Froch shows big testicles

[cityofgod]

Thrilling fight for the best belt in boxing against unbeaten opponent, then flying to the States to take on the man who beat Hopkins more convincingly than Calzaghe (twice) in his very first defence.

If Froch goes out there and smokes Taylor, in his back yard he deserves big props.

Love him or not, thats shows a big set of balls - he is backing up his words.

[PrideOfWales]

Carl.. just wait a week or so then you'll be out of Calzaghe's shadow! He retired now! Stop harping on!

[cityofgod]

Carl.. just wait a week or so then you'll be out of Calzaghe's shadow! He retired now! Stop harping on!

I bet it guts you to see his nemesis taking the risks that Joe always should have?

:D

[GazOC]

Well done to Froch, credit where credit is due.

[PrideOfWales]

I bet it guts you to see his nemesis taking the risks that Joe always should have?

:D

Not at all! I want Froch to succeed! He kind of makes me laugh.

[Guy]

Taylor UD sadly.... unless Froch bombs him.

Froch-Very good, Calzaghe-Great

[GazOC]

Taylor UD sadly.... unless Froch bombs him.

Froch-Very good, Calzaghe-Great

I was saying that last year but I'm not sure Taylor, who I thought was overated in the first place, is as good as he was 2 or 3 years ago. I'm dithering over the fight now.

[Guy]

I was saying that last year but I'm not sure Taylor, who I thought was overated in the first place, is as good as he was 2 or 3 years ago. I'm dithering over the fight now.


Yeah it depends which Taylor turns up, does he still have the hunger?
Froch will attack I feel and he'll have to otherwise Taylor will outslick him

[Decebal]

Well done to Froch, credit where credit is due.

Well done for what exactly, GazOC?:think For wanting to fight the best risk/reward fight at 168?:huh Is there anyone in Froch's position who would not have given an arm and a leg to get a shot at Taylor? I mean...if fighters who have more to lose and less to gain than him would have given an arm and a leg to fight him...Kessler, Bute...for example...think about it...;)

The real test of Froch's mettle will be whom he fights if he loses to Taylor. Will he take on the likes of Bika, and Andrade (if the latter loses to Bute again, say), or will he take on easy fights he's much more likely to win, in Nottingham, for a good couple of years? When he had the chance to step up before, for much less money, in worse risk/reward fights (e.g. against Bute in the IBF eliminator or against other proven contenders) he didn't fancy it. He was lucky to get a great break in the easiest belt fight at 168 lbs for a long time. Now, the smell of money is overpowering and he realises he's running out of time, and that he has to cash in whilst he's still shit-hot with that shiny belt around his waist.

As a champ who won a vacant title, he'd have been forced to fight 2 mandatory challengers set by the WBC anyway, before being allowed to pick a voluntary opponent. So...it's not like he could have picked someone to milk the belt against AND get plenty of resume points for doing so ...:think Instead of some German bloke few people have heard of and Jermain Taylor...I know whom I would have picked too!;)

Until then, Froch is what usually comes with two big testicles attached to it - on the day Calzaghe retired, this is what he had to say:

"Speaking to Setanta Sports News, Froch said it was “a shame Calzaghe’s not had a career defining fight…he’s got a good record but I’m not going to lose my mind and say ‘he’s Sugar Ray Leonard’ because he’s not. I said a few weeks ago that he should retire. He got put on his arse by 43-year-old and 40-year-old in his last two fights. I’m not stupid. Joe Calzaghe has been a great champion. He’s a warrior, he’s tough, he’s strong. He’s beaten everyone put in front of him. But, how old was Roy Jones Junior when he fought him? He was 40-years-old. Bernard Hopkins was 43. Roy Jones was at his best 15 years prior to when they fought.” Froch had unsuccessfully campaigned for years to fight Calzaghe during Joe’s long 168lb title reign."

Well done for this, GazOC??

...If he had fought you, he'd have had his career defining fight, eh, Carl?:lol::patsch

...yeah, what a great guy, so funny, so clever...the future of British boxing and the best SMW in the world!:tired

...am I a hater, GazOC? Am I being unfair?:?:good

[GazOC]

Perhaps a little unfair mate, he could have held out for home advantage but, as you say, obviously Froch isn't getting any younger and wants to earn from the title before its too late and I don't blame him for that.

