Do you lift weights?

[RDJ]

Let's settle this once and for all :D

[ChrisPontius]

Not in the sense that bodybuilders or powerlifters do. Sometimes i use 2 or 3 kg weights while punching to train for arm weariness and perhaps a bit of speed and power, but never anything heavier than that. Hitting the heavy bag, or better, padwork, makes me feel i gain/train a lot more explosive punching power.

[RDJ]

Reveal yourselves, cowards!

[El Puma]

Reveal yourselves, cowards!
As you wish:D



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[RDJ]

What's with you and cats lately :lol:

I love those pictures btw :)

[El Puma]

What's with you and cats lately :lol:

I love those pictures btw :):lol: They amuse me. They are quite photogenic and am praying to come across one where they are pumping iron:smoke



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[GPater11093]

the inly weights i do is 2kg when shadow boxing

[TheRock49]

Lifted this morning, going to boxing this evening... :D

[MasterFlo]

I lift quite a bit, more then I box actually. I lift weights 4 times a week and box twice a week. I'm not for or against either way, this is just what works for me. I do an hour of cardio and stretching then an hour of weights, arms on monday, back on wednesday, chest on friday and legs on sunday.

[Glenwils]

I lift weights but don't box.

[Boyd]

i lift weights, haven't boxed in about 6 years.

[Mike_S]

I box 3 times a week plus 2 other cardio workouts and at the moment try to lift heavy weights just the once a week on saturdays. I used to lift 4 times aswell as this but felt I was over training especially when doing bodyweight excersizes and medicine ball work during the boxing workout.

[jimmie]

I do both but with boxing unless its padwork or sparring I get very bored and same with lifting weights ill start a routine for a few days and soon give up. I much perfer to workout with a partner or a coach.

[ChrisPontius]

I lift quite a bit, more then I box actually. I lift weights 4 times a week and box twice a week. I'm not for or against either way, this is just what works for me. I do an hour of cardio and stretching then an hour of weights, arms on monday, back on wednesday, chest on friday and legs on sunday.

Unless your boxing workout isn't that thoroughly, your body must be sore and exhausted 24/7 with that schedule. :admin

[Glenwils]

I know cardio is better for my weight loss programme but I just don't enjoy doing it. I love lifting weigts so that's what il stick to. I've been thinking about implimenting a cardio session each week though.

[scurlaruntings]

Just come back from the gym. Carbing up at the mo and been working out heavy again! ... Thats what happens when you watch a Phil Heath video....

[El Puma]

It's your ass now Remmy!


Scurla is hungry and requires eating bodyweight training only creatures for protein!:yikes:D

[scurlaruntings]

It's your ass now Remmy!


Scurla is hungry and requires eating bodyweight training only creatures for protein!:yikes:DActually as you know im not a big fan of supplments. But im been forcing myself to drink a protein shake after each workout of which iv been 3 times this week so far. Im just making sure i get the right carbs and tons of proteins. Only problem is makes you gassy as fuck. Some of my farts have been vicious. :D

[El Puma]

Actually as you know im not a big fan of supplments. But im been forcing myself to drink a protein shake after each workout of which iv been 3 times this week so far. Im just making sure i get the right carbs and tons of proteins. Only problem is makes you gassy as fuck. Some of my farts have been vicious. :D
:yep I eat Broccolli daily and let me tell ya, it smells worse than the bs Zelenoff spews. That's pretty bad.:yikes

[Urban Legend]

I lift weights but no longer box as my ankle is pretty much fucked, tried the physio and alternative route the last quack i saw was pretty honest and told me to stop wasting my money as even with surgery it'll be no better than 80% of what it was.

Swim 2 to 3 times a week now for cardio because i can't run any impact on the foot causes it to swell and i lose 10 degrees of movement in the foot for days on end

[Brighton bomber]

I don't box anymore and just lift weights to supplement my running.

