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Russell
08-17-2007, 07:05 PM
Exaggerated?
For a large amount of his career he didn't weigh much more than 200 pounds, and he's listed at being 6 feet, 1/2 inch feet tall.
Not quite what comes to mind when I visualize him at times, I'd got to admit.
Thoughts? Was he just larger than he really was?
McGrain
08-17-2007, 07:07 PM
Well his size is his size - you can see it written down as you say.
But his physicality is a different matter, that's what people mean when they talk about Liston in the ring.
Stewbear
08-17-2007, 07:08 PM
I always thought he was 215 in his prime...
Guys like him and Foreman were big for their time.
mr. magoo
08-17-2007, 07:15 PM
I always thought he was 215 in his prime...
Guys like him and Foreman were big for their time.
Well, Liston was 6 feet tall and 200 Lbs, which wasn't exactly big even for those days, when you consider that Joe Louis, who came 2 years before Liston was 6'2' and around 205.
robert ungurean
08-17-2007, 07:19 PM
He was like a giant trapped in a smaller for todays HW body.
Super long reach
Giant shoulders,arms & chest.
Biggest fist in HW history last time I heard.
Duodenum
08-17-2007, 07:25 PM
Like Dokes, most of Liston's reach was in his collarbone. His arms were noticably shorter than Cleveland Williams's from shoulder to fist. But his ramrod jab was usually sufficient to keep people off of him, and he had a very durable body. He was very solidly built, not at all too slender or short. With his jab, he'd fit right in today.
JohnThomas1
08-17-2007, 07:32 PM
Well, Liston was 6 feet tall and 200 Lbs, which wasn't exactly big even for those days, when you consider that Joe Louis, who came 2 years before Liston was 6'2' and around 205.
20 years?
mr. magoo
08-17-2007, 07:36 PM
20 years?
Yes,
I meant 20 years, not 2 years :lol:
JohnThomas1
08-17-2007, 07:40 PM
Yes,
I meant 20 years, not 2 years :lol:
Just thought i'd clear that up, was a bit worried hahaha
Bill1234
08-17-2007, 08:00 PM
He still has plenty of muscle. IMO he the perfect example of what a muscular boxer should look like, muscular, but not some body builder.
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Primadonna Kool
08-17-2007, 09:02 PM
I watched a documentary about him, and no one really knew when he was born, or specifically when he died. Approximately he was still fighting when he as 45years old.
Mysterious Cahmpion Sonny Liston.
NickHudson
08-17-2007, 09:09 PM
The weight does not tell the whole story.
I think the distribution of his weight makes him so imposing. He had a very deep and broad chest, and tree trunk arms.
A very impressive physical specimen, and as Bill says, not like a body builder but a more natural contruction
achillesthegreat
08-17-2007, 09:51 PM
I think you can tell his frame was big. Huge shoulders, long arms, big wrists and boulders for fists. He kept in good shape but he grew and I'd say a good 215 was his weight. I also think his legs were quite disproportioned to his upper body. I think he had the legs of someone who was about 6 foot but the upper body of someone who is about 6'5.
Bill1234
08-17-2007, 10:19 PM
He had the legs of Shavers, but he had the upperbody of Primo Carnera.
Look at it this way: Calvin Brock is bigger. But in today's heavyweight scene, he seems smallish. And he's not as strong as Liston.
Mendoza
08-17-2007, 11:15 PM
Like Dokes, most of Liston's reach was in his collarbone. His arms were noticably shorter than Cleveland Williams's from shoulder to fist. But his ramrod jab was usually sufficient to keep people off of him, and he had a very durable body. He was very solidly built, not at all too slender or short. With his jab, he'd fit right in today.
Liston had long arms as well. In one picture in this thread you can see Liston’s arms hanging down well below his belt line, and the arms are still somewhat bent at the elbows. Liston to me had all time tale of the tape type of numbers. Big legs, big arms, huge fists, great reach, and loads of long muscles. Liston was just over a shade over 6 feet tall. The main reason for this is Liston had a very short and thick type of neck. This is to his benefit as short thick necks help a fighter take a punch better than long thin necks.
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ChrisPontius
08-18-2007, 06:14 AM
Exaggerated?
For a large amount of his career he didn't weigh much more than 200 pounds, and he's listed at being 6 feet, 1/2 inch feet tall.
