Wilfredo Gomez vs Prince Hasim Hamed

[red cobra]

Another war of Featherweight bombers, scheduled for 15 rounds.

[Sweet Science]

Another war of Featherweight bombers, scheduled for 15 rounds.

Bro it's Naseem not Hasim.

I think Hamed, from the Steve Robinson fight would knock out Gomez.

[red cobra]

Sweetpea, thats probably my mistake, you know, the guy that lost a 12 round decision to Marco Antonio Barerra. My apologies to everyone.

[red cobra]

Wilfredo Gomez, the version from the seventies that is, would torture before he'd execute Naseem. It would go 4 rounds at most. And by the way, Sweet Science, thank you for the correct spelling of his name.

[ayala]

Gomez would knock that boy out silly

[Sweet Science]

Gomez would knock that boy out silly

What have you seen of Hamed appart from his loss to Barrera and the few fights in the US when he was nowhere near the fighter he once was. He was once a terror in the ring when he actually trained and didn't let his ego erode his skills by not training. The majority of the people in the US never saw him at his best, yes he was still young when you saw him but I assure you he was nowhere near his brilliant best.

[red cobra]

Gomez was entirely superior to anyone Hamed ever fought, and miles ahead of the Muslim in technique. He would have handed him his head.

[Sweet Science]

Gomez was entirely superior to anyone Hamed ever fought, and miles ahead of the Muslim in technique. He would have handed him his head.

No offence bro but what has Hamed being muslim got to do with anything?

Yes, you are correct Gomez was superior to anything Hamed ever faced. But I don't think Gomez would be able to handle the freakish power of Hamed. Gomez never faced anyone who hit as hard as Hamed. Just out of interest what Hamed fights have you seen? He was amazing before he let his silly big head and ego destroy him.

[red cobra]

Absolutely nothing. No offense was intended, but he is a Muslim, isnt he? Just another description of him as far as I'm concerned, and a fair one. After all he's done his share in his career of popping off about it, and praising Allah, and talking of it in interviews and such. I don't buy into that politically correct garbage anyway that you can't even mention such things as that. When a person wears his religion on his sleeve, as I said, it's fair game, and again, as I said, no offense was meant, and there wasn't, was there?

[red cobra]

How many Gomez fights have you seen?
If memory serves me correctly, in 1978, Gomez fought and destroyed a far greater fighter in Carlos Zarate who ko'd all but 1 of his total opponents.

[Sweet Science]

Absolutely nothing. No offense was intended, but he is a Muslim, isnt he? Just another description of him as far as I'm concerned, and a fair one. After all he's done his share in his career of popping off about it, and praising Allah, and talking of it in interviews and such. I don't buy into that politically correct garbage anyway that you can't even mention such things as that. When a person wears his religion on his sleeve, as I said, it's fair game, and again, as I said, no offense was meant, and there wasn't, was there?

No offence taken at all, I just wasn't sure why you mentioned it thats all. Wasn't being awkward or anything just wanted to know why. You explained the reason was perfectly in that you were just casually referring to him as a muslim. That's fine. I'm not too politically correct either.

Just out of interest, have you seen any earlier fights from Hamed's career. Say like when he fought Steve Robinson? I don't think they were broadcast in the States.

[Sweet Science]

How many Gomez fights have you seen?

I have seen a fair few. Including the ones against:

Salvador Sanchez

Azumah Nelson

Kobayashi

Cruz

and others I can't recall

[Sweet Science]

It wasn´t only his ego, he also got power happy and nearly abendoned his defence for making a good show.

Yes, and the reason he got power happy was his ego. He though he didn't have to train, and that his power would be enough to see him through. Big mistake, lack of training meant his reflexes also suffered as well general sharpness.

[Sweet Science]

And switching trainer hadn´t helped also, he could have been something special. A bit like Tyson, storywise.

