View Full Version : Frank ******: 'Calzaghe split was the biggest disappointment. Total disloyalty..
The Calzaghe thing was the biggest disappointment I've ever had," he says, as softly spoken as ever but now leaning forward, eyes shining. "Total disloyalty."The words hang in the air, while I dare to suggest that the now retired champ seems like a bright and decent fellow. "In some ways he is, but he's also small-minded, with a little bit of that green eye. He used to moan years ago that he didn't get the same publicity as Ricky Hatton and Prince Naseem. Well, Ricky went out and promoted himself. He got off his arse, doing after-dinner speaking and all that, though the downside of that was that he became a boozer. And Naz captured a whole generation of young boxing fans. I did deals with TV for Joe on the back of him. I said, 'We've got Naz, we've got [Frank] Bruno, and we've got Calzaghe ... if you want them you've got to take him as well'. That's how we got him going."
As for Naseem and Hatton, they too eventually divorced themselves from ******. If he'd bought loyalty every time he lost a fighter, his Hertfordshire mansion would look like Battersea Dogs' Home.
"Well," he says, "with Ricky I expected it deep down. There wasn't huge closeness there. But I did a good job with him. He'd banked seven million quid even before he beat Kosta Tszyu, so if Kosta had beaten him he'd have been set up. That's my philosophy. Get 'em to the stage where they're OK even if it goes tits up." A heavy sigh. "Calzaghe banked £18m with me, and sure, I made money too. That's the business I'm in. If I don't make money they're not going to make money. On his own he did some stupid deals. The 50-50 deal with [Bernard] Hopkins was ridiculous, and not learning from it, doing another 50-50 with [Roy] Jones..."
****** shakes his head at what might have been. "It's like Arsenal signing Arshavin. It all went to the wire because everyone was playing their cards. Whatever sport you're in, you go in to negotiate with your best cards. But Roy Jones couldn't get arrested before the Calzaghe fight. Why give him half the promotion? Crazy."
I ask him whether he has seen Calzaghe since. "I've had one meeting with him, at a hotel in Paddington. It got very heated. His father never wanted it [the split], you know. He kept sending me texts saying I was the best fella in the world. Of course, I appreciated his position. Blood's thicker than water. But like I said to him, if my kids do something wrong, I'm there for them, I'll love and support them, but I will also tell them that they've done wrong."
Needless to add, ****** is well aware that one, two or all three of the young boxers he has fighting in Birmingham later this month might, somewhere down the line, do a Calzaghe. For boxing people, there are almost as many occupational hazards outside the ring as there are inside. But while they are with him, they will get the benefit of decades of astute matchmaking in a sport that ****** believes is healthier than ever. "People talk about the good old days but even Wembley back then only held 10,000. We do shows now where we get 20,000, in the O2 Arena or up at the MEN."
And what about the astute matchmaking? What does he consider to have been his greatest triumphs?
"Oh, sending Danny Williams over and seeing him knock out [Mike] Tyson, that was a good bit of matchmaking. Calzaghe beating [Jeff] Lacy, Hatton beating Tszyu. The knockout punch is about perfect timing, and so is matchmaking, picking the right guy at the right time. I think I've been good at it. I've managed more British, European and world champions than anyone. But you never know. At the moment I've got Amir Khan fighting [Marco Antonio] Barrera, and I'm hoping I've got it right but I might not have. It's a responsibility, looking after somebody's kid. That's why I like to meet the parents. The other week I met [Tony] Jeffries, the kid from Sunderland. I made him my offer and his dad wanted to take it, but the lad said he'd been offered huge money elsewhere. I said, 'Great, but it's undeliverable.' He said, 'Well, I'm going with it.' Sure enough, the guy couldn't deliver. So Jeffries came back to me and asked for the deal I'd offered. I said, 'I'm sorry, that bus has gone, I've spent the money elsewhere.' And that was that. A great shame, really."
Beeston Brawler
02-13-2009, 04:39 PM
I must be the biggest ****** critic on the Brit forum, with possibly Scurla and Jeff excepted.
