manfredy.

Jones defeated 17 world champions, 5 more than Mayweather's 12

In the Toney fight, Roy's movement, usage of angles, and handspeed befuddled Toney, preventing him from getting into a rythm and preventing him from getting off to counterpunch. Roy was simply not there to be hit and was too fast for James. James couldn't deal with the speed. Jones was a stylistic nightmare for James Toney. That was not the Toney who came into the Thadzi and Griffin fights - that was a motivated Toney who was beat by the better fighter.

Jones had Griffin out, but was disqualified for hitting him when he was down. And look what happened in the rematch...Montell was out in 1.

Jones fought the better fighters, had the better resume, and was the more talented fighter.

[Sister Sledge]

Jones has fought BETTER overall opposition than Floyd Mayweather

Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Vinny Pazienza
Thulani Malinga
Otis Grant
Eric Lucas
Jorge Fernando Castro
Montell Griffin
John Ruiz
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
David Telesco

In that resume alone, there is 3 all time greats. Floyd has only fought one. Hopkins is better than De La Hoya, Toney is better than Castillo, McCallum is better than Corrales, and Hill is better than Judah.

In the Toney fight, Roy's movement, usage of angles, and handspeed befuddled Toney, preventing him from getting into a rythm and preventing him from getting off to counterpunch. Roy was simply not there to be hit. Jones was a stylistic nightmare for James Toney. That was not the Toney who came into the Thadzi and Griffin fights.

Jones had Griffin out, but was disqualified for hitting him when he was down. And look what happened in the rematch...Montell was out in 1.

On paper, of course these guys look better, but most of the fighters he fought weren't in their primes at all. McCallum was 40 going on 50, and losing more than he was winning. Grant was shopworn and coming up from Middleweight to Light Heavy. Pazienza was a circus act and never a top flight Super Middleweight. Hill lost to an old, bloated, past his prime Hearns years before he fought RJJ. Reggie Johnsons best years were clearly behind him. With this said. RJJ never fought these guys when they were at their best.

B-Hop was still a crude brawler, and not even close to the fighter he is today. The same goes for Clinton Woods, who is a much better fighter.

The other guys you mentioned, like John Ruiz, are second rate ham-n-eggers. Glen Kelly, Dave Telesco? Come on, man! They suck!

PBF has beaten 12 champions and counting, and is not even close to being done. Hatton will make 13.

Angel Manfredy
Genaro Hernandez
JC Castillo
Diego Corrales
Oscar de la Hoya
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Sharba Mitchell
Carlos Baldimar
Chop Chop Corley
Jesus Chavez
Goyo Vargas
Famoso Hernandez

[Sister Sledge]

Have you seen some of the names that beat Castillo? You can say that about a lot of fighters, but Castillo beat Stevie Johnston, Corrales, Casemeyor, and other top fighters. He was an excellent fighter.

[Executioner]

Rocky Marciano and SRL.

I'm a big Marciano fan..but :huh

There's a ton of fighters more talented.

[AmazingHook]

I'm a big Marciano fan..but :huh

There's a ton of fighters more talented.

True...."Rocky knew he wasn't the most talented or gifted fighter. This is why he pushed and challenged his body. Rocky's mind set was, you may be able to beat me, but you can't beat my body"

[kg0208]

On paper, of course these guys look better, but most of the fighters he fought weren't in their primes at all. McCallum was 40 going on 50, and losing more than he was winning. Grant was shopworn and coming up from Middleweight to Light Heavy. Pazienza was a circus act and never a top flight Super Middleweight. Hill lost to an old, bloated, past his prime Hearns years before he fought RJJ. Reggie Johnsons best years were clearly behind him. With this said. RJJ never fought these guys when they were at their best.

B-Hop was still a crude brawler, and not even close to the fighter he is today. The same goes for Clinton Woods, who is a much better fighter.

The other guys you mentioned, like John Ruiz, are second rate ham-n-eggers. Glen Kelly, Dave Telesco? Come on, man! They suck!

PBF has beaten 12 champions and counting, and is not even close to being done. Hatton will make 13.

Angel Manfredy
Genaro Hernandez
JC Castillo
Diego Corrales
Oscar de la Hoya
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Sharba Mitchell
Carlos Baldimar
Chop Chop Corley
Jesus Chavez
Goyo Vargas
Famoso Hernandez
Lets do the same thing that you just did to Jones resume k, and lets see what happens.

Manfredy was an average fighter who never won a major title.

Hernandez fought PBF in his last fight before he retired.