I don't think I have to defend his views on Calzaghes retirement though, they are nothing to do with this subject.:huh;)

I thought you liked mandatories.....???;)

[Bodysnatcher]

Carl needs to shut up.

BUT, he could have taken his voluntary defence against the worst WBC top ten fighter, and his following mandatories might have been equally favourable for him, 'cos I don't see Ward or Dirrell going to Nottingham. More pay days that way - all with risk, yes, he's not Calzaghe where every mandatory was almost an assured victory, but still a safer and long-term more financially rewarding path then going over to States and fighting Jermain Taylor for his first defence, where he'll almost certainly lose and derail his career.

[Rebel-INS]

Don't rate him at all. He's incredibly poor technically, slow, his defense is poor and you can see his shots coming a mile off.
He is however very exciting, is very durable and has decent power. I believe Taylor will outpoint him, but theres always a chance Froch could catch him.

[TFFP]

Pascal-Froch tells you everything you need to know about how this fight is gonna go, unless Taylor shows a more vulnerable chin than Pascal, which seems unlikely given Pascal was troubled by Pitman.

Taylor does most things Pascal did, a whole lot better.

[GazOC]

Taylor is a better boxer than either Pascal or Froch but I'm not sure how much his heart would be in a tough 12 round fight with a physically stronger fighter. Of course Froch has to be able to turn it into a tough 12 round fight.....

[Primadonna Kool]

Hopkins on his last peformance would beat Carl Froch easy....

[Decebal]

Perhaps a little unfair mate, he could have held out for home advantage but, as you say, obviously Froch isn't getting any younger and wants to earn from the title before its too late and I don't blame him for that.

I don't think I have to defend his views on Calzaghes retirement though, they are nothing to do with this subject.:huh;)

I thought you liked mandatories.....???;)

Holding out for home advantage would have meant he wouldn't have got Taylor at all, who travels for no-one, not even for Calzaghe. ;)

I do like mandatories. I am glad that Froch is fighting his mandatory. Of course, he'd have to, because right now, his only holds a vacant belt that needs to be defended twice against two selected mandatories before he can call it his own, as a proper WBC Champ.;) Obviously, anyone would want to fight a mandatory like Taylor...especially in Froch's shoes. Taylor, on the other hand, wasn't really under an obligation to fight for this title or any title at this stage, with one proper fight in the division, but I'm glad he's fighting a non-American (it's a start) and I'm glad he's fighting someone a bit better than Allan Green. The styles match-up will be interesting too, so I'm not complaining. Froch is a very lucky lad. He struck gold and he should count his blessings. If Taylor wouldn't have agreed to fight him, Dirrell or Ward would probably have taken the fight, and since either has a decent chance of beating him too...it makes much more sense to fight the much better risk/reward fight in Taylor. Froch's very lucky to get a fight against Taylor. But courageous? How?:huh

[Decebal]

he could have taken his voluntary defence against the worst WBC top ten fighter.

He'd have had to fight two mandatories imposed on him by the WBC before being allowed to fight a voluntary. It's because he won a vacant belt against a fellow prospect, so that's what the WBC rules require. These are the rankings - the boys at the top get first shout, in this order. If Dirrell or Ward had not taken it (unlikely), Johnson (??) and Pascal would have, or you're going down to Bika and Berrio, and they would definitely have taken it...and they're not good risk/reward fights for Froch at all!

1 .- Jermain Taylor (US)
2 .- Andre Dirrell (US)
3 .- Andre Ward (US)
4 .- Marcus Johnson (US)
5 .- Jean Pascal (Haiti/Canada) NABF
6 .- Sakio Bika (Cameroon)
7 .- Anthony Mundine (Australia)
8 .- Alejandro Berrio (Colombia)

...in other words, Froch is fighting the best risk/reward of the lot in Taylor. Losing to Taylor is not the end of the world. Hopkins lost to him twice, at least on paper. It's for good money and you get exposure and then you're in the mix with the Americans too...so...it makes perfect sense. Kessler, Bute, anyone at all in the division jumped at the chance to fight Taylor, and they'd have travelled too, but Taylor didn't fancy them because they were too risky for him. So...he went with Froch, whom he rightfully thinks he will beat. At least he's not fighting yet another American...

