ahh..crap..fedor signed a $5,000,000 contract with heros?

[boxingcar]

hope this isn't true...

Rumourmill: Fedor Emelianenko to Sign with Hero's
Date submitted: 17 August 2007
Author: Tom Parkes
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Rumous have been flying around the internet that Fedor Emelianenko has signed a contract for five fights with the Hero's organisation in Japan, worth an estimated $5,000,000 ($1,000,000 per fight).

Such a signing is indeed possible for Hero's, which is backed by the mighty K-1 organisation - the Worlds largest Mixed Martial Arts events organisers - yes bigger even than the UFC. K-1 typically get 40,000 - 50,000 live spectators at their largest events in Japan, and their events are screened live on terrestrial television to millions of loyal Japanese fans.

Hero's was introduced in 2005 and has become an immediate success story - already drawing crowds of 10,000 - 15,000 per event (putting it at the same level as the UFC in the USA, who's highest ever live attendance was 17,000, but typically draw 10,000 - 14,000 per event).

There has been a gap in the Japanese market for the past few months, since Pride was taken over by the UFC and all Pride events stopped in Japan. Hero's has been quick to step in and fill this void and is currently signing top International A-Class fighters such as Alistair Overeem, and it seems reasonable to assume that Hero's realise the drawing power of having Fedor on their event and such a move would immediately raise their stake in the International MMA market.

The UFC have previously been in talks with Fedor, but were unable to come to an agreement, for reasons that neither party were overtly eager to disclose. After several months, it seems that maybe a UFC deal is not on the cards.

Nothing has been confirmed by either Hero's or Fedor Emelianenko's management as of yet, but it seems highly likely that this is a rumour which could be very well founded. Keep your eyes peeled.

[dwilson]

Whats the best way of seeing heroes in Britain. I've caught k-1 on eurosport and it is very good but I have only seen parts of the show on the internet but it is not the same as watching on tv.

[cross_trainer]

Yep...K-1 was left a power vacuum when Pride was eliminated, and since the UFC didn't create a "shinsei" Pride it was likely that something like this would happen.

I wonder if we're doomed to a K-1 vs. UFC rivalry similar to the previous Pride vs. UFC rivalry...where fans of both sides are unable to see the matchups they want.

[nervousxtian]

K-1 is a joke at times, they actively fixed fights in the past.

[AJAX]

that's just great, who's he going to fight? hopefully he ups his competition from a middleweight like Lindlund. Prob fight Japenese wrestlers. Anybody know why he didn't sign with the UFC?

[boxingcar]

If Barnett goes there too...it would be great imo.
if K1 can add more talents to their hw division , why not?...

but yeah , i'd rather see fedor in the ufc at the moment..

[ufoalf]

From what i've read Fedor's demands are mainly based on his ability to promote the sport in Russia. He didn't care about the most lucrative deal which was given by UFC. He wanted to be able to participate in 'Sambo tournaments, he wanted a UFC show in Russia, he wanted fighters from "Red Devil" team to get a crack at UFC. I dunno if all these demands are true but the way UFC negotiated was "Here's our proposition, call us when you accept it." The 5mil deal from k1 was on the table for quite some time and its not news. He was in negotiations with orgs for the things above.

Everyone wants to see Fedor in UFC, but i dont think it will happen.

[achillesthegreat]

This will hurt his legacy. I understand he wants money but being money minded comes at a sacrifice. See Roy Jones in boxing as an example.

[dwilson]

Wh will his main match up's be against in that org? Anyone we should look out for?

[ufoalf]

This will hurt his legacy. I understand he wants money but being money minded comes at a sacrifice. See Roy Jones in boxing as an example.

You have no clue do you?

[achillesthegreat]

You have no clue do you?
Why do you say that?

[ufoalf]

Why do you say that?

Read my post above yours. It has nothing to do with the amount of money.

[Beebs]

This is fucking bullshit, what a let down. Instead of Fedor vs Couture for the unified belt, we get Fedor vs Penis-Chest with an undercard reviving the christian vs lion rivalry with Bobby Ologun being special guest ref.

[ufoalf]

Barnette might sign with Hero's too so we might see a good fight.

[jsalerno]

that's just great, who's he going to fight? hopefully he ups his competition from a middleweight like Lindlund. Prob fight Japenese wrestlers. Anybody know why he didn't sign with the UFC?


starts with 'M' ends in 'Y' and in the middle is 'ONE'

[ufoalf]

starts with 'M' ends in 'Y' and in the middle is 'ONE'
Another one who doesnt know wtf he's talking about.