Not quite what comes to mind when I visualize him at times, I'd got to admit.
Thoughts? Was he just larger than he really was?
Indeed he wasn't that big at all, mostly it's exxagerated. He's the same height and weight as Chris Byrd who is seen as a small guy today. 200 pounds was just as much in the 60's as it is right now.
People usually put Liston in the same category as Foreman in terms of size and perception of it.
Old Fogey made the excellent point that Foreman is to Liston like how Liston is to Marciano. You'll hear many people say "Liston is just too big and strong for Marciano" but you won't hear many say "Foreman is just too big and strong for Liston", while all three of them have similar great power & chin.
Watch how Wladimir Klitschko completely dwarfs Byrd. Seeing Lennox Lewis in the ring with Sonny Liston would look similar, the difference being that Lewis outspeeds Liston despite his size. Liston was awefully slow, also p4p.
McGrain
08-18-2007, 07:05 AM
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This is a horrible photograph. It's amazing Patterson's head was still connected to his body after this one.
Bigcat
08-18-2007, 07:15 AM
Charles was 217 for a lot of his career and not that much larger than 6 ft 1 as you say, Than often made him a lot more fearsome because that made him appear compact and lethal. His bicepts and chest were rock solid and he had dead eyes , showed no remorse or emotion and his notoriety superceeded him. Sonny could knock you out with that jab, and he never seemed to be troubled by a lot of punches from anyone.. Like Tyson , it was a lot of that mythical thing that made him what he was..
I love anything about Sonny, I have spent an awful lot of time in Toccos gym in las vegas where Sonny trained for a lot of his fights.. I used tp sit in the dark at night in the bag room, picturing him drilling the heavybag. Sonny was someone iwould have loved to have met, he was awesome..
Duodenum
08-18-2007, 01:30 PM
Liston had long arms as well. In one picture in this thread you can see Liston’s arms hanging down well below his belt line, and the arms are still somewhat bent at the elbows. Liston to me had all time tale of the tape type of numbers. Big legs, big arms, huge fists, great reach, and loads of long muscles. Liston was just over a shade over 6 feet tall. The main reason for this is Liston had a very short and thick type of neck. This is to his benefit as short thick necks help a fighter take a punch better than long thin necks.
[/Oh, don't get me wrong Mendoza, Sonny had freakishly long arms for his size, but Ali was able to hold him at bay with his extended left while waiting for his eyes to clear, and again, it was very obvious that Cleveland Williams also had longer arms, if a shorter overall reach. But Sonny wasn't quite the albatross in arm length that Willard and Carnera were. (They were two of the few who actually could box while moving straight back, although that's a tactical no-no in boxing. Carnera's overall reach was equal to that of Valuev.) With his jab, Liston could make excellent use of his reach, and probably neutralize any advantange in physical strength enjoyed by a Jeffries or Foreman.
Executioner
08-18-2007, 02:33 PM
Not really. His fists are massive, his chest, shoulders and biceps are huge. He's thick. Just by looking at him you can tell he's huge, no need to bother with the stats.
I mean, look at Kermit cintron..5'11" and 147 pounds, sounds kind of skinny but he's massive for 147.
mcvey
08-18-2007, 03:00 PM
Exaggerated?
For a large amount of his career he didn't weigh much more than 200 pounds, and he's listed at being 6 feet, 1/2 inch feet tall.
Not quite what comes to mind when I visualize him at times, I'd got to admit.
Thoughts? Was he just larger than he really was?
Sonny had a 44inch chest which ,if you are around 6 1 is pretty big by any standards
It's amazing Patterson's head was still connected to his body after this one.
Patterson's weight was 24lbs below Liston's.
AnthonyJ74
08-18-2007, 07:02 PM
Indeed he wasn't that big at all, mostly it's exxagerated. He's the same height and weight as Chris Byrd who is seen as a small guy today. 200 pounds was just as much in the 60's as it is right now.
People usually put Liston in the same category as Foreman in terms of size and perception of it.
Old Fogey made the excellent point that Foreman is to Liston like how Liston is to Marciano. You'll hear many people say "Liston is just too big and strong for Marciano" but you won't hear many say "Foreman is just too big and strong for Liston", while all three of them have similar great power & chin.