[trotter]

Well done for what exactly, GazOC?:think For wanting to fight the best risk/reward fight at 168?:huh Is there anyone in Froch's position who would not have given an arm and a leg to get a shot at Taylor? I mean...if fighters who have more to lose and less to gain than him would have given an arm and a leg to fight him...Kessler, Bute...for example...think about it...;)

The real test of Froch's mettle will be whom he fights if he loses to Taylor. Will he take on the likes of Bika, and Andrade (if the latter loses to Bute again, say), or will he take on easy fights he's much more likely to win, in Nottingham, for a good couple of years? When he had the chance to step up before, for much less money, in worse risk/reward fights (e.g. against Bute in the IBF eliminator or against other proven contenders) he didn't fancy it. He was lucky to get a great break in the easiest belt fight at 168 lbs for a long time. Now, the smell of money is overpowering and he realises he's running out of time, and that he has to cash in whilst he's still shit-hot with that shiny belt around his waist.

As a champ who won a vacant title, he'd have been forced to fight 2 mandatory challengers set by the WBC anyway, before being allowed to pick a voluntary opponent. So...it's not like he could have picked someone to milk the belt against AND get plenty of resume points for doing so ...:think Instead of some German bloke few people have heard of and Jermain Taylor...I know whom I would have picked too!;)

Until then, Froch is what usually comes with two big testicles attached to it - on the day Calzaghe retired, this is what he had to say:

"Speaking to Setanta Sports News, Froch said it was “a shame Calzaghe’s not had a career defining fight…he’s got a good record but I’m not going to lose my mind and say ‘he’s Sugar Ray Leonard’ because he’s not. I said a few weeks ago that he should retire. He got put on his arse by 43-year-old and 40-year-old in his last two fights. I’m not stupid. Joe Calzaghe has been a great champion. He’s a warrior, he’s tough, he’s strong. He’s beaten everyone put in front of him. But, how old was Roy Jones Junior when he fought him? He was 40-years-old. Bernard Hopkins was 43. Roy Jones was at his best 15 years prior to when they fought.” Froch had unsuccessfully campaigned for years to fight Calzaghe during Joe’s long 168lb title reign."

Well done for this, GazOC??

...If he had fought you, he'd have had his career defining fight, eh, Carl?:lol::patsch

...yeah, what a great guy, so funny, so clever...the future of British boxing and the best SMW in the world!:tired

...am I a hater, GazOC? Am I being unfair?:?:good


That's a long way of saying Taylor is a good fight for Froch.

It seems like you're desperate to criticise Froch but you haven't got any real ammunition.

["TKO"]

Yes, Froch definitely deserves major kudos for this. In his first defence he's done what Taylor has yet to do his whole career and jumped on a plane to go and fight one of the best contenders out there in his own back yard! Contrast to Taylor who was going to turn the shot down if he couldn't get everything his own way and turned down an eliminator with Eastman because he would have to travel and might not be the HBO poster boy with the whole establishment at his backing! I doubt Froch will win, but good on him! As for Taylor, this sort of shit is why he'll never be remembered as a truly great fighter, great fighters are not afraid to take on the odds without everything tilted in their favour!

[Decebal]

That's a long way of saying Taylor is a good fight for Froch.

It seems like you're desperate to criticise Froch but you haven't got any real ammunition.

Yeah, long way of saying Froch's never done anything to show he's got big guts during his career - on the contrary, in fact, and that he's certainly not showing guts in agreeing to fight Taylor, giving his actual options, if he wants to not be stripped of the belt. Desperate to criticise him? Criticise him for what? For being lucky to get a shot at Taylor and for taking it? No, I was "criticising" the people who thought he should be given a medal for wanting to fight Taylor - seems a very strange argument to me...:huh

