Life after Calzaghe

[colinthfc]

The golden age of Benn, Eubank & Collins was followed by Calzaghe who was better than the lot.

If we all now get behind Froch, how we we rate him against the following:
- Kessler
- Hopkins
- Pavlik

All potential superfights and the boy may surprise us

Nathan Cleverly is currently on the standard Frank ****** route as Commonwealth champ, and appears ahead of schedule. A British title should follow soon, and who knows Wales may have a star to share headline billing with Enzo.

[TFFP]

I think he'd lose all of them.

His best chance would be against Pavlik, because he's easy to hit and has been hurt a few times. That said, Pavlik is more skilled than Froch overall, if Froch took as many from Pavlik as he did from Pascal he'd be in trouble.

[headhunter]

He'd lose to Hopkins and kessler,but probably stop Pavlik in a great fight.

[El Cepillo]

I think Hopkins would school Froch in the most extreme way possible. Kessler would brutalize him. He might have a chance against Pavlik, but I would still consider Froch the significant underdog.

[China_hand_Joe]

The title of this thread is like some kind of oxymoron.

[robpalmer135]

Haye, Mitchell, Froch, Cleverly, Fury, DeGale, Groves, Khan. one of these will make big impact over the next 5 years.

[El Cepillo]

Haye, Mitchell, Froch, Cleverly, Fury, DeGale, Groves, Khan. one of these will make big impact over the next 5 years.

+ Kell Brook

[SouthpawSlayer]

froch loses to all them boys, i think he will struggle with taylor

[jc]

Its easy to assume Froch will take over from where Joe left off but in reality that would be asking too much. Currently the division is reasonbly competitive, and I wouldnt give him too much hope against Kessler.

Pavlik would be a very good fight, as his limitations have been proven, but he would have to improve defence as Kelly can bang.

[colinthfc]

Haye, Mitchell, Froch, Cleverly, Fury, DeGale, Groves, Khan. one of these will make big impact over the next 5 years.

The thread is specific:

1. Froch is the apparent heir to the crown - Will he suceed as Joe followed Benn, Eubank, Collins etc?

2. Cleverly - the new Welsh hope at the same weight as Joe finished his career

[jc]

Cleverly has skills but he lacks the punch power for world class level.

[icemax]

I honestly think that Cleverley has already found his level

[JOSEY WALES]

I honestly think that Cleverley has already found his level

What you think Cleve will stay @ commonwealth level his entire career ? personally i think due to his age its a tad early to be judgemental on his career as its very early doors yet .

[Haye]

Froch is not the future. One, he is limited, unproven, and will get schooled by any of the elite at 175/168.

Two, he is in his thirties, and wont improve so....plus he aint got exposure here let alone stateside, and wont get the big fights, and if he does, he gets beat - starting with JT.

We are pretty fucked really. Hatton could reinvigorate his career and British boxing with a win over Pac, but it aint likely, he will probably get retired.

Similair scenario with Haye I fear. He has a superfight looming, but he HAS to win that to go forward, and he is a big underdog. If he does beat Wlad, I guess he will stir up a lot of hype and interest over here, it would be great....but there is only one other superfight available for him, ie Vitali, and I reckon if he somehow pulls out the two wins there (very speculative) he will retire anyway.

Froch wont do much, Khan might, dunno.....but I fear we will have to wait a few years until we get a truly elite star who is here to stay.

[nicofly]

+ Kell Brook

+ Stephen Smith

[Mookhound]

Froch has real ability. It depends whether he uses it. Sometimes he looks hugely lethargic.

I think he might have too much variety for Kessler. I like Kessler, but I don't believe he is quite as great as some believe.

The Hopkins vs Pavlik and Tarver pretty much beats anyone around.

I think Froch would stop Pavlik, who I doubt will ever be the same anyway.

[Max Molyneux]

Froch would only beat Pavlik because Kelly's limited and chinny, he loses to the rest.

Brook can reach euro level and probably a belt.

Enzo will win a belt back, Haye's not there now.

[toffeejack]

I think Froch is just waiting to be exposed.

Hopkins would make him look stupid, Kessler would stop him and I even think Pavlik would probably take him out.

I still can't believe people going over the top about him after going Life and death against Pascal.

I think it's gonna be a while before we see any brits in proper world title fights after Froch loses to Taylor. Hatton will be retired within a year or so most likely and Haye probably won't hang around long after Klitscho whatever the result seeing as he's made it clear promoting is his main ambition.

[mstar]

Hopkins - to much lateral movement and ring smarts and would keep froch off balance and away from his trade mark punch. Keeps his hands to low and hopkins would just pick him off frustrating froch who needs room AND plant his feet for his monster shots.
I think a severe schooling by Hopkins WIDE UD by BHOP.

Kessler - Has more speed and ring experience against higher quality opponents. Would pick him off with his jab -which is above the divisions average. I fear he would out-jabb froch and with his tight defence be to strong/to accurate for froch. another Wide UD for kessler

Pavlik - this would be interesting, but again he has more elite experience/ability then a limited froch. Pavlik is VERY strong and has very good stamina and can punch well above the divisions average, i think he be too busy/strong and accurate for froch and a bit higher level in terms of ability.

Problem is froch is a one punch pony, if u take away his ability to punch with his favourite arm punch, what else has he got in the locker?? thats his problem he doesn't have the ability of the above to change or do anything different we have seen SO FAR.
Taylor said it best he is no calzaghe and him thinking he is is a bufoon and in cukoo land

[hitman_hatton1]

i think froch beats taylor.

cos of his ability to fight for the full 12 at a good pace.

taylor will give him problems though.

kessler has the ability to keep it long and make froch pay.

i'd make kessler favourite in that one.

also make hops favourite to.

[KnuckleSandwich]

I think he'll beat Taylor but may have to knock him out to take the decision over in the USA. We all know how one sided judges can be over there.

As for Kessler, that would be a tough one but i agree with the poster who said Mikel is overated but only because he has yet to fight anyone bar Calzaghe residing on the top eschelon of the division. Im looking forward to seeing Kessler tested against the 'best' should he get the chance.

Not sure about Pavlik, although he beat Taylor twice i think he may not be the force the Americans have built him up to be.

Should the 'Cobra' upset the odds against Taylor that should be his foot in the door. Froch v Kessler @ The City Ground anyone?

[mstar]

can anyone explain why they think taylor would lose? i don't think he will.

[hitman_hatton1]

can anyone explain why they think taylor would lose? i don't think he will.

froch down the stretch>>>>>>taylor down the stretch. :yep

[mstar]

froch down the stretch>>>>>>taylor down the stretch. :yep

how about in boxing terms please.

[toffeejack]

i think froch beats taylor.

cos of his ability to fight for the full 12 at a good pace.

taylor will give him problems though.

kessler has the ability to keep it long and make froch pay.

i'd make kessler favourite in that one.

also make hops favourite to.

I must have missed something here because I thought he looked knackered against Pascal before the end of the 12.

[mstar]

to be fair so was pascal, but your right he was knackered! reason being he has very few 12 rounders, and against a seasoned fighter like taylor none will have a advantage as taylor has shown SOME stamina problems in fights