View Full Version : Most Talented Fighter of All Time: The Official Poll
This should give us some clear cut answers as to who people consider the number 1 of all time.
PATSYS
08-16-2007, 11:37 PM
WTF is Hamed doing in there
MagnificentMatt
08-16-2007, 11:39 PM
Damn...Heart said Tyson or Hagler, Brain said Sweet Pea....and i went with Sweet Pea haha.
WTF is Hamed doing in there
Don't ask me. Its not my opinion. People in the other thread were putting his name forward.
I chose SRR because he did not lack in any talent department in the fight game. His talent was as well rounded as any fighter in history if not moreso.
I dont disagree with those who chose RJJ. If we are talking raw, uncanny, just unorthodox athletic talent here RJJ was a freak.
Still, I dont think his talent base was as well rounded as SRR. He could and did do everything that one could do in a boxing ring, and did it as naturally as one could do it and with every bit of style.
All hail SRR. :happy
sues2nd
08-16-2007, 11:48 PM
2 people voted for Floyd....I give up honestly.
2 people voted for Floyd....I give up honestly.
Just a sign of being new to the fightgame, thats all.
Fedor Em
08-16-2007, 11:53 PM
It is an insult not to have Duran and Pep in this poll, but I would have to go with Sweet Pea with the choices given.
tays001
08-16-2007, 11:56 PM
It is an insult not to have Duran and Pep in this poll, but I would have to go with Sweet Pea with the choices given.
DID YOU SAY PEP:huh
WHAT ONLY BLACK FIGHTER CAN HAVE TALENT :-( :-( :-(
YOU MUST BE FRIENDS WITH DIPPER BROWN AND BIG TIME NINE:hey
It is an insult not to have Duran and Pep in this poll, but I would have to go with Sweet Pea with the choices given.
I was going off the answers given in the inital thread. I apologise that I didn't cater for everyones particular tastes, I was merely trying to reflect the answers that had already been given.
DID YOU SAY PEP:huh
WHAT ONLY BLACK FIGHTER CAN HAVE TALENT :-( :-( :-(
YOU MUST BE FRIENDS WITH DIPPER BROWN AND BIG TIME NINE:hey
I must have missed something. What did he say that was so wrong? :huh
lenin
08-16-2007, 11:59 PM
ma nephew
jecxbox
08-17-2007, 12:00 AM
Pernell Whitaker all the way!
tays001
08-17-2007, 12:03 AM
I must have missed something. What did he say that was so wrong? :huh
NOT YOU LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED (FEDOR EM) :good
lenin
08-17-2007, 12:12 AM
and it aint even close
kg0208
08-17-2007, 12:14 AM
Jones
jecxbox
08-17-2007, 12:17 AM
Whitaker's defense was straight up alien shit! NO ONE could touch this man! This man beat DLH at the later end of his career and he still couldn't be touched in their fight! sick!
Whitaker's defense was straight up alien shit!
:lol: :good
Fedor Em
08-17-2007, 12:24 AM
NOT YOU LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED (FEDOR EM) :good
Umm, so me thinking Duran and Pep should be on this poll makes me like Dipper and BigTime? :huh
jecxbox
08-17-2007, 12:25 AM
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Whitaker was the truth I don't know how anyone could compare Mayweather to him. Defensively they are not even close. Hand Speed Floyd could have been a little faster and Roy Jones obviously faster with power as well but Roys Offense was his Defence..Pernell Whitaker is what you call Text Book boxing at its best.
Umm, so me thinking Duran and Pep should be on this poll makes me like Dipper and BigTime? :huh
Sarcasm detected!
tays001
08-17-2007, 12:26 AM
:lol: :good
but jones was dam near invisaBLE CUZ HE NOT ONLY DUCKE AND DOGED BUT HIT YOU AT THE SAME TIME GREAST HIGHLIGHT PUNCH THE CHICKEN NO HANDS PUNCH. HELL THEY EVEN PUT IT IN FIGHT NIGHT.
ALSO THE MAN WAS LIGHTNING FAST IN DEFENSE AND ATTACK:good
kg0208
08-17-2007, 12:27 AM
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Whitaker was the truth I don't know how anyone could compare Mayweather to him. Defensively they are not even close. Hand Speed Floyd could have been a little faster and Roy Jones obviously faster with power as well but Roys Offense was his Defence..Pernell Whitaker is what you call Text Book boxing at its best.
Nah, Jones had amazing footwork and reflexes. His defense was that you couldn't hit him cleanly which set up his amazing counter punching.
tays001
08-17-2007, 12:28 AM
Umm, so me thinking Duran and Pep should be on this poll makes me like Dipper and BigTime? :huh
MY BAD MIS READ I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEY SHOULD NOT BE :shock: :dead
SORRY ABOUT THAT
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 12:28 AM
Same Whitaker that waited for JCC to get old before he fought him.