But leaving ****** and subsquently giving Roy a 50-50 split was crazy in financial terms.
I bet Roy couldn't believe his luck.
Yes it does seem like a crazy deal when put like that :blood
achillesthegreat
02-13-2009, 04:50 PM
"Get 'em to the stage where they're OK even if it goes tits up".
Beeston Brawler
02-13-2009, 04:52 PM
In other words give them jack shit until they threaten to leave, then feed them a bit more in decent fights, then get them a big fight.....
Then DLH is on the phone offering them three times what they have ever done before, and they fuck off!
Decebal
02-13-2009, 05:00 PM
...lest we forget, most of these guys wouldn't have made half the money they made with ******, without him. So yeah...easy defences, etc. sure...but it's a business and that's the bottom line.
GazOC
02-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Yes it does seem like a crazy deal when put like that :blood
Maybe not when you factor in that Calzaghe was splitting 50/50 of everything. Not 60/40 (or whatever) less ******s take.....
I'm not saying its a better deal because I don't know the figures but its not as simple as ****** is making out.
Decebal
02-13-2009, 05:08 PM
Maybe not when you factor in that Calzaghe was splitting 50/50 of everything. Not 60/40 (or whatever) less ******s take.....
I'm not saying its a better deal because I don't know the figures but its not as simple as ****** is making out.
Indeed. 70% of 70% of the pot = 49% of the pot < 50% which Calzaghe got.
(30% going to ****** from the top and 70/30 split for Calzaghe from the rest)
...however...the pot would have been bigger with ****** behind the wheel.;)
GazOC
02-13-2009, 05:11 PM
I agree mate, how much bigger is the important thing when we're trying to crunch the numbers for this fight though, eh?
;O)
Decebal
02-13-2009, 05:32 PM
I agree mate, how much bigger is the important thing when we're trying to crunch the numbers for this fight though, eh?
;O)
:lol:;):yep
Bodysnatcher
02-13-2009, 05:53 PM
Seems a bit spiteful not to keep that offer for Jeffries on the table. It's not like he couldn't have rustled up the cash again.
robpalmer135
02-13-2009, 05:59 PM
Seems a bit spiteful not to keep that offer for Jeffries on the table. It's not like he couldn't have rustled up the cash again.
welcome to the real world mate, it doesnt work like that. i wonder who it was that offered jeffries big money.
Bodysnatcher
02-13-2009, 06:02 PM
welcome to the real world mate, it doesnt work like that. i wonder who it was that offered jeffries big money.
Hobson, wasn't it?
welcome to the real world mate, it doesnt work like that. i wonder who it was that offered jeffries big money.
Hobson, I presume. Jeffries signed with him but the deal fell apart.
Just one point I'd like to make, how is Hatton v Tszyu a great piece of matchmaking from ******? Hatton demanded the fight and ****** was reluctant to make it or something and he thought Hatton would lose. Now he's claiming credit for making the fight.
Beeston Brawler
02-13-2009, 06:19 PM
I think he made Hatton vs Tszyu grudgingly...... half hoping that Ricky would get his ass handed to him.
That way.... he could play Prof. Hindsight and regain control over his career.
mike464
02-13-2009, 06:23 PM
It was a bit of a stupid move leaving ****** with just one or two fights left, especially to fight a shot to shit Roy Jones who he'd previously said he had no intention to fight. Frank wanted him to fight Pavlik and Joe didn't fancy it which is a shame for him because there's a good chance he would have won.
Anyway, now he's retired and boxing's all the better for it.
mike464
02-13-2009, 06:26 PM
Hobson, I presume. Jeffries signed with him but the deal fell apart.
Just one point I'd like to make, how is Hatton v Tszyu a great piece of matchmaking from ******? Hatton demanded the fight and ****** was reluctant to make it or something and he thought Hatton would lose. Now he's claiming credit for making the fight.No doubt. I was under the impression that FW wanted to get Hatton a WBO title but it was clear that the only chance of Hatton signing a new contract was if he got the Zoo fight.
