Ingemar Johansson was a great HW puncher with two great hands (brutal KO)

[McGrain]

And here he scores one of the most brutal KO's in HW history:

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:scaredas:

Machen was stopped three times - in his last fight, where he was pretty much shot on a TKO, by a pre-peaked Joe Frazier on a brutal TKO (just posted that video in another thread) but he was never flat out KO'd - and he never should have been here, to be fair, the ref counting over Eddie's prone form whilst he is attended to by his seconds is obscene and the fight probably should have been stopped after the second KD, but still.

Wow. Ferocious punching.

Thoughts?

[Bokaj]

Hey, McGrain, be nice to poor Eddie and post something where he doesn't get KOTF. ;)

By the way Ingo agrees with you that the fight should have been stopped. It's him you hear speaking.

[McGrain]

Oh, you speak Swedish Bokaj? What else does he have to say?

Machen is a cracking fighter - I was actually just thinking about how he would do against Haye - but, alas, he's also one of those guys who is defined by his losses rather than his wins.

Also, why no avatar?

[spion]

Johansson's power was well known and his boxing underestimated. I am surprised that the ref wasn't more watchful of Eddie Machen after the second knockdown. When Ingemar had him trapped against the ropes in the corner it was shades of Cooney-Norton!

[Rebel-INS]

The first knockdown was awesome. The finish was absolutely brutal, he could've been killed. Reminds me of Cooney-Norton like Spion said.

[teeto]

Really brutal wasn't it, demolished him.

[McGrain]

The first knockdown was awesome.

Glad you said that. I think that's one of the best, most hurtful punches i've ever seen. First time I saw this fight my jaw dropped when Machen got up, I thought that the KO1 had already happened.


Really brutal wasn't it, demolished him.

How you keeping Teeto?

[teeto]

How you keeping Teeto?


Not bad, yourself? Good to see these good threads by you as soon as i'm back trying to give ESB some more of my time. I was thinking i'd get ignored for a bit by everyone because i haven't been consistent on here recently!!
Haven't stopped keeping in touch with boxing though, that will never happen.

[McGrain]

Not bad at all!

[teeto]

Not bad at all!
I've actually not seen this ko before you just posted it, i knew about it, he got a title shot from this one didn't he? But i never knew it was as brutal a stoppage as that, harsh

[Bokaj]

Oh, you speak Swedish Bokaj? What else does he have to say?

Yeah, I am Swedish.

He says he has great respect for Machen, and therefore starts out cautiosly. He says Machen is a winner in every inch, and that he saw it as a gamble taking him on, but that the money was too good to say no to. He also says that he hadn't dare hope for the outcome, but that he was in great shape.

Even after the first KD, he keeps to the original cautious gameplan, he says, because of his respect for Machen. But after the second KD...

He obviously thought the ref should have stopped it, but saw it as too big a chance for him to stop punching without intervention from the ref. Ingo ends by saying that Machen wasn't the same for two years after this KO

Also, why no avatar?

Because I'm a lazy bum, I suppose. :cool: Haven't got around to it.

[McGrain]

Yeah, I am Swedish.

He says he has great respect for Machen, and therefore starts out cautiosly. He says Machen is a winner in every inch, and that he saw it as a gamble taking him on, but that the money was too good to say no to. He also says that he hadn't dare hope for the outcome, but that he was in great shape.

Even after the first KD, he keeps to the original cautious gameplan, he says, because of his respect for Machen. But after the second KD...

He obviously thought the ref should have stopped it, but saw it as too big a chance for him to stop punching without intervention from the ref. Ingo ends by saying that Machen wasn't the same for two years after this KO

Thanks for that.



Because I'm a lazy bum, I suppose. :cool: Haven't got around to it.


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[Bokaj]

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It's great. But I can't really take another man's picture (haven't you used that one?). I'll try to get round to it, one of these days.

[Caponecartels]

would putting ingo in the top 15 heavyweight punchers be justifiable?
or is he no where near there?

[McGrain]

It's great. But I can't really take another man's picture (haven't you used that one?). I'll try to get round to it, one of these days.

I think I might have, yeah.

would putting ingo in the top 15 heavyweight punchers be justifiable?
or is he no where near there?

I think he's somwhere between 15 and 20, I think you could make a case for the lower end of the 15.

[Caponecartels]

i haven't seen too much of ingo, so thanks for your answer McGrain.
could you suggest any fights that really showcase his power?

[McGrain]

I think this one is his most impressive display of power, but you can check out the Patterson KO.

[Caponecartels]

yep, that's a good one.

[teeto]

I think I might have, yeah.

You did, one of your finest.

[Maxmomer]

He punched pretty hard.

[Nemesis]

You can say what you want about Ingo, but shit he could bang

[ChrisPontius]

The right hand was a killer. Certainly one of the better right hands in history, and among the very best in his weight. Which boxer under 200lbs had one as quick and destructive as his? Louis? Marciano? Dempsey? Not bad names the mentioned with...

[Coetzeefan101]

I also heard Johansson destroyed Henry Cooper in similar fashion.

[Dempsey1238]

The ref did a find job with this fight.