Corrales was about to go to jail and was having the personal problems of all personal problems

De La Hoya had only one fight in 3 yrs when he fought PBF

Judah was coming off a loss and his loss to PBF is in the middle of a 3 fight losing streak (how dubious is that?)

Gatti lost to every great fighter he ever fought and lost to some average journeyman as well.

Mitchell was shot as bad as McCallum was (McCallum BTW was not losing more than he was winning as you said, he was 6-1 in his last 7 fights including winning the WBC LHW title)

Baldomir was a journeyman who beat Judah, proving just how bad Judah has gotten.

Corley is a gate keeper

Vargas? LMAO....

And Hernandez (Carlos) is an average fighter who won a vacant belt, defended it once then lost it to Morales at the tail end of his career (Morales' career)

It's pretty easy to tear apart someones resume isn't it? Jones fought better opposition than PBF overall. He fought more champions overall. He defended his belts at LHW more than PBF has title defenses all together.

[Executioner]

True...."Rocky knew he wasn't the most talented or gifted fighter. This is why he pushed and challenged his body. Rocky's mind set was, you may be able to beat me, but you can't beat my body"

Great quote.:good

[Marc]

roy superman jones without a m'fukkin doubt. little boxing basics and relies on pure unreal athletic ability. once in alifetime talent.

[Alo2006]

Whitaker, Duran, Hamed, Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Louis seems to have all the complete package. Jones comes close but his chin is a little shaky when you compare it to the others.

How can u talk about Jones chin without talking about Hamed's butter biscuit chin :patsch

[Alo2006]

No order:

Ali
Jones
Mayweather
SRL
Whitaker

[MSTR]

Jones has fought BETTER overall opposition than Floyd Mayweather

Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Vinny Pazienza
Thulani Malinga
Otis Grant
Eric Lucas
Jorge Fernando Castro
Montell Griffin
John Ruiz
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
David Telesco

In that resume alone, there is 3 all time greats. Floyd has only fought one. Hopkins is better than De La Hoya, Toney is better than Castillo, McCallum is better than Corrales, and Hill is better than Judah, Hernandez, or Manfredy.

Jones defeated 17 world champions, 5 more than Mayweather's 12

In the Toney fight, Roy's movement, usage of angles, and handspeed befuddled Toney, preventing him from getting into a rythm and preventing him from getting off to counterpunch. Roy was simply not there to be hit and was too fast for James. James couldn't deal with the speed. Jones was a stylistic nightmare for James Toney. That was not the Toney who came into the Thadzi and Griffin fights - that was a motivated Toney who was beat by the better fighter.

Jones had Griffin out, but was disqualified for hitting him when he was down. And look what happened in the rematch...Montell was out in 1.

Jones fought the better fighters, had the better resume, and was the more talented fighter.

:deal

Couldn't have said it better

[HECDAWG]

Nobody will ever fight like RJJ again. His power, speed, and reflexes are above any other fighter u can think. Mayweather cant hold RJJ's jockstrap.

[TroubleLurks]

Shane Mosley. Now close this thread and lock it down.:vonnecunt

[MSTR]

They're still as good as most of Floyd's opposition or better for sure. And his top wins surpass Floyd's top wins.

Hopkins was a crude brawler? Really? This guy doesn't look like a crude brawler to me, he looks like a very skilled, technical boxer. This is all pre-RJJ.

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JOhn Ruiz was a Heavyweight champion, against a man who started out at JMW in Roy Jones. Any way you slice it, shutting out a HW champ at that size is awesome.
Famoso Hernandez, Goyo Vargas, Corley, and you're making fun of Roy's title wins? Manfredy was not that good either, and most seem to think he lost the first fight to Castillo.

Roy's second tier wins are at least as good, probably better, than Floyd's, and his top tier wins are definitely better. Not to mention he was clearly better in the ring.

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Thanks for the videos mate. Very good to watch.

[Stinky gloves]

Jones, Whitaker, Leonard, John Ruiz....all acceptable answers....

Ummm, wait a second.

Its really surprising some people putting Jones ahead of Ruiz:patsch

[ripcity]

Benny Leonard, Prenell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roy Jones Jr.

[McGrain]

I'd say the most natural i've ever seen is Prince Naseem. But Duran, Mayweather, SRR, SRL, RJJ, Tyson, Ali are all good picks.

[aliwasthegreatest]

rjj

[Butch Coolidge]

I think it would be a great possibility that a prime Sam Langford would tear a prime Roy Jones Jr. limb from limb.

But I'm not a boxing historian. That's just a hunch.