Jose Luis Lopez vs Antonio Margarito

[Xplosive]

I think a focused Lopez(like the who you stopped Campas) would beat the hell outta Margarito.

[emanuel_augustus]

It's a close fight, but I think Margarito's height, length and strength give Lopez trouble. A taller James Page troubled and beat Lopez, even though he was dropped twice. Margarito is better than Page.

It would be a tough fight but I'd go with Margarito by UD.

[My2Sense]

Lopez would become intimidated and get his ass outworked, after which certain people would say "He wasn't focused for this fight".

[ricardinho]

I think a focused Lopez(like the who you stopped Campas) would beat the hell outta Margarito.

El Maestrito focused would have given Margarito Problems....its a shame that he threw it away. I hear he is training fighters now.

[Boxed Ears]

...I don't know and nobody can accurately guess because Margarito's entire career is tainted with the suspicion of loaded gloves. I don't know what's real with him. We don't know. Did he load when he brutalized Cintron? Cotto? Did he load against Williams and still lose? I won't pretend Margarito didn't have redeeming features like some have since the gloves. Features that didn't have to do with punching but still, I don't know how you can make a real guess on this man.

[anarci]

Lopez would become intimidated and get his ass outworked, after which certain people would say "He wasn't focused for this fight". you probably only saw Lopez at his worst. It wasnt that he was intimidated he was just lazy in the ring and out of the ring. A real wasted talent.

What did he have to be intimidated about:huh He had one of the best chins ive ever seen and hit like a mule on steroids. The only reason Quartey was ever winning the fight was cause Lopez held back and didnt do shit. Once he let loose he had Quartey wobbling all over the ring and dropped him twice. Had he let loose earlier he surely would have kod the Durable Quartey.

Check out Lopez fight with a Prime Yori Boy he looked pretty awesome and ate Campas best shots like nothing. He repeatdly hurt Campas everytime he landed clean on him. Something ive never seen anyone do to Yori boy his punches had a worst effect on Yori Boy than anything Trinidad landed on him. For one shot id say Lopez definitly hit harder than Tito or any Welter in that era.

The Lopez that fought Page would get out worked by Margo and lose a decision

The one that beat Yori Boy would probably stop the iron chinned Margo.

The one that fought Quartey would be even money with Margarito maybe Margo wins a close decision.

You never knew which Lopez you were gonna get.

[anarci]

...I don't know and nobody can accurately guess because Margarito's entire career is tainted with the suspicion of loaded gloves. I don't know what's real with him. We don't know. Did he load when he brutalized Cintron? Cotto? Did he load against Williams and still lose? I won't pretend Margarito didn't have redeeming features like some have since the gloves. Features that didn't have to do with punching but still, I don't know how you can make a real guess on this man. Ive watched Margarito since early in his career ive seen him live when he was a prospect and up and coming and he always hit hard, and I highly doubt that he was loading his gloves since he was fighting 6 and 8 rounders. I also dont think this whole plaster of Paris is overexaggerated, he had something but i dont think it made the difference everyone is saying. Im sure he will still be hitting hard when he comes back.

[Boxed Ears]

Ive watched Margarito since early in his career ive seen him live when he was a prospect and up and coming and he always hit hard, and I highly doubt that he was loading his gloves since he was fighting 6 and 8 rounders. I also dont think this whole plaster of Paris is overexaggerated, he had something but i dont think it made the difference everyone is saying. Im sure he will still be hitting hard when he comes back.

I've seen Margo fighting way before he was a name also. And of course I think it would be batty to think that he was just loading up for every low level fight he had or even all his big fights and not getting caught. But I think you have to be somewhat suspicious at least of his more recent big fights. Would he be loading just for Shane and not Paul, Miguel and Kermit? None stopped prior to meeting him and all big fights?

Off of those bigger fights, remember the bizarre and grotesque injury to the ear of Lujan? Not a megafight by any means but remember it? Or the fact he's the only guy to stop Sergio Martinez to this day? Is he a bigger hitter than Mosley? Margarito brutalized Cotto (incidentally, I did pick Tony to win that fight) but it looked like he begun the damage to me with grazing shots that mostly started to land circa round 6 or 7 before the real flush pummeling began. Mosley hit Cotto with flush shots from the opening bell and all night and Cotto didn't seem to really be in trouble at any time, though I think he was a little stunned here and there (Cotto has a good poker face I think) and yet his face didn't look like he'd been it by a truck a la the Margo fight. Or the rumblings of damage Margo did to sparring partners and rumors they wrapped his hands "specially" in the gym too. Regardless-

My non-punching power analysis of him, that I think is fair:

Margo has:

Elite level stamina
World class chin
A very substandard defense unless you count the FBT(facial blocking technique)
High offensive intelligence- seems adept at finding good shots even though I always thought he was a touch slow for being world class. I rarely have seen him miss an opportunity to crack you with a left uppercut whenever you start to crouch forward and open up to it. He finds the body shots like a pro too.
The aforementioned sluggish speed for a world champion
Elite level will - when the going gets tough, he always seemed like he wanted to step it up whenever I've seen him. Even if he could start very slowly at times.