Everyone knows I don't like Froch and that I have very good reasons for not liking him. And I'm not the only one either. ;) Also, I am allowed to comment on his professional choices and on the comments he makes about other fighters, on a boxing forum, right? But who cares whether I or anyone else like him? He's making very good money right now and his prospects in the business are very good given his actual talent and skills and level of performance, because the way he's promoted seems to be working very well for him right now. Good luck to him! I enjoy his fighting style and will watch his fights with great interest as usual. So why would my views of him as a person or on anything else matter to Froch or his fans, particularly? I'm onboard. Boxing is a business and it's just the way things are. He gives his all in the ring and comes to fight, and he doesn't use underhanded tactics in the ring to gain an unfair advantage - that in the end is the most important thing - he's not shortchanging the fans; on the contrary, he's great value for money in the ring. Or are you suggesting I'm straying into Betty Swollocks teritory with my "obsessive hatred" of Froch? Hope not. And just because I think he is "not a very nice person" it doesn't stand in the way of me looking at his game objectively, does it? As to giving him respect for his choices, I said it and I'll repeat it: I'll put up an avatar of Froch for two weeks if he gets into the same ring as Kessler whilst still unbeaten. There. Happy?;)

["TKO"]

Yeah, long way of saying Froch's never done anything to show he's got big guts during his career - on the contrary, in fact, and that he's certainly not showing guts in agreeing to fight Taylor, giving his actual options, if he wants to not be stripped of the belt. Desperate to criticise him? Criticise him for what? For being lucky to get a shot at Taylor and for taking it? No, I was "criticising" the people who thought he should be given a medal for wanting to fight Taylor - seems a very strange argument to me...:huh


Don't agree with most of this in the slightest, but no you're nowhere near Betty territory, you are rational and don't sound like you belong in the nearest loony bin!

I am no massive fan of Froch, however, to be fair to the guy he has not had a lot go his way. Inkin pulled out twice on him, followed by Berrio and Rubin Williams for his last bout. The fight was also offered to Edison Miranda who declined. Pascal was an undefeated prospect who he had to go through to get the belt. Having done so, in his first defence he is taking his passport and flying to face Taylor, a mere contender, in his own backyard.

I don't get all this shit about Froch "getting a shot" at Taylor. Froch is the titlist along with Kessler, Bute and Baloszay. Taylor is a mere contender who has done nothing at super middle and is last really remembered getting knocked cold and then beaten again by a fighter who has proved to be very beatable by a guy with good fundamentals. Taylor needs either this fight or Kessler/one of the rest, otherwise his only alternatives are a series of who-cares domestic level bouts with guys like Miranda and Allan Green. I don't see what Taylor brings to the table at 168, admittedly he is HBO's poster boy but as a fighter there are a lot of question marks over him at the moment. Bearing in mind that Taylor would have turned the shot down had he been forced to travel, I would think there are easier defences out there for Froch, especially given that he's probably going to have to knock Taylor out and stamp on his head to get a draw over there!

Guys like Dirrell and Ward are unproven (but do have the "0" and the hyped prospect status) and would probably have come over to the UK to get their shot. Johnson I don't know much about, but Pascal has already been beaten, Bika is good but loses to top-level opposition and Mundine is supposed to be moving down to middle. I think Froch will lose this one especially in Taylor's backyard, but should be given props for wanting to take the best fights this side of a unification.

[Decebal]

Froch has not had a lot go his way. Inkin pulled out twice on him, followed by Berrio and Rubin Williams for his last bout. The fight was also offered to Edison Miranda who declined.

So many people say that, and it's utter bollocks!

Froch's made a career of picking his opponents when they were well past their best (Reid) or on very short notice after a massive beating (Tatevosyan) and then blowing these wins out of all proportion, comparing them to the way Calzaghe did against Reid and Bute against Tatevosyan, for example. This is one of the reasons I don't like the guy.

Where Berrio and the others were concerned, again, he/they was/were offered the fight at 3 weeks' notice, after Inkin pulled out with flu for the second time! Don't know about the money offered him either, but why should Froch always get to fight good quality opposition on short notice, when it suits him, all the time? So, of course Berrio didn't dodge him when he didn't accept the offer. Froch would never have fought Calzaghe or Pavlik or Jones Jr. or anyone else for that matter, no matter how big the name, at 3 weeks' notice either. But he still went ahead and said Berrio and the others had ducked him, didn't he!

