Why didn't Eubank face Nunne or Toney?

[Mike_S]

Seems like he had the chance inbetween the second Watson and Benn fights?

[faisal]

he ducked both apparently,

[dwilson]

He knew he was on a good thing fighting safer oppenents over here.

[PaddyD1983]

I remember reading somewhere that Toney wouldnt come to England to fight Benn and Benn wouldnt go over there to fight Toney. Not sure whether it was the same story between Eubank and Toney.

Nunn, dont know.

[Mike_S]

Nunne was saying he wanted the winner of Eubank-Watson 2, he was at ringside.

[Betty Swollocks]

He ducked Toney, he was happy picking up big cheques fighting lesser fighters in the UK.

[Beeston Brawler]

The Toney interview where he dissed both Benn and Eubank was hilarious.

I have the IBF title, Benn has the WBC title - and the other one.... we don't even count that!

James 'The Truth' Toney :deal

I would have given either Benn or Eubank a fair shake at beating Toney, Eubank more-so.....

[Mike_S]

Excellent wisemanking, cheers for that.

[trotter]

The Toney interview where he dissed both Benn and Eubank was hilarious.

I have the IBF title, Benn has the WBC title - and the other one.... we don't even count that!

James 'The Truth' Toney :deal

I would have given either Benn or Eubank a fair shake at beating Toney, Eubank more-so.....

"I'll whup you and your mamma's ass" I seem to recall

Absolute gold, totally not what you expect to see on primetime saturday night TV. Toney is a legendary shit talker.

Benn was disgusted, genuinely... "He's as thick as two short planks of wood" he said

One of my all time fondest memories is that exchange

I think Mickey Rourke was alongside Toney giving it the big one, pity Benn couldn't have got him in the ring and shown him what being a hard man is really about, that I would have loved to see

[hit me HARDER]

Toney (via live video link, talking about Benn & Eubank): "Ill whoop they and they Momma's asses"

Eubank: "Did he just say something about my Mother?"

[kayjay]

I recall Barry Hearn say in an documentary,that Don King would have options on the winner of Benn-Eubank II (actually both guys win or loose).
He was planning on taking whoever won over to the states to face his fighter who was Nunn.
But because a draw was not mentioned in the contract,King couldn't get his sticky fingers on them.

[BamBam]

Toney would have splattered both of them at the time. Toney was in the top 5 P4P around the time you were talking about

[Dunky McCafferty]

I would have given either Benn or Eubank a fair shake at beating Toney, Eubank more-so.....

No way.
Eubanks style would have meant that he would have lost a wide UD to Toney, you simply cant fight for a minute a round against Toney.

Benn would have had the better chance of the two.

[hitman_hatton1]

No way.
Eubanks style would have meant that he would have lost a wide UD to Toney, you simply cant fight for a minute a round against Toney.

Benn would have had the better chance of the two.

toney weren't exactly a mr busy himself was he.

even in his prime he could be lazy.

in saying all that i also think toney beats both.

certainly benn.

eubank fight would have been cagier and more debateable i think.

[jc]

They were not o his doorstep the same way Benn and Watson were...

Both Nunn and Toney wouldve beaten Eubank.

[Redondo5]

Thanks wisemanking......


I think Eubank would sneak a decision against Toney in the UK...... maybe lose in the US on points

Eubank would beat Bubb...... but struggle against Mccallum.....


Mike Mccallum was the most underated fighter..... he beat Herol Graham, Watson and Collins

[TFFP]

Eubank had a better chance vs. Toney. Benn's aggressive style would have been chewed up and spat out. You can't try and knock this guy out. He would have absorbed whatever Benn brought early. When he got close he would have countered him at mid-range/inside, and Toney was a big puncher at 168.

Eubank's more awkward style would have helped him. It's better to try and outbox Toney. His most inconsistent performances were against outboxers.

[Axl_Nose]

