Sherdog's NEW P4P Top Ten! [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

Mob

02-03-2009, 09:30 PM

Addie

02-03-2009, 09:33 PM

Ok..ok, now their top 5 I don't have a problem with. But the rest of this is utter shit.

1. Andersen Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. BJ
5. Miguel Torres
6. Rashad Evans
7. Forrest Griffin
8. Rampage
9. Thiago Alves
10. Mike Thomas Brown

I'm not huge on MMA, but I watch all the UFC events.

How can BJ still be at 4 when he was just outclassed. He wasn't even competitive.

chimba

02-03-2009, 09:37 PM

I'm not huge on MMA, but I watch all the UFC events.

How can BJ still be at 4 when he was just outclassed. He wasn't even competitive.

I thought you knew boxing? P4p list? You know smaller man dominates his division.. but moves out of his comfort zone to test himself in a heavier division. And when he loses does that mean hes not good in LW anymore? Go back to the boxing forum

Mob

02-03-2009, 09:42 PM

I'm not huge on MMA, but I watch all the UFC events.

How can BJ still be at 4 when he was just outclassed. He wasn't even competitive.

If you know anything, you know that great big man usually beats great littler man. Ya know?

chimba

02-03-2009, 09:44 PM

Anyway second part of this list is complete shit..Wheres Machida?

Forrest ? hahaha RAmpage??(big maybe) Id put Kenflo over both

LONE WOLF

02-03-2009, 09:47 PM

Uhm first part is complete shit too. Fedor is clearly number one and not GSP or Silva. Who the hell has Silva fought lately? How many loses did both of the guys have to a bunch of cans?

chimba

02-03-2009, 09:50 PM

Yup didnt notice that, Im just happy with the four on top. Who cares what order. But yeah Fedor should be number 1. Silva cleaned out the division and made everyone looked B level, Its so hard to judge him because hes so much better than anyone in the division.

Him and GSP should be interchangable

Addie

02-03-2009, 10:18 PM

I thought you knew boxing? P4p list? You know smaller man dominates his division.. but moves out of his comfort zone to test himself in a heavier division. And when he loses does that mean hes not good in LW anymore? Go back to the boxing forum

had Manny Pacquiao lost to De La Hoya in brutal fashion, not having been competitive at all, Marquez would have been my new number 1.

Even if BP is a Lightweight and moved to Welterweight to take on one of the best in the sport, if he loses and doesn't remain competitive during any of it, He won't be as high as 4. Like I said, I don't know MMA really well so permission to set the record straight, just don't shoot me down.

Rashad Evans and Griffin in the top 10? I would have Machida and Florion above them both.

chimba

02-03-2009, 10:28 PM

had Manny Pacquiao lost to De La Hoya in brutal fashion, not having been competitive at all, Marquez would have been my new number 1.

Even if BP is a Lightweight and moved to Welterweight to take on one of the best in the sport, if he loses and doesn't remain competitive during any of it, He won't be as high as 4. Like I said, I don't know MMA really well so permission to set the record straight, just don't shoot me down.

Rashad Evans and Griffin in the top 10? I would have Machida and Florion above them both.

Just busting your chops :lol: I think MMA is a bit diff than boxing because the weight classes have larger weight gaps like LW 155 to WW 170.

Jumping weight is no easy task. In Boxing most go up incrementally (That Pac/DLH fight was a circus anomaly)

Another thing is in MMA you can clearly dominate a division because theres no alphabet belts, a LW champ like BJ is undisputed. He has dominated his weightclass, unlike Pacquaio who hasnt even fought at 140 and once at 135, hes dominated nothing :lol:

Addie

02-03-2009, 10:48 PM

Just busting your chops :lol: I think MMA is a bit diff than boxing because the weight classes have larger weight gaps like LW 155 to WW 170.

Jumping weight is no easy task. In Boxing most go up incrementally (That Pac/DLH fight was a circus anomaly)

Another thing is in MMA you can clearly dominate a division because theres no alphabet belts, a LW champ like BJ is undisputed. He has dominated his weightclass, unlike Pacquaio who hasnt even fought at 140 and once at 135, hes dominated nothing :lol:

You know the point I was making.

Joe Calzaghe moving up to Light Heavy to take on Hopkins. If he lost, he would have been outside the top 7 P4P.

Having a fighter who just got their ass handed to them in the top 4 P4P just seems weird to me. Beating Pulver was a formality, and Stevenson isn't a world beater.

chimba

02-03-2009, 11:00 PM

You know the point I was making.

Joe Calzaghe moving up to Light Heavy to take on Hopkins. If he lost, he would have been outside the top 7 P4P.

Having a fighter who just got their ass handed to them in the top 4 P4P just seems weird to me. Beating Pulver was a formality, and Stevenson isn't a world beater.

Yeah but the point is its harder to move up in weight in MMA than in Boxing. Guys like Kenflo started his career in LW and will finish it there. In Boxing that would have been impossible. Another thing is the top 4 in MMa has distanced themselves from the rest. BJ is a monster at LW, to put it in perspective, he dominates his weight like no boxer dominates his weight class now.

Spunik

02-03-2009, 11:54 PM

KenFlo will give GSP some troubles.....It will be a very competitive fight

BoxingWM

02-04-2009, 01:34 AM

Fedor at number 3 is just laughable... the guy never really lost, he is 7-0 against UFC heavyweight champions and just dispatched 2 of them in 1 round. Do they hate him at Sherdog for some reason?

Kairos

02-04-2009, 03:08 AM

I wouldn't put BJ in the top 6 p4p and Forrest lmao, that guy just wins because he's big and he's a good fighter.

ufoalf

02-04-2009, 04:12 AM

I wouldn't put BJ in the top 6 p4p and Forrest lmao, that guy just wins because he's big and he's a good fighter.