You are 100% correct. Getting rid of Brendan Ingle was a massive mistake, he'd been with Brendan since he was 7 years old. Hamed showed a complete lack of loyalty. He was an extraordinary talent, most people outside of England don't realise how great he could have been. This is simply because they never saw him at his best.

Imagine if you'd only seen Tyson after his prison stint, you wouldn't fully appreciate how good he once was and the extent of the potential he once had and threw away.

[red cobra]

No offence taken at all, I just wasn't sure why you mentioned it thats all. Wasn't being awkward or anything just wanted to know why. You explained the reason was perfectly in that you were just casually referring to him as a muslim. That's fine. I'm not too politically correct either.

Just out of interest, have you seen any earlier fights from Hamed's career. Say like when he fought Steve Robinson? I don't think they were broadcast in the States.
Sweet Science, no sir, I haven't seen him against Robinson. He caught my attention I guess when he fought Daniel Alicia in 1996 I think it was. He reminded me not style wise, but of Roy Jones in the way he capitalized on his natural gifts of relex, speed and power, with his punches coming from out of left field and all. That's all well and good against the guys that he fought and won against, but there's no way that any of them share even the same hemisphere with Wilfredo Gomez. Gomez, as I said, kind of unravelled as a fighter after he was trounced finally against Sanchez, but that too is selling him way short, because a year later he won perhaps what was the battle of the decade against Lupe Pintor by ko in 14. It was in the 70's, however that he had it ALL as a fighter. He really executed like an assasin his opponents and set a division record as super-bantamweight champion.

[Lex]

Hamed is among the few I'd give a shot at beating Gomez. Not due to superior technique or anything like that. But Hamed was so unorthodox, throwing blinding quick punches from all angles, he was capable of taking out anyone in featherweight history with a single shot. He made Roy Jones Jr. look like a conventional, light hitting guy.

But I don't give Hamed a really good shot. Gomez was too well rounded.

We're assuming Gomez as a natural featherweight, of course. Gomez occasionally struggled to make super bantamweight, but never got really serious about featherweight other than vs. Sanchez, so it's safe to assume he really was a super bantam.

[brownpimp88]

what did gomez do at the higher weights? He lost to sanchez, azumah, and got a gift against lockridge. The only person he beat was juan la porte, and that was supposedly a close fight too.

Hamed tko gomez

[sweet_scientist]

Wilfredo Gomez W15 or W12 over Naseem Rahman. :good

[brownpimp88]

Wilfredo Gomez W15 or W12 over Naseem Rahman. :good
yeah lol we've seen how dominant gomez was at the higher weights, especially against laporte and lockridge:lol:

Hamed would knock him the fuck out.

[JohnThomas1]

what did gomez do at the higher weights? He lost to sanchez, azumah, and got a gift against lockridge. The only person he beat was juan la porte, and that was supposedly a close fight too.

Hamed tko gomez

Another fine post lol. Dude - Gomez was past it by the time he fought Pintor at 122 let alone Laporte and co well after.

Gomez beat the shit out of Laporte LOL. Close? Not on your life.

Gomez was prime when Sanchez was simply too good, but is there any shame in that? Gomez was clamouring for a rematch and little doubt it would have heppened if only.

Look deeper into things mate.

[brownpimp88]

Another fine post lol. Dude - Gomez was past it by the time he fought Pintor at 122 let alone Laporte and co well after.

Gomez beat the shit out of Laporte LOL. Close? Not on your life.

Gomez was prime when Sanchez was simply too good, but is there any shame in that? Gomez was clamouring for a rematch and little doubt it would have heppened if only.

Look deeper into things mate.
yeah but what did he really accomplish at 126? I see both of them standing there and trading shots with hamed prevailing. I mean honestly, hamed would beat every guy that gomez beat too. I highly doubt he would lose to zarate and pintor. Hell, even bums kod pintor.:lol:

[sweet_scientist]

yeah lol we've seen how dominant gomez was at the higher weights, especially against laporte and lockridge:lol:

Hamed would knock him the fuck out.

Who's picking the Gomez of Laporte and Lockridge vintage to beat Hamed? No one.

