Is Castillo Shot?

[The Kurgan]

Anyone who doesn't post in the affirmative in this thread, yet uses this excuse to escape giving Hatton credit, will never be able to post on these forums without my overly locaqious mocking corrupting their attempts to communicate with others. If you really know that Castillo is shot, then post here before the fight starts.

So- is he shot or not?

[brooklyn1550]

No, he's not a shot fighter, he is just on the downside of his career

[Stinky gloves]

I think somebody shoot him in the left leg.

[The Kurgan]

No, he's not a shot fighter, he is just on the downside of his career

From your avatar, I'm guessing you think that this fight still means something? :hey

[Ramshall1]

we may find out soon enough.

[jc]

Hes not shot.

Coming off a lack luster performance but pick any great fighter, choose their biggest and most impressive performances and ill show you plenty of lack luster fights even losses in between...

[The Kurgan]

we may find out soon enough.

This is what I want to hear. So, while you won't be able to say "I knew Castillo was shot" or "This fight didn't mean anything anyway", you CAN say that you had doubts over how much Castillo had left. It takes a tough guy to put his balls out like that. :good

[Jazzo]

we may find out soon enough.

Loss = Shot?

[Cookie]

He doesn't seem any different than from the Corrales fights.

[sandwichsurgeon]

He is no longer at his peak but i think he will rally for one last performance

[Jazzo]

He doesn't seem any different than from the Corrales fights.

You are forgetting that fighters "grow old over night" :nut

[pipe wrenched]

I DO NOT think he is shot and I think he will prove it to all doubters tommorow night. Give Hell Castillo!!

[Ramshall1]

This is what I want to hear. So, while you won't be able to say "I knew Castillo was shot" or "This fight didn't mean anything anyway", you CAN say that you had doubts over how much Castillo had left. It takes a tough guy to put his balls out like that. :good

talk of "shot" fighters is usually overblown.

If Hatton knocks his block off, maybe its because Hatton fought his ass off. and vice versa.

On the flip side, too much is often put into one fight.

We shall see, props to both guys for taking this fight on regular HBO.

[Ramshall1]

Loss = Shot?

not necessarily.

[pipe wrenched]

Good posts Ramshall.

[Boro chris]

No, but I think he's past his best. Thing is I think Hatton is a little past his best as well so may the best man win!

[brooklyn1550]

From your avatar, I'm guessing you think that this fight still means something? :hey

Yes, I am looking forward to it. I have hopes that it will be a high-action, high-drama fight. If Castillo is shot, however, I hope he has one great fight left in him.

[Ramshall1]

Good posts Ramshall.
thanks. ;)

[the_what]

Not shot. But over the hill. And he isnt good when he fights bigger opponents. Thats why he was so dominating at Lightweight. Because he was just bigger than his opposition.

[bhwbj]

Shot?? I don't know.....but based on his last fight, I'd say he's slid quite a bit.

[Jack]

I think both men are around the same level right now. Neither man is close to being "shot" (Any uise of that term is fucking idiotic right now. "Shot" is Ali against Holmes or Duran against Joppy. Not someone on a win streak, who has had two mediocre performances), but both are slightly past it.

[o_money]

If he's not Hatton's fucked.....cause hatton's looked like shit the last two years.

[Ramshall1]

So there it is. . he's bald = therefore he's shot.

[Ramshall1]

No it means he's 34 years old and for a lower weight pressure fighter that is fucking SHOT!

Add to that countless ring wars and you get a fighter that will probably end up looking old overnight and disappointing a great many.


dont forget . . . BALD. :hey

[psychopath]

No he's not shot . . . but her's no longer at his peak either.

:yep

[Morrissey]

After the fight, people will start saying he is shot.

[El Bombasto]

Possibly, he may not be shot a still lose to Hatton, it's more a matter of how he performs. If he's not shot, he may have only a few fights left. Moving up to 140 is supposed to have extended his career, maybe he waited too long.

[Morrissey]

They're already saying he's shot and have been doing so since his last fight, haven't you been paying attention when he struggled with an unheralded no name that he was supposed to smash.


I know he didn't look like the prime Castillo there, and I think have also said it before here in the forum that he will be beaten by Hatton just becasue of his age.

The term is not shot, but fading. And when you are no longer at your peak, a match up against an agrresive, tough SOB will only expose your real age. Especially if you are going up in weights. That's what will happen this Saturday.

[Jack]

No it means he's 34 years old and for a lower weight pressure fighter that is fucking SHOT!

Add to that countless ring wars and you get a fighter that will probably end up looking old overnight and disappointing a great many.

Being old doesn't mean a fucking thing. Not to go back on my post in a different thread, but fighters can go through wars easily. Roberto Duran had soem of his toughest fights prior to beating Leonard, Barkley and a whole bunch of other names. Being in plenty of wars does not mean the fighter is done. At all.

Plus, if you go by that logic, Hatton at 28 and being just as agressive is hardly an up and comer, is he? Or are these more biased contradictions?

And once more, Castillo isn't even close to being done. he is still easily world class. How many 140lbers would stand a chance against him? Not many. He is on the decline, but still has enough in the tank to be a Champion. I'd pick him to beat Witter.
They're already saying he's shot and have been doing so since his last fight, haven't you been paying attention when he struggled with an unheralded no name that he was supposed to smash.Muhammad Ali was supposed to "smash" average Doug Jones. He struggled. Jones wasn't a great fighter by any means. Rocky Marciano was supposed to "smash" LaStarza, yet he got a gift decision. LaStarza was nowhere near Marciano. Joe Frazier was supposed to "smash" George Foreman and look what happened there. Lennox Lewis was backed by anyone with any boxing knowledge to "smash" both McCall and Rahman, yet he got knocked out twice.