[joekirkbycobra]

i box and lift weight
look in my training log if u wanna see what i do
if you dont giv a fuck dont

[RDJ]

:yep I eat Broccolli daily and let me tell ya, it smells worse than the bs Zelenoff spews. That's pretty bad.:yikes

Do you eat a lot of protein? I eat cruciferous veggies almost daily as well but I never have gas problems.

[RDJ]

Actually as you know im not a big fan of supplments.

Achilles is with me on the weights and scurla is with me on supplements :D

You lose puma! :hey

[oatman12345]

I only lift weights when out trainer tells us to do it which is once in a while but i use to lift a little bit of weights before.

[El Puma]

Do you eat a lot of protein? I eat cruciferous veggies almost daily as well but I never have gas problems.Well below what they recommend. And yet, I'm pretty muscular:think I don't believe the hype anymore thats for sure.

I have articles that I am posting tonight on my sticky how prisoners get in fantastic shape with the little that they have and mainly bodyweight stuff. Don't get too excited, they use weights as well;).:thumbsup

[El Puma]

Achilles is with me on the weights and scurla is with me on supplements :D

You lose puma! :hey:err:sad2

[RDJ]

Well below what they recommend. And yet, I'm pretty muscular:think I don't believe the hype anymore thats for sure.

Some of the supplements being sold are downright ridiculous. The amount of protein recommended by loads of these brands would make a 300 pound bodybuilder fart.

I have articles that I am posting tonight on my sticky how prisoners get in fantastic shape with the little that they have and mainly bodyweight stuff. Don't get too excited, they use weights as well;).:thumbsup

I'm working on something as well, inspired by the animal kingdom. I'm studying mountain lions, they get in awesome shape doing nothing but jumping, climbing, sprinting and fighting, all specific to their "sport". And they take no supplements, at all! They eat those horrible saturated fats in enormous amounts, yet have no clogged arteries. No predigested protein shakes, no patented artificial vitamins and minerals. And what's even more amazing perhaps is that they all seem to have great athletic capabilities, genes seem to be less important for non-humans :smoke

Amazing creatures :hey

[El Puma]

Indeed Remmy, indeed. I will also be starting my training log and goals when i add the mostly bodyweight routines i am coming across. I won't lie though, I still take supps such as creatine, BCAA's, fish Oil and multi vitamins because of the beastly amount I am doing and goals i am shooting for.

Huge thumbs up on how clean your keeping the training section and we are getting some knowledgable posters for sure.

[scurlaruntings]

Indeed Remmy, indeed. I will also be starting my training log and goals when i add the mostly bodyweight routines i am coming across. I won't lie though, I still take supps such as creatine, BCAA's, fish Oil and multi vitamins because of the beastly amount I am doing and goals i am shooting for.

Huge thumbs up on how clean your keeping the training section and we are getting some knowledgable posters for sure.Ok i take Cod Liver oil, Chondroitin with Glucosamine and multi vitamins. Which is better Cod Liver oil or Fish oil?

[El Puma]

Ok i take Cod Liver oil, Chondroitin with Glucosamine and multi vitamins. Which is better Cod Liver oil or Fish oil?
Fish oil for sure!!!!:happy:happy:thumbsup I will find the best article i read on the subject as it relates to weightlifting and overall athletic performance

[RDJ]

I take fish oil, a multivitamin/mineral and glucosamine as well. Plus flax seed (whole or oil) but I'm not sure if you can call that a supplement, I put olive oil on my salad but that doesn't count as one either. I also "supplement" with many herbs and teas (phytochemical junkie), and eat garlic, clove and ginger root daily to name just a few. When does something become a supplement, there's a grey area.

[El Puma]

Have any of you guys tried apple cider vinegar? Fantastic appetite suppresant and anti oxidant. Will post many gems tonight as I've fallen way behind due to my personal stuff. All apologies but it will be worth the wait.

[scurlaruntings]

I take fish oil, a multivitamin/mineral and glucosamine as well. Plus flax seed (whole or oil) but I'm not sure if you can call that a supplement, I put olive oil on my salad but that doesn't count as one either. I also "supplement" with many herbs and teas (phytochemical junkie), and eat garlic, clove and ginger root daily to name just a few. When does something become a supplement, there's a grey area.I consider anything that i dont get enough in my diet that i take in any other form that isnt food - a supplement.

