Calzaghe the 'ducker'

[English Nutter]

Just put a question on a another thread and dont seem to be getting any response(unsuprisingly) so id thought id start one about it.
Apart from roy jones who was too early in his career to fight,who exactly has Joe Calzaghe ducked? I want some names please:thumbsup

[Axe]

Copy and pasted from the other thread:

This is a list of titleholders Calzaghe could have faced since he beat Chris Eubank, any one of which would have improved his resume. Note that there is still a significant number of contenders who did not hold belts that Calzaghe could have faced at some point (but failed to do so):

Glenn Catley
Charles Brewer (while he was champ, not the shot fighter JC beat)
Sven Ottke
Sugar Boy Malinga
Robin Reid (while he was champ)
Marcus Beyer
Dingan Thobela
Eric Lucas
Richie Woodhall (while he was champ)
Frankie Liles
Bruno Girard
Byron Mitchell (while he was champ)
Anthony Mundine

So the "there was nobody to fight" argument, as with virtually every fighter out there, holds no water with Calzaghe.

Remember, these are just the 168 lb titleholders. There were plenty of other contenders in that class, as well as plenty of opportunities at 175 for Calzaghe to take on.

[nulty]

Copy and pasted from the other thread:



Remember, these are just the 168 lb titleholders. There were plenty of other contenders in that class, as well as plenty of opportunities at 175 for Calzaghe to take on.

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[tays001]

who did he duck

[nulty]

It should be Calzaghe "the avoided".

[English Nutter]

Copy and pasted from the other thread:



Remember, these are just the 168 lb titleholders. There were plenty of other contenders in that class, as well as plenty of opportunities at 175 for Calzaghe to take on.Whats all this 'when he was champ' shit,he fought all of them an beat the fuck out of them(woodhall,mitchell),as for the other so called names give me a fuckin break sven ottke,jesus who the fuck has he fought? he couldn't even knock out tocker boy:lloll,go back to your drawing board and get me some more,cos that list aint no argument mate.

[Axe]

Whats all this 'when he was champ' shit,he fought all of them an beat the fuck out of them(woodhall,mitchell),as for the other so called names give me a fuckin break sven ottke,jesus who the fuck has he fought? he couldn't even knock out tocker boy:lloll,go back to your drawing board and get me some more,cos that list aint no argument mate.

A comprehensive rebuttal if I've ever seen one. :-((

[Fat Tony]

Whats all this 'when he was champ' shit,he fought all of them an beat the fuck out of them(woodhall,mitchell),as for the other so called names give me a fuckin break sven ottke,jesus who the fuck has he fought? he couldn't even knock out tocker boy:lloll,go back to your drawing board and get me some more,cos that list aint no argument mate.

Reid
Larsen
Mitchell (before Calzaghe, when he was Champ)
Markussen
Mundine
Branco
Brewer
Branco
Johnson

[chewy 22]

Reid
Larsen
Mitchell (before Calzaghe, when he was Champ)
Markussen
Mundine
Branco
Brewer
Branco
Johnson

Reid beat him. the Mitchell and Johnson fights could have easily gone the other way. Branco? twice? who Branko? Markussen? who :huh

[yesihavearm]

Originally Posted by Axe
This is a list of titleholders Calzaghe could have faced since he beat Chris Eubank, any one of which would have improved his resume. Note that there is still a significant number of contenders who did not hold belts that Calzaghe could have faced at some point (but failed to do so):

Glenn Catley
Charles Brewer (while he was champ, not the shot fighter JC beat)
Sven Ottke
Sugar Boy Malinga
Robin Reid (while he was champ)
Marcus Beyer
Dingan Thobela
Eric Lucas
Richie Woodhall (while he was champ)
Frankie Liles
Bruno Girard
Byron Mitchell (while he was champ)
Anthony Mundine

So the "there was nobody to fight" argument, as with virtually every fighter out there, holds no water with Calzaghe.
What the hell has fighting Reid,Brewer,Woodhall and Mitchell while they were not champions got to do with ducking them ? If anything, credit to Calzaghe for fighting them as former champs, with no belt on the line it would have been much less of a payday and no belt so he had everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Calzaghe camp offered to fight Ottke numerous times, its common knowledge. And what would that have done anyway ? He already lost to Reid in every single non-German persons view.

