UFC has given boxing a blueprint on how the top guy's can fight the top guy's.

[gbrandon]

Every UFC card has elite fights, the top guy's are not fighting journeyman to pad their records, they fight the top people in every fight. People alway's say that boxing is doing this for money, money, money but UFC is making great money along with having a better blueprint. For example why have we not seen Andre Ward fight Chavez Jr? Why should we have to wait another 4 years of them fighting bums just to see that megafight? It's a useless plan that should be changed.

[Blue145]

UFC is the superbowl.. it isn't representative of the whole sport you know.

[Vitor Belfort]

Yea it's easier to make big fights happen in UFC cuz they're all under one promotion. Back when they had Pride Fc, it was harder to make big fights happen. I remember when they been wanting to make liddell-silva fight but it didn't happen until wanderlei silva sign with UFC.

The only thing i dont like about the UFC is their fighter rankings. Some fighters have won 5 or more fights and still can't get a title shot while others like Brock Lesnar gets a title shot after 2 fights and only winning 1 of the 2. :patsch

[catasyou]

Fuck UFC

[djoc175]

Yea it's easier to make big fights happen in UFC cuz they're all under one promotion. Back when they had Pride Fc, it was harder to make big fights happen. I remember when they been wanting to make liddell-silva fight but it didn't happen until wanderlei silva sign with UFC.

The only thing i dont like about the UFC is their fighter rankings. Some fighters have won 5 or more fights and still can't get a title shot while others like Brock Lesnar gets a title shot after 2 fights and only winning 1 of the 2. :patsch
This is the bottom line
If they refuse fights that the matchmaker makes then they're cut from their contract.Simple really

[gbrandon]

UFC is the superbowl.. it isn't representative of the whole sport you know.


Then what's the superbowl of boxing then??? There is none, UFC is a league not a handfull of fighters, and for most MMA fans UFC is all they really need to watch, give me the equivalent to that in boxing, there is none.

[gbrandon]

This is the bottom line
If they refuse fights that the matchmaker makes then they're cut from their contract.Simple really


It's very simple which is why it's so confusing that boxing can't get it down, we don't need 1000 different promoters

[djoc175]

It's very simple which is why it's so confusing that boxing can't get it down, we don't need 1000 different promoters
Its not that straight forward really UFC is good when it comes to matchmaking.Nobody is accused of ducking because top guys always fight each other but boxing will never be the same.
UFC fighters know the terms of the contract and know if they refuse a fight they will be in breach.Boxing is totally different.I think this is one of the reasons why UFC has taken off in recent years

[bestadalousiest]

The problem is to much money goes to the main event fighters and there is nothing left for the undercard. in ufc 81 the main event purse for both fighters combined was $300,000, peanuts compared to an hbo ppv card.

[Brady]

Yea you can't just tell these promoters to pack it up and find other jobs. This is what they do. They each are trying to make a buck and gleefully do it at the expense of the integrity of the sport. If there was one major promotion and one champion in each division, a lot of guys in boxing would suddenly be making way less money than they do now, and there's not that much money in boxing right now anyway. It's a tough situation, but I see no way out of it. It is ultimately up to the fighters themselves to demand the tough fights and most of them are happy to face weaker competition.

[bestadalousiest]

For example why have we not seen Andre Ward fight Chavez Jr?
Because they fight 2 weight divisions apart

[djoc175]

The problem is to much money goes to the main event fighters and there is nothing left for the undercard. in ufc 81 the main event purse for both fighters combined was $300,000, peanuts compared to an hbo ppv card.
Was that Brock Lesnar/Mir??