Watch how Wladimir Klitschko completely dwarfs Byrd. Seeing Lennox Lewis in the ring with Sonny Liston would look similar, the difference being that Lewis outspeeds Liston despite his size. Liston was awefully slow, also p4p.
Yeah, I don't understand how Sonny Liston was always talked about as if he were this huge, imposing guy. And the thing is, there were alot of big heavyweights back in Sonny's day and prior. It might have had something to do with Floyd Patterson being the champion that Liston twice defeated; Patterson was a fairly small heavyweight and next to Sonny Liston, he looked small! I remember watching a replay of the Larry Holmes/Ken Norton fight, and I remember thinking that Holmes looked like a light heavyweight compared to alot of todays fighters.
DocDevil
08-18-2007, 08:42 PM
Sonny Liston aand young George Foreman,were in the 215-220 range.Sonny was big enough to do the job aginst anybody.
JohnThomas1
08-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Sonny Liston aand young George Foreman,were in the 215-220 range.Sonny was big enough to do the job aginst anybody.
Sonny seems to be about the 212 - 215 range and i agree, he had enough size to do the job vs most anybody. Tyson was about 216 vs Holmes, Biggs and Tubbs and his size at that point would not hinder him vs anyone in history. Dynamite.
Manassa
08-18-2007, 09:40 PM
Sonny Liston in his prime was physically the perfect heavyweight. He was a genuine athlete, with as well-rounded proportions as you'll ever see. Strong, flexible, agile and endurable. His speed wasn't bad either, and anyone who challenges that notion should watch some of his earlier fights. Liston at 220lbs was a gargantuan clubber rather than the muscular sharpshooter he was at around 212.
His physique was flawless. A short, bullish neck to withstand heavy bombardment. Enough height to stand tall, enough shortness to stand small. Long arms to beat an opponent to the punch or keep him at bay. Thick legs, strong arms and a muscular torso to protect the vital organs.
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Marciano Frazier
08-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Liston in his prime was about 6'1 1/2" and 215 pounds. However, he was a guy who was, you might say, big for his size. With his broad chest, extremely long reach and huge fists, he was effectively bigger than what his height-weight numbers would tell you.
AnthonyJ74
08-19-2007, 12:48 AM
Funny thing, but Liston was only about 1" taller than Joe Frazier. And Frazier is considered short for a heavyweight.
Marciano Frazier
08-19-2007, 04:12 AM
Funny thing, but Liston was only about 1" taller than Joe Frazier. And Frazier is considered short for a heavyweight. Liston was 6'1 1/2", and Frazier is 5'11 1/2". That seems like two inches to me.
hobgoblin
08-19-2007, 04:28 AM
Exaggerated?
Thoughts? Was he just larger than he really was?
:rofl
14" is hard to believe..it is a bit of a "stretch". :yep
This is known because police found him exposed in his Las Vegas apparent.
Not quite what comes to mind when I visualize him at times, I'd got to admit.
:yep
just kidding...i don't think so...the most important factor about him is that 84" reach - which was real no doubt.
Sonny seems to be about the 212 - 215 range and i agree, he had enough size to do the job vs most anybody. Tyson was about 216 vs Holmes, Biggs and Tubbs and his size at that point would not hinder him vs anyone in history. Dynamite.
Sonny Liston wouldn't survive in modern boxing.
Duodenum
08-19-2007, 07:16 AM
Sonny had a 44 inch chest which, if you are around 6 1 is pretty big by any standardsHell, I'm not impressed by that in the least. My waist is at least 48 inches, and I'm under 5'6"!
Sincerely,
James Toney
ChrisPontius
08-19-2007, 07:18 AM
I thought he was 6'0 or 6'0 1/2 actually, and in his fights it looks like that also.
Ted Stickles
08-19-2007, 08:43 AM
Listons presence made him larger than life
The Whaler
08-19-2007, 02:47 PM
Liston's presence and power was what made him "huge" in the eyes of the public. He had tremendous punching power, and he carried himself in an intimidating manner. Ask yourself this question: if you stepped into the ring would you rather be looking across at Liston or Jameel McCline? It's the same for Tyson. The guy was 5'10'' and 216 lbs. That's pretty damned small for a modern heavyweight, but people always talk about how powerful and big he was because he had so much power and tried to intimidate his opponents.