Dunky McCafferty
02-13-2009, 11:45 PM
I must be the biggest ****** critic on the Brit forum, with possibly Scurla and Jeff excepted.
But leaving ****** and subsquently giving Roy a 50-50 split was crazy in financial terms.
I bet Roy couldn't believe his luck.
Ask yourself this though.
After ****** had taken his 'cut' from the fight, would Joe had been better or worse off taking a 50/50 split?
hitman_hatton1
02-14-2009, 01:41 AM
******'s a bitter old man. :roll:
Dunky McCafferty
02-14-2009, 01:53 AM
******'s a bitter old man. :roll:
A bitter old man who knew your boys Ricky Hattons level, now your favourite son is going to go down as that, a nearly man.
Once he loses to the smaller Pacman, Team Ricky will realise that Frank ****** is the best thing that can happen to an english fighter.
Trust me on this one, cos I was right the last time.
hitman_hatton1
02-14-2009, 01:58 AM
A bitter old man who knew your boys Ricky Hattons level, now your favourite son is going to go down as that, a nearly man.
Once he loses to the smaller Pacman, Team Ricky will realise that Frank ****** is the best thing that can happen to an english fighter.
Trust me on this one, cos I was right the last time.
a nearly man my arse.
light welterweight champion of the world. :deal
falling short against a talent like mayweather don't deserve the tag of nearly man ya silly arse.
scott harrison earned that tag. :yep
hitman_hatton1
02-14-2009, 01:59 AM
Trust me on this one, cos I was right the last time.
just like u were right on alex arthur. :patsch
GazOC
02-14-2009, 02:30 AM
I think Hatton record after he left ****** is a lot better than it was when he was with ******. I bet he's earned a damn site more as well.
The Prodigy
02-14-2009, 04:56 AM
So it is safe to say that if Joe had stayed with ****** and they tried to make the Jones or Hopkins fights they would never have happened because ****** would have refused to have a 50/50 split,demanding something like 70/30 with options on future bouts.
If more fighters just fucked off their promoters and agreed to 50/50 splits we would probably see a lot more of the top guys fighting each other:deal
El Cepillo
02-14-2009, 07:07 AM
I must be the biggest ****** critic on the Brit forum, with possibly Scurla and Jeff excepted.
But leaving ****** and subsquently giving Roy a 50-50 split was crazy in financial terms.
I bet Roy couldn't believe his luck.
I don't know. Calzaghe wasn't exactly a marquee name for American audiences, they bought the PPV to see Roy Jones.
El Cepillo
02-14-2009, 07:10 AM
A bitter old man who knew your boys Ricky Hattons level, now your favourite son is going to go down as that, a nearly man.
Once he loses to the smaller Pacman, Team Ricky will realise that Frank ****** is the best thing that can happen to an english fighter.
Trust me on this one, cos I was right the last time.
The linear champ at 140....a ranked P4Per....."nearly man?" :patsch
rumour24tiger
02-14-2009, 07:35 AM
A bitter old man who knew your boys Ricky Hattons level, now your favourite son is going to go down as that, a nearly man.
Once he loses to the smaller Pacman, Team Ricky will realise that Frank ****** is the best thing that can happen to an english fighter.
Trust me on this one, cos I was right the last time.How on earth can Hatton be regarded as a nearly man?
Michael Brodie was a nearly man, winning traditional belts, engaging in some thrilling fights and getting robbed in a world title fight.
Hatton has beaten Tszyu, earned millions and millions, has collected world title belts like they were sausage rolls.
No nearly man can go into PBF and Pac fights getting a substantial cut, regardless of how the fights turn out.
Beeston Brawler
02-14-2009, 08:23 AM
I'm not sure about the Calzaghe Jones thing - but I agree with ****** that Jones wasn't really worth a 50-50 split.
Whether he would have earned more from another fight with ****** on board, or with ****** negotiating a larger cut for him I'm not sure.