So...we're left with Inkin, who dodged him twice...I'll give you that...But Froch should be the last person to talk about people ducking/dodging him given that he ducked Bute for the IBF eliminator to get a shot at Berrio's IBF title, only to then say that he'd have KOed both Bute and Berrio on the same night, when the IBF route was the only route to a title. Of course, he then said he didn't fight for the IBF because he had been targeting the "prestigious WBC" belt all along, even though that was impossible - the belt was with Kessler at the time, and he was planning to fight Calzaghe, after Andrade, not Froch.

So he goes on saying how he cannot get any of the big boys to fight him because they're all scared of him, when he was the one who did his utmost to not step up and prove himself for as long as possible. See, this is why I don't like the guy - he lies and he is hypocritical beyond belief and he puts his betters down whilst his career choices stink to the high heavens.

Anyway, enough of the "Froch hatred" from me. Don't have much time and it's best used talking boxing, not boxers, whilst I'm on ESB...so forgive me if I don't continue with this conversation.:good

[Guy]

So Decabel.......why don't you like Carl Froch

["TKO"]

So many people say that, and it's utter bollocks!

Froch's made a career of picking his opponents when they were well past their best (Reid) or on very short notice after a massive beating (Tatevosyan) and then blowing these wins out of all proportion, comparing them to the way Calzaghe did against Reid and Bute against Tatevosyan, for example. This is one of the reasons I don't like the guy.

Where Berrio and the others were concerned, again, he/they was/were offered the fight at 3 weeks' notice, after Inkin pulled out with flu for the second time! Don't know about the money offered him either, but why should Froch always get to fight good quality opposition on short notice, when it suits him, all the time? So, of course Berrio didn't dodge him when he didn't accept the offer. Froch would never have fought Calzaghe or Pavlik or Jones Jr. or anyone else for that matter, no matter how big the name, at 3 weeks' notice either. But he still went ahead and said Berrio and the others had ducked him, didn't he!

So...we're left with Inkin, who dodged him twice...I'll give you that...But Froch should be the last person to talk about people ducking/dodging him given that he ducked Bute for the IBF eliminator to get a shot at Berrio's IBF title, only to then say that he'd have KOed both Bute and Berrio on the same night, when the IBF route was the only route to a title. Of course, he then said he didn't fight for the IBF because he had been targeting the "prestigious WBC" belt all along, even though that was impossible - the belt was with Kessler at the time, and he was planning to fight Calzaghe, after Andrade, not Froch.

So he goes on saying how he cannot get any of the big boys to fight him because they're all scared of him, when he was the one who did his utmost to not step up and prove himself for as long as possible. See, this is why I don't like the guy - he lies and he is hypocritical beyond belief and he puts his betters down whilst his career choices stink to the high heavens.

Anyway, enough of the "Froch hatred" from me. Don't have much time and it's best used talking boxing, not boxers, whilst I'm on ESB...so forgive me if I don't continue with this conversation.:good

Fair enough, but just a couple of minor points from me. Firstly, I think you're picking an argument which doesn't exist here. You're preaching to the choir on Reid, I'm fully aware that he was way past it and Froch's win bears no comparison to that of Calzaghe (who I prefer to Froch in all honesty). And I have never said those guys dodged him (I don't remember him doing so either). Not wanting to take the fight on three weeks' notice is fair enough, however, you can't blame the guy for offering it. It is perfectly possible for a fighter who is in the gym and in shape to be in shape for a fight on a couple of weeks' notice. See Klitchko V Lewis for example. OK so it only gives short notice to train for your opponent's style but then that's the same both ways.

I don't really know the inside story on the whole Bute thing, but yeah Froch does run his mouth off too much in relation to what he's accomplished in the ring, which is one of the reasons I'm not massively keen on him. Peace :good

[SeasideSlugger]

If anything he talked the Reid win down.

[cityofgod]

Decebal,

This is not the WWE you know mate.

And you dont even further credit for making your posts that long that I fall asleep half way through reading them.

Froch has beaten Canada's best (yes thats right) for the title and is now doing what all these Kesslers / Bute's have threatened to do for ages... and that is take short money and get on a plane to make the fight happen.

He aint no Bute, sitting in the Bell centre why a load of muppets pay to watch William Joppy.

Taylor would beat Bute and everyone on Bute's record. And Froch could have NOT fought him and still came out of it smelling of roses because Taylor shirked the fight once already for the vacant title.