WHAT???
OMFG...first the Duran post now this....
FACT - JCC was the NUMBER 1 P4P fighter on the planet at that time.
FACT - JCC was UNDEFEATED at that time.
FACT - JCC was 31 years old at that time....31 is old??? :lol:
FACT - JCC fought for another 12 years after that fight.
FACT - JCC got a gift draw and got taken to school that night.
FACT - That statement of yours was fuckin ridiculous.
Whitaker fought an old JCC...you sound like guerrero_soul (and that is NOT a compliment)...
Ya probably think Chavez was robbed too or the draw was a good decision, dont ya?
:patsch
Nah, Jones had amazing footwork and reflexes. His defense was that you couldn't hit him cleanly which set up his amazing counter punching.
Agreed, too many attack Jones today by saying that his defense was subpar. Go back and watch video, the man was so busy mystifying people with his unorthodox and lightening fast punching that it didnt matter. Roy had people stuck on stupid, and in his day fighters barely wanted to come forward because they knew he was going to land 2 or 3 and then be somewhere else. Even Ruiz didnt want to engage. :deal
WHAT???
OMFG...first the Duran post now this....
FACT - JCC was the NUMBER 1 P4P fighter on the planet at that time.
FACT - JCC was UNDEFEATED at that time.
FACT - JCC was 31 years old at that time....31 is old??? :lol:
FACT - JCC fought for another 12 years after that fight.
FACT - JCC got a gift draw and got taken to school that night.
FACT - That statement of yours was fuckin ridiculous.
Whitaker fought an old JCC...you sound like guerrero_soul (and that is NOT a compliment)...
Ya probably think Chavez was robbed too or the draw was a good decision, dont ya?
:patsch
Pretty strong arguement.
Whitaker was the truth I don't know how anyone could compare Mayweather to him.
Pea did everything Floyd can do now and more... and without as many detours around the ring.
jecxbox
08-17-2007, 12:33 AM
Roy Jones intimidated the shit out of everyone he fought because the speed and power behind his counter shots...he was incredibly athletic and his body just produced incredible power...But Roy never really fought with a defensive mentality. Just about everyone he fought was chicken shit of him. And they paralyzed because of his speed. My point was that defensively Roy and Mayweather don't compare to Whitaker because he was so natural in there. Mayweather is the closest thing but if you can see when Mayweather gets under pressure he isn't natural about it. He panics and lets his legs take care of it but Whitaker could stand there right in front of you like a little snake slithering around your entire combination.
kg0208
08-17-2007, 12:37 AM
Roy Jones intimidated the shit out of everyone he fought because the speed and power behind his counter shots...he was incredibly athletic and his body just produced incredible power...But Roy never really fought with a defensive mentality. Just about everyone he fought was chicken shit of him. And they paralyzed because of his speed. My point was that defensively Roy and Mayweather don't compare to Whitaker because he was so natural in there. Mayweather is the closest thing but if you can see when Mayweather gets under pressure he isn't natural about it. He panics and lets his legs take care of it but Whitaker could stand there right in front of you like a little snake slithering around your entire combination.
Well no, Jones is not as good defensively as Whitaker. Only 2 or 3 fighters ever are.
But Jones was better offensively overall because of his power, even thought Pea was great offensively.
Jones had great defense. Look at how many people swung at Jones and missed. Even Hopkins had a tough time hitting Jones, and that was a more aggressive Hopkins.
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 12:40 AM
Nah Pernell won that fight...MR. Pernell "When the time is right I'll fight JCC"
At 31 JCC was at not as his peak..theres no denying that.
This is a well known fact.:huh That Pernell delayed this fight
:patsch
Wow...Im gonna leave this alone....so much misinformation in such a small post. All I can say is wow....
I think ya need to check your facts here bro....:-(
jecxbox
08-17-2007, 12:41 AM
Well no, Jones is not as good defensively as Whitaker. Only 2 or 3 fighters ever are.
But Jones was better offensively overall because of his power, even thought Pea was great offensively.
Jones had great defense. Look at how many people swung at Jones and missed. Even Hopkins had a tough time hitting Jones, and that was a more aggressive Hopkins.
I agree..Basically both Whitaker and Jones were INCREDIBLE at their main strength even though they did everything great.
Jones had freakish Offense with a great defense.
Whitaker had freakish Defense with a great offense.
:good
kg0208
08-17-2007, 12:42 AM
Nah Pernell won that fight...MR. Pernell "When the time is right I'll fight JCC"
At 31 JCC was at not as his peak..theres no denying that.