The total disloyalty thing is a bit rich though....... he was with him for 12 years.
It's a good job Fwank isn't in football.
I'm not sure about the Calzaghe Jones thing - but I agree with ****** that Jones wasn't really worth a 50-50 split.
Whether he would have earned more from another fight with ****** on board, or with ****** negotiating a larger cut for him I'm not sure.
The total disloyalty thing is a bit rich though....... he was with him for 12 years.
It's a good job Fwank isn't in football.
Beeston, Leeds are 1-0 down against Huddersfield :happy:happy:happy:happy
Beeston Brawler
02-14-2009, 08:33 AM
How surprising.
hitman_hatton1
02-14-2009, 10:08 AM
a guy that stayed with ****** for 11 yrs.
then leaves for 1 fight.
which turned out to be his last.
and he's being accused of total disloyalty. :huh
ludicrous comment.
the man is so one sided it's untrue. :verysad
hitman_hatton1
02-14-2009, 10:15 AM
Ricky went out and promoted himself. He got off his arse, doing after-dinner speaking and all that, though the downside of that was that he became a boozer.
what a load of old claptrap.
hatton was always partial to a pint.
right from the word go pretty much.
he grew up in a pub ffs. :yep
he's making out he became a drinker thru his after dinner speaking gigs.
rubbish. :verysad
surreal deal
02-14-2009, 03:08 PM
Maybe not when you factor in that Calzaghe was splitting 50/50 of everything. Not 60/40 (or whatever) less ******s take.....
I'm not saying its a better deal because I don't know the figures but its not as simple as ****** is making out.
Thats what i thought.****** being out of the equation adds a zero or 2.
Moreover,maybe Joe didnt mind Jones having half the money.He maybe thought 'theres a big enough pot,let Roy have half,im cool with that'.
surreal deal
02-14-2009, 03:13 PM
His articles after Joe's retirement were interesting;He would shoehorn in attacks on Joe wherever he could,usually as tenuous nonsequitas.
EG..'Great fighter Joe...or 'no show joe' as he was known,due to,...blah blah':roll:......it got absurd.
where did ****** find calzaghe
****** got calzaghe to jump ship from mickey diff and come sign for him.
why then with ****** using tap up measures to fuck up his rivals boxers contracts ,does he beleive in loyalty and that fighters should remain loyal to him ?
when a boxer leaves him to fight for themselves or for another promoter , thats his business mantra .
what goes around comes around and this time it bit him in his wallett.
trotter
02-14-2009, 05:40 PM
Ricky went out and promoted himself. He got off his arse, doing after-dinner speaking and all that, though the downside of that was that he became a boozer.
what a load of old claptrap.
hatton was always partial to a pint.
right from the word go pretty much.
he grew up in a pub ffs. :yep
he's making out he became a drinker thru his after dinner speaking gigs.
rubbish. :verysad
As Surreal deal suggests, ****** shoehorns in insults all over the place, he is singing Hatton's praises (to put Joe down, of course) but still has to attach a dig at Hatton while he's at it
He can't help himself
The man is a despicable cunt
HeavyT
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
Biotter as fuck just cause he wasnt making money from it... 50/50 with Jones was a little stupid, but Jones was the big attraction in the US
hitman_hatton1
02-15-2009, 11:02 AM
The man is a despicable cunt
there's not many people i hate in this world.
****** is one of them. :yep
doggyland
02-15-2009, 06:05 PM
How long will this forum go no about ****** in the pious mightier than thou fashion? Apart from his goonernicity - i have no right to judge him or his fighters..If you want to make a living in the game then he is a good route to take.
..If you want to be 'internet renowned P4P NO1 fighter of all-comers' then perhaps not!
What route would you push your 19 year old son to take??
GazOC
02-15-2009, 06:10 PM
What route would you push your 19 year old son to take??
Every career move would be decided by an open poll on the General Forum.
doggyland
02-15-2009, 06:17 PM
Every career move would be decided by an open poll on the General Forum.