Liston also liked to put padding under his robe, which made him look bigger.
Liston was 6'1 1/2", and Frazier is 5'11 1/2". That seems like two inches to me.
I think Liston is 6', maybe marginally taller. Ali is 6'3'', and if Lison was truly 6'1.5'' he wouldn't have looked that small against Muhammad.
AnthonyJ74
08-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Liston was 6'1 1/2", and Frazier is 5'11 1/2". That seems like two inches to me.
Liston was listed as being 6 foot even in his Missouri Penitentiary file. It's possible that he was 6'1" with his boxing shoes on.Maybe there was less than 1" between Frazier and Liston.
AnthonyJ74
08-19-2007, 04:11 PM
Liston's presence and power was what made him "huge" in the eyes of the public. He had tremendous punching power, and he carried himself in an intimidating manner. Ask yourself this question: if you stepped into the ring would you rather be looking across at Liston or Jameel McCline? It's the same for Tyson. The guy was 5'10'' and 216 lbs. That's pretty damned small for a modern heavyweight, but people always talk about how powerful and big he was because he had so much power and tried to intimidate his opponents.
Liston also liked to put padding under his robe, which made him look bigger.
I think Liston is 6', maybe marginally taller. Ali is 6'3'', and if Lison was truly 6'1.5'' he wouldn't have looked that small against Muhammad.
I would dispute Ali being 6'3". Both Larry Holmes and George Foreman were listed as 6'3" in their primes, and both of them were taller than Ali. I think Ali was 6'2"; Liston 6'0.
Ask yourself this question: if you stepped into the ring would you rather be looking across at Liston or Jameel McCline?
The answer is Liston.
fg2227
08-19-2007, 05:50 PM
i thought George and holmes were listed as 6, 4
C. M. Clay II
08-20-2007, 01:08 AM
Sonny Liston wouldn't survive in modern boxing.
And with posts like that, you won't survive in the classic section!:yep
C. M. Clay II
08-20-2007, 01:11 AM
Well, Liston was 6 feet tall and 200 Lbs, which wasn't exactly big even for those days, when you consider that Joe Louis, who came 2 years before Liston was 6'2' and around 205.
Liston was a good 10lbs heavier than Louis anyday. Liston was around 212-215.:good
fists of fury
08-20-2007, 03:17 AM
-----------------LISTON----------------------LEWIS
Height:----------6'1"....................................6'5"
Weight:---------214....................................245
Reach-----------84.....................................84
Chest normal:---44......................................44
Waist:----------33......................................34
Biceps:---------16.5....................................17
Neck:-----------17.5...................................18.5
Wrist:-----------8.5....................................8
Calf:------------16.....................................18
Ankle:-----------12.....................................11
Thigh:-----------25.5..................................26
Fist:-------------15....................................12
Forearm:---------14.5..................................15
As you can see from the comparison, Liston compares very well with a modern super heavyweight like Lewis. The big difference is in the height of the two men (which would contribute quite a lot to the weight difference) but if you really look at each measurement in isolation, there isn't that much between them.
And with posts like that, you won't survive in the classic section!:yep
Just because you say it? :finger5
You wanna tell me that he would survive against a Klitschko,Tua,Tyson,Peter etc? The top crop would decapitate Liston.
As you can see from the comparison, Liston compares very well with a modern super heavyweight like Lewis. The big difference is in the height of the two men (which would contribute quite a lot to the weight difference) but if you really look at each measurement in isolation, there isn't that much between them.
A prayer for the desperate. :amen
DamonD
08-20-2007, 05:57 AM
He'd look a bit like an in-shape, slightly condensed Hasim Rahman ;)
Average height and weight for a modern-day HW, but notably thick-set and compact.
fists of fury
08-20-2007, 06:19 AM
A prayer for the desperate. :amen
Desperate? I'm just pointing out a fact. Liston today would easily be 230+ pounds.