But thats what this thread is all about- giving CREDIT to Froch for what he is about to embark on in his very first defence.

[GazOC]

Is Froch taking short money for this fight? Usually a champion who is will to defend in the challengers country holds all the aces and gets the fat end of the wedge.

[TommyV]

No fucking way did Taylor beat Hopkins more convincly than Calzaghe.

Anyway, that was the old Hopkins at 160.

[TommyV]

Wrong Decebal.

Neither Froch or Bute ducked each other. Bute in fact was due to face Froch in a WBC eliminator, and Bute declined and went the IBF route. Not that I'm saying Bute ducked Froch at all, they both just took seperate routes.

[mstar]

froch is UK's junior witter, he has no class and has if you look at his resume, one name pascal which is come not exactly elite level is he?? for froch to go and shoot of his mouth he should achieve something first

[TommyV]

froch is UK's junior witter

Erm, do you not realise Junior Witter is from the UK?

[mstar]

Erm, do you not realise Junior Witter is from the UK?


sorry typo hehee

[antcull]

No fucking way did Taylor beat Hopkins more convincly than Calzaghe.

Anyway, that was the old Hopkins at 160.

Whoever says Taylor beat Bhop more convincingly than Cal doesnt know anything or didnt see the fights :good

I do like Froch and he is an exciting fighter, Taylor just has too much skill for Frochy to deal with, Froch does hold power at 168, and if he did have that injury against Pascal it could account for why Pascal gave him so much trouble.

I predict a clear points win for Taylor, but I hope Froch lands a bomb on Taylors chin :yep

[Decebal]

Wrong Decebal.

Bute in fact was due to face Froch in a WBC eliminator, and Bute declined and went the IBF route. Not that I'm saying Bute ducked Froch at all, they both just took seperate routes.

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WTF?:rofl:nut:patsch

I had to reply to that!

Andrade was the WBC mandatory challenger, having beaten Grant in the WBC eliminator. Kessler fought Andrade in March 2007 and was looking to unify with Calzaghe, not to fight any voluntary challengers. In any case, the earliest he'd have fought another mandatory challenger would have been a year later. A year later!

But the IBF was already looking for people to be matched in an IBF eliminator to get a shot at Berrio's title. The IBF route was the only one available to anyone looking for a title shot at the time. Bute, Froch, Inkin were the highest ranked IBF contenders. Bute wanted in. Froch declined. Inkin declined...The IBF went down the rankings until Bika took it. Bute fought Bika in June and Berrio in October, to become IBF Champ. Kessler fought Calzaghe a month later, in November!

What WBC eliminator between Froch and Bute are you talking about? There was no such thing! After Kessler beat Andrade there was no eliminator. By the time Froch was looking at fighting the WBC eliminator, it was against Inkin, to become Calzaghe's mandatory, and Bute was already IBF Champ!

Do you know what Froch was doing after he declined the IBF eliminator fight against Bute - the only road to a title within half a year? He fought Tatevosyan, the man Bute just took to school and then he fought shot Reid. Yeah, that's the different route Froch went. Bute was sitting at home with his IBF belt and Froch was preparing to defend his British SMW Title against Reid The WBC route wasn't even on his mind at that time.

Hello! Planet Earth to TommyV!:hi:

If you make shit up, make sure that shit is at least actually possible. :patsch

God!:-( If I hadn't written about this plenty of times before. If you had been some noob, you might have had an excuse, but you've got 7k posts and have been here for a bit now! :patsch

............

Yeah, go ahead, lads, make shit up, if it makes you love Froch that much more for it. Enjoy!

[mstar]

froch is a tit, he talks as if he is a ATG but looking on his record makes u wonder who he actually faught? i only recognise reid/pascal as any quality (well reid well past it never a elite fighter lacy battered him, and pascal is crap). And this guy thinks he beat calzaghe? he is dreaming the silly fool. How he became wbc champ i never know

[cityofgod]

Decebal, run along now ;)

[rydersonthestorm]

:admin:admin:admin

WTF?:rofl:nut:patsch

I had to reply to that!

Andrade was the WBC mandatory challenger, having beaten Grant in the WBC eliminator. Kessler fought Andrade in March 2007 and was looking to unify with Calzaghe, not to fight any voluntary challengers. In any case, the earliest he'd have fought another mandatory challenger would have been a year later. A year later!