Marcus Beyer and Eric Lucas would have done absolutely nothing for Calzaghe's resume, they've done nothing for Kessler's and are about the same level of competition as Calzaghe fought anyway.

Why on earth would he want to fight Anthony Mundine, he got knocked out by feather-fisted Sven Ottke and was about as well known as every other person on Joe's CV.

Truth is, Joe Calzaghe fought the best in his division. The only person he didnt fight (dont include Ottke he's a non-event in boxing to every real fan) is RJJ and RJJ didnt want to fight Calzaghe cuz he wasnt a big enough name for him which is FAIR ENOUGH. Also by the time Calz had had a few fights as champion at SMW Jones had already moved up.

[McGrain]

Calzaghe didn't "duck" anyone.

But he has somehow failed to fight Hopkins, Wright, Taylor, Woods, Johnson and Roy Jones Junior. Big fights made at and around his weight that could have made him Boss. As it is, he's missed out and that's a shame.

[Axe]

What the hell has fighting Reid,Brewer,Woodhall and Mitchell while they were not champions got to do with ducking them ? If anything, credit to Calzaghe for fighting them as former champs, with no belt on the line it would have been much less of a payday and no belt so he had everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Not quite. Brewer for example was a much better fighter while he was a champ, as he was in his prime. When Calzaghe fought him he had suffered several losses and a beating at the hands of MW Antwun Echols, and was no longer the same. Woodhall too was past his best, having had elbow surgery and not having the same jab as he had in his heyday. Calzaghe deservedly gets less credit for facing these men as most were past their best (I do concede that Reid was in his prime though).

Calzaghe camp offered to fight Ottke numerous times, its common knowledge. And what would that have done anyway ? He already lost to Reid in every single non-German persons view.

Yes but Ottke was old. As with the RJJ vs Dm debate, the blame must lie on both sides.

Marcus Beyer and Eric Lucas would have done absolutely nothing for Calzaghe's resume, they've done nothing for Kessler's and are about the same level of competition as Calzaghe fought anyway.

They've done nothing for Kessler because they were in their mid thirties and on their way out. In their mid twenties and holding the WBC title they would have significantly enhanced Joe C.'s reputation.

Why on earth would he want to fight Anthony Mundine, he got knocked out by feather-fisted Sven Ottke and was about as well known as every other person on Joe's CV.

Mundine is nothing special, but still better than 90% of Joe's career opponents. That says more about Calzaghe than it does about Mundine.

Truth is, Joe Calzaghe fought the best in his division. The only person he didnt fight (dont include Ottke he's a non-event in boxing to every real fan) is RJJ and RJJ didnt want to fight Calzaghe cuz he wasnt a big enough name for him which is FAIR ENOUGH. Also by the time Calz had had a few fights as champion at SMW Jones had already moved up.

Truth is that he failed to secure a lasting legacy until (possibly) November 3rd, 2007. For a guy that's held a belt for a decade, that is pretty sad. .

[Axe]

Calzaghe didn't "duck" anyone.

But he has somehow failed to fight Hopkins, Wright, Taylor, Woods, Johnson and Roy Jones Junior. Big fights made at and around his weight that could have made him Boss. As it is, he's missed out and that's a shame.

He's also missed out on other long-reigning LHW champs in Reggie Johnson and Zsolt Erdei. These guys were actually much smaller than Calzaghe, so those who say he has an excuse there are off the mark.

Calz could've fought for the linear LHW title as well (since the RJJ fight couldn't come off), though I don't blame him for steering clear of Dariusz M.

[McGrain]

The Manfredo fight was a joke. I don't think that was excusable, personally.