This is a well known fact.:huh That Pernell delayed this fight
Well known fact by whom?
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 12:43 AM
Well known fact by whom?
Him and guerrero_soul....:rofl :rofl :rofl
andyZOR
08-17-2007, 12:44 AM
Hamed is there but Ali's not...sad
Thats what I was wondering. But anyways, my vote goes to him.
The fact that Floyd has 3 votes to SRRīs one vote (tied with Naseem :-( ) is a sad commentary on the posters of ESB.
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 12:49 AM
The fact that Floyd has 3 votes to SRRīs one vote (tied with Naseem :-( ) is a sad commentary on the posters of ESB.
It shows that at least 3 people who have viewed this post just started watching boxing maaaaaaaaaaaaybe 2 years ago.
Like I said about the same subject....
2 people voted for Floyd....I give up honestly.
Again...I give up....:verysad
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 12:49 AM
who accidentally clicked hamed?
and even more puzzling, why was his name accidentally included as an option? :?
who accidentally clicked hamed?
and even more puzzling, why was his name accidentally included as an option? :?
I think the OP just threw in names that were in the original thread. Its not a great list but with the amount of idiocy here on ESB it really would matter anyways.
tays001
08-17-2007, 12:53 AM
Well no, Jones is not as good defensively as Whitaker. Only 2 or 3 fighters ever are.
But Jones was better offensively overall because of his power, even thought Pea was great offensively.
Jones had great defense. Look at how many people swung at Jones and missed. Even Hopkins had a tough time hitting Jones, and that was a more aggressive Hopkins.
NAH JONE S NISN'T AS GOOD AS PEA BUT PEP SHITS ON PEA :hey
kg0208
08-17-2007, 12:57 AM
NAH JONE S NISN'T AS GOOD AS PEA BUT PEP SHITS ON PEA :hey
I don't know that Pep shits on Pea. His style was different.
tays001
08-17-2007, 12:59 AM
Hey Why Are You Ragging On Them Anyways. If They Are New Who Care At Leat Were Getting More Fans
UNKNOWLEDGABLE YES BUT HEY AS LONG AS THEY WATCH FINE WITH ME
kg0208
08-17-2007, 01:01 AM
Wacth the Taylor/JCC Special on ESPN
I have seen it. I don't recall them saying he was past it.
And even if they did, many thought otherwise.
Wacth the Taylor/JCC Special on ESPN
Are you talking about Legendary Nights on HBO? If so I think your wrong.
Anyways Chimba if he was so passed it how come his record was so damm good?
brooklyn1550
08-17-2007, 01:03 AM
Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
In second place comes Roy Jones, Jr.
kg0208
08-17-2007, 01:07 AM
I mean I think the Guy was 88-0 fighting the best..At some point he will lose..and Pea was great Im not denying that.. but This aint the same JCC that was demolishing Gayweather ancestors
He didn't fight Pea at his best weight either. So I guess that kinda evens it up.
Mind Reader
08-17-2007, 01:07 AM
I have never seen the natural talent Jones had, probably wont for a long time.
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 01:08 AM
Anyways Chimba if he was so passed it how come his record was so damm good?
31 years old....87-0 (73 KOs). #1 P4P fighter alive. And he was past it, old and on the decline.
:patsch
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 01:15 AM
Whats your point..I never said he was past it.. Fact is he was better at 27 with the same undefeated record.:patsch
And so your saying also that at 27, Pea should have fought him then...?
So that would make Pernell was 25 and had a record of 16-1??? SO THIS IS WHEN PERNELL DUCKED CHAVEZ????
:huh
16-1 (even tho the 1 was one of the most disgusting robberies in the history of the sport) and you think he had the choice to fight the #1 p4p fighter in the world????
:huh
Your serious?
-edit-
SHIT YEAH!!!!! I JUST MADE IT TO 2000 POSTS!!!! Can I be officially inducted into the no life club now???
:happy :happy :happy
Unchained
08-17-2007, 01:35 AM
I just voted for Iron Mike, but where the hell is Muhammed Ali!?:patsch
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 01:36 AM
Seriously..Im addicted to this thing...Congrats :happy
LOL...arent we all....and thanks bro!!! :good
ruizfan
08-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Hamed is there but Ali's not...sad
Sure is. About the poll, i picked Roy.
sues2nd
08-17-2007, 01:50 AM
Just noticed that SRL has less votes than PBF....again, I give up....
4Rounder
08-17-2007, 01:52 AM
I voted for RJJ, the guy was a beast inside the ropes.:thumbsup
Can't say much about Whitaker since I haven't seem enough of his fights but JCC/Whitaker I did watch and I stand by it, it was a draw.:deal
ripcity
08-17-2007, 02:00 AM
My "official" vote went to Whitaker. My Real vote goes to Benny Leonard he defently had as much talant as anyone else in history.