But the IBF was already looking for people to be matched in an IBF eliminator to get a shot at Berrio's title. The IBF route was the only one available to anyone looking for a title shot at the time. Bute, Froch, Inkin were the highest ranked IBF contenders. Bute wanted in. Froch declined. Inkin declined...The IBF went down the rankings until Bika took it. Bute fought Bika in June and Berrio in October, to become IBF Champ. Kessler fought Calzaghe a month later, in November!

What WBC eliminator between Froch and Bute are you talking about? There was no such thing! After Kessler beat Andrade there was no eliminator. By the time Froch was looking at fighting the WBC eliminator, it was against Inkin, to become Calzaghe's mandatory, and Bute was already IBF Champ!

Do you know what Froch was doing after he declined the IBF eliminator fight against Bute - the only road to a title within half a year? He fought Tatevosyan, the man Bute just took to school and then he fought shot Reid. Yeah, that's the different route Froch went. Bute was sitting at home with his IBF belt and Froch was preparing to defend his British SMW Title against Reid The WBC route wasn't even on his mind at that time.

Hello! Planet Earth to TommyV!:hi:

If you make shit up, make sure that shit is at least actually possible. :patsch

God!:-( If I hadn't written about this plenty of times before. If you had been some noob, you might have had an excuse, but you've got 7k posts and have been here for a bit now! :patsch

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Yeah, go ahead, lads, make shit up, if it makes you love Froch that much more for it. Enjoy!

one major wrong point there carl froch has always been after the wbc title.

[cityofgod]

Bute ran off from fighting Kessler and took the IBF route despite being #1 contender.

Aint that true Doorbell ?

[TFFP]

So what?

Bute's competition is 3X as good as Froch's at world level.

[Decebal]

one major wrong point there carl froch has always been after the wbc title.

Yeah, ever since he realised he had beaten everyone there was to beat at domestic level...i.e Magee, Dodson...and...shot Reid. That's when he decided it might be time to step up to world level - ...about a year ago. He was ranked high with the WBC and the WBO and Inkin was the only competition for both. He went with the "most prestigious prize in boxing.":cool:

[mikeywba111]

yeee,, if he wins fair play,, but he wont Taylor UD,, calzaghe is a diff class to froch and shouldnt be mentioned in the same level

[Buggo]

I think fair play to Froch, he could have let this go to a purse bid, which he would have won, and then no fight would happen, as Taylor won’t leave the USA.

So to go to America, against the no.1 contender, in his 1st defence, should be applauded. Much easier options were available to him.

[Decebal]

Bute ran off from fighting Kessler and took the IBF route despite being #1 contender.

Aint that true Doorbell ?

Nope. As I pointed out in previous posts, Andrade was the #1 WBC contender, and Kessler's mandatory challenger.

Bute was ranked very high with all the bodies, but with Kessler having JUST fought his mandatory challenger - Andrade - the #1 contender, and looking to unify with Calzaghe, and with no route open to Bute except the IBF route, which just happened to provide a title shot within half a year or so...he went with the only available route. Froch and Inkin decided to twiddle their thumbs and dodge Bute, going no route whatsoever. Froch fought Bute's leftovers and then shot Reid and Inkin fought none other than Nagy and Bruer. (??)

Notice how neither Froch nor Inkin "went the WBC route", because that would have involved fighting each other, as the highest two ranked contenders with Bute out of the picture.

Bute "ran off from fighting Kessler" only once. Before Bute had his first voluntary defence, Kessler called him out, just after his loss to Calzaghe. Bute said he wasn't ready for the likes of Calzaghe or Kessler yet. That was late 2007- early 2008, way before Joppy.

But of course, this is common knowledge...

...so why am I wasting time on this, especially with the likes of you? :patsch

[rydersonthestorm]

Nope. As I pointed out in previous posts, Andrade was the #1 WBC contender, and Kessler's mandatory challenger.

Bute was ranked very high with all the bodies, but with Kessler having JUST fought his mandatory challenger - Andrade - the #1 contender, and looking to unify with Calzaghe, and with no route open to Bute except the IBF route, which just happened to provide a title shot within half a year or so...he went with the only available route. Froch and Inkin decided to twiddle their thumbs and dodge Bute, going no route whatsoever. Froch fought Bute's leftovers and then shot Reid and Inkin fought none other than Nagy and Bruer. (??)