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[lefthook31]

Close fight, both guys face first offensive fighters. Lopez has great power, Margaritos size and workrate probably better than Lopez, but good close fight.

[Sister Sledge]

I was thinking about Lopez while posting in the forgotten top contenders thread. He was a forgotten champion, but it was his own fault. Although, I felt that Quartey was put down because he was fatigued, there is no doubting Lopez' power. I don't think he would have ko'd Quartey, but he could have beaten him. Lopez had everything needed to be a true Mexican great except the work ethic. He was lazy and he squandered his career away. I wish I knew why. Margarito is Margarito, a limited, but relentless fighter who has maxxed out on his potential.
A motivated Lopez could beat Margo, but he's like a box of holiday chocolates: you never know what you're gonna get.

[The Morlocks]

I think a focused Lopez(like the who you stopped Campas) would beat the hell outta Margarito.
I can't see anyone w/ Lopez' style BEATING THE HELL out of margarito. Mosely is an exception because of the style and greatness. Lopez was lazy in the ring genereally and Margo was a windmill. Margo.'s busier style wins here.:deal

[The Morlocks]

Ive watched Margarito since early in his career ive seen him live when he was a prospect and up and coming and he always hit hard, and I highly doubt that he was loading his gloves since he was fighting 6 and 8 rounders. I also dont think this whole plaster of Paris is overexaggerated, he had something but i dont think it made the difference everyone is saying. Im sure he will still be hitting hard when he comes back.
I agree entirely. His ability to walk thru punches was as much to do w/ victory along with his unbelieveable volume. A lot of guys just quit when he wouldn't stop coming or wouldn't acknowledge their shots. You could SEE Cotto getting worried then terrified as Tony kept coming. As for the coward Cintron......:gayfight

[Mantequilla]

Mosley hasn't been great for near enough a decade.

[The Morlocks]

I've seen Margo fighting way before he was a name also. And of course I think it would be batty to think that he was just loading up for every low level fight he had or even all his big fights and not getting caught. But I think you have to be somewhat suspicious at least of his more recent big fights. Would he be loading just for Shane and not Paul, Miguel and Kermit? None stopped prior to meeting him and all big fights?

Off of those bigger fights, remember the bizarre and grotesque injury to the ear of Lujan? Not a megafight by any means but remember it? Or the fact he's the only guy to stop Sergio Martinez to this day? Is he a bigger hitter than Mosley? Margarito brutalized Cotto (incidentally, I did pick Tony to win that fight) but it looked like he begun the damage to me with grazing shots that mostly started to land circa round 6 or 7 before the real flush pummeling began. Mosley hit Cotto with flush shots from the opening bell and all night and Cotto didn't seem to really be in trouble at any time, though I think he was a little stunned here and there (Cotto has a good poker face I think) and yet his face didn't look like he'd been it by a truck a la the Margo fight. Or the rumblings of damage Margo did to sparring partners and rumors they wrapped his hands "specially" in the gym too. Regardless-

My non-punching power analysis of him, that I think is fair:

Margo has:

Elite level stamina
World class chin
A very substandard defense unless you count the FBT(facial blocking technique)
High offensive intelligence- seems adept at finding good shots even though I always thought he was a touch slow for being world class. I rarely have seen him miss an opportunity to crack you with a left uppercut whenever you start to crouch forward and open up to it. He finds the body shots like a pro too.
The aforementioned sluggish speed for a world champion
Elite level will - when the going gets tough, he always seemed like he wanted to step it up whenever I've seen him. Even if he could start very slowly at times.

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what I saw in both the Cotto and Mosely fights is this. Watch the first round of each. W/ Cotto, there is a point in the 1st, where Tony hits him a left hook to the body and Cotto actually looks in pain and hurt. This started him on his marathon around the perimiter of the ring. In the Mosely fight, after landing the first rt. hand or so, Shane hits Tony a wallop of a bodyshot that I think hurt him badly. Just like he (Tony) did against Cotto. I think Tony was hurt and kind of leary from that moment on just like Cotto against him. If Shane gets to mayw. body, I think the fight will turn in his favor. Also, I look forward to seeing Tony fight again and hope he has something left in his chin and resolve. But, he took a ferocious beating and I don't think they come back the same from that kind of loss.:vikingI hope so though.