Whitaker beat Chavez wasn't even close. Chavez was in his prime but you could make an argument that he was over protected after he fought Taylor. Whitaker's preformance during that fight is still one of the most impresive of all time.:bbb
gatorage
08-17-2007, 05:16 AM
Gonna get hammered for this but I actually think a young Tszyu was the best boxer I'd ever seen.
By the end of his career he'd become one-dimensional with overuse of his power but his amateur career and very early pro fights he had everything a boxer could want.
Teddy Atlas and Chris Byrd both said an amateur Tszyu was the best boxer they'd seen.
Ironically coming into the pro ranks he was known for subtle head movement, hooking off the jab and power in his left ... a far cry from the stationery power-puncher with a lethal right that he is commonly associated with now.
He was the boxer the other boxers like De La Hoya and Mosely watched.
Bit of a left field addition but if we're talking pure talent, he's up there.
Gonna get hammered for this but I actually think a young Tszyu was the best boxer I'd ever seen.
By the end of his career he'd become one-dimensional with overuse of his power but his amateur career and very early pro fights he had everything a boxer could want.
Teddy Atlas and Chris Byrd both said an amateur Tszyu was the best boxer they'd seen.
Ironically coming into the pro ranks he was known for subtle head movement, hooking off the jab and power in his left ... a far cry from the stationery power-puncher with a lethal right that he is commonly associated with now.
He was the boxer the other boxers like De La Hoya and Mosely watched.
Bit of a left field addition but if we're talking pure talent, he's up there.
:good
Good post mate. I agree, and actually think he was still that same boxer in the pros, just to a lessor extent. He became a very rugged, tenacious and physical fighter in the pros which is how he was able to wear down guys who were faster then him. KT's biggest problem was his ego. He wouldn't fight smart fights against guys who were stronger then him. He was extremely talented in his prime though, however I don't think I would ever say the most talented.
HopkinsFan
08-17-2007, 05:47 AM
Voted Jones Jr and i agree that Ali should be in the mix of things here... :S
doknochrisan
08-17-2007, 06:30 AM
SRL, speed, power, ring smarts...
MJRJJ23
08-17-2007, 06:37 AM
Also voted for Jones Jr. With Pea a close second. After watching that Pea HL vid along with some of the fights I seen on youtube, I was absolutely amazed on how the HELL he dodged some of those punches. Pea was the Matrix before Keanu Reeves. Pea took the red pill. Anyway about the Mayweather/Pea/Jones Jr. defense argument Pea is definitly superior to both of those. Mayweather gets hit more often but uses his arms and shoulders to block alot of punches and he Rolls with punches VERY well. Jones also rolled with punches well and was usually at a good distance. Pea could be sitting in your lap and you throw 100 punches and he could somehow dodge them all. Its not even fair. Also seems a little more power than I first thought. I'm sad I missed boxing in Pea's era damn parents needed to do the deed couple years earlier
WhataRock
08-17-2007, 06:45 AM
Honestly I think Duran @ lightweight was. With SRR, Roy Jones and SRL not far behind him. Guys like Tyson, Pac, Sweet Pea, Hamed, Pep, Jofre and Chavez, among others, not far behind that lot.
My application of the term "talented fighter" is different to most, A lot of guys consider a really athletic fighter to epitomize talent but its not how I just think of it. Athleticism is a big part of it but I look at natural ability to absorb punishment and go for the kill. I include strength, ring smarts and a natural aptitude to master the offensive and defensive skills in boxing in my criteria.
And I think a prime Duran has all that.
Being a great fighter and boxer takes more than speed, athleticism and flash.
Hamed is there but Ali's not...sad
QFT
MJRJJ23
08-17-2007, 06:56 AM
Honestly I think Duran @ lightweight was. With SRR, Roy Jones and SRL not far behind him. Guys like Tyson, Pac, Sweet Pea, Hamed, Pep, Jofre and Chavez, among others, not far behind that lot.
My application of the term "talented fighter" is different to most, A lot of guys consider a really athletic fighter to epitomize talent but its not how I just think of it. Athleticism is a big part of it but I look at natural ability to absorb punishment and go for the kill. I include strength, ring smarts and a natural aptitude to master the offensive and defensive skills in boxing in my criteria.
And I think a prime Duran has all that.
Being a great fighter and boxer takes more than speed, athleticism and flash.