[scurlaruntings]

Fish oil for sure!!!!:happy:happy:thumbsup I will find the best article i read on the subject as it relates to weightlifting and overall athletic performanceHmmm iv heard much about Fish Oil. Il add it to my list.

[RDJ]

Have any of you guys tried apple cider vinegar? Fantastic appetite suppresant and anti oxidant. Will post many gems tonight as I've fallen way behind due to my personal stuff. All apologies but it will be worth the wait.

Not me. The best supplements are herbs IMO.

[scurlaruntings]

EFA's are essential to building muscle, also good monounsaturated fats keep insulin levels down, therefore you store less fat and that type of fat is primarily stored for energy. A must in any bodybuilders arsenal.In interested in for rehabbing my knees not BB. My knees are fucked and im finding a hard time finding a decent supplement that can give me some relief or at least aid the rehab iv been trying to do in the gym.

[Iceveins]

In interested in for rehabbing my knees not BB. My knees are fucked and im finding a hard time finding a decent supplement that can give me some relief or at least aid the rehab iv been trying to do in the gym.
Supposedly this supplement called Trigosamine is a new breakthrough for joints. Its flying off the shelves out here but I am yet to hear firsthand about its effectiveness, just user reviews who seem to rave about it.

[scurlaruntings]

Supposedly this supplement called Trigosamine is a new breakthrough for joints. Its flying off the shelves out here but I am yet to hear firsthand about its effectiveness, just user reviews who seem to rave about it.Ooo time for me to take a trip to supplement warehouse!:good

[telboy66]

I tried boxing way back when a teenager but gave it up for judo, squash, & football, Did weights at the same time. I ran a judo club for 20 years & now at 68 I still do weights twice a week not for any purpose other than to keep active I lift heavy rather than body building style

[scurlaruntings]

I tried boxing way back when a teenager but gave it up for judo, squash, & football, Did weights at the same time. I ran a judo club for 20 years & now at 68 I still do weights twice a week not for any purpose other than to keep active I lift heavy rather than body building style
Well done old timer! :thumbsup

[Koa]

You might be interested to know, I only think efa's help with inflamation, not necessarily joints problems.

I used to think that they sort of lube your joints, but then I started taking classes at my uni to become a personal trainer.. Synovial fluid, the fluid that acts as lube in your joints is mostly water. What I've learned? Drink water and make sure you perform light exercise for a warm up.. And, always warm down for a good 10-15 mins.. A brisk walk is good enough. Synovial fluid is replaced with movement.. Also, it is very good for you to load your spine, as this is one of most efficient ways to strengthen it via osteogenesis, AND it helps you to cycle out old synovial fluid in the spine, helps to prevent injury.

I could give a fuck what RDJ says. Protein powders are great for post workout. Casein protein is great for inbetween and a great, great source of calcium. You need calcium for osteogenesis, now how you go about getting that calcium is up to you. But, I will tell you, Casein protein is extremely, extremely effective because it can help curb your appetite due to how long it takes to be digested, and because it is slow digesting, it has an effect of a slow drip amino acid/anabolic/catabolic prevention effect. Mix up some oats or quinoa in your casein shake, and you have a full fucking belly for hours.

Not saying avoid macronutrients, have them too. But don't go without/catabolic because it is inconvenient to pack a shake that takes 20 seconds to consume.

[scurlaruntings]

You might be interested to know, I only think efa's help with inflamation, not necessarily joints problems.

I used to think that they sort of lube your joints, but then I started taking classes at my uni to become a personal trainer.. Synovial fluid, the fluid that acts as lube in your joints is mostly water. What I've learned? Drink water and make sure you perform light exercise for a warm up.. And, always warm down for a good 10-15 mins.. A brisk walk is good enough. Synovial fluid is replaced with movement.. Also, it is very good for you to load your spine, as this is one of most efficient ways to strengthen it via osteogenesis, AND it helps you to cycle out old synovial fluid in the spine, helps to prevent injury.