The only viable Gomez at 126 is the one that fought Sanchez. I'd take that Gomez over Hamed by a close points victory.

And oh, just to add, that Gomez would beat everyone Hamed beat at featherweight too :good

[brownpimp88]

Who's picking the Gomez of Laporte and Lockridge vintage to beat Hamed? No one.

The only viable Gomez at 126 is the one that fought Sanchez. I'd take that Gomez over Hamed by a close points victory.

And oh, just to add, that Gomez would beat everyone Hamed beat at featherweight too :good kevin kelley, tom johnston, vazquez and bungi would probably give gomez more problems. But then again you probably thinks he walks over all of them, so im not going to waste my time with that. Gomez has 1 win at featherweight, yet you thinks he beats all of them consecutively, o please dream on.

[BUDW]

Gomez in a blow out KO 2

[JohnThomas1]

yeah but what did he really accomplish at 126? I see both of them standing there and trading shots with hamed prevailing. I mean honestly, hamed would beat every guy that gomez beat too. I highly doubt he would lose to zarate and pintor. Hell, even bums kod pintor.:lol:

Hey i know when i'm wasting my time, just thought you may have had the capacity for learning. Sorry i tried.

:good

[brownpimp88]

Hey i know when i'm wasting my time, just thought you may have had the capacity for learning. Sorry i tried.

:good
what is there to learn, both are bangers, one is naturally bigger and has the better chin. Its the same reason as to why i see him knocking pac out too. Dont try and act like your some boxing professor that knows more, i do amatuer boxing and i follow the sport, i dont need your preachings.

[sweet_scientist]

what is there to learn, both are bangers, one is naturally bigger and has the better chin. Its the same reason as to why i see him knocking pac out too. Dont try and act like your some boxing professor that knows more, i do amatuer boxing and i follow the sport, i dont need your preachings.

He also does MMA JT, better watch out.

[sweet_scientist]

kevin kelley, tom johnston, vazquez and bungi would probably give gomez more problems. But then again you probably thinks he walks over all of them, so im not going to waste my time with that. Gomez has 1 win at featherweight, yet you thinks he beats all of them consecutively, o please dream on.
I think the Gomez that fought Sanchez beats them all there. Obviously he couldn't beat them consecutively because his prime finished too soon for that but like I said: THAT Gomez (that fought Sanchez) would have beaten them all.

[JohnThomas1]

what is there to learn, both are bangers, one is naturally bigger and has the better chin. Its the same reason as to why i see him knocking pac out too. Dont try and act like your some boxing professor that knows more, i do amatuer boxing and i follow the sport, i dont need your preachings.

Bro, my sister knows more. Manassa was right.

[JohnThomas1]

He also does MMA JT, better watch out.
:yikes

:lol:

[brownpimp88]

I think the Gomez that fought Sanchez beats them all there. Obviously he couldn't beat them consecutively because his prime finished too soon for that but like I said: THAT Gomez (that fought Sanchez) would have beaten them all.
how does he beat hamed, his chin is inferior, hamed is the harder puncher and he carries the weight at 126 alot better tha gomez did.:huh

Im sure anyone can come up with some suggestion as to how hed win, but i just dont see it happening. Hamed should be the heavy favourite.

[sweet_scientist]

how does he beat hamed, his chin is inferior, hamed is the harder puncher and he carries the weight at 126 alot better tha gomez did.:huh

Im sure anyone can come up with some suggestion as to how hed win, but i just dont see it happening. Hamed should be the heavy favourite.

I'm not sure his chin is inferior. Just becuase he got stopped by Nelson and Sanchez doesn't mean he has an inferior chin. Hamed faced NO ONE of that quality and went down against lesser fighters.