I agree with some of your statements except one, I dont believe strenght should be included in discussing talent. You can be the strongest man alive and have 0 talent. I agree with the other attributes. Its hard to really define talent. Alot of people will see talent in other ways, I see it as the boxer that can get away with stuff that there not supposed to be able to get away with thus why I picked Jones Jr. Btw can't argue about a Prime Duran though :bbb
WhataRock
08-17-2007, 07:02 AM
I agree with some of your statements except one, I dont believe strenght should be included in discussing talent. You can be the strongest man alive and have 0 talent. I agree with the other attributes. Its hard to really define talent. Alot of people will see talent in other ways, I see it as the boxer that can get away with stuff that there not supposed to be able to get away with thus why I picked Jones Jr. Btw can't argue about a Prime Duran though :bbb
What I mean by that is the ability to push around or not be pushed around.
To use your strength in a smart way to win a fight.
Its a debatable one, I know what I mean by it but its hard to get the point across.
I think strength can be a physical attribute that can help greatly in boxing and some guys are born with more than others.
MJRJJ23
08-17-2007, 07:10 AM
What I mean by that is the ability to push around or not be pushed around.
To use your strength in a smart way to win a fight.
Its a debatable one, I know what I mean by it but its hard to get the point across.
I think strength can be a physical attribute that can help greatly in boxing and some guys are born with more than others.
Ohh I understand what your saying. Like you said its debatable, depending on how you classify talent. Some see it one way some see it another. I wouldn't mind having a 1/10th of talent either one of them had :shock:
Honestly I think Duran @ lightweight was. With SRR, Roy Jones and SRL not far behind him. Guys like Tyson, Pac, Sweet Pea, Hamed, Pep, Jofre and Chavez, among others, not far behind that lot.
My application of the term "talented fighter" is different to most, A lot of guys consider a really athletic fighter to epitomize talent but its not how I just think of it. Athleticism is a big part of it but I look at natural ability to absorb punishment and go for the kill. I include strength, ring smarts and a natural aptitude to master the offensive and defensive skills in boxing in my criteria.
And I think a prime Duran has all that.
Being a great fighter and boxer takes more than speed, athleticism and flash.
If Duran was the same weight as Roy, IMO Roy would beat him very badly. Roy was just too hard to catch coming in. You could never predict where his punches where going to come from. He would leap in with combinations, change the range and pace on his shots mid combo, and he had brutal power for a guy with his speed.
Duran was a great no doubt, but his strength wouldn't be effective against a guy like Roy. Watch the way Roy fought toney. The movement and the speed he used. If he fought like this against Duran could you really see Duran winning?
In terms of measuring raw talent yes strength is a factor. But the biggest thing is raw athleticism IMO, and Roy had an abundance. His technical ability is vastly under rated also. The guy could do things that were just dead set unheard of. It was mind boggling to watch.
Fighters who were fast traditionally fight much like Mayweather, picking their shots. Roy would throw all power punches at times, and from all sorts of angles. Watching him change stance and throw punches from all angles all at full speed (like in the Panzienza fight) was a thing of beauty.
I doubt that we will ever again see a fighter as good as Roy Jones in the boxing ring. The thing that impressed me most with Roy was how natural he was in the ring. You could tell he never tried to force a fight, he just went into the zone and let his instincts take over.
Zakman
08-17-2007, 07:16 AM
Rpy Jones kicking Sugar Ray Robinson's ass?? Heck, I wouldn't even put him above Sugar Ray Leonard!!
This poll is a JOKE. THe fanboys must be out in full force, stuffing the ballot box!!
KO Boxing
08-17-2007, 07:19 AM
I got Roy. Very closely followed by Pea. And believe it or not, Tyson in next... And why no Ali? Probably deserves a mention... At least over Hamed!
Funny how the poll is very heavilly favoured in Roy's favour, yet Roy isn't considered Top ten, even Top 20 (or 30) by most...
Not saying that he should be. I read a post just before (think by Requiem) where he mentioned that for somone like Floyd to match someone like Robinson in terms of accomplishment, he would have to have fought Freitas and Casamayor at superfeatherweight, Spadafora and Stevie Johnston at lightweight, possibly Mosely at lightweight too, and Tsyu at light welterweight. Plus move up to welterweight and take on the best there...
And he's right!
Can you honestly imagine anyone in today's world of boxing that would ever do something... Or even attempt something like that? Money, business, promoters, managers... The game's changed, and for that, despite the fact that the athletes are arguably more talented, they still can't be rated as better than those of yesteryear.
I like Bert Sugar's approach to ranking all time, by ranking a fighter based on how dominant he was in his particular era, taking into account that era's level of competition.
jyuza
08-17-2007, 07:41 AM
Where is Ali ?
Anyway, I voted Jones Jr.
China_hand_Joe
08-17-2007, 08:18 AM
Taylor and Chavez should be nowhere near that poll.
KO Boxing
08-17-2007, 08:20 AM
Taylor and Chavez should be nowhere near that poll.