[ufoalf]

rofl

[cross_trainer]

Fedor is scared of going to the UFC. There I said it, there is nothing else to say. He is ducking the UFC. I'm tired of this shit.
Well, the UFC does have the experience factor in its favor...plus plenty more arms and legs than Fedor does. It also outweighs him by several tons, and has a better resume than any other fighter out there. Decisioned Tim Sylvia, KO'd Crocop, KO'd Arlovski, stopped Royce Gracie, and choked out Ken Shamrock...all in all, it has hundreds of fights on its record, although strangely it has a 50/50 win-loss ratio.

I don't blame Fedor for ducking the UFC...it's a dangerous contender.

[jsalerno]

Another one who doesnt know wtf he's talking about.

Care to expand upon this and explain why you think other wise, before you attempt to, factor in that i consider fedor to be one of the best mma fighters of all time and have nothign but respect for him as a fighter. even thgouh im biased towards him its obvious the only reason he moved is due to the money, i think personally it was the best thing for him to do and anyone else would have done the same given the same opportunity.

[knox-boxer]

I love Fedor, and no doubt he is the best fighter today, period. He said he wanted to fight the best and the most money was from the UFC. His hold up was he was to compete in the Combat Sambo championships repping Russia, I GUESS that was the deciding factor as UFC doesn't want you to compete outside UFC events.




What a bunch of fucking busllshit.


Damn.

[Nuke]

Its obvious some people don't have a concept of national pride. Would you guys give up something you believe in just to please a bunch of foreigners that will have neither positive nor negative effect on your life?
Do you guys realize that the world is much bigger then just the US? Do you think that in Fedors world he will not be respected and admired and looked upon as a legend? How ignorant can we americans be?
He wants to Represent HIS country in HIS sport (Combat Sambo) obviously that is too much for the UFC, so as anybody would do, he will go else where to do business. Its logical and makes business sense for Fedor.
Get over it, if you are mad write Dana and tell him to accept the terms. Why should Fedor bow to Dana? Because he is the UFC? Stop. It sucks but thats how business is, if it don't make sense don't do it. Bottom line.

[Beebs]

Welcome to the United States. Where the TUFFERS cannot see past their Tapout clothing.

Welcome to the world, where nobody, including Russia really gives much of a shit about combat sambo. In Russia Sambo=failed Judoka's, sad but true. But don't give me any of this shit about about it being for mother Russia, Russia doesnt give a shit about Sambo, and Sambo doesn't give a shit about Combat Sambo.

[ufoalf]

You think he give a fuck if he gets 5mil or 6mil for 5 fights? He's already got support for his family and 3 generations after. It has nothing to do with offer. Plus for people who haven't idea, UFC deal was THE MOST LUCRATIVE. Meaning he would get the most money from UFC. He's concern was promoting the sport in Russia. He doesn't give a rats ass about coming to america or fighting the top competition. He also doesn't promote himself as best p4p fighter, he's too humble for that.
Heroes are a lot more flexible with their negotiations. And seeing Dana's behavior from before im not surprised.
Sambo is not huge, but its a popular sport. Fedor is the face of MMA and Sambo in Russia. How are Russian people gona feel if their fighter goes to fight in America exlusively? Especially with America's foreign policy(meaning america is not liked by foreigners much right now).
Fedor is normal Russian guy who cares for his country. I say fuck UFC if they dont wanna work with him in promoting the sport in country with lots of combat history and TONS of potential.

If it was Couture in Fedors place right now, he'd be doing exactly same thing for America. And i would respect him for it.

[achillesthegreat]

Read my post above yours. It has nothing to do with the amount of money.
You wrote what you read, you didn't really write irrefutable fact.

I think what I wrote is irrefutable fact. No rematch with Cro, no Couture, no Gonzaga, no great small guys - these sort of fights would happen in the UFC and help his legacy and no sane person would disagree.

It is very nice what he wants to do (help Russia) but he has to sacrifice his legacy.

He is the best at the moment but just like that Gonzaga could beat Couture and be a real threat to who the best is.

If Fedor went to the UFC and beat the guys I mentioned, I see it being very hard for anyone to outrank him at heavy for a LONG time.

[scurlaruntings]

Iv said it already and il say it again K1 will become the premier MMA org in the east.Now that PRIDE is gone those fighters that were once fighting for PRIDE will make the move to hero`s. Theres many names that wont be in the UFC who`s only option is hero`s.

[achillesthegreat]

This is another angle we need to explore - K1.

How powerful are they?

[Beebs]

You did not come up with this on your own, it is simply regurgitated rhetoric. Not entirely without merit but when used as a broadbrush theory, it comes up short. Yes, I know. The same way I broadbrushed the American MMA community.

Argueing over who cares about who and to what extent at this time is pointless. However, one thing that even yourself cannot argue is that Fedor Emelianenko cares about Combat SAMBO almost as much as Mother Russia.