Dana and the others are making a fuckload of $$.They could easily pay fighters more eg.BJ Penn got about $125,000 for the GSP fight.One of the top guys in UFC p4p we're talking about.Think that top boxers earn easily $10million for the big PPV fights some clear $20million(Floyd,Oscar,Pac and Hatton)

[1lehudson]

Every UFC card has elite fights, the top guy's are not fighting journeyman to pad their records, they fight the top people in every fight. People alway's say that boxing is doing this for money, money, money but UFC is making great money along with having a better blueprint. For example why have we not seen Andre Ward fight Chavez Jr? Why should we have to wait another 4 years of them fighting bums just to see that megafight? It's a useless plan that should be changed.
You clearly have no understanding of how the two work....UFC is a brand and as such they have one guy at the top that runs the Show...That guy is Dana White and he tells HIS fighters who and when they will fight and they really have no options...In Boxing there is no ONE GUY and every fight is deal with on its own as is every fighter...The UFC is more like the NFL or NBA...Boxing would be more compared to Hollywood in the sense that one fighter can demand and get more money then another for doing the same thing...

As far was Ward fighting Chavez??? well that would be like Bj Penn fighting Andersen Silva.

You should not comment on these thing being that you clearly dont understand the difference of the two or the business side of either..Yes the UFC makes a shitload of money but the fighters dont when compared to boxers...

[brickfists]

a blueprint ?

like wat pay your fighters peanuts to risk there lives while we business men reap the rewards? get the fuck outta here

["LA Earthquake"]

Fuck that fag sport.

[Bazooka]

UFC has elite fights, get fucking real, UFC showcases guys with a record of 16-9, the whole set up is like WWE, its a fucking joke.

[brickfists]

UFC has elite fights, get fucking real, UFC showcases guys with a record of 16-9.

true but the fighters with the 16-9 records hav allready fought some of the best opposition there is. you'll never see a guy like amir khan or jcc jr in maa you only see guys like angulo and gamboa fighting the best competition availible from the very start

thats the only thing boxing can learn from the ufc

[strongarm]

Fuck that gay porn shit! Who wants to see two guys doing the missionary position.

[Boxing Fanatic]

Two guys hugging just doesn't do it for me.

[chimba]

The sad part here is that even as a monopoly, The UFC cant fuckin put a good fight together. They put out 12 PPVs in a year, youd be lucky to get one matchup that would equal a Pac/JMM or a Mosley/Cotto.

They just did BJ/GSP last month. Its the best that they would be able to put out until they can get Fedor to fight Brock. Their matchmaking skills are horrendous. Look at the next two cards for proof.

Now to defend MMA, Pride use to put out stacked shows with a bunch of intriguing matchups.

The UFC is here for one thing, to bamboozle the fans out of their hard earned money. Remember that the Fertitas own the UFC and they are in the Casino business. The line of business theyre in tells you everything you need to know. The clients never win.

[catasyou]

Fuck UFC!

[The Mighty One]

Fuck that fag sport.

You are an idiot

[The Mighty One]

Fuck UFC!

You are an idiot too.

[catasyou]

Fuck UFC.

[Stovepipe]

Every UFC card has elite fights, the top guy's are not fighting journeyman to pad their records, they fight the top people in every fight. People alway's say that boxing is doing this for money, money, money but UFC is making great money along with having a better blueprint. For example why have we not seen Andre Ward fight Chavez Jr? Why should we have to wait another 4 years of them fighting bums just to see that megafight? It's a useless plan that should be changed.
actually I think this is a good thread and one I was thinking of making with some of your sentiments, accept, of course, like someone else said, which I was thinking of posting until I saw it, is that Chavez and Ward are two divisions apart.

the main point though, is that the UFC makes the big fights happen much more than boxing does.

we had to wait three years for Darchinyan vs Arce, the ufc would have done it three years ago when the fight was red hot and darch was undefeated and arce at the height of his own success, and would have probably given us a rematch or two if warranted.

not to say the ufc doesn't have its problems and drawbacks, but all this SHIT we get, two fighters posing, arguing about money, pulling out, challenging each other accusing the other of running and never making a match, all that SHIT doesn't happen in the UFC because Dana Hilter White makes the rules and the money and the slaves fucking FIGHT!!!!!

of course, that is why it won't work in boxing. the inmates run the aslyum and every fighter wants the lowerst risk hightest reward its hilarious.

for example, right now, you got Arreola hoping for a shot at Klitchscko, Minto calling out Arreola, and Beltchender calling out Minto.

in the ufc they pretty much HAVE to fight who they are told to, not in boxing, not by a long mile.