In terms of natural talent, Taylor was EXTREMELY talented. I don't think he's the most talented of all time, and probably agree that he shouldn't be on this list. But hey, hamed is! I still can't get over that... And I reckon Hamed was an awesome fighter
China_hand_Joe
08-17-2007, 08:22 AM
Taylor is a slapper similar to Calzaghe but is inferior in every way, except on par speed wise perhaps. He is extremely talented though I agree.
A poor mans Joe Calzaghe is still world class.
Pimp C
08-17-2007, 10:47 AM
RJJ hands down.:deal
China_hand_Joe
08-17-2007, 10:51 AM
He was MUCH faster in his prime than Calzaghe, and every bit as skilled. He didn't accoimplish as much obviously, but prime for prime, he was just as good at least.He was a lighter fighter, Calzaghe's inverse P4P speed was as good.
He had not more of a speed advantage against his peers than Calzaghe.
Rumsfeld
08-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Rpy Jones kicking Sugar Ray Robinson's ass?? Heck, I wouldn't even put him above Sugar Ray Leonard!!
This poll is a JOKE. THe fanboys must be out in full force, stuffing the ballot box!!
Indeed, this poll IS a joke!
:-(
DoumB
08-17-2007, 01:18 PM
I must have missed something. What did he say that was so wrong? :huh
yeah man wtf? lol
Indeed, this poll IS a joke!
:-(
Guys to reiterate once again:twisted:
I ran a thread with the same name, and it went for 5 pages before I made this poll. I simply picked the names for the poll that people were putting forwards. I wouldn't ever pick hamed or even chavez or even Taylor for that matter, but I put them in their based on the opinions of others.
The one i did miss from the thread was Ali, so for that guys I apologise. Unfortunately I couldn't edit the poll once I had posted it. There are still plenty of good fighters there, so stop being so pedantic and just pick one FFS.
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 04:36 PM
Guys to reiterate once again:twisted:
I ran a thread with the same name, and it went for 5 pages before I made this poll. I simply picked the names for the poll that people were putting forwards. I wouldn't ever pick hamed or even chavez or even Taylor for that matter, but I put them in their based on the opinions of others.
The one i did miss from the thread was Ali, so for that guys I apologise. Unfortunately I couldn't edit the poll once I had posted it. There are still plenty of good fighters there, so stop being so pedantic and just pick one FFS.
even so bro, you could have exercised the good judgment to ignore the mention of hamed's name when compiling the list. all you've done is given four (so far) jackasses an opportunity to snicker behind their monitors at how much they're pissing the rest of us off.
BaronBrad
08-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Why do people include the term "official poll" in their threads????
More importantly, why do you include Hameed in your list of choices? If you're going to have him then surely you need Barrera?? For a joke I voted for Barrera but, so did 5 people before me.
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Hopkins . That's why he's still winning at 42 . Pure talent ! the most underrated fighter of all time !
You've probably got a strong case for most underrated. I don't know about most talented...
Marciano Frazier
08-17-2007, 05:53 PM
Do you really think there's only been one fighter worthy of inclusion on this list whose prime wasn't in the last 25 years?
TIGEREDGE
08-17-2007, 05:56 PM
jONES HAD THE TALENT HE JUST NEVER HAD CHIN AND HEART
Ray robinson because of attributes
TIGEREDGE
08-17-2007, 05:57 PM
Whoever voted for naseem doesn't know about boxing
Belanio
08-17-2007, 06:05 PM
Teofilo Stevenson!
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 06:18 PM
Hamed is the most overrated fighter of all time by far.
He's a B- fighter and people actually vote for him in a poll like this. Why the fuck is he in the poll in the first place. Pacquai, Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez couldn't of all beat him.
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 06:19 PM
Hamed is the most overrated fighter of all time by far.
Tie with Liddell. :yep
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 06:21 PM
Tie with Liddell. :yep
No one matches Hamed in terms of overrated boxers.
Hamed was barely "good" and he gets put in a poll like this.
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 06:24 PM
:piss Hamed
:piss BaronBrad ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss Bentref ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss McGrain ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss Mpower ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss psykoerik1 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss samita ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss tobkhan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) :piss yesihavearm ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
What the fuck were you guys thinking.
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 06:26 PM
Whoever voted for naseem doesn't know about boxing
Lord bless you for that smart answer.
:good :good :good :good :good :good
I used to like Hamed too.
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 06:29 PM
No one matches Hamed in terms of overrated boxers.
Hamed was barely "good" and he gets put in a poll like this.
True, true. It still makes me angry, I can't help it. And my inability to protect my emotional well-being from the Internet just makes me even angrier. :yep
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 06:30 PM
:piss Hamed
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What the fuck were you guys thinking.