I could give a fuck what RDJ says. Protein powders are great for post workout. Casein protein is great for inbetween and a great, great source of calcium. You need calcium for osteogenesis, now how you go about getting that calcium is up to you. But, I will tell you, Casein protein is extremely, extremely effective because it can help curb your appetite due to how long it takes to be digested, and because it is slow digesting, it has an effect of a slow drip amino acid/anabolic/catabolic prevention effect. Mix up some oats or quinoa in your casein shake, and you have a full fucking belly for hours.

Not saying avoid macronutrients, have them too. But don't go without/catabolic because it is inconvenient to pack a shake that takes 20 seconds to consume.
Interesting stuff dude. Mine is a combination of inflammation as well as old injuries that have got alot worse. My rehab is going so so but im defintly going to look for Fish Oil and EFA`s. Im willing to try anything that may help.

[Koa]

I found out I had a calcium deficiency, which explained a bit of muscle and small twitching problems I was having. Try glucosamine controitin, ensure you have sufficient calcium, and try to make sure you are getting over a gallon of water a day.

[scurlaruntings]

I found out I had a calcium deficiency, which explained a bit of muscle and small twitching problems I was having. Try glucosamine controitin, ensure you have sufficient calcium, and try to make sure you are getting over a gallon of water a day.Iv just started a course of Glucosamine Chondroitin a few weeks ago to see if i see a diffrence. Im also wrapping my joints to ensure they stay warm. So far i have seen a slight diffrence. Im also working out light in the weights room to keep them loose and strengthen the surrounding muscles. Hopefully it works. Good looking out dude. :thumbsup

[Koa]

I only think whey is good for post workout along with carbs.. You mentioned carbing up, so I take it you are familiar with replacing glycogen stores.

The inbetween shakes should be Casein. I cant stress how convenient it seems to be considering things like absorption and avoiding catabolic states.

[Koa]

If you have any shoulder/scapular problems. You really should try working out the rotator cuff. You can use a heavy band, but light weight on a cable machine, or a light dumbell 5-15 lbs seems to work best.. Try to get 25-30 reps in, 3-5 sets when you work it out.. And a set of 25 for a warm up before you do any bench, shoulder press sort of work.. The best exercise seems to be cable external rotations.. So many reps because the muscle is mostly slow twitch.. Helped me out a bunch, I would always get pains when messing with dips. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[scurlaruntings]

I only think whey is good for post workout along with carbs.. You mentioned carbing up, so I take it you are familiar with replacing glycogen stores.

The inbetween shakes should be Casein. I cant stress how convenient it seems to be considering things like absorption and avoiding catabolic states.I was catabolic once but that was years ago when my diet was a mess. As for protein shakes i only take them post workout. Other than that i make sure i get what ever nutrients i need through food and food alone. Im not a big fan of supplements at all or over reliance on them. And all i consume now are complex carbs. Iv seen a massive difference in performance. Even my strength and muscle memory is better!

[Koa]

Sure, carbs are your basic supply of energy. Proteins are going to supply your body with the raw materials to build, and maintain mass.

Part of the problem with a lot of people, (and perhaps this is what people think I do) is that they take in too much protein and try to rely on it as staple source of energy. Protein isn't the most efficient source, if you have nothing but protein, you likely will feel lethargic, your glycogen stores will deplete, and that can lead to a catabolic environment as well.

Unless you carb up, you can't expect to put your body through hypertrophy, and for your body to work very well.

The thing, I feel people don't seem to understand the muscle system. Type 1 slow twitch fibres use oxygen to operate, type 2b fast twitch use glycogen. Fast twitch type 2a can use either or, and are intermediate fibres..

Obviously, you want your muscles to work optimally, you should be using all of them, and feeding all of them.. You basically need a form of glycogen.

The other part of the problem, people don't know how to train their muscles correctly.. Either trying to train slow twitch muscles like fast twitch muscles.