Notice how neither Froch nor Inkin "went the WBC route", because that would have involved fighting each other, as the highest two ranked contenders with Bute out of the picture.

Bute "ran off from fighting Kessler" only once. Before Bute had his first voluntary defence, Kessler called him out, just after his loss to Calzaghe. Bute said he wasn't ready for the likes of Calzaghe or Kessler yet. That was late 2007- early 2008, way before Joppy.

But of course, this is common knowledge...

...so why am I wasting time on this, especially with the likes of you? :patsch
froch tried to fight inkin

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins WIDE!

Hopkins wouldn't of got even the 3 rounds he won without cheating.

If It wasn't for Hennessey's ego, Froch would of got a title shot earlier and better opportunities. His ego Is terrible and has cost his fighters some nice paydays and shots.

[Maxime]

Bute ran off from fighting Kessler and took the IBF route despite being #1 contender.

Aint that true Doorbell ?

Bute wasn't going to get a title shot at Kessler just like he wasn't going to get a shot at the WBC title.

All these titles (including the WBO title) were on hold because of the Kessler/Andrade fight and then the Kessler/Calzaghe unification.

The only open slot for anyone wanting a world title shot within 12-18 months was the IBF.

[Maxime]

I think fair play to Froch, he could have let this go to a purse bid, which he would have won, and then no fight would happen, as Taylor won’t leave the USA.

So to go to America, against the no.1 contender, in his 1st defence, should be applauded. Much easier options were available to him.

It has nothing to do with Taylor not wanting to leave America. It has everything to do with the fact Jermain Taylor would only get 30% of the purse bid. That is the one and only reason Taylor would never have fought Froch if the fight had gone to the purse bid.

[Maxime]

froch tried to fight inkin

That was much later when Bute had already fought Bika in an IBF Title Eliminator and then fought the champion, Alejandro Berrio for the IBF Belt.

More then 18 months went by between the time Froch turned down the IBF Eliminator because he supposedly wanted to for the WBC route and the time he actually fought for the title.

During which time Bute fought:

Bika: Top10 Ring Magazine at 168lbs
Berrio: IBF World Champion
Joppy: Horrible fight I admit.
Andrade: Top5 Ring Magazine at 168lbs

During that same period Carl Froch fought:

Tatevosyan: Bute's left over
Reid: lol
Rybacki: lol x2 (I know, Inkin pulled out twice)
Pascal: Decent untested prospect (Not ranked in the top10 of Ring Magazine)

[achillesthegreat]

Froch showed no class when Calzaghe retired. Nevertheless, Froch v Taylor is a great fight. Froch is backing up his talk.

[barrington]

Taylor by UD.

[dwilson]

WTF no pics?

[Buggo]

Originally Posted by Maxime
It has nothing to do with Taylor not wanting to leave America. It has everything to do with the fact Jermain Taylor would only get 30% of the purse bid. That is the one and only reason Taylor would never have fought Froch if the fight had gone to the purse bid.

Taylor could have fought Froch for the vacant title and a 50/50 purse split. He didn’t. Instead he fought Lacy in an ‘eliminator’. Why? Because if this potential fight had gone to a purse bid, Froch would have won, and Taylor would have had to get his passport out.

[mstar]

end of the day, froch is not a name in the US and HBO pays and its all about money these days, i know taylor is i think looking at the end of his career in 2-3 years so he is cashing in and i cnt blame him, he might as well wait until froch makes a big name for himself and then fight and get more money.

[Maxime]

Taylor could have fought Froch for the vacant title and a 50/50 purse split. He didn’t. Instead he fought Lacy in an ‘eliminator’. Why? Because if this potential fight had gone to a purse bid, Froch would have won, and Taylor would have had to get his passport out.

Taylor didn't fight Froch because HBO didn't want the fight.

[Decebal]

Bumped for TommyV. :good

[GPater11093]

:pics

the title got me excited

[Decebal]

:pics

the title got me excited

:lol::lol:

[GPater11093]

:lol::lol:

just joking i am in no way homosexual