McGrain obviously had to be dicking around, to say that he's smarter than that is an understatement. Don't think I even know the rest of these cats...except maybe tobkhan, isn't he a Sam Peter hugger? Eh, regardless, anyone who made that pick seriously is either a bitter Brit or functionally clueless (not that the two are mutually exclusive).
Alo2006
08-17-2007, 06:48 PM
Some tough choices, but I picked Jones.
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 06:57 PM
True, true. It still makes me angry, I can't help it. And my inability to protect my emotional well-being from the Internet just makes me even angrier. :yep
Man I used to like Hamed because I thought it was funny how he was always screwing around in the ring and dancing and shit like that. But then I saw how many nuthuggers he has. The guy has little skill that only think that saved him was he had power. Which is also overrated by a lot.
Man reading post that anyone calls Hamed great just makes me mad. And someone actully thinks he is the most skilled?? I can probably named 200 boxers of the top of my head that had more skill than Hamed P4P.
I fucking hate the bastard and not because of him either. Its the damn huggers.
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 06:58 PM
McGrain obviously had to be dicking around, to say that he's smarter than that is an understatement. Don't think I even know the rest of these cats...except maybe tobkhan, isn't he a Sam Peter hugger? Eh, regardless, anyone who made that pick seriously is either a bitter Brit or functionally clueless (not that the two are mutually exclusive).
Maybe McGrain voted for Hamed to be sarcastic. I can't think of any other damn good reason why anyone would anyway.
Also I know this is a SHIT poll but Mosley and Hopkins could be put in there. I prime Mosley was as skilled as anyone can be.
IntentionalButt
08-17-2007, 07:02 PM
Maybe McGrain voted for Hamed to be sarcastic. I can't think of any other damn good reason why anyone would anyway.
Also I know this is a SHIT poll but Mosley and Hopkins could be put in there. I prime Mosley was as skilled as anyone can be.
Shane and Bernard fit just as easily as anyone else up there, absolutely. And to imagine that either of them prime4prime p4p head2head, would not use their surplus of talent to thoroughly embarrass Hamed worse than Barrera did...c'est impossible!
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 07:06 PM
Shane and Bernard fit just as easily as anyone else up there, absolutely. And to imagine that either of them prime4prime p4p head2head, would not use their surplus of talent to thoroughly embarrass Hamed worse than Barrera did...c'est impossible!
I'd pick Gatti to embarrass Hamed P4P.
robert ungurean
08-17-2007, 07:34 PM
Your selection of fighters to vote from did not include enough fighters from different era's. Way to many modern fighters that are nowhere near being most talented ever.:huh
Maybe McGrain voted for Hamed to be sarcastic. I can't think of any other damn good reason why anyone would anyway.
Also I know this is a SHIT poll but Mosley and Hopkins could be put in there. I prime Mosley was as skilled as anyone can be.
Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and took the time to read the whole thread, you might realise why these options are there...
Napoleon
08-17-2007, 08:23 PM
Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and took the time to read the whole thread, you might realise why these options are there...
I know they're there because you took them from ones the were nominated in the other thread. Which is why i'm talking shit about Hamed. Why the fuck would anyone nominate him.
Rollo
08-17-2007, 08:55 PM
The list seems to indicate that boxing started around 1980.
I know they're there because you took them from ones the were nominated in the other thread. Which is why i'm talking shit about Hamed. Why the fuck would anyone nominate him.
WHo knows. My best guess is that people think he was supremely talented, but lazy in the ring, and wasted his god given gifts. For the record, posters like McGrain were actually serious, as they have validated their point in the other thread. I certainly don't agree, I think he got credit for his unorthadox style more then anything, but people are entitled to their opinion. Once again, I apologise for the more knowledgable posters here that the thread didn't inculde more fighters from a range of era's. My rational is that based on talent alone, the fighters of previous eras would struggle to compete with the advancements in both boxing and sports science. Remeber we are measuring talent here not resume or ability in their respective era. Still, i was trying to leave my own personal bias out of it as much as possible by including peoples suggestions from the other thread. I am sure that if i ran the initial thread in the classic forum, the poll would have been very different.
jecxbox
08-18-2007, 03:40 PM
Hmmm...11 people have mental issues.
IntentionalButt
08-18-2007, 03:42 PM
Close this fucking thing.
red cobra
08-18-2007, 04:08 PM
Yeah, Hamed is listed but Barrerra isnt? It is fan-boy day.
EL BULLY
08-18-2007, 05:00 PM
Worst poll ever!
By the way I voted SRR
The options look like they were posted by someone who's been following boxing for about 5 minutes and read an old ring magazine.
Hamed?
Mayweather??
Meldrick Fucking Taylor???