The management's main role would be ' which tune does he enter to ? '
:lol:
safe_pa
02-15-2009, 06:28 PM
I can think of an example of disloyalty,
Denying a young British fighter, someone like Jennings perhaps, the chance to have the biggest fight of his career, so far, shown on a national scale because he fell out with the network showing that particular card.
I hope this example never happens.
GazOC
02-15-2009, 06:31 PM
Whats going on with that fight? Who's showing it?
dan-b
02-15-2009, 07:04 PM
I can think of an example of disloyalty,
Denying a young British fighter, someone like Jennings perhaps, the chance to have the biggest fight of his career, so far, shown on a national scale because he fell out with the network showing that particular card.
I hope this example never happens.
Good post.
Dunky McCafferty
02-16-2009, 01:33 AM
a nearly man my arse.
light welterweight champion of the world. :deal
falling short against a talent like mayweather don't deserve the tag of nearly man ya silly arse.
scott harrison earned that tag. :yep
Lets see how history treats Hatton when he loses to Pac. of course he will be lauded on these shores forever more, but the thought of him being KO'd in his two career defining fights will mean hes only a legend where it doesnt really matter, in his home country, like the Brunos, Minters etc. He will be seen as that level, & thats not such a bd thing.
Just keeping it real!
p.Townend
02-17-2009, 12:29 PM
Joe thought he could make more money on his own,i cant see ******s problem really if he had walked after the Lacy fight maybe but Joe stuck with ****** right up to his last fight why shouldn`t he make a little more at the end of such a long career.
"TKO"
02-17-2009, 01:14 PM
Lets see how history treats Hatton when he loses to Pac. of course he will be lauded on these shores forever more, but the thought of him being KO'd in his two career defining fights will mean hes only a legend where it doesnt really matter, in his home country, like the Brunos, Minters etc. He will be seen as that level, & thats not such a bd thing.
Just keeping it real!
:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch Dunky my man, if Hatton does lose to Pac (and he is certainly a live underdog), that will be two pound for pound #1 fighters and all time greats. In the process beating two more pound for pounders and a number of other good champions/contenders. If it doesn't matter how he is seen in his home country then where precisely does it matter? And as for Brunos and Minters, I don't recall those guys ever being on top of their division for four years and in the pound for pound rankings for a good proportion of it.
But then again, he's a nasty little Englander so to hell with objectivity ;-)
I think Dunky's just trying to reel people in with the Hatton 'nearly man' comment when he's far from that and a credit to British boxing
Dunky McCafferty
02-17-2009, 10:12 PM
But then again, he's a nasty little Englander so to hell with objectivity ;-)
Read my comments about Haye, Khan & Skelton. I dont base my opinion of a fighter solely on his nationality. The proof is in the archive.
I feel that I should post a wink here, just to get it right up you.
But hey, Im not the petty sort unlike your good self.
Dunky McCafferty
02-17-2009, 10:23 PM
I think Dunky's just trying to reel people in with the Hatton 'nearly man' comment when he's far from that and a credit to British boxing
When it comes to Hatton, I dont do 'reeling in' anymore. that would be too easy.
im just a hater, who tells it the way I see it in my head.
OK, so he won lots of lovely ABC titles. I cant take that away from him. Best wins though? Against old shot fighters. Tszyu? Old. Shot. Weight drained.
Castillo? Old. Shot. weight drained.
Sure 'Bwitish bweakfast Wicky' has his belts, but history will judge him. & when it does, those belts will count for nothing when he has two knockout losses to Floyd & Pac.
& remember, Hatton got KO'd aginst a Floyd who wasnt exactly renowned as a big puncher when he fought Hatton...
But I will cut you some slack. Cos Im a Hatton hater. I LOVE concentrating on the negatives. & I dont hide the fact. Its up to his fans here to convince the world that the positives outweight the negatives. & we haters? we got a huge supply of negatives in our armoury, ESPECIALLY when Pac does him in three!!!