I don't really want to see boxers reduced to the slaves that the ufc fighters are, however, it would be nice if there was some unified structure that forces matches to happen, or strips them of some unified structure's universally accepted title, or something...some way that if they didn't fight the public rejected them as well

[HauntingTheHoly]

You are an idiot

"You are FUCKING amateur, man!" :deal

[catasyou]

Fuck UFC.

[Brickhaus]

It's very simple which is why it's so confusing that boxing can't get it down, we don't need 1000 different promoters

Do you actually have a brain, or did you just fart into that hole in the base of your skull?

If you can propose a way to get rid of all the promoters, congratulations, you will have done what 100 years worth of other people haven't been able to do.

[chimba]

actually I think this is a good thread and one I was thinking of making with some of your sentiments, accept, of course, like someone else said, which I was thinking of posting until I saw it, is that Chavez and Ward are two divisions apart.

the main point though, is that the UFC makes the big fights happen much more than boxing does.

we had to wait three years for Darchinyan vs Arce, the ufc would have done it three years ago when the fight was red hot and darch was undefeated and arce at the height of his own success, and would have probably given us a rematch or two if warranted.

not to say the ufc doesn't have its problems and drawbacks, but all this SHIT we get, two fighters posing, arguing about money, pulling out, challenging each other accusing the other of running and never making a match, all that SHIT doesn't happen in the UFC because Dana Hilter White makes the rules and the money and the slaves fucking FIGHT!!!!!

of course, that is why it won't work in boxing. the inmates run the aslyum and every fighter wants the lowerst risk hightest reward its hilarious.

for example, right now, you got Arreola hoping for a shot at Klitchscko, Minto calling out Arreola, and Beltchender calling out Minto.

in the ufc they pretty much HAVE to fight who they are told to, not in boxing, not by a long mile.

I don't really want to see boxers reduced to the slaves that the ufc fighters are, however, it would be nice if there was some unified structure that forces matches to happen, or strips them of some unified structure's universally accepted title, or something...some way that if they didn't fight the public rejected them as well

have you lost your mind?? Im a huge MMA fan but cmon now:lol:

[DobyZhee]

I thought the December MMA ppv was f'n awesome. I don't follow MMA too much but when Silva comes out and he's the 3rd fight from the last, you know its money well spent.


My money is that the Hatton/Pac undercard will be just as bad as the Pac/ODLH undercard.

[catasyou]

Fuck ufc

[PACZ]

The ufc got the chance to learn from boxing.

[VanillaKilla]

I know ufc fighters are very good and would kick my ass. But for some reason, whenever i watch their high profile fights. I always think to myself WTF? these guys are the best supposed fighters in the world? I never get that same feeling that I do when watching a real good boxing unification match.

[Maxime]

The thing is the top MMA guys wouldn't be considered top fighters if they were boxers.

Even the most talented amateur boxers in the world couldn't turn pro and beat the champion after just a couple of fights. Except for very very rare occasions. This just never happens. It takes years and close to 20 fights for the fighters to learn the skills and acquire the experience necessary to challenge for a world title.

Boxing and MMA are just very different sports who really shouldn't be compared with one another.

[The Mighty One]

Fuck ufc

You are a moron

[Spunik]

that's an insult to morons....

[neil hibbert]

just look at shogun vs iceman, waswatchin dana whites blog an he went into the locker room after shoguns last fight an asked him if he wants to fight chuck, he said yes then the fights made!! easy as that

[MaliSlamusrex]

everyone is so far away from the mark on this point.... its unbelievable

[BoxingFanBG]

I think that the Roman Empire gave us this blueprint 2000 years ago.