Is fedor p4p no.1?

[socrates]

here's what a few of the fighters think.

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also i'd like to hear peoples thoughts on mirko's return to the ufc at ufc 99??

[ufoalf]

Yea, it's old, been redone after every Fedor fight.

I love Joe Rogan's passion. It's unprecedented.

[socrates]

Yea, it's old, been redone after every Fedor fight.

I love Joe Rogan's passion. It's unprecedented.originality is one of my forte's!

[Bill Butcher]

No question, Fedor is no1 right now.

Between him & Sakuraba for the all time p4p spot IMO.

:thumbsup

[socrates]

No question, Fedor is no1 right now.

Between him & Sakuraba for the all time p4p spot IMO.

:thumbsup
big statement.

all time p4p so far,yes.

regards sakuraba though i disagree.

loving the DDL avvy,greatest screen actor on the planet.

[québecwarrior]

excuse my no knowledge of this sport, but who is Fedor? Does he have a second name? I've never heard of him.

[Vitor Belfort]

Fedor is # 1 no doubt about it. He destroyed 2 UFC heavyweight champions in less than 4 minutes. Spider Silva-GSP -Penn just gotta be happy to be behind him cuz as long as Fedor fights he will always be # 1. :D

[jimmie]

As for Cro Cop I honestly dont think much he hasnt improved any since 2007 that I can tell he was getting dominated vs Overeem if he does face Couture he has a striking chance but more then likely Couture will maul him in the clinch get him down and stop him. BTW Fedor is the best pound for pound hes just dominant and always has been to have him at anything else hes beat pretty much all the top Heavyweights aside from a couple.

[Shogun_12]

fedor should be #1 p4p even if he retires. has anyone seen fedor looked foolish in the ring except for the time he did the chicken dance against fujita, then afterwards fedor kicked his ass and gave him maybe one of the most gruesome chokes i've seen in mma.. now compare fedor to the other fighter's on the p4p list.

lets see...
A. Silva - got caught by a flying scissor heelhook.
GSP - caught in a hail mary armbar by hughes and tapped due to strikes from serra.
BJ - quit in a championship fight due to the beating delivered by the guy above him.

Fedor #1 p4p.

[The Phenom]

yes.

[québecwarrior]

fedor should be #1 p4p even if he retires. has anyone seen fedor looked foolish in the ring except for the time he did the chicken dance against fujita, then afterwards fedor kicked his ass and gave him maybe one of the most gruesome chokes i've seen in mma.. now compare fedor to the other fighter's on the p4p list.

lets see...
A. Silva - got caught by a flying scissor heelhook.
GSP - caught in a hail mary armbar by hughes and tapped due to strikes from serra.
BJ - quit in a championship fight due to the beating delivered by the guy above him.

Fedor #1 p4p.
ok I dont disagree that Fedor is the best P4P, but there is NO shame getting arm bared at your 8th pro fight, and 3rd fight in the UFC, vs the greatest WW of all time.

[Tyga]

Anybody who doesn't think that Fedor is the best P4P fighter, is clueless.

[Scorpion]

No question, Fedor is no1 right now.

Between him & Sakuraba for the all time p4p spot IMO.

:thumbsup


:good:good:good Agreed, I never knew how special Sakuraba was until I saw the pride video.

[OuterDrake]

Amongst humans yes.

But to other prime apes ,I'm not so sure.

[brandon9624]

I think of all time yes, but right now, its got to be Anderson Silva. That doesn't make sense, right, I'm considering the heavyweight division is shit compared to what it was years ago. Anderson Silva is in an extremely tough division and only seems to get better, showing no flaws since he's been in ufc.

[achillesthegreat]

I think Fedor could be P4P1. He is a heavyweight but a small heavyweight who carrys about 20 pounds fat. He has beaten giants and small skilled guys so within the heavyweight divison he is mixing it up with different sized/skilled fighters. The man is unstoppable.

I don't think Silva is number1, nor is BJ. I think GSP can contend it. My only issue is I can't see Fedor losing in the way GSP did.

[Bill Butcher]

:good:good:good Agreed, I never knew how special Sakuraba was until I saw the pride video.