My point is, if you haven't figured it out already, boxers have off nights. I could post hundrerds of upsets and poor performances, but you should know this already. it happens in boxing.

There is such a drastic reactuion to the odd bad performance on bxoing forums, it's fucking unbelievable. A fighter doesn't turn up, and is done. No if's or but's, that performance means everything. It's ridiculous.

Christ knows what these "fans" would of done in the days when the top class boxers were often losing to mediocre fighters.

[Motor City Sam]

I wouldn't say he's shot, but he's 34 years old and has been in a lot of wars. He definitely looked way past his prime in his last fight. Shot is a term that's used too often, but "faded" seems appropriate in this case.

[bhwbj]

After seeing his last fight( and I've seen a lot of Castillo fights ) I'd say he's just one step above being shot. Hatton was probably licking his chops while watching Castillo struggle that unheralded tuneup opponent.

Prime Castillo beats any version of Hatton but tonight we will see a motivated Hatton decision an OLD Castillo. Ahhh well, Castillo still has enough left to make it entertaining. I hope he gives an eye for an eye when Hatton gets dirty.

[Fallow]

The boxing fraternity at large is fickle. Here today, gone today.

I tend to take center ground in these types of debate. Castillo is not shot, but has lost some edge over the last few years, that cannot be debated. Still, I expect him to give Hatton some problems, especially late when Hatton starts to tire and switches off, those are always dangerous times for Hatton. Should Hatton win, it will be a fine win, regardless of the perceived status of Castillo.

I tell you this for a fact - Hatton is going to make Castillo look shot over those first six rounds. All the talk coming out of the Hatton camp about this being trench warfare is just that, talk. He's a lot slicker than people give him credit for, he will dart in and out and pepper Castillo relying on his good handspeed. Mark my words, the first 6-7 rounds will be a shutout, it will be in the second half of the fight, providing Castillo hasn't been battered too badly, that the Mexican can start finding Hatton's unguarded chin.

[See Me Flow]

Anyone who doesn't post in the affirmative in this thread, yet uses this excuse to escape giving Hatton credit, will never be able to post on these forums without my overly locaqious mocking corrupting their attempts to communicate with others. If you really know that Castillo is shot, then post here before the fight starts.

So- is he shot or not?

We'll find out soon enough.

[jhar26]

My point is, if you haven't figured it out already, boxers have off nights. I could post hundrerds of upsets and poor performances, but you should know this already. it happens in boxing.

There is such a drastic reactuion to the odd bad performance on bxoing forums, it's fucking unbelievable. A fighter doesn't turn up, and is done. No if's or but's, that performance means everything. It's ridiculous.

I agree. Part of that has to do with the fact that most boxers only fight a few times per year, so the memory of a bad loss or a poor performance lingers for a long time. If you lose in the first round of this week's tennis tournament against a much lower ranked player, all you need to do is win next week's event and you're God again. The same thing goes for most other sports. In boxing you ain't allowed to have an off day and losing one time to a particular opponent more often than not means that the other guy is considered better while in other sports you will face the same opponent at many different times with plenty of opportunity to set the record straight.

[Shake]

This may be wishful, but I think no-one will talk of a shot Castillo after this one. I think the old man will give Hatton hell, and Hatton will answer twice over -- with Hatton walking away the winner by K.O or T.K.O.

Supporters, in their clashes with other supporters sometimes forget we're dealing with extraordinary people here. Both deserve our respect -- just because one has to win doesn't mean the other needs an excuse to live with himself.

If I had to guess, I'd say Castillo is not 'peak' but not that far from it. Doesn't influence things that much, this match will be mind over matter -- and Hatton will have a hard time breaking through Luis' will. That's why I think Hatton will win by K.O -- in this kind of fight, Castillo's going out on his shield. He's simply that competitive.

[Antwuan Maxx]

I honestly think Castillo is shot, or at least close to being shot, even though he claims his last two outings (Ngoudjo, Reyes) were a result of him not being up for the fights. I hope that's the case and he puts on a peformance we'd expect from him...but I doubt it. I see him getting worn down by Hatton and possibly stopped late.

[PowerPuncher]

Your only as good as your last fight and Castillo looked very poor against Ndoudjo, I had him losing as did 1 judge, Ndoudjo looked poor himself against sub standard Bailey

Lets examine Castillo closer - his last big win was when he cheated against Corrales 20months ago, before that he lost to Corrales in a grueling war that could leave any fighter shot, he then had a lengthy ban from boxing.

He is now 33, which is old for a pressure fighter, hes been innactive, been in many wars, not looking impressive in his recent fight, AND UNTESTED AT 140!!!

All of these points put many question marks on Castillo.

[El Bombasto]

Your only as good as your last fight and Castillo looked very poor against Ndoudjo, I had him losing as did 1 judge, Ndoudjo looked poor himself against sub standard Bailey

Lets examine Castillo closer - his last big win was when he cheated against Corrales 20months ago, before that he lost to Corrales in a grueling war that could leave any fighter shot, he then had a lengthy ban from boxing.

He is now 33, which is old for a pressure fighter, hes been innactive, been in many wars, not looking impressive in his recent fight, AND UNTESTED AT 140!!!

All of these points put many question marks on Castillo.

:good Probably the most honest response in this thread