Who's the better defensive fighter?

[ko factor]

Who do you think guys?

[ripcity]

Something to keep in mind Pep was stoped 6 times in his carrer and Whitaker was stoped once in his carrer. Pep also had 241 fights and Whitaker had 45 fights.

[ko factor]

If I recall I've read in The Ring Magazine that Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a punch! Does anyone know about this? Was he really that good as a defensive fighter?

[FlatNose]

If Whittaker had to fight Sandy Saddler,or if he had over two hundred fights, he might have been stopped too.Most of Peps stoppage losses were when he was way past his prime.Whittaker had better natural reflexes in his prime than did Pep, but Pep had more skill and threw more precise combinations.

[China_hand_Joe]

Joe Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep's.

Both rely on agility and reflexes to get out of the way. However Calzaghe went 40 fights without ever having his face marked up at all. Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep, although his aggression means he isn't a defensive fighter. Just an offensive one with betetr evasion skills than Pep. Calzaghe is superior in everyway therefore.

Whitaker's is also infinitely more skilled than Pep. In a head to head matchup Pep would be embarrassed.

[China_hand_Joe]

If I recall I've read in The Ring Magazine that Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a punch! Does anyone know about this? Was he really that good as a defensive fighter?No. Just one of the many myths the legend of Willie Pep is built upon.

[BewareofDawg]

Joe Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep's.

Both rely on agility and reflexes to get out of the way. However Calzaghe went 40 fights without ever having his face marked up at all. Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep, although his aggression means he isn't a defensive fighter. Just an offensive one with betetr evasion skills than Pep. Calzaghe is superior in everyway therefore.

Whitaker's is also infinitely more skilled than Pep. In a head to head matchup Pep would be embarrassed.
:plzdie

[Sister Sledge]

[quote=China_hand_Joe]Joe Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep's. :admin quote]

:lol: :rofl

[China_hand_Joe]

:plzdie

If you are going to have a differing opinion then please justify it.

What Joe Calzaghe did in the first round of the Sakio Bika fight matches any of Peps 'defensive wizardry'.

Pep is the more negative, defensive fighter yes - but in terms of ability to evade punches he is no better than Calzaghe. Just watch the Lacy fight (or any other Calzaghe fight post-2000) and I'm sure you will come round to agreeing.

[brooklyn1550]

Joe Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep's.

Tony Pep maybe:lol:

I'd say, from what I've seen, that the two are virtually equal.

[China_hand_Joe]

Tony Pep maybe:lol:

I'd say, from what I've seen, that the two are virtually equal.It probably is fairly equal between Willie Pep and Joe Calzaghe, as it is easier to be evasive against slow Super-middleweights than it is against faster featherwieghts.

Weights taken into consideration it is very close.

[brooklyn1550]

It probably is equal, as it is easier to be evasive against slow Super-middleweights than it is against faster featherwieghts.

I'll give you this: Calzaghe is a great defensive fighter and will have his hands raised on November 3rd.

[THN]

IMO Calzaghe is a pub fighter, a good one thou, but for the sake of boxing i hope Kessler will beat his ass

[China_hand_Joe]

I'll give you this: Calzaghe is a great defensive fighter and will have his hands raised on November 3rd.If his reflexes are near the level they were a few years ago then he will.

[brooklyn1550]

If his reflexes are near the level they were a few years ago then he will.

Do you agree with Amsterdam and Blocky that Kessler will be smashed and stopped?

[China_hand_Joe]

I am far less confident than they are.

[THN]

Kesslers game is" the noble art of self defence"
Calzaghe is more like a fight in the pub, no offence but i go for Kessler and the noble art of self defence, called boxing!

[Sister Sledge]

This is ludicrous. Calzaghe couldn't hold a candle to either Pep or Whittaker, and the mere mention of his name is a slap in the face to both of these HOFer's. Calzaghe may be a very good defensive fighters, but he is not legendary.

[China_hand_Joe]

Pep is legendary partly for his skill, but mainly because he fought in the 40s.

Whitaker is legendary because he is more defensively skilled than Calzaghe and Pep.

[Pimp C]

Draw

[Executioner]

China_Handjob_Joe is at it again...