Even giving Hamed the edge in chin though, (and an edge in speed which he'd have as well) the advantages I see that Gomez holds are:

1. Mentally MUCH tougher
2. Sounder offensive technique
3. Sounder defensive technique

I see Gomez surviving an early Hamed assault, where possibly Gomez goes down or gets put on queer street, but he recovers and as the fight goes, starts picking Hamed apart with short, crisp punches. It will probably come down to the last couple of rounds and I see Gomez stepping up and taking them through greater force of will.

[doublesuited]

brownpimp88 is the poster boy for why crack babies need to be aborted upon first learning of the pregnancy.

[brownpimp88]

He also does MMA JT, better watch out.
well i train with revolution fight team, the gym that has tyler jackson and kalib starnes.:good

[brownpimp88]

I'm not sure his chin is inferior. Just becuase he got stopped by Nelson and Sanchez doesn't mean he has an inferior chin. Hamed faced NO ONE of that quality and went down against lesser fighters.

Even giving Hamed the edge in chin though, (and an edge in speed which he'd have as well) the advantages I see that Gomez holds are:

1. Mentally MUCH tougher
2. Sounder offensive technique
3. Sounder defensive technique

I see Gomez surviving an early Hamed assault, where possibly Gomez goes down or gets put on queer street, but he recovers and as the fight goes, starts picking Hamed apart with short, crisp punches. It will probably come down to the last couple of rounds and I see Gomez stepping up and taking them through greater force of will.
Thats a decent anaylsis but i just see the guy getting caught cold around the 6th or 7th round. Hamed had too much power and gomez will stand there and trade with him.

[red cobra]

how does he beat hamed, his chin is inferior, hamed is the harder puncher and he carries the weight at 126 alot better tha gomez did.:huh

Im sure anyone can come up with some suggestion as to how hed win, but i just dont see it happening. Hamed should be the heavy favourite.
The Gomez that fought and destroyed Carlos Zarate would have done the same to Hamed and then some. He would have made Hamed look like an amateur BEFORE destroying him. Don't think of the latter day Gomez, who was in decline but the version of 1976-78 who was the complete boxer with catlike moves, complete with a cat's cruel nature when disposing of a toyed-with lesser prey and devastating power. Make no mistake about it, Gomez would have outboxed THEN ko'd Hamed when he was bored with torturing him. Just look at a clip of Gomez-Zarate for proof. Remember that Zarate was just a half step below him in poundage as Bantamweight champion with height and reach advantages, and as you know, considered one of the greatest champions, ever in that divisio. Gomez completely destroyed him after masterfully outboxing and outspeeding him. Then remember that Hamed never fought anyone that compared to Gomez in class. Gomez was a killer who enjoyed his work. He was a bit of a sadist who would have made mincemeat of the overconfidence amateur that was Hamed. Hamed would have REALLY retired after the whipping that Gomez would put on him, ala Barrera.

[red cobra]

Thats a decent anaylsis but i just see the guy getting caught cold around the 6th or 7th round. Hamed had too much power and gomez will stand there and trade with him.
Gomez, of couse, would not have "stood and traded" with Hamed. He was too clever for that. Gomez could box AND punch, and Hamed, like Barerra proved, had no clue of what to do when outboxed by a master, which is what Gomez was during his peak years of '76-'78.

[JohnThomas1]

well i train with revolution fight team, the gym that has tyler jackson and kalib starnes.:good

Who?

:huh

[sweet_scientist]

Who?

:huh

:lol:

Thought the same thing. But I'll take it as a given that that makes him some sort of a bad ass, which of course adds to the credibility of his views. :good

[JohnThomas1]

:lol:

Thought the same thing. But I'll take it as a given that that makes him some sort of a bad ass, which of course adds to the credibility of his views. :good

Credibility? What credibility?

:D

[brownpimp88]

Who?

:huh
you dont know them, lol. Lets just say you dont follow mma.:lol:

[Nemesis]

I'm not sure his chin is inferior. Just becuase he got stopped by Nelson and Sanchez doesn't mean he has an inferior chin. Hamed faced NO ONE of that quality and went down against lesser fighters.