[yesihavearm]

you brits often feel sorru for yourselves.. its pitifull..:deal

your boy in the other thread began crying and yelling something about ducking, that thread was about joe´s resume, and not who he ducked, no one claimed joe ducked, that was your boys paranoid fnatasy..

if you cant see the difference when fighting a prime fighter, or a shot fighter, then whats the point..

lets take the mitchell and brewer fights, good wins, but often you brits seem to forget, they were beaten before joe got to them.. which again was apart of the other thread..

so quit crying and get over yourself:deal

nah lucas a former champ, and beyer as well wouldnt have done nothing.. but manfredo did:hey

It's nice to see GreatDane that you've still got your tongue 10-feet up into Kessler's ass. I used to think that you were just another dellusioned Kessler fanboy. Now, after your latest post I have a much lower opinion of you.

But then again, making sense isnt really your area if expertise is it ?

Joe's resume is decent. Fought and beaten 7 former world champions and is still undefeated after 20+ defences. He's about to fight someone who everyone regards to be the number1 threat to his status as SMW king. Then, who knows.

[Ramshall1]

He fought the then #2 SMW. . . now hes fighting the current #2 SMW. . . Ive said it before, I dont consider myself a Cal fan (holds too much on the inside and slaps a bit) but I give him his due respect for fighting Kessler, he's the real deal.

[hitman_hatton1]

surprised no one has mentioned glen johnson. :yep

2 pull outs.

in 2004.

in 2006.

both injuries.

but the more cynical could argue otherwise.

[IntentionalButt]

Ducker would be my last choice. Spitter or swallower, however, are a toss-up. :think

[McGrain]

surprised no one has mentioned glen johnson.


I mentioned him.

He would, of course, be the best fighter Joe had ever fought, had he faced him.

[IntentionalButt]

I mentioned him.

He would, of course, be the best fighter Joe had ever fought, had he faced him.

I would favor Joe only very slightly against Glen.

[McGrain]

I would favor Joe only very slightly against Glen.


That's how I see it too.

[IntentionalButt]

That's how I see it too.
And I'm even assuming it's the version of Joe that beat Lacy. Having it fresh in mind from watching the other night, I picture Glen in there countering nonstop, completely undiscouraged by the speed and angles which froze Jeff. And anything Johnson managed to land would cause the dragon to wet its tail and back the fuck up; Joe'd never have felt anything like it.

[TIGEREDGE]

Just put a question on a another thread and dont seem to be getting any response(unsuprisingly) so id thought id start one about it.
Apart from roy jones who was too early in his career to fight,who exactly has Joe Calzaghe ducked? I want some names please:thumbsup

i agree. More Like JC THE DUCKED

Hopkins wouldn't have him. jones jnr. steve collins retired beacuse of him (to save face. that says a lot. collins fought the lot. mccallum, benn, eubank.

[BigEars]

I mentioned him.

He would, of course, be the best fighter Joe had ever fought, had he faced him.

The fight was pretty much done but then Woods upset the odds and beat Johnson .

But lets be honest here it's not Joe to blame for his opponents it's ****** and I'm sure someone will respond he should have left ****** then like Hatton , which would be a fair enough comment . But anyone that makes it should suggest which other British(because if he were to sign with someone else in the oast it would have been British) promoter should he have gone with ?

[McGrain]

But lets be honest here it's not Joe to blame for his opponents it's ****** and I'm sure someone will respond he should have left ****** then like Hatton , which would be a fair enough comment . But anyone that makes it should suggest which other British(because if he were to sign with someone else in the oast it would have been British) promoter should he have gone with ?

You make fine points.

The biggest thing for me is Calzaghe's immaturity. He honestly thinks that because he's the champ he can arrange ATG fighters in Wales without taking a pay cut.

He just isn't realistic. As you say, compare him with Hatton, and his attitude.

Paycut to get Kostya, then of to the US.

[McGrain]

And I'm even assuming it's the version of Joe that beat Lacy. Having it fresh in mind from watching the other night, I picture Glen in there countering nonstop, completely undiscouraged by the speed and angles which froze Jeff. And anything Johnson managed to land would cause the dragon to wet its tail and back the fuck up; Joe'd never have felt anything like it.


Sure; although Cal is classy enough that he might just have "got away" consistantly. Well never know though, which is the point. Poor.