[ko factor]

No. Just one of the many myths the legend of Willie Pep is built upon.Oh yeah? Why don't you watch this video clip to disprove your claim. Especially at 2:02

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[Alo2006]

Draw

I might have to agree with that.

[Jinx]

If you are going to have a differing opinion then please justify it.

What Joe Calzaghe did in the first round of the Sakio Bika fight matches any of Peps 'defensive wizardry'.

Pep is the more negative, defensive fighter yes - but in terms of ability to evade punches he is no better than Calzaghe. Just watch the Lacy fight (or any other Calzaghe fight post-2000) and I'm sure you will come round to agreeing.

please pull Calzaghe's 3rd leg out of your mouth...

[ripcity]

Oh yeah? Why don't you watch this video clip to disprove your claim. Especially at 2:02

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I would realy like to see that round if the story is true.

[China_hand_Joe]

Oh yeah? Why don't you watch this video clip to disprove your claim. Especially at 2:02

[Only registered and activated users can see links] and ask the same question in the classic forum. The knowledgable posters their will dismiss that clip.

Do it right now, or dig up one of the old threads on it.

[ko factor]

Go and ask the same question in the classic forum. The knowledgable posters their will dismiss that clip.

Do it right now, or dig up one of the old threads on it.Why don't you ask Bert Sugar? :nut Or ask the rest in this forum that Joe Calzaghe's defense is at par with Willie Pep? :-(

[McGrain]

Pep probably shades it at defense. He was "more instinctive" and harder to draw in. It's basically not possible force Pep to force the action. His mastery was one quarter mental and it made him near perfect in that department.

[Ramshall1]

If I recall I've read in The Ring Magazine that Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a punch! Does anyone know about this? Was he really that good as a defensive fighter?

I think this was on an episode of Myth Busters.

[China_hand_Joe]

Why don't you ask Bert Sugar? :nut Or ask the rest in this forum that Joe Calzaghe's defense is at par with Willie Pep? :-(Bert Sugar and others spread the myth (about Pep winning a round without throwing a punch) as a bit of a joke, something that will enchance their hero's reputation -fullstop-

[McGrain]

Bert Sugar and others spread the myth about Pep winning a round without throwing a punch as a bit of a joke, something that will enchance their hero's reputation -fullstop-


It's so much BS.

You'd think that people would realise that it is not possible within the rules of boxing.

[Robbi]

Whitaker was stopped due to a broken shoulder muslce as well.

As far as defense, you could say Pep had better defense, but he wasn't as complete a boxer as Whitaker.


Whitaker had more variety of defensive moves.

[Robbi]

Joe Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep's.

Both rely on agility and reflexes to get out of the way. However Calzaghe went 40 fights without ever having his face marked up at all. Calzaghe's defence is superior to Pep, although his aggression means he isn't a defensive fighter. Just an offensive one with betetr evasion skills than Pep. Calzaghe is superior in everyway therefore.

Whitaker's is also infinitely more skilled than Pep. In a head to head matchup Pep would be embarrassed.

De La Hoya won two rounds against Whitaker, and Calzaghe was a better defensive fighter than Pep. Your making a complete fool of yourself.

[China_hand_Joe]

De La Hoya won two rounds against Whitaker, and Calzaghe was a better defensive fighter than Pep. Your making a complete fool of yourself.Two rounds against Mayweather, not Whitaker -fullstop-

[Robbi]

China_hand_joe. Next you will be telling us all Tyson would have outboxed Ali, and Primo Carnera was the greatest heavyweight of all time.

:bush

[China_hand_Joe]

It's so much BS.