[lefthook31]

Mosley hasn't been great for near enough a decade.
Give me a break. He was great prior to 2000 against the likes of John Brown, James Leija, and Phillip Holiday????? All of his best wins have come in the last decade.

[sweet_scientist]

6 round fight - TOPS!

[Flea Man]

For once I disagree with Mantequilla.

Mosleys tenure at 135 isn't really that impressive. Mosley has flourished (in spurts mind you) from his move to 147 onwards IMO

His slight inconsistencies show he is a bloody good fighter if not a top 100 fighter. He has a chance to solidify his spot (I personally have him in the 80-90 mark) this year, if Floyd decides to man up.

Mosleys problem us he has such a glaring weakness: he has little skill in movemnt. I wouldn't really bet against him against anyone who stands in front of him, but in terms of multi-faceted fighters I don't like Shanes chances as much.

Which is why Floyd SHOULD beat him easy as anything. But personally I dint think Floyd can deal with someone as good as Mosley so it's not as clear cut.

But back to my original point, his time at 135 gets massively overrated IMO

[Mantequilla]

I was really just thinking of almost every single performance after the Forrest loss...that's close enough to a decade ago for me:D.He's been almost consistently failing to live up to his reputation since it imo...though watching something like the Rivera fight right in the middle of his supposed peak, makes me wonder if he ever really had it.

[Russell]

Lopez was a huge stoner outside of the ring, liked to smoke reefer and surf from what I've heard.

It was pretty obvious that he was a stoner in the Campas fight when he ate fucking atomic bombs from Yory like nothing. I watched the fight a few days ago and he actually kept smiling, when he was hit, walking back to the corner... :lol:

Quartey couldn't do anything to him as well, and Ike put Oscar down pretty good and rattled his brains several times. Oscar had a very good chin himself.

[lefthook31]

For once I disagree with Mantequilla.

Mosleys tenure at 135 isn't really that impressive. Mosley has flourished (in spurts mind you) from his move to 147 onwards IMO

His slight inconsistencies show he is a bloody good fighter if not a top 100 fighter. He has a chance to solidify his spot (I personally have him in the 80-90 mark) this year, if Floyd decides to man up.

Mosleys problem us he has such a glaring weakness: he has little skill in movemnt. I wouldn't really bet against him against anyone who stands in front of him, but in terms of multi-faceted fighters I don't like Shanes chances as much.

Which is why Floyd SHOULD beat him easy as anything. But personally I dint think Floyd can deal with someone as good as Mosley so it's not as clear cut.

But back to my original point, his time at 135 gets massively overrated IMO
Agreed and kind of what I was alluding to in my post. I think Mosley came with a lot of hype at the lower weights, and lot of it was because of Eddie Futches constant public high praise of him in the earlier part of his career. He was always strong and at the lower weights he was knocking guys out spectacularly.
Bottom line is he faced the best fighters at the higher weights, and there really is no barometer to a Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, ODLH or Margarito at 135 to prove he was any greater, only that he was stronger.

[lefthook31]

Lopez was a huge stoner outside of the ring, liked to smoke reefer and surf from what I've heard.

It was pretty obvious that he was a stoner in the Campas fight when he ate fucking atomic bombs from Yory like nothing. I watched the fight a few days ago and he actually kept smiling, when he was hit, walking back to the corner... :lol:

Quartey couldn't do anything to him as well, and Ike put Oscar down pretty good and rattled his brains several times. Oscar had a very good chin himself.
What does surfing have to do with anything? :lol: Surfing is awesome exercise and keeps you in great shape. Surfing and smoking pot are not as synonomous as Jeff Spicolli made it seem in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

[Boxed Ears]

what I saw in both the Cotto and Mosely fights is this. Watch the first round of each. W/ Cotto, there is a point in the 1st, where Tony hits him a left hook to the body and Cotto actually looks in pain and hurt. This started him on his marathon around the perimiter of the ring. In the Mosely fight, after landing the first rt. hand or so, Shane hits Tony a wallop of a bodyshot that I think hurt him badly. Just like he (Tony) did against Cotto. I think Tony was hurt and kind of leary from that moment on just like Cotto against him. If Shane gets to mayw. body, I think the fight will turn in his favor. Also, I look forward to seeing Tony fight again and hope he has something left in his chin and resolve. But, he took a ferocious beating and I don't think they come back the same from that kind of loss.:vikingI hope so though.