Even giving Hamed the edge in chin though, (and an edge in speed which he'd have as well) the advantages I see that Gomez holds are:

1. Mentally MUCH tougher
2. Sounder offensive technique
3. Sounder defensive technique

I see Gomez surviving an early Hamed assault, where possibly Gomez goes down or gets put on queer street, but he recovers and as the fight goes, starts picking Hamed apart with short, crisp punches. It will probably come down to the last couple of rounds and I see Gomez stepping up and taking them through greater force of will.

completely immaterial!

that fella off 'million dollar baby' (the one who went on about Hearns being WW champ) had better technique that Hamed, but that means nothing as Hamed didnt use conventional technique, he used the Wincobank style of boxing, which heavily relied reflexes, speed, angles and the element of surprise

Gomez would get stopped inside 5 rounds, he is tailor made for Hamed


One last thing, name one fight were hamed was hit by more shots than Gomez was hit with against either Sanchez or Nelson?

[sweet_scientist]

completely immaterial!

that fella off 'million dollar baby' (the one who went on about Hearns being WW champ) had better technique that Hamed, but that means nothing as Hamed didnt use conventional technique, he used the Wincobank style of boxing, which heavily relied reflexes, speed, angles and the element of surprise

Gomez would get stopped inside 5 rounds, he is tailor made for Hamed


One last thing, name one fight were hamed was hit by more shots than Gomez was hit with against either Sanchez or Nelson?

The Barrera fight, which by the way, happened to be the only time Hamed stepped in with a fighter even remotely close to being on a Nelson or Sanchez level. Oh, and Barrera also had sounder offensive and defensive technique than Hamed, which I'm sure you'll agree, proved immaterial :good

[Mob]

If memory serves me correctly, in 1978, Gomez fought and destroyed a far greater fighter in Carlos Zarate who ko'd all but 1 of his total opponents.

but you have to remember.......Zarate was moving up in weight to face Gomez. Gomez was a natural 122 pounder, and when he moved up to featherweight, he wasn't nearly the overwelming fighter he was at 122.

Technique wise, Gomez had it all over Hamed. But as we all saw, Gomez's punching power was't nearly as dominant at 126, nor was his ability to take a punch.

I could see this fight going either way....but no way would Gomez BLOW out Hamed.

[brownpimp88]

The Barrera fight, which by the way, happened to be the only time Hamed stepped in with a fighter even remotely close to being on a Nelson or Sanchez level. Oh, and Barrera also had sounder offensive and defensive technique than Hamed, which I'm sure you'll agree, proved immaterial :good
barrera is aclso an acoomplished featherweight and super featherweight, gomez aint shit at those weights.:good

[sweet_scientist]

barrera is aclso an acoomplished featherweight and super featherweight, gomez aint shit at those weights.:good

That's true. But I tell you what, had Barrera ran into Nelson and Sanchez instead of Hamed and other bantamweights there, he wouldn't have been shit at those weights either.

[brownpimp88]

hed prolly lose to nelson but its not like he wouldnt have a decent chance at beating him. Its not like nelson completely dominated 126/130 and left no doubts. There were other belt holders at 126/130 that nelson didnt fight. If i remember correctly, he wasnt even lineal at either weight.

[sweet_scientist]

hed prolly lose to nelson but its not like he wouldnt have a decent chance at beating him. Its not like nelson completely dominated 126/130 and left no doubts. There were other belt holders at 126/130 that nelson didnt fight. If i remember correctly, he wasnt even lineal at either weight.

He'd have a chance, as would the Gomez who faced Sanchez - a better chance than the past prime one that Nelson disposed of.

Either way, I like Azumah to knock both of em out (Barrera and Gomez).

[RafaelGonzal]

Gomez of the 70's has too much movement, defense and power. Hammed wouldn touch Gomez with his wild Punching and once things settled Gomez would pick him apart. KO in 3 Gomez all the way.

[PhillyPhan69]

LOL...this has to be a joke...Gomez could box as well as drop bombs! Gomez in 8 brutal lopsided rds drops the prince