[IntentionalButt]

Sure; although Cal is classy enough that he might just have "got away" consistantly. Well never know though, which is the point. Poor.


Never say never! :bart

[McGrain]

Never say never! :bart


Aye.

I'm a fan of Calzaghe, and I live in hope.

[dumdane]

He fought the then #2 SMW. . . now hes fighting the current #2 SMW. . . Ive said it before, I dont consider myself a Cal fan (holds too much on the inside and slaps a bit) but I give him his due respect for fighting Kessler, he's the real deal.

Refering to Lacy as the #2? Don't see why Lacy should have ever been considered above Kessler - except if amount of hype was beeing counted. And the Ring always had Lacy BEHIND Kessler - even just before the Calzaghe-Lacy fight when everybody (american) was going bananas about how unbeatable Lacy supposedly was.

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe didn't "duck" anyone.

But he has somehow failed to fight Hopkins, Wright, Taylor, Woods, Johnson and Roy Jones Junior. Big fights made at and around his weight that could have made him Boss. As it is, he's missed out and that's a shame.

Hopkins would have never fought him, never will at that, it's not a winnable fight for the aging Hopkins.

Taylor will never fight him, again, it's not a winnable fight.

Likewise with with Wright, he likely wouldn't get a single round due to styles.

Jones wasn't going to fight Calzaghe pre-Tarver because Calzaghe at that point would have brought no money, even less than Tarver, and he's a danger.

I'm not sure what happened with the Johnson affair.

[China_hand_Joe]

Robin Reid (while he was champ)

Interestingly Reid ducked Calzaghe while he held a title, although Reid definitely wanted a rematch -fullstop-

[Amsterdam]

And I'm even assuming it's the version of Joe that beat Lacy. Having it fresh in mind from watching the other night, I picture Glen in there countering nonstop, completely undiscouraged by the speed and angles which froze Jeff. And anything Johnson managed to land would cause the dragon to wet its tail and back the fuck up; Joe'd never have felt anything like it.

Johnson doesn't deal with movers the best, he also doesn't have the type of power needed to do anything to Joe.

Joe would get him a clean 9-3,8-4,9-3 type of score with both at their very best.

Watch Glen's recent fight with a totally shot Montell Griffin, Griffin managed a few rounds on movement, and Glen is actually still quite solid these days with his tallied up experience.

[Maden]

Facts: 1. JC´s resume is not all that impressive, taking in to account the
years he has been champion.
2. Staying at 168 all of his career without unifying, doesn´t help his
resume eighter.
3. Has the reputation of being a protected homebased champion.


Myths: 1. Calzaghe fought the best available competition?
2. Calzaghe was ducked by all of the other great fighters of his time
he didn´t get in the ring with? (RJJ, Ottke, Wright, Taylor,
Hopkins, etc.)?

No Calzaghe has NOT fought the best available competetion by far! And the reason is NOT that all of the "top guns" ducked Calzaghe.
Frank Warran is notorious for not landing the big fights for Calzaghe, and everytime the excuse is that the other part don´t want to fight. This is utterly BS. Boxing is all about buisness these days, and if the money is right you can make fights happen. Frank ****** has kept Calzaghe as his cashcow after the Eubank fight. Seeking minimal risk and maximum profits.

[Korn_06]

It's nice to see GreatDane that you've still got your tongue 10-feet up into Kessler's ass. I used to think that you were just another dellusioned Kessler fanboy. Now, after your latest post I have a much lower opinion of you.

But then again, making sense isnt really your area if expertise is it ?

Joe's resume is decent. Fought and beaten 7 former world champions and is still undefeated after 20+ defences. He's about to fight someone who everyone regards to be the number1 threat to his status as SMW king. Then, who knows.

Who cares about your opinion Blocky, your biased ignorance is so amazing that even your fellow calzaghe fans disrespect you.

It took 9 years for Calzaghe to unify 2 titles. So you think that Lacy and Kessler that has ever had the balls to face Calzaghe. Meanwhile plenty of boxers ranked 15 - 25 has had no problems and several put up a competitive fight agains JC.