You'd think that people would realise that it is not possible within the rules of boxing.It would be amusing to punch Burt Sugar one day and claim you didn't throw a punch -fullstop-

[Robbi]

Two rounds against Mayweather, not Whitaker -fullstop-

Thanks for the correction. I meant Mayweather. Your a complete fool. Just though id let you know. :rasta

[China_hand_Joe]

Thanks for the correction. I meant Mayweather. Your a complete fool. Just though id let you know. :rastaMayweather outlanded him, with cleaner, more powerful punches in all but two rounds -fullstop- Showing superior ring general ship, standing in front of Oscar, evading and picking him off -fullstop- I don't score rounds to Oscar for being less bad than he had been in the other rounds -fullstop- So often the loser gets scored sympathy rounds like that -fullstop-

[robert ungurean]

Pep

[ko factor]

I think this was on an episode of Myth Busters.I think it did happen when he fought a guy named Graves, made a total monkey out of the guy. He did made that fighter falling all over himself missing punches for 3 minutes. Defense is part of the judging.Willie Pep was that kind of guy who could do it.:deal

[Robbi]

Mayweather outlanded him, with cleaner, more powerful punches in all but two rounds -fullstop- Showing superior ring general ship, standing in front of Oscar, evading and picking him off -fullstop- I don't score rounds to Oscar for being less bad than he had been in the other rounds -fullstop- So often the loser gets scored sympathy rounds like that -fullstop-

Your full of nosense -fullstop-

[Marc]

i am asking those who voted for pep, how many fights of his have you seen?because i cant vote for him based on the limited footage.

[China_hand_Joe]

Your full of nosense -fullstop-Go and watch the fight again and score each round on it's own merits, not in the context of the fight -fullstop-

[Mistadobalina]

if pep really won a round without throwing a punch, then it sounds like his opponent (who still remains nameless up to this day) got robbed of a round.

[Bill1234]

Pep. Theres a reason why he's known as the best defensive fighter of all time by many boxing experts, historians, and fans...

[ripcity]

Pep. Theres a reason why he's known as the best defensive fighter of all time by many boxing experts, historians, and fans...
Boxing expeerts, historians and fans are allways slow to give modern and comtempery fighters their due. Take Mayweither for example. He has ATG talent and skills and is as acomplished as allmost any ATG (five world tittles). However not many of us consider him a top 10 ATG.

[stuistylee]

:plzdieplz

[China_hand_Joe]

Boxing expeerts, historians and fans are allways slow to give modern and comtempery fighters their due. Take Mayweither for example. He has ATG talent and skills and is as acomplished as allmost any ATG (five world tittles). However not many of us consider him a top 10 ATG.
Mayweather is a P4P great, not doubt

This is my provisional top 5 fighters of all time - I have no doubt others will place Mayweather there in 20 years time

Calzaghe
Ray Robinson
Jones
Whitaker
Mayweather

[ko factor]

Pep. Theres a reason why he's known as the best defensive fighter of all time by many boxing experts, historians, and fans...:yep

[China_hand_Joe]

Pep. Theres a reason why he's known as the best defensive fighter of all time by many boxing experts, historians, and fans...Is it because they haven't actually seen him fight -questionmark-

[Marc]

Mayweather is a P4P great, not doubt

This is my provisional top 5 fighters of all time - I have no doubt others will place Mayweather there in 20 years time

Calzaghe
Ray Robinson
Jones
Whitaker
Mayweather

:yep :yep

[jecxbox]

"He who hits and runs away, lives to fight another day." willy pep

its amazing 241 fights and he lost 11 of them...I think that man went on 2 separate consecutive 80 fight win streaks or something. That shit is hardcore.

[jecxbox]

Boxing expeerts, historians and fans are allways slow to give modern and comtempery fighters their due. Take Mayweither for example. He has ATG talent and skills and is as acomplished as allmost any ATG (five world tittles). However not many of us consider him a top 10 ATG.
Exactly, Mayweather will be getting his props. I don't really like the person he is personally but honestly who gives a shit it doesn't matter. It's like Bill Clinton was the president of the united states who gives a shit if he got blow jobs from a skank.....nm lol. Mayweather will get his props and if he defeats Hatton he will definitely have mine..If he goes on to fight Mosley/Cotto than everyone can stfu with the Floyd hating hehe. I don't like the guy personally but hes extremely talented and his work ethic in boxing is A++ He deserves respect for that alone.

[Thread Stealer]

Haven't seen enough of Pep to compare.

[dave82]

Mayweather is a P4P great, not doubt

This is my provisional top 5 fighters of all time - I have no doubt others will place Mayweather there in 20 years time

Calzaghe
Ray Robinson
Jones
Whitaker
Mayweather

The mans at it again.

IMO i believe Whitaker takes it