Maybe, but the way Cotto played sliding along the ropes was, frankly, pretty damned skillful and I wouldn't have expected it of him, and therefore thought he had actually planned and trained for this strategy. If not, that was some hellagood off the cuff work by Cotto, even if it failed after six rounds. Mosley I think really was hurting Tony with body shots and I think one of Cotto's biggest failings against Tony was not firing to his body and backing up, no matter how well he fought that way at first. There really aren't too many if any other welters that have the fortitude to use Mosley's gameplan against Margo and it makes me think if he does still have a reasonable amount left, he'll make it to a title again.

[The Morlocks]

Maybe, but the way Cotto played sliding along the ropes was, frankly, pretty damned skillful and I wouldn't have expected it of him, and therefore thought he had actually planned and trained for this strategy. If not, that was some hellagood off the cuff work by Cotto, even if it failed after six rounds. Mosley I think really was hurting Tony with body shots and I think one of Cotto's biggest failings against Tony was not firing to his body and backing up, no matter how well he fought that way at first. There really aren't too many if any other welters that have the fortitude to use Mosley's gameplan against Margo and it makes me think if he does still have a reasonable amount left, he'll make it to a title again.
I hope shane does. Cotto was moving in fastforward it seemed and that can wear a guy out. I gotta say though that that is one of my fav fights and I can watch it at anytime. It really was a triumph of the spirit to me when Tony won and FINALLY received the acclaim he deserved after being on the outside looking in for so long.:thumbsup

[lefthook31]

I hope shane does. Cotto was moving in fastforward it seemed and that can wear a guy out. I gotta say though that that is one of my fav fights and I can watch it at anytime. It really was a triumph of the spirit to me when Tony won and FINALLY received the acclaim he deserved after being on the outside looking in for so long.:thumbsup
Yes but dont you think that win is vastly tarnished now, especially considering Mosley, who Cotto beat, was able to fight more of a Cottoesque type fight against Margo?

[Russell]

What does surfing have to do with anything? :lol: Surfing is awesome exercise and keeps you in great shape. Surfing and smoking pot are not as synonomous as Jeff Spicolli made it seem in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Yeah, I was attempting to put it out there that he was seemingly more interested in surfing then boxing there lefthook.

[The Morlocks]

Yes but dont you think that win is vastly tarnished now, especially considering Mosley, who Cotto beat, was able to fight more of a Cottoesque type fight against Margo?
that's the sad part of the deal. but since noone knoews one way or the other, i just take it as it is. I hope he can come back strong, but that was a BAD beating to Shane. I think Cotto should retire after the last 5 beatings win or lose that he took except for that easy fight last feb. He will end up like Gatti getting beat down by a lesser fighter like Gomez if he continues long. His face just falls apart in fights now and he takes a LOT of punishment.:-((

[Boxed Ears]

that's the sad part of the deal. but since noone knoews one way or the other, i just take it as it is. I hope he can come back strong, but that was a BAD beating to Shane. I think Cotto should retire after the last 5 beatings win or lose that he took except for that easy fight last feb. He will end up like Gatti getting beat down by a lesser fighter like Gomez if he continues long. His face just falls apart in fights now and he takes a LOT of punishment.:-((

Gatti/Gomez 2 is coming up, I hear. Oh, I mean Castillo/Gomez. Excuse me.

[lefthook31]

Yeah, I was attempting to put it out there that he was seemingly more interested in surfing then boxing there lefthook.
Me too these days.

[The Morlocks]

Gatti/Gomez 2 is coming up, I hear. Oh, I mean Castillo/Gomez. Excuse me.
That is an interesting fight. Castillo was a good fighter and now is slowed down enough to make this a superclubfight.

[Boxed Ears]

That is an interesting fight. Castillo was a good fighter and now is slowed down enough to make this a superclubfight.

Castillo was undoubtedly a very good fighter but the last time out that I saw him was back in 08 against Lujan. Lujan is alright but Castillo practically made him look slick to me. I just don't like seeing these guys dragging on until something like Gatti/Gomez finally happens.

[The Morlocks]

Castillo was undoubtedly a very good fighter but the last time out that I saw him was back in 08 against Lujan. Lujan is alright but Castillo practically made him look slick to me. I just don't like seeing these guys dragging on until something like Gatti/Gomez finally happens.
agreed. it's like waiting for your dog to die.