Yep, greatest MWT that ever lived, its defo between him & Fedor for all time best, you cant take Sak`s recent fights on board, he`s been absolutely shot for yrs but loves fighting so much he wont give it up, shame really, he`s gonna get brain damage.

[québecwarrior]

Yep, greatest MWT that ever lived, its defo between him & Fedor for all time best, you cant take Sak`s recent fights on board, he`s been absolutely shot for yrs but loves fighting so much he wont give it up, shame really, he`s gonna get brain damage.
greatest MW that ever lived?
For accomplishment okay, maybe, I'll favour Anderson Silva over him in a fantasy matchup.
And its not between fedor and Sakuraba for the greatest..Fedor IS the greatest of all time, you cant argue it. It's nothing against Sakuraba really, just that Fedor, has no equal.

[ufoalf]

Yep, greatest MWT that ever lived, its defo between him & Fedor for all time best


No, no it isn't. Saku is great fighter and a great entertainer but he's not GOAT. There are others that have had great success to match Saku.

[ShadowWorks]

Lets see Fedor and Anderson dance to qualify and Unifiy the P4P label once and for all.

Anderson is the only human I give a true shot, everybody else has been foreplay.

[demzor]

I was a skeptic for awhile..
He was fighting a lot of questionable opposition... and i quite frankly question anything that happened in pride.


The way he destroyed Sylvia and Arlovski.. on top of who he beat in Pride.. has made me a believer. The guy has an almost unheard of killer instinct.

You have to give him the #1 spot right now.


Anderson is right there.. but i still want to see him fight some more. There are still guys i think could cause him trouble..
Damien Maia looks like he could be next in line. That guy has some serious skills.
Mousasi.. Jacare would be interesting..
Wandy moving down to 185 could make for a good fight

[achillesthegreat]

I don't see how Anderson can be ranked higher than 3 or 4. Anderson has lost. Fedor has never lost and GSP has brutally avenged his losses or close fights.

[demzor]

Andersons last loss was an illegal upkick..
which is lame

And the others were a long ass time ago.. and Anderson would surely kill those guys now.

A hitlist with names like Henderson, Franklin, Marquardt is pretty damn good. The way he absolutely DEMOLISHED Chris Leben was also impressive. Leben might not be the greatest fighter around.. but he gives a lot of fighters a tough time.

But I agree.. he needs to fight a few more guys to be #1 p4p...

[achillesthegreat]

Andersons last loss was an illegal upkick..
which is lame

And the others were a long ass time ago.. and Anderson would surely kill those guys now.

A hitlist with names like Henderson, Franklin, Marquardt is pretty damn good. The way he absolutely DEMOLISHED Chris Leben was also impressive. Leben might not be the greatest fighter around.. but he gives a lot of fighters a tough time.

But I agree.. he needs to fight a few more guys to be #1 p4p...

I THINK Silva would avenge his losses. I KNOW GSP has avenged his losses. See the difference.

A hitlist with Hughes x2, BJ Penn x2 etc is also good.

Silva is looking amazing and when he went to 205 I thought wow this is where he will stamp his legacy. I just can't fault GSP. I just love the way GSP approaches the game in almost every way. Same with Fedor. How many more years will we talk about how he will lose. Many have come close but no cigar.

[demzor]

The only "loss" Anderson should bother avenging is the one to Yushin Okami.
He is a top 10 185lb'er


Ryo Chonan fights at 170... and he just lost to Brad Blackburn and Karo. There is no reason to see this fight. Fans would be pissed if it was even made.

Takase has a sub .500 record. He has lost his last 4 fights.There is no reason for Anderson to be fighting him.

Azerado is also a nobody...



There is zero doubt as to who would win these fights if they were made. Silva is not the same fighter.

[Scorpion]

greatest MW that ever lived?
For accomplishment okay, maybe, I'll favour Anderson Silva over him in a fantasy matchup.
And its not between fedor and Sakuraba for the greatest..Fedor IS the greatest of all time, you cant argue it. It's nothing against Sakuraba really, just that Fedor, has no equal.


:lol: I thought you didn't know anything about Fedor.