I don't mean to insult Fedor or Combat Sambo, you can't really blame Fedor too much, but fuck it's incredibly dissapointing.:( :|

Even taking away the possibility of Fedor becoming the first unified Heavyweight champion, essentially MMA's John L. Sullivan, just watching Fedor GnP in a cage with elbows would be like watching Jordan play basketball, Clapton play guitar, or Rick James doing coke off a stripper.

[younghypnotiq]

Dumpest [sic] reply ever. There, I said it.:-( :-( :-(

its so obvious fedor is afraid of fighting in the UFC. he will fight much better fighters and will evventuallly lose.

[Ethan Trims]

its so obvious fedor is afraid of fighting in the UFC. he will fight much better fighters and will evventuallly lose.

Yhype is going back to his retarded gimmick again.

[ufoalf]

You wrote what you read, you didn't really write irrefutable fact.

I think what I wrote is irrefutable fact. No rematch with Cro, no Couture, no Gonzaga, no great small guys - these sort of fights would happen in the UFC and help his legacy and no sane person would disagree.

It is very nice what he wants to do (help Russia) but he has to sacrifice his legacy.

He is the best at the moment but just like that Gonzaga could beat Couture and be a real threat to who the best is.

If Fedor went to the UFC and beat the guys I mentioned, I see it being very hard for anyone to outrank him at heavy for a LONG time.

No, what you posted was basicly an insult towards fedor. You basicly said he's in it just for the money. Right after the post i made that actually says completely opposite. What you posted is DEFINITELY not a fact. What i posted is based off resources from both Dana's side and Fedor's side. Plus, What you said doesn't even make sense because if he was in it for the money he WOULD go to UFC because again they offered richest contract to him. So its OBVIOUS that he's not in it for the money.

Now as for K1, its HUGE. Especially after pride got bought all its fans are now only have Heroes plus some other lame little orgs. K1 seats around 40000 people a show. UFC's records is like 20000 or something. So here's some numbers for you. They're not as big on PPV though i dont think. Not sure.

Yea, its very upsetting news if it is true. But I understand Fedor if he chooses to the best course for this sport in Russia and not his legacy. I give him mad respect for that.

[achillesthegreat]

No, what you posted was basicly an insult towards fedor. You basicly said he's in it just for the money. Right after the post i made that actually says completely opposite. What you posted is DEFINITELY not a fact. What i posted is based off resources from both Dana's side and Fedor's side. Plus, What you said doesn't even make sense because if he was in it for the money he WOULD go to UFC because again they offered richest contract to him. So its OBVIOUS that he's not in it for the money.

Now as for K1, its HUGE. Especially after pride got bought all its fans are now only have Heroes plus some other lame little orgs. K1 seats around 40000 people a show. UFC's records is like 20000 or something. So here's some numbers for you. They're not as big on PPV though i dont think. Not sure.

Yea, its very upsetting news if it is true. But I understand Fedor if he chooses to the best course for this sport in Russia and not his legacy. I give him mad respect for that.
It wasn't an insult, its telling it like it is.

Not fighting the absolute best means your legacy will suffer and you will not find out your true worth by maximising your potential. So yes, it is fact.

I find it hard to believe Fedor would be getting one million per fight from the UFC especially against lesser opposition. I'm sure he'll get sponsorship, percentage of the gate etc so he'll end up with more in K1.

Fedor is proven, I give him respect for wanting to help his country but historically he may suffer. Thats the way it is.

[nfc90210]

don't give me any of this shit about about it being for mother Russia, Russia doesnt give a shit about Sambo, and Sambo doesn't give a shit about Combat Sambo.

Yeah, but Fedor does give a shit about combat sambo.

That's all that matters.

I don't mean to insult Fedor or Combat Sambo, you can't really blame Fedor too much, but fuck it's incredibly disappointing.

Yeah it is. I mean, the fact that the majority of western MMA fans won't speak of Fedor, in thirty years, in awed tones is sad.

That said Fedor owes us nothing.

[AJAX]

Let's be honest.... go to UFC 74 and to a poll in the crowd and I'll bet you only about 10% of the crowd even knows who he is.

[ufoalf]

It wasn't an insult, its telling it like it is.

Not fighting the absolute best means your legacy will suffer and you will not find out your true worth by maximising your potential. So yes, it is fact.

I find it hard to believe Fedor would be getting one million per fight from the UFC especially against lesser opposition. I'm sure he'll get sponsorship, percentage of the gate etc so he'll end up with more in K1.

Fedor is proven, I give him respect for wanting to help his country but historically he may suffer. Thats the way it is.

Are you even reading what im saying or are you just talking? You keep talking about legacy and shit which is not what i was talking about and questioning ur knowledge. Plus, what you're saying about legacy is opinion and nothing more even though i partly agree with it.