Nunn and Toney were never seriously on the radar of Benn or Eubank .. Eubank signed an incredible 6 or 8 (cant quite remember how many) fight deal with SKY at that point, that basically means that SKY didnt want to put him in with any opponent that had a chance of beating him, at least until the last fight of his contract. Thats the problem with boxers who sign long term deals with TV companies, it was the same with Naz .. Naz and Eubank may have wanted to fight dangerous opponents but SKY and HBO called the shots on they're career's and they took the money ..
Also there was a lot of money on offer 'domestically' for Eubank and Benn that they didnt need to risk fighting Toney or Nunn ..
Nunn was supposed to fight the winner of the Benn/Eubank re-match, he was at ringside and it was called a draw .. I thought that was dodgy at the time, Benn clearly won by a couple of rounds for me and im certain that was a politically corrupt decision in that both fighters were able to keep they're belts for other 'big money' nights. A total disgrace !!
In my opinion Benn and Eubank would have been beaten by Nunn, knocked out by Toney and totally wiped out against Jones Jr in that particular super-middle era. While it was a good domestic era, America was loaded with superior fighters at that time and i'll add Mike McCallum to that list.
McCallum took care of Graham, Watson and Collins easily, it doesnt take a huge imagination that he would have done the same to Benn and Eubank .. My view on McClellan is that he was a dynamite puncher who always had a very loose defence, yeah he was destructive but like alot of destructive/bully punchers he had alot of flaws. And a lot of the generated hype for McClellan was based on alot of 1 round ko's (like Tyson, at that point everyone was searching for the next Tyson) and the Julian Jackson wins.
McClellan hadnt been tested by a real quality fighter like Nunn, Toney, Jones or Mccallum ..

[brown bomber]

Eubank and Benn would both have beaten the Nunn who lost to Stephen Johnson (rip) and the Toney outscored by Drake Thadzi (!!) and Montel Griffin. Just because they didn't take the step up doesn't mean they couldn't. Eub and Benn weren't immobile heavys or Iran Barkley or Prince Charles Williams who had horrible defences and would happily stand and trade their guts with any opponents skills.

[PowerPuncher]

That's the thing, Toney built everything off slipping the jab. That is why Roy Jones lead with the left hook. Jab at Toney, no matter how well, and he will slip it, then roll the right hand over.

Toney eat's jabs, and cakes.

And burgers, pies, big tubs of lard

Seriously liked the prior analysis Terrior

[Brummy1976]

Toney (via live video link, talking about Benn & Eubank): "Ill whoop they and they Momma's asses"

Eubank: "Did he just say something about my Mother?":rofl:rofl:rofl

[robpalmer135]

been vs toney was my choice for the buncey hour fantasy fight.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I am not usually wrong about these things and I think any sincere and honest appraisal would realise that all guys at the top of their game both Nunn and Toney would beat Benn and Eubank. Even by their own admission Benn and Eubank really did not fancy it. Toney had way to much for both guys

[PaddyD1983]

been vs toney was my choice for the buncey hour fantasy fight.

What won that? I went for Conteh v Calzaghe

[Brummy1976]

I am not usually wrong about these things and I think any sincere and honest appraisal would realise that all guys at the top of their game both Nunn and Toney would beat Benn and Eubank. Even by their own admission Benn and Eubank really did not fancy it. Toney had way to much for both guysAlthough i think eubank gives toney a good run he gets outpointed, Benn gets stopped by both imo.Buncey made a big deal on his show about eubank and benn being avoided by these two and jones jnr, when eubank appeared on the show.I like buncey, but on this subject he's full of shite, they were'nt scared one little bit !

[ApatheticLeader]

[quote=Terry D;3438922]The guys who first beat him, Jones and Montell, did so with smart footwork, laid down by Futch in the McCallum fights. Stepping off when Toney rolls and then leading with left hooks/curved shot, then stepping off when Toney rolls his right hand.

Chris had shit footwork, he nearly KO'd himself at times when trying to move well. I explain it better below:

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Hurrah!!!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Although i think eubank gives toney a good run he gets outpointed, Benn gets stopped by both imo.Buncey made a big deal on his show about eubank and benn being avoided by these two and jones jnr, when eubank appeared on the show.I like buncey, but on this subject he's full of shite, they were'nt scared one little bit !

You are spot on 100% correct.

[p.Townend]

It does seem he ducked both in favour of taking easy fights and building up a big bank balance.Toney was pushing for a fight at one time but Eubank did not seem interested.I also remember Benn saying on the radio"no way,no chance" when asked if he was going to fight mccallum.

[sitiyzal]

The Toney interview where he dissed both Benn and Eubank was hilarious.

I have the IBF title, Benn has the WBC title - and the other one.... we don't even count that!

James 'The Truth' Toney :deal

I would have given either Benn or Eubank a fair shake at beating Toney, Eubank more-so.....

"If you wanna earn some real money, fight James Toney"

huh??

Toe curling stuff from Toney.

[superdan1875]

I think at Middleweight Eubank could have beaten anyone.

RJJ would have had some serious problems fighting Eubank at this weight

[DOM5153]

I think at Middleweight Eubank could have beaten anyone.

RJJ would have had some serious problems fighting Eubank at this weight

i agree with uou there, Eubank wouldn't outpoint him but would certainly have the smarts to kand a decent punch... who knows how good RJJ chin was back then. I presume it was average before his ill-fated move back down to Light Heavy

[Mantequilla]

Eubank definitely did not have "shit" footwork when he was on the backfoot, even though he could always be a bit inconsistentor sloppy.His technical problems with his feet were in integrating his punching and remainging on balance while doing so when forced into a steady stalking role.