[KO Boxing]

Not that he neccessarily ducked anyone, but Joe's resume certainly could be better. For an undefeated world champ with 20 defences, his resume is no stand-out.

[1lehudson]

Just put a question on a another thread and dont seem to be getting any response(unsuprisingly) so id thought id start one about it.
Apart from roy jones who was too early in his career to fight,who exactly has Joe Calzaghe ducked? I want some names please:thumbsupThe most shameless duck job in recent times was the way that Joe ducked Echols. It was funny that joe was interviewed before the fight and said that he had a deal to fight the winner, Echols knocks out Brewer then joe fights Brewer and says that its because he really won the fight????:huh

[1lehudson]

Johnson doesn't deal with movers the best, he also doesn't have the type of power needed to do anything to Joe.

Joe would get him a clean 9-3,8-4,9-3 type of score with both at their very best.

Watch Glen's recent fight with a totally shot Montell Griffin, Griffin managed a few rounds on movement, and Glen is actually still quite solid these days with his tallied up experience.easy to say, since the fight never happened.

Im not going to say that Joe is a ducker, but i will say this....There were alot of fights out there that could have been made, and alot of offers thrown his way.

[KO Boxing]

Yeah, as hard as it is to think now, Antwun Echols was hyped nearly the same as Lacy for a stage. Outside the two so-called protected Euro champs Calzaghe and Ottke, Echols was the number 1 man. And being American, and a power puncher, he was the guy that would have knocked their block off and brought the title's "home"... And he was even no. 1 contendor (or no. 2) in all 4 organisations...

Then he accpeted a fight with Mundine cause he offered a lot of money, lost, and became a journeyman.

Calzaghe's resume should have a number of names on his resume, and a lot of the names he does should have been on his resume at different times (not after they lost or were considered declining).

Lacy, Kessler and a big fight in Vegas against a p4p star like Hopkins will change a lot of that... provided he wins them.

[Max Molyneux]

Copy and pasted from the other thread:



Remember, these are just the 168 lb titleholders. There were plenty of other contenders in that class, as well as plenty of opportunities at 175 for Calzaghe to take on.

Glenn Catley?:shock:

Whos to say they didn't duck him too though?

[Korn_06]

At least it is clear that Calzaghe did not pursue legacy defining fights for most of his reign. Many fight probably has never been called or negotiated and that is not the same as ducking, but still from Calzaghe's side it has been so consequently avoided that, nomatter if you are a JC fan or not, we ought to expect more.

If he would he might have faced some of Winky, RJJ, Toney, Taylor or Hopkins. Even if he had lost a few and won some it should be better for his legacy.

[MancMexican]

I recently read Calzaghe's biography and it's clear to me that in the ducked/avoided argument its clear to me that some fighters (ie Hopkins and Ottke) wanted nothing to do with JC, but also that ****** isn't in the business of giving his fighters big-risk fights if he doesn't have to. In Hatton's biography he admits ****** spoon fed him for a long time and he only got a big fight (Zoo) because he threatened to walk.

[UndisputedUK]

It's not too hard to move up the WBO rankings, anyone who wanted to fight him could and should have taken the WBO route like Veit.

[Amsterdam]

At least it is clear that Calzaghe did not pursue legacy defining fights for most of his reign. Many fight probably has never been called or negotiated and that is not the same as ducking, but still from Calzaghe's side it has been so consequently avoided that, nomatter if you are a JC fan or not, we ought to expect more.

If he would he might have faced some of Winky, RJJ, Toney, Taylor or Hopkins. Even if he had lost a few and won some it should be better for his legacy.

Let's go over this again.

RJJ - 175, Calzaghe brought no money in 2000-2004 for RJJ, much less than Tarver.

Wright - Wright was not even at MW until 2005, and there is no way in hell Wright would have taken on JC for any amount because it's not a winnable fight stylistically, he jumped to 170 to fight Hopkins because of the money and because Hopkins is an older fighter and beatable.

Toney - Toney has been at Cruiser since the late 90's.