ChrisPontius
08-20-2007, 06:33 AM
-----------------LISTON----------------------LEWIS
Height:----------6'1"....................................6'5"
Weight:---------214....................................245
Reach-----------84.....................................84
Chest normal:---44......................................44
Waist:----------33......................................34
Biceps:---------16.5....................................17
Neck:-----------17.5...................................18.5
Wrist:-----------8.5....................................8
Calf:------------16.....................................18
Ankle:-----------12.....................................11
Thigh:-----------25.5..................................26
Fist:-------------15....................................12
Forearm:---------14.5..................................15
As you can see from the comparison, Liston compares very well with a modern super heavyweight like Lewis. The big difference is in the height of the two men (which would contribute quite a lot to the weight difference) but if you really look at each measurement in isolation, there isn't that much between them.
That means very, very little.
You will find that even a lightheavyweight or a cruiserweight is very close to a superheavyweight in those measurements.
But when you see them in the ring you will see how much of a physical mismatch is. Tale of the tape won't tell you that. Viewing the fighters will.
Desperate? I'm just pointing out a fact. Liston today would easily be 230+ pounds
We talk about the oldtimer Liston, not a Roid-Liston if he would take them.
Furthermore, you can't tell if he could maintain same skills with that amount of gaining weight.
NickHudson
08-20-2007, 07:30 AM
Thats interesting, I havent seen toom many LHs who weigh 215 Ib, have a 15 inch fist and a 44 inch chest, all of solid muscle.
Seriously, what on earth on you talking about?
That means very, very little.
You will find that even a lightheavyweight or a cruiserweight is very close to a superheavyweight in those measurements.
But when you see them in the ring you will see how much of a physical mismatch is. Tale of the tape won't tell you that. Viewing the fighters will.
fists of fury
08-20-2007, 07:47 AM
We talk about the oldtimer Liston, not a Roid-Liston if he would take them.
Furthermore, you can't tell if he could maintain same skills with that amount of gaining weight.
Most if not all elite boxers are roided. It's not even debateable anymore.
Lennox Lewis weighed as low as 224 for his bouts with Jean Chanet and Ossie Ocasio, and 225 for his fight with Mike Weaver. Keep in mind that he's 5 inches taller than Liston, whose prime weight was about 218.
His weight ballooned to 240+ (and even 250+) later in his career and he was just as effective. Why should Liston fight any differently at 230 or 235 than he did at 218?
john garfield
08-20-2007, 09:26 AM
He'd look a bit like an in-shape, slightly condensed Hasim Rahman ;)
Average height and weight for a modern-day HW, but notably thick-set and compact.
Thats an excellent description, DD -- captures Sonny perfectly. I spent a lotta time around him in the gym and out and I was searching for just the right words for the clearest picture. You hit it right on the nose!
JohnThomas1
08-20-2007, 09:31 AM
Thats an excellent description, DD -- captures Sonny perfectly. I spent a lotta time around him in the gym and out and I was searching for just the right words for the clearest picture. You hit it right on the nose!
Exactly how powerful did you find he hit John?
john garfield
08-20-2007, 10:58 AM
Exactly how powerful did you find he hit John?
Glad to say he didn't hit me, JT, but he shook the gym when he hit the heavy bag -- frightening.
Bill1234
08-20-2007, 11:09 AM
Sonny Liston wouldn't survive in modern boxing.
I think you mean modern heavyweights wouldn't survive with Sonny Liston. The heavyweights today are the worst theyve ever been. I sometime watch them just to see if one of them actually trained a full 2 days in total for the fight. I am usually disapointed.
McGrain
08-20-2007, 11:10 AM
I think you mean modern heavyweights wouldn't survive with Sonny Liston. The heavyweights today are the worst theyve ever been. I sometime watch them just to see if one of them actually trained a full 2 days in total for the fight. I am usually disapointed.
:lol:
Yeah, Liston would clean house. In most eras.
Most if not all elite boxers are roided.
I doubt that Foreman was roided when he started his come back to grab the title once more. A non-roided Liston would lose to most champions nowadays. A roided Liston may not have same qualities he used to back in the days,you can't tell.
The heavyweights today are the worst theyve ever been. I sometime watch them just to see if one of them actually trained a full 2 days in total for the fight. I am usually disapointed.
I don't care if you like Klitschko's,Tua,Peter etc.
If you think that Klit-bros don't train then you're fool.
NickHudson
08-20-2007, 06:45 PM
How about an in-shape Ray Mercer, except with much longer arms, a stronger chest, bigger fists, more power and more skills;)
He'd look a bit like an in-shape, slightly condensed Hasim Rahman ;)
Average height and weight for a modern-day HW, but notably thick-set and compact.