Im smug, cos its not often I can have the last laugh on Hatton fans twice, but thanks to Pac, Im going to have two last laughs:lol:
Its like Im being spoiled for all the years I have hd to listen to his fans proclaim his as an ATG:smoke
Isnt that just lovely?:good
GazOC
02-17-2009, 10:39 PM
OK Dunky, so for the sake of your argument lets conveinienty forget about Zoo and JLC. Even the worst case of Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Mallinaggi, Collazo and Maussa is a better list of wins than most British "world" champions.
I don't think most Hatton fans think he's an ATG, just a very good fighter who has been the best fighter in his division for the last 4 years. You know if he were Scottish that you'd kick Scotty out of bed to get to our Ricky..........;O)
"TKO"
02-18-2009, 05:40 AM
OK Dunky, so for the sake of your argument lets conveinienty forget about Zoo and JLC. Even the worst case of Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Mallinaggi, Collazo and Maussa is a better list of wins than most British "world" champions.
I don't think most Hatton fans think he's an ATG, just a very good fighter who has been the best fighter in his division for the last 4 years. You know if he were Scottish that you'd kick Scotty out of bed to get to our Ricky..........;O)
Agreed. I don't see where all this shit about Hatton fans thinking he's an all time great has come from. Hatton is what he is, the Ring and linear champion (which counts for more than any ABC belts), which he has been for almost 4 years as well as holding 3 or 4 alphabet trinkets. He has a list of wins which includes Tszyu (#1 at JWW, #3 p4p at the time), Castillo (#2 at JWW, #8 p4p at the time), Malignaggi (#2 JWW), Collazo (top ten welter), Urango (current #5, won a title after Hatton loss), Lazcano (top 10 fighter), Maussa (#5 at the time), plus Tackie who was top ten.
Nobody is calling him an all time great, simply a very good fighter whose been at the top and the "true" champ of his division for a good period of times whilst racking up a better resume than the vast majority of champs. Also, he has lost only to the very best and has featured in some big fights in the States. I'm sure he'll be pretty satisfied when all's said and done!
"TKO"
02-18-2009, 05:51 AM
When it comes to Hatton, I dont do 'reeling in' anymore. that would be too easy.
im just a hater, who tells it the way I see it in my head.
OK, so he won lots of lovely ABC titles. I cant take that away from him. Best wins though? Against old shot fighters. Tszyu? Old. Shot. Weight drained.
Castillo? Old. Shot. weight drained.
Sure 'Bwitish bweakfast Wicky' has his belts, but history will judge him. & when it does, those belts will count for nothing when he has two knockout losses to Floyd & Pac.
& remember, Hatton got KO'd aginst a Floyd who wasnt exactly renowned as a big puncher when he fought Hatton...
But I will cut you some slack. Cos Im a Hatton hater. I LOVE concentrating on the negatives. & I dont hide the fact. Its up to his fans here to convince the world that the positives outweight the negatives. & we haters? we got a huge supply of negatives in our armoury, ESPECIALLY when Pac does him in three!!!
Im smug, cos its not often I can have the last laugh on Hatton fans twice, but thanks to Pac, Im going to have two last laughs:lol:
Its like Im being spoiled for all the years I have hd to listen to his fans proclaim his as an ATG:smoke
Isnt that just lovely?:good
I wouldn't even waste my digital ink. You're freely admitting to being a hater. The thing with haters is that the decide they are going to hate and then their view of the "facts" is coloured by that from thereonin, rather than looking at the facts in an unbiased manner and making a rational judgement. Even to the extent of making up incidents involving throwing things at a knocked out fighter which have been proven to be out and out lies.
If being in the top 3 p4p, #1 in your division which you have ruled for four years and coming off an arguably career best win is being "old, shot and weight drained" I guess most would take it. If Hatton does lose to Pac, he has done so taking on the biggest challenge the game has to offer, as is the case with Mayweather. Does not magically erase all that he has achieved in the sport, much as certain "haters" would like to believe it.