Machen out on his feet, out cold, and his people attneded to him, and helping him recover, and what does Bozo the clown do?? Yep count to ten like it would relly change anything.

Amazing Machen claim this fight was stop eary or something to the claim. The film cleary shows the fight was not stop at all. The ref gave him plenty of time to get up. Of couse what if Machen did some how beat the count?? Does he get DQ for having people from his team in the ring? Well they be push out??

[mcvey]

I think I might have, yeah.



I think he's somwhere between 15 and 20, I think you could make a case for the lower end of the 15.
Apart from Patterson ,and Machen his kos over top men are rather scarce ,imo.The Cooper ko was good but Ingo did not meet a lot of top Americans,his resume is a bit thin imo.

[sthomas]

Can't believe

1) The corner did not throw in the towel before those last 5 or 6 bombs landed.

2) The ref. did not stop it before those last 5 or 6 bombs landed.


Terrible job by the people who are supposed watch out for a fighters health

[Dempsey1238]

Can't believe

1) The corner did not throw in the towel before those last 5 or 6 bombs landed.

2) The ref. did not stop it before those last 5 or 6 bombs landed.


Terrible job by the people who are supposed watch out for a fighters health


But what about the corner in the ring, checking on Machen, and helping him recover, while Bozo the clown just stands counting over them.
He would think once his saw Machen's people in the ring, tended to him, he would stop counting??? Nope, he just goes on counting.

[ChrisPontius]

Can't believe

1) The corner did not throw in the towel before those last 5 or 6 bombs landed.

2) The ref. did not stop it before those last 5 or 6 bombs landed.


Terrible job by the people who are supposed watch out for a fighters health

The sad thing is that these kind of things still happen today and probably will never go.

[jowcol]

And here he scores one of the most brutal KO's in HW history:

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Machen was stopped three times

But with the Kirkman/Frazier stops coming at the end of his career with Eddie well past it (many iron-chinned fighters show stoppages at the very end of a career) it make Ingo's stoppage that much more impressive.

Anyone see him Johannson in "All the Young Men''? A 1960 Korean War drama with Alan Ladd, Sidney Poitier, and an ensemble cast. Ingo played a Swedish U.N. soldier in their platoon. Had a couple of scenes with Alan & Sidney, seemed pretty relaxed in front of a camera. I think he told Ladd a story about how special Christmas in Sweden was.
Must have been filmed between Patterson 1 & 2.

R.I.P. Ingo...

[sitiyzal]

That clip's a video nasty.

[mcvey]

I also heard Johansson destroyed Henry Cooper in similar fashion.

Lets not forget that Cooper was also kod by Patterson in 4rds , Folley in 2 rds and Bygraves in 9rds. Apart from Patterson [once in three fights ]and Machen ,who did Ingo ko?

[jowcol]

Lets not forget that Cooper was also kod by Patterson in 4rds , Folley in 2 rds and Bygraves in 9rds. Apart from Patterson [once in three fights ]and Machen ,who did Ingo ko?

With all due respect mcvey, who did Earnie Shavers KO?

Given the recent passing of Ingo, I'm going to start a new thread comparing Ingo and Earnie's careers and power debate.

[mcvey]

With all due respect mcvey, who did Earnie Shavers KO?

Given the recent passing of Ingo, I'm going to start a new thread comparing Ingo and Earnie's careers and power debate.

Thats your prerogative.I would say that Ellis and Norton stand up well with Machen and Patterson myself.

[OLD FOGEY]

Thats your prerogative.I would say that Ellis and Norton stand up well with Machen and Patterson myself.

Ellis and Norton had seen better days, though, while Machen and Patterson were at their peaks and neither had ever previously been knocked out. Johansson's resume is thin, but he did manage to knock out all the top men he fought.

[mcvey]

Ellis and Norton had seen better days, though, while Machen and Patterson were at their peaks and neither had ever previously been knocked out. Johansson's resume is thin, but he did manage to knock out all the top men he fought.
Unfortunately there were only two of them.

[turpinr]

I also heard Johansson destroyed Henry Cooper in similar fashion.

cooper said ingo manouvered him into a corner with the sun in his eyes.
should have worn a hat then.
first time i've seen that ko of machen too.awesome
machen lasted the distance with a prime liston!

[jowcol]

machen lasted the distance with a prime liston!

This is a excellent example of styles making fights.
IMO Patterson has a much easier job with Machen than
Liston ever could yet Floyd is completely overmatched
when in with Sonny.

[turpinr]

This is a excellent example of styles making fights.
IMO Patterson has a much easier job with Machen than
Liston ever could yet Floyd is completely overmatched
when in with Sonny.

comletely agree with you. ali v frazier v foreman v norton is another example.joe pushes ali all the way as does norton .foreman takes them both apart

[Maxmomer]

cooper said ingo manouvered him into a corner with the sun in his eyes.
should have worn a hat then.

Are they allowed to wear hats?

[Bo Bo Olson]

Lousy ref. Machen's glove was on the ground, he should have broken it off to at least givne another count.
But one can see there was none of that wiping off the gloves to give the man another 3 or 4 seconds to recover back then.
Ingo was picked over Liston by Patterson's camp. At the time Patterson was dodging Machen also.