Which part of "UFC offer was the most lucrative" do u not understand? I REALLY think you're just not reading what i've said.

[scurlaruntings]

Let's be honest.... go to UFC 74 and to a poll in the crowd and I'll bet you only about 10% of the crowd even knows who he is.Thats the good ole UFC for ya!:nut

[mantis_boxing]

Let's be honest.... go to UFC 74 and to a poll in the crowd and I'll bet you only about 10% of the crowd even knows who he is.

If even.

[achillesthegreat]

Are you even reading what im saying or are you just talking? You keep talking about legacy and shit which is not what i was talking about and questioning ur knowledge. Plus, what you're saying about legacy is opinion and nothing more even though i partly agree with it.

Which part of "UFC offer was the most lucrative" do u not understand? I REALLY think you're just not reading what i've said.
Then why did you say I don't have a clue. Why are you assuming I didn't read your post or I don't know the situation. Admittingly I didnt know to the degree you outlined but I did know he wanted to fight in Sambo comps, fight in Russia, some random points like that.

Is it set in stone that the UFC offer was more lucrative? I doubt it. All parties involved are being rather vague. 5 mil basic from K1 is better than any basic a fighter has got in the UFC.

Fedor beating greater fighters makes his legacy greater - its not opinion, its fact.

[ufoalf]

This will hurt his legacy. I understand he wants money but being money minded comes at a sacrifice. See Roy Jones in boxing as an example.


Everything I've said points exactly against this point in particular. Everything i said was the only "facts" that were presented to us from either side. Quoting Fedors menager Finkelstein "...even though UFC's offer is the most lucrative they are not flexible in their negotiations."

You also said that this will hurt his legacy. It's not a fact. As a matter of fact its a pretty bs statement. It might not make it greater but the only way to hurt it is for him to lose(convincingly) to nobodies who got beat by nobodies.

[cross_trainer]

Everything I've said points exactly against this point in particular. Everything i said was the only "facts" that were presented to us from either side. Quoting Fedors menager Finkelstein "...even though UFC's offer is the most lucrative they are not flexible in their negotiations."

You also said that this will hurt his legacy. It's not a fact. As a matter of fact its a pretty bs statement. It might not make it greater but the only way to hurt it is for him to lose(convincingly) to nobodies who got beat by nobodies.
In this case, I'd have to agree with achilles about the resume. Fighters like Roy Jones and even Dempsey are often criticized for not facing the opposition that they could have--while I generally prefer to look at who a fighter beat rather than who he ducked, the public generally does not.

More importantly--Fedor's resume will be hurt in a relative sense compared to the fighters who come after him. His inability to fight in the UFC (for whatever reason) will leave him remembered as only the "best of the beltholders" before a true unified champion emerges. Because unfortunately, that's exactly what he will be.

[ufoalf]

In this case, I'd have to agree with achilles about the resume. Fighters like Roy Jones and even Dempsey are often criticized for not facing the opposition that they could have--while I generally prefer to look at who a fighter beat rather than who he ducked, the public generally does not.

More importantly--Fedor's resume will be hurt in a relative sense compared to the fighters who come after him. His inability to fight in the UFC (for whatever reason) will leave him remembered as only the "best of the beltholders" before a true unified champion emerges. Because unfortunately, that's exactly what he will be.

Relative sense isn't exactly legacy than. It's what he has done. It will always stay the same and NO ONE can take that away from him. Yes, if he doesn't join UFC and beat the best of UFC such as Couture, Gonzaga, and Sylvia his legacy is not going to continue growing. Ducking is a VERY cruel word in this case. I highly doubt Fedor ducked anyone seeing how he fought top competition. Barnett's case was just that Barnett always lost the fight to fight Fedor.

RJJ's case is different than Fedor's because IBF WBC etc are not paralelle to UFC, Pride, Hero's etc.

Plus, this is matter of opinion. Besides you are straying away from the argument i originally had with achilles just like he did :bart.

[achillesthegreat]

Everything I've said points exactly against this point in particular. Everything i said was the only "facts" that were presented to us from either side. Quoting Fedors menager Finkelstein "...even though UFC's offer is the most lucrative they are not flexible in their negotiations."

You also said that this will hurt his legacy. It's not a fact. As a matter of fact its a pretty bs statement. It might not make it greater but the only way to hurt it is for him to lose(convincingly) to nobodies who got beat by nobodies.
Fair enough.

You are horribly wrong about his legacy though.

[ufoalf]

Fair enough.

You are horribly wrong about his legacy though.

No, im of different opinion about it. There's isn't wrong or right until 30-40 years later when he's remembered. Then we'll see.