Bummy Davis
08-20-2007, 06:47 PM
Liston may have only been 6' 1/2 inches but he was still a big man, I met Joe Walcott and he was about 6 ft. but the size of his neck,round head,hands chest made him look imposing and he was over 60, I met Joe Frazier at a party with Larry Holmes and a few other fighters but Frazier in the 80's was more imposing, his shoulders,arms neck and head,freaky strong, and wide shoulders. Height can be one element but also the size of a fighters torso, Liston was thick and had the look,Tua is a Big man at 5"10 and Toney is also at 5"9 even though he has a smaller frame than the rest
The Whaler
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
I would dispute Ali being 6'3". Both Larry Holmes and George Foreman were listed as 6'3" in their primes, and both of them were taller than Ali. I think Ali was 6'2"; Liston 6'0.
Possibly. I remember watching Ringside on ESPN Classic and Angelo Dundee mentioned Ali's height as 6'2''.
The Whaler
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
Sonny Liston is and will continue to be the most underrated heavyweight champion in history. Many people forget that Liston's best days were before actually won the title. Before he fought patterson he was more feared than a peak mike tyson!
:happy
It's those two losses to Ali that destroyed his reputation. People have forgotten what a beast this man was in his prime.
Would wipe the floor with the heavyweights of today.
Bill1234
08-20-2007, 09:57 PM
:lol:
Yeah, Liston would clean house. In most eras.\
Yup.
ironchamp
08-20-2007, 10:16 PM
Sonny Liston is and will continue to be the most underrated heavyweight champion in history. Many people forget that Liston's best days were before actually won the title. Before he fought patterson he was more feared than a peak mike tyson!
Disagree....
Peak Tyson brought fear to a new plateau. People were mesmerized by his ability, unlike most big punchers Tyson was actually refined. So was Liston to an extent but his lack of handspeed made him less impressive.
JohnThomas1
08-21-2007, 04:57 AM
Glad to say he didn't hit me, JT, but he shook the gym when he hit the heavy bag -- frightening.
Thanks John, i could only imagine.
ChrisPontius
08-21-2007, 06:56 AM
Disagree....
Peak Tyson brought fear to a new plateau. People were mesmerized by his ability, unlike most big punchers Tyson was actually refined. So was Liston to an extent but his lack of handspeed made him less impressive.
In addition to that, Tyson had a fearful winning streak of 10 consecutive top rank contenders who were all beaten decisively, whereas Liston only managed to beat 4 top ranked contenders in his winning streak. Big difference if you ask me.
Before he fought patterson he was more feared than a peak mike tyson
Liston had by no means the qualities Tyson had.
Marciano Frazier
08-21-2007, 02:47 PM
I would dispute Ali being 6'3". Both Larry Holmes and George Foreman were listed as 6'3" in their primes, and both of them were taller than Ali. I think Ali was 6'2"; Liston 6'0. I generally saw Foreman listed at 6'3 1/2" or 6'3 3/4". He doesn't look more than an inch taller than Ali to me.
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08-21-2007, 04:22 PM
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Bill1234
08-21-2007, 08:28 PM
I think Ali is 6'2 1/2, and Liston is 6'1, and Holmes is 6'3 1/2, and Foreman is 6'4. Larry is noticably taller than Ali, and so is Foreman. Foreman is slightly taller than Larry though.
Sonny's jab
08-21-2007, 08:30 PM
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sonny would own most of the more modern champs........his perceived size is more to do with his menacing aura....believe me, any man his size with that power hits ANYONE on the chin and the fat lady is gonna warm her vocal chords...its over.....he actually does pretty well in the first ali fight...and the guy was well past his peak then.....a peak liston is a top ten atg heavyweight, maybe a top 5.....
Seamus
08-21-2007, 10:27 PM
:happy
Would wipe the floor with the heavyweights of today.
he'd fare as well as all the other smallish heavies, i.e. a fringe contender.
this thread contains more man-love than i can handle. a motel room is in order.
JohnThomas1
08-22-2007, 03:23 AM
he'd fare as well as all the other smallish heavies, i.e. a fringe contender.
this thread contains more man-love than i can handle. a motel room is in order.
I thought you might happen to appear in here
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