Hopkins - Wants no part of JC, JC could not drop down to MW when Hopkins was at his best and even if he could, it brought no money or interest in the states.

Taylor - Multiple offers and negotiating were sent to DiBella and Taylor and it became clear that Taylor and DiBella wanted no part of Calzaghe even in Las Vegas. This was a duck.

It's only been post-Lacy that Calzaghe is even really marketable as a big name for any of the other big names.

[English Nutter]

Let's go over this again.

RJJ - 175, Calzaghe brought no money in 2000-2004 for RJJ, much less than Tarver.

Wright - Wright was not even at MW until 2005, and there is no way in hell Wright would have taken on JC for any amount because it's not a winnable fight stylistically, he jumped to 170 to fight Hopkins because of the money and because Hopkins is an older fighter and beatable.

Toney - Toney has been at Cruiser since the late 90's.

Hopkins - Wants no part of JC, JC could not drop down to MW when Hopkins was at his best and even if he could, it brought no money or interest in the states.

Taylor - Multiple offers and negotiating were sent to DiBella and Taylor and it became clear that Taylor and DiBella wanted no part of Calzaghe even in Las Vegas. This was a duck.

It's only been post-Lacy that Calzaghe is even really marketable as a big name for any of the other big names. Spot on,ur Taylors hopkins winkys etc,doged calazaghe not the other way round,yes like all fighters he may be guilty of not picking the 'right fight' everytime but you cant deny him the true champion he is end of.

[China_hand_Joe]

Johson is the only semi-legitimate claim being made -fullstop- Calzaghe actually fought over half the guys you are having to list! And the rest are no better than Mario Veit -fullstop-

It is somewhat shocking people have to list fighters he actually fought and outclassed -fullstop-

[Amsterdam]

Johson is the only semi-legitimate claim being made -fullstop- Calzaghe actually fought over half the guys you are having to list! And the rest are no better than Mario Veit -fullstop-

It is somewhat shocking people have to list fighters he actually fought and outclassed -fullstop-

Calzaghe is an easy target for haters, but some of this is getting ridiculous.:lol:

[1lehudson]

Calzaghe beat alot of people on the list that everyone keps bringing up. And Calzaghe was avoided for a fucking long time. I dont know why that is deniable. He was a white British/Welsh guy with a super difficult style who was pretty much unknown in the states and brought no money to the table. Why the hell would anybody want to fight him?total bullshit, you cats and this crap about fighters avoiding joe??? Well truth is while so many of you guys claim that joe makes sooo much money its not true in terms of what American fighters make. Bottom line is a 6 million dollar offer for Taylor to travel to Joe backyard isnt shit, not when you think that Taylor made 4 million in his last several fights fighting at home in his own weight class:hey .

Joe is trying to lure smaller guys to come to the UK and fight, when thoughout his career he has rejected or dismissed bigger fighters that offered him fights. Alast I have not forget the fact that Joe didnt accept offers to fight DM, Jones, and even Woods, that would have saw him move up in weight:huh

[Jambon]

Who cares, he is fighting Kessler now. So give him a break he deserves it.

[henrik]

Exently list - every body knows - the best fighters a the 168 at the time - how in hell did Calzaghe miss all this guys???

handinjuries???:D

[Faetter_BR]

It's not too hard to move up the WBO rankings, anyone who wanted to fight him could and should have taken the WBO route like Veit.

hehe - yeah Calzaghe has a greay history of mandatory defenses - made two of those in 10 years as champion :good

But that said - he is fighting Kessler next - everything else doesn't mater anymore. None of the fighters he "ducked" (apart from RJJ) can't hold a candle to Kessler. So come november 3 everything else doesn't mater anymore :)

[THN]

Who cares, he is fighting Kessler now. So give him a break he deserves it.
Rigth on, and after the figth he will have plenty of time to a break!:D

[LeedsLad]

Nearly every name in this thread are just mediocure fighters, who if he had fought you would be saying exactly the same "fighting bums" bullshit. RJJ hadnt fought at 168 since the late 90s, Winky was way down at 154 looking for the Trinidad/De La Hoya fights. The Hopkins fight was supposed to be made after Calzaghe beat Mitchell, Showtime showed Mitchell-Calzaghe and afterwards they pushed for a Calzaghe-Hopkins fight. It has been said many times Hopkins is a hard guy to negotiate with, and so are ******/Calzaghe so no wonder it wasnt made.