Yougotabekiddingme!:huh :-( :-( :huh :scaredas:
WTF is Hamed doing in there
Exactly, Hamed there but no Ali? :patsch
klion22
08-18-2007, 05:48 PM
RJJ. In his prime, his hand speed was faster than anyone in boxing. And his reflexes were amazing. Even at age 38, he still has blazing hand speed.
achillesthegreat
08-18-2007, 06:13 PM
Fucking tough choice but I'll say Roy Jones.
One of the fastest ever whether its P4P or real speed. Some of the best reflexes ever. What makes it worse is his speed to power ratio could be criminal. Strength is a point open to debate but I don't remember him ever really being thrown around by big strong guys like Hopkins or Ruiz.
So fast feet, fast hands, great reflexes, good power and hes quite strong. He's also very agile, co-ordinated and generally athletic.
hobgoblin
08-18-2007, 07:05 PM
none of them. muhammad ali is number one physically then mike tyson. if you include mind & body - tyson doesn't make top 10 because his strategic mind is so bad.
MUHAMMAD ALI - most physically talented fighter of all time.
klion22
08-18-2007, 07:12 PM
none of them. muhammad ali is number one physically then mike tyson. if you include mind & body - tyson doesn't make top 10 because his strategic mind is so bad.
MUHAMMAD ALI - most physically talented fighter of all time.
You mentioned his "mind". Well, this question about raw, athletic talent.
DanePugilist
08-18-2007, 07:17 PM
Almost impossible to say. I went for RJJ, but could just as easily named the Sugars or Hagler and Sweet Pea.
JAM Killer
08-18-2007, 07:34 PM
It depends on what you consider talent. I consider talent to be a mixture of skill and natural ability, and saying that Ray Robinson takes the cake.
If you want to know who I think is the most athletic fighter with the most natual ability I would say Roy Jones Jr.
Outboxer
08-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Feel free to say Hamed wasn't an elite fighter, but to deny he was one of the most talented people to step into the ring is silly.
He had concussive power in both hands, excellent speed (particularly at bantam, where a lot of people haven't bothered to watch him fight) and reflexes that were lightning, enabling him to use simple head/body swaying for defense, like RJJ and Ali. He had a LOT of raw talent.
This poll, however, is missing a lot of people. For example, where is Hearns or Ali?
Marciano Frazier
08-18-2007, 09:06 PM
The list seems to indicate that boxing started around 1980. Exactly. Where's Willie Pep? Joe Louis? Sam Langford? Henry Armstrong? Muhammad Ali? Roberto Duran? Jack Dempsey? Harry Greb? Ezzard Charles? Does the starter of this thread seriously think that guys like Meldrick Taylor and Naseem Hamed should be included instead of them???
PH|LLA
08-18-2007, 09:09 PM
since i'm too young to have followed SRR ill have to say RJJ
Senya13
08-18-2007, 10:07 PM
1) Roy Jones Jr
2) Joe Gans
3) Sugar Ray Robinson
Why ? Because you've got a man crush on Roy Jones and you don't want to admit the truth . You where sooo impressed with his speed and flashy movement that you didn't see that he was a poser all along . Just a great athlete with no tried and true boxing skills .... A proven , chinless bum with a god complex ! Guys like Toney and Hopkins that kick ass ! Win or lose , fat or old in any weight class ! Whatever , That's real talent !
:rofl
:patsch:patsch:patsch
Worst poll ever!
By the way I voted SRR
The options look like they were posted by someone who's been following boxing for about 5 minutes and read an old ring magazine.
Hamed?
Mayweather??
Meldrick Fucking Taylor???
Yougotabekiddingme!:huh :-( :-( :huh :scaredas:
Read the whole thread retard, then maybe you might understand. I wasn't putting fighters there who I believed are the most physically gifted.
:patsch
precision
08-18-2007, 10:49 PM
roy jones jr
WHo knows. My best guess is that people think he was supremely talented, but lazy in the ring, and wasted his god given gifts. For the record, posters like McGrain were actually serious, as they have validated their point in the other thread. I certainly don't agree, I think he got credit for his unorthadox style more then anything, but people are entitled to their opinion. Once again, I apologise for the more knowledgable posters here that the thread didn't inculde more fighters from a range of era's. My rational is that based on talent alone, the fighters of previous eras would struggle to compete with the advancements in both boxing and sports science. Remeber we are measuring talent here not resume or ability in their respective era. Still, i was trying to leave my own personal bias out of it as much as possible by including peoples suggestions from the other thread. I am sure that if i ran the initial thread in the classic forum, the poll would have been very different.
Here it is once again. I posted the answers given IN THE INITIAL THREAD. GET OVER IT FFS:twisted:... If you don't like the options too bad, they were the names people where nominating.
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