[RDJ]

Fats are an important supplier of energy as well. The only fuel source muscle can use though, is ATP. Dephosphorylation of ATP makes ADP + P + energy. How ADP is re-phosphorylized and which muscle fibers are more active depends on how much energy is required for a certain movement. There are three possibilities:

- Dephosphorylation of creatinephosphate (CP), the freed P + energy will be used to reattach the phosphor to ADP.
- Burning glycogen without oxygen (anaerobic).
- Burning respectively glycogen, fats or protein with oxygen (aerobic).

[Koa]

Part of the problem with burning fats is the bodies ability to switch from burning carbs, to burning fats.

I'm not sure if anyone remembers, but I tried, what is called a ketosis diet a few months ago. It worked to a degree, but eventually it wore me down and I got sick. I was averaging around 2-3 lbs a week.

Theoretically, you only load carbs one day a week. So basically, 6 days out of the week you are eating mostly protein and fat, which optimizes the switch to using fats as energy. Carbs you do supply should be plant based and low calorie, like whole broccoli, carrots, leafy greens, no starches. Part of the problem, it takes a while for the process, of converting fat to energy in the mitochondria to actually occur.. So, doing medium cardio, essentially letting your heart rate go above 125 for extended periods of time is too fast a pace for your body to keep up the transformation of fat to energy.. Essentially, your body ends up in a catabolic environment..

Cardio is supposed to be more like, a somewhat fast walk, and walking throughout the day. Weight lifting is supposed to be limited to heavy lifting, not too much more than five reps per set.

[RDJ]

Interesting stuff dude. Mine is a combination of inflammation as well as old injuries that have got alot worse. My rehab is going so so but im defintly going to look for Fish Oil and EFA`s. Im willing to try anything that may help.

Fish oil is anti inflammatory. Garlic, clove, cinnamon, ginger, turmeric, things like that are also very good against inflammations. Herbs and spices are very underrated.

[cockneyhardman]

Sure, carbs are your basic supply of energy. Proteins are going to supply your body with the raw materials to build, and maintain mass.

Part of the problem with a lot of people, (and perhaps this is what people think I do) is that they take in too much protein and try to rely on it as staple source of energy. Protein isn't the most efficient source, if you have nothing but protein, you likely will feel lethargic, your glycogen stores will deplete, and that can lead to a catabolic environment as well.

Unless you carb up, you can't expect to put your body through hypertrophy, and for your body to work very well.

The thing, I feel people don't seem to understand the muscle system. Type 1 slow twitch fibres use oxygen to operate, type 2b fast twitch use glycogen. Fast twitch type 2a can use either or, and are intermediate fibres..

Obviously, you want your muscles to work optimally, you should be using all of them, and feeding all of them.. You basically need a form of glycogen.

The other part of the problem, people don't know how to train their muscles correctly.. Either trying to train slow twitch muscles like fast twitch muscles.

the amount of protein needed is over estimated
a sedentary person only needs 0.9 grams per kilo of lean bodyweight
if you build up you need a bit more - 1.2 to 1.5 depending on the degree of building up
some articles i have read are ludicrous and state you should eat 30% calories from protein which means if your consuming 3000 calories per day 30% = 225 grams of protein - too much unless you are very fkin big

[RDJ]

Amen.
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[sam1222]

i do both, lift and box. it just depends what works for you. i start all my work outs with pull-ups and press ups and tend to finish with dips, whether its weights or boxing training. i always finish a weights session with 45 mins of padwork. (i lift 3 times per week, light, medium and a heavy day) i also swim, cycle and run 3 times per week. the run consists of a mile an a half run to the local stadium to do a circuit on the steps then the run back. theres 4 blocks of steps (2 flights of 15 steps on the 1st 3 blocks, and 5 flights of 15 on the 4th block) with a disabled access ramp at the end, there's 4 ramps and i run them after the steps back to the start point. i do 10 circuits altogether. the only supplements i take are muli-vitamins and cod liver oil.

[pijo]

I box and occasionally lift weight, maybe once a week something.