Yep, nothing like any other p4p fighter on that list.

Tyga

02-04-2009, 04:17 AM

I think Fedor should be number one. And I wouldn't put Griffin in the top ten.

boxingcar

02-04-2009, 11:45 AM

Yes Emelianenko should be # 1 but...oh well , it's sherdog's list. Their team , their opinion. Sherdog's writters aren't the "voice" of the entire sport.

Addie

02-04-2009, 12:55 PM

Yeah but the point is its harder to move up in weight in MMA than in Boxing. Guys like Kenflo started his career in LW and will finish it there. In Boxing that would have been impossible. Another thing is the top 4 in MMa has distanced themselves from the rest. BJ is a monster at LW, to put it in perspective, he dominates his weight like no boxer dominates his weight class now.

BJ didn't fight Sherk or Kenflo?

rydersonthestorm

02-04-2009, 12:58 PM

BJ didn't fight Sherk or Kenflo?
are you sure he never fought sherk or did you just miss that ufc:huh

Addie

02-04-2009, 01:01 PM

are you sure he never fought sherk or did you just miss that ufc:huh

Yeah, I thought he beat Sherk but I wasn't certain.

The guy says he dominated LW but he has never fought and beat Kenflo.

jsalerno

02-05-2009, 12:53 AM

Bullshit.....fedor clearly is 1 as for GSP and Silva its close - the rest arnt worth a mention.

Weber

02-05-2009, 10:26 AM

Retarded list. You cannot make a (solid) argument for Fedor not being no. 1.

Keep in mind that he is a rather small heavyweight fighter.

Rico Spadafora

02-05-2009, 11:05 AM

RUSKULL

02-05-2009, 01:18 PM

Uhm first part is complete shit too. Fedor is clearly number one and not GSP or Silva. Who the hell has Silva fought lately? How many loses did both of the guys have to a bunch of cans?

Fedor is clearly #1 on any serious list. It's a toss-up between GSP & Silva foir the number 2 spot.

IntentionalButt

02-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Who is Mike Thomas Brown :?

edit: n/m. I see, it's the Mike Brown who beat Faber. Haven't seen anything of him prior, but that's a good enough win for a ten spot considering the level Urijah's performing at.

lawton

02-07-2009, 07:13 PM

dwilson

02-07-2009, 08:44 PM

Seems a daft list but who cares what Sherdog think.

MaliSlamusrex

02-11-2009, 04:39 PM

i like the top 3 but i would put them in a different order.

7-10 would be different

Dantes

02-11-2009, 04:54 PM

KenFlo will give GSP some troubles.....It will be a very competitive fight

Put the house on GSP. Kenny was overwhelmed by Sherk, GSP is another level. I like Kenny but I think it will go down similarly to GSP vs Fitch, in that Kenny will be durable and show heart, but willjust plain get beaten up by a superior fighter.

MaliSlamusrex

02-11-2009, 04:56 PM

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Vitor Belfort
5. Miguel Torres
6. Lyoto Machida
7. BJ Penn
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Dan Henderson
10. Rampage / R.Evans

Shogun_12

02-11-2009, 05:29 PM

fedor should always be in #1. no explanations needed.

QuestionKid7

02-14-2009, 10:17 PM

Anderson silva #1 wtf?

He is a great fighter and I think he could be number one if he had top quality fights. The UFC is babying the crap out of him. Hendo and Franklin are the only big wins on his resume.

I am however torn between GSP and Fedor as number 1 both have fought many top fighters. Both have a huge win in their last fight.

Silva #3 in my oppinion.

SouthpawSlayer

02-14-2009, 10:39 PM

i think fedor should fight brock and if he wins he should fight kenflo

audio101

02-15-2009, 02:33 AM

Fedor at number 3 is just laughable... the guy never really lost, he is 7-0 against UFC heavyweight champions and just dispatched 2 of them in 1 round. Do they hate him at Sherdog for some reason?

You mean "ex ufc champions"? You can't be number one when you're not fighting in the best organization.

ufoalf

02-15-2009, 04:11 AM

You mean "ex ufc champions"? You can't be number one when you're not fighting in the best organization.

I guess Torres is not the best huh? stfu

curmudgeon

02-15-2009, 08:47 PM

Fedor at number 3 is just laughable... the guy never really lost, he is 7-0 against UFC heavyweight champions and just dispatched 2 of them in 1 round. Do they hate him at Sherdog for some reason?

Some people can not get to grips with the fact that a heavyweight can be p4p. They assume there are too many pounds there.

Those people are idiots.

curmudgeon

02-15-2009, 08:48 PM

You can't be number one when you're not fighting in the best organization.

I have seen some proficient Dana White dick sucking in this forum, but you take the cake.

Weber

02-15-2009, 08:57 PM

You mean "ex ufc champions"? You can't be number one when you're not fighting in the best organization.

UFC's heavyweight division is criminally weak. PRIDE was far superior.

Bill Butcher

02-20-2009, 01:45 PM

I'm not huge on MMA, but I watch all the UFC events.

How can BJ still be at 4 when he was just outclassed. He wasn't even competitive.

Penn is the best LWT & stepped up & fought the best WWT, both were top 4 before the fight, I had Penn at 2 & GSP at 4, now I have BJ at 4 & GSP at 2.
If GSP had won close, I wouldnt have changed anything at all due to the size difference but since it was a 1 sided fight I had to do something... either way, Penn is the greatest LWT today & all time & 4 is the lowest he deserves to be on any list IMO.

Ps. that sherdog list is utter shit, Fedor is no1, no doubt about it.