[achillesthegreat]

Eubank admits he didn't need Jones, Toney and co. He was making nice pay days in Britain and throw in the odd domestic rivalry with Watson, Collins and Benn and he had the huge fights on his resume.

[Mandanda]

The Toney interview where he dissed both Benn and Eubank was hilarious.

I have the IBF title, Benn has the WBC title - and the other one.... we don't even count that!

James 'The Truth' Toney :deal

I would have given either Benn or Eubank a fair shake at beating Toney, Eubank more-so.....
Funny thing is James now goes around calling himself the IBA Heavyweight Champion Of The World. James was the Truth back then for sure :good

[KCD]

he ducked both apparently,


I remember reading a few years back that Eubank in an interview said he was happy being a big fish in a small pond instead of a small fish in a big pond.....or something along them lines.

In other words i really dont think he wanted any part of the "elite".

[atberry]

I would fight on the Moon if the money was right. The money must be right. Listen, everywhere I go in the United Kingdom - 'It's Eubank.' I go to Germany, I get noticed, they puff their torsos out to me in the street.

When I take my wife to New York on a shopping trip, nobody knows me and it's a breath of fresh air. I'm not a fantasist, this is real life. But I was mortal four years ago, you know?

I can't delete my charisma, I don't want to become known in the United States, if truth be told. But obviously if the money is on the table, I'll grab it, of course I will - I'm only human.

If it's Gerald McClellan, or James Toney... Roy Junior Jones. Make the match, give me my money. It's out of my hands, but I certainly don't need these type of gentlemen now with this television deal, maybe in about 10 months from now.

But yes, I mean, bring it on, really.


-June '94

[atberry]

Eubank's footwork was often what set him apart.

Look closely at Eubank-Watson I, and it's the footwork. Eubank's on an entirely different level, making Watson's appear plain plodding by comparison.

[atberry]

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Watch 1 min 30 secs in -
Wow!


His footwork was immaculate in this fight.

[Club Fighter]

I suspect Eubank was a lil' yellow. With good reason, too, cuz Lights Out would have handed him an ass-whoopin'. He didn't mind if Lights Out called him a woman, he was willing to accept that as long as he didn't have to step in the ring with him. It's a pity because that would have been a nice W on James' record.

[Raashid]

"The WBC stands for we be crooks. And the WBO, we don't even count that", Toney was funny back then, I think even the audience laughed at that.

I do recall the idea behind Benn-Eubank II was to facilitate a unification tourny, the winner to fight Nunn.
I remember reading an article where Don King expressed his displeasure with Eubank and Hearn after the Benn fight because Eubank went his own way, rather then stay with the unification plan.
Remember when Nunn fought Steve Littles on the undercard of a Benn fight? The idea was to hype a Benn-Nunn unification fight, which went pear-shaped again due to Nunn losing!
I think one reason King brought Mclellan over to fight Benn was because he was fed up of trying to manipulate the UK fighters so wanted Mclellan to bump Benn off, and Benn knew it too:
"They brought him over here to bash me up"

[mrbassie]

I think toney would beat eubank pretty handily, it'd probably go the distance but I can only see one winner. Nunn on the other hand could be ko'd if you caught him-as Toney proved and eubank was a bigger puncher, it would still be a difficult fight though.

[essexboy]

Seems like he had the chance inbetween the second Watson and Benn fights?

Toney, Nunn, Kalambay, McCallum, Jones Jr. Apparently they all ducked him.

[Mantequilla]

Toney didn't want any part of Kalambay either incidentally.Sumbu deserved that fight after McCallum, even though he was past his best, but Toney preferred the Dell'aquilla's and Tiberi's of the world instead.

[atberry]

Eubank did actually sign contracts to fight both Nunn and Toney, Nunn as part of the Benn II deal and Toney as part of the Sky TV deal.

[LiamE]

I suspect Eubank was a lil' yellow.

Yeah he must have been yellow to the bone to sign up for 24 rounds with a prime Nigel Benn.

:patsch

[Boro chris]

Toney didn't want any part of Kalambay either incidentally.Sumbu deserved that fight after McCallum, even though he was past his best, but Toney preferred the Dell'aquilla's and Tiberi's of the world instead.

Don't blame him. Kalambay was a level above Toney. He'd have taken him to the cleaners.

[HMSTempleGarden]

he signed a deal with Sky for something like £20 million for his next 10 fights.

no point in taking big risks and damaging your health when that amount of money was guranteed.

[atberry]

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