Calzaghe has to hold some blame for not getting the big fights, ****** has to take some. But Calzaghe has been avoided, slick southpaw with an awkward style.. High risk, low reward fight.

[Axe]

None of the fighters he "ducked" (apart from RJJ) can't hold a candle to Kessler.

And now we see why Kessler is being called overrated as well.

I think Hopkins, Michalczewski, Johnson, and Toney hold more than just a candle to Kessler.

[DanePugilist]

And now we see why Kessler is being called overrated as well.

I think Hopkins, Michalczewski, Johnson, and Toney hold more than just a candle to Kessler.Not now.

[Axe]

Not now.

Well now they are all either shot or retired, so I'd have to agree. At the time they were "ducked"--or rather, "passed" on as possible Calzaghe opponents--each would've either had a great chance to beat the Kessler of today, or been favoured to beat him.

[Smazz20]

It's kind of amazing really. A lot of the Kessler fans are doing nothing but hating on Calzaghe and IF (big if:D ) Kessler beats him in November, they'll do nothing but praise him. They'll be shouting from the rooftops about how their favourite fighter beat the best even SM. There will be nothing wrong with Calzaghe's resume then, i'll bet. From saying Calzaghe fought past their peak fighters to saying Kessler beat a peak Calzaghe!!

On to another thing. Just as Lacy was not ranked above Kessler when JC beat him, Mundine was not in the top 5 when he was beaten by Kessler. I believe he was around 6th or 7th.

Yes, Calzaghe's resume is not outstanding, but who's is? Any fighters resume can be beat down.

"RJJ only beat a green Hopkins, an under trained Toney and he avoided his only real challenge in DM" Amazing how if he had of fought and beaten DM, it'd turn out that he was only a litter waredn or some shite!

"Pacquaio lost to a peak Morales and then only beat him twice coz he was shot"

"Of Hopkins four biggest wins, three are against way smaller men"

"Lewis ducked a peak, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield and only beat McCall because he was on drugs"

But hey, it's all a bit of fun. If we all thought the same, it'd be kinda boring:D

[English Nutter]

It's funny how all these threads that mention calzaghe seem to attract so much intrest,i sense a little jealousy eastside of the world,like i said in another thread,if he was American or had an american accent(eg lennox) would you like him a bit more then yeh:patriot

[English Nutter]

total bullshit, you cats and this crap about fighters avoiding joe??? Well truth is while so many of you guys claim that joe makes sooo much money its not true in terms of what American fighters make. Bottom line is a 6 million dollar offer for Taylor to travel to Joe backyard isnt shit, not when you think that Taylor made 4 million in his last several fights fighting at home in his own weight class:hey .

Joe is trying to lure smaller guys to come to the UK and fight, when thoughout his career he has rejected or dismissed bigger fighters that offered him fights. Alast I have not forget the fact that Joe didnt accept offers to fight DM, Jones, and even Woods, that would have saw him move up in weight:huh it's funny how ****** offered taylor a fight with joe,then suddenly taylor doesn't wanna go up to smw,who's ducking who eh? just face it Yankee boys,our man is better than any of your so called p4p crap,bhop,winky,taylor,he'd beat all these numptys with one hand tied behind his back.

[1lehudson]

it's funny how ****** offered taylor a fight with joe,then suddenly taylor doesn't wanna go up to smw,who's ducking who eh? just face it Yankee boys,our man is better than any of your so called p4p crap,bhop,winky,taylor,he'd beat all these numptys with one hand tied behind his back.you just totally missed the entire point of my post, and at the same time backed my point, try again:roll:

[English Nutter]

you just totally missed the entire point of my post, and at the same time backed my point, try again:roll: so then after he's beaten kessler,in your opinion who is out there he can truly get credit for beating then?