Anyway, fighters fitting the "old, shot, weight drained" description can still be rather dangerous, as I'm sure Michael Gomez could tell you. If we're going to hate a fighter based on a few comments some of his more over-enthusiastic fans have made then I too would be spoiled. After all, I;ve watched both him and Nicky Cook, both of whom are decent domestic level fighters, comprehensively wipe away the illusion that Average Alex was anywhere approaching a world class fighter. But, then again, I'm not that petty... :good
kerrminator
02-18-2009, 06:56 AM
Everyones a hgater of someone imo. Dunky is the first I've seen admitting it though ;)
GazOC
02-18-2009, 08:34 AM
Everyones a hgater of someone imo. Dunky is the first I've seen admitting it though ;)
Not me mate, I don't hate anyone. Its pointless. I can see DeGale annoying me in the future though if he carries on the way he is....;)
scurlaruntings
02-18-2009, 08:40 AM
I must be the biggest ****** critic on the Brit forum, with possibly Scurla and Jeff excepted.
But leaving ****** and subsquently giving Roy a 50-50 split was crazy in financial terms.
I bet Roy couldn't believe his luck.The RJJ Calzaghe fight was a flop at the gate. The numbers were crap. If Joe had any sense he would have kept that leech in tow who despite being a cunt CAN promote a fight. We only have to look at his record with Ricky at the M.E.N. At the end of the day its all academic now as Joe is an even bigger cunt who only wanted what he thought would be a lions share. Shame the dufus doesn't know anything about basic economics.
Scurlaruntings seems a very bitter boy, move back to old blighty son.
We've got better boxers over here...:good
scurlaruntings
02-18-2009, 08:46 AM
No doubt. I was under the impression that FW wanted to get Hatton a WBO title but it was clear that the only chance of Hatton signing a new contract was if he got the Zoo fight.Ricky was the WBO mandatory twice. He turned down Corley when he was the number 1, and Pinto allegedly pulled out last minute only to then go on to fight Cotto for the vacant title. The truth lays somewhere between Ricky and ******.
scurlaruntings
02-18-2009, 08:47 AM
Scurlaruntings seems a very bitter boy, move back to old blighty son.
We've got better boxers over here...:goodI live in London.. :yep And no im not bitter im a realist who refuses point blank to reward mediocrity. I call it exactly;y as i see it. Think of me as ESB`s very own Steven Holdsworth. :good
GazOC
02-18-2009, 08:56 AM
...or Howard Cosell.
Dunky McCafferty
02-19-2009, 12:00 AM
OK Dunky, so for the sake of your argument lets conveinienty forget about Zoo and JLC. Even the worst case of Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Mallinaggi, Collazo and Maussa is a better list of wins than most British "world" champions.
I don't think most Hatton fans think he's an ATG, just a very good fighter who has been the best fighter in his division for the last 4 years. You know if he were Scottish that you'd kick Scotty out of bed to get to our Ricky..........;O)
Gaz, I may be a hater, but im not a fool;)
Even I have to admit that Hatton has had a better career than I could have ever envisaged.
I could argue the point about every fighter you mentioned though, but as I respect you as a poster, I wont take it down that route. Its all been done before, so let sleeping dogs lie as they say.
The stats show that Hatton has picked up lots of belts, & I cant argue with that. his place in british boxing history is assured.
As for Scotty? of course Hattons record is much better than my favourite fighters. No argument from me there. Scotty fucked that one right up, when he could have had a fight with Marquez & Guzman & both fell through:patsch what could have been, eh?
BUT. all I am saying is, if Hatton loses to Pac, YOUR favourite fighters legacy will be tarnished wether thats right or wrong my friend. Just wait & see.
Dont shoot the messenger of doom:deal
one crumb of comfort though if you give a shit about my opinion(dont answer that one!)
I think hatton has a better chance against pac than Floyd. & in the wee small hours, that thought worries me...
Farmboxer
02-19-2009, 02:47 AM
I will always remember Calzaghe are a great fighter. Most boxers would love to have his talent.
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