[brandon9624]

The middleweight division seems like everyone fighting just to see who can be the next to lose to Anderson Silva.
GSP, IN HIS PRIME, got his ass handed to him by Matt Serra, who was a smaller fighter and already a long time veteran, with a not so great win/loss record.
IMO, anderson and Fedor are in a league by themselves and they have one thing in common... the way they beat people is violent and fucking scary. Just ask Rich Franklin, Dan henderson, leben, James Irvin, Alex Steibling, Tim Sylvia, Arlovski.
Either Fedor or Anderson #1

[Marvelous Marcum]

:lol: I thought you didn't know anything about Fedor.

He learns at an unbelievably fast rate.

[québecwarrior]

:lol: I thought you didn't know anything about Fedor.
Who is Fedor?

[achillesthegreat]

The only "loss" Anderson should bother avenging is the one to Yushin Okami.
He is a top 10 185lb'er


Ryo Chonan fights at 170... and he just lost to Brad Blackburn and Karo. There is no reason to see this fight. Fans would be pissed if it was even made.

Takase has a sub .500 record. He has lost his last 4 fights.There is no reason for Anderson to be fighting him.

Azerado is also a nobody...



There is zero doubt as to who would win these fights if they were made. Silva is not the same fighter.
I can't go on opinions. I must go on facts. One of Silvas victors could be his bogey man. Fighters like GSP on the other hand proved they were the better man.

When all is said and done Silva will have achieved enough to make his losses almost moot points BUT not when being compared to a fighter who did right his wrong. In this case that is Fedor, GSP and arguably BJ.

[brandon9624]

My point is GSP let himself get beatdown by Matt Serra just a few years ago, after everyone was singing his praises about how great he was, who cares if he avenged it, it still happened. Anderson Silva hasn't showed any signs of defeat, hasn't even had a fight go to a descision in how many years? And I feel sorry for the next person who tries a "flying heel hook" on him.

[achillesthegreat]

My point is GSP let himself get beatdown by Matt Serra just a few years ago, after everyone was singing his praises about how great he was, who cares if he avenged it, it still happened. Anderson Silva hasn't showed any signs of defeat, hasn't even had a fight go to a descision in how many years? And I feel sorry for the next person who tries a "flying heel hook" on him.

He didn't let himself get beatdown. I think both GSPs losses, he just got caught - once with a sub, once with a big punch which he couldn't recover from.

Isn't it a bit embarassing that Silva got caught with a flying heel hook!

You are basing Andersons ranking off his good run. I base it on their overall records. It's preference but I think its also being selective. Someone might rank Armstrong over Robinson based on his peak. I take the career as a whole. There may be reasons for why he lost, had tough fight etc but it must be judged as a whole.

[québecwarrior]

My point is GSP let himself get beatdown by Matt Serra just a few years ago, after everyone was singing his praises about how great he was, who cares if he avenged it, it still happened. Anderson Silva hasn't showed any signs of defeat, hasn't even had a fight go to a descision in how many years? And I feel sorry for the next person who tries a "flying heel hook" on him.
oh and getting tooled and subbed on the ground by Takase a guy who is 7-11 is better?
Yes it happened.

[1/2milBaby]

A wholehearted yes. The man is a beast!

[sugarngold]

Yes, Fedor is still number one as he has faced elite competition over the years and is considered undefeated despite the dubious technical loss from his Rings days.

[Grievesy]

He didn't let himself get beatdown. I think both GSPs losses, he just got caught - once with a sub, once with a big punch which he couldn't recover from.

Isn't it a bit embarassing that Silva got caught with a flying heel hook!

You are basing Andersons ranking off his good run. I base it on their overall records. It's preference but I think its also being selective. Someone might rank Armstrong over Robinson based on his peak. I take the career as a whole. There may be reasons for why he lost, had tough fight etc but it must be judged as a whole.

Are we talking p4p all time or now?

If now then I think you have to rate them based on relatively recent results. So losses that occurred 4 years ago shouldn't be a factor or not a big one (i.e. Silva's two to Chonan and Takase and GSP's to Hughes.) They should be based on now. Otherwise, what if a guy comes along with some losses before hand to lesser fighters, but clears out say WW and beats GSP? He doesn't get the spot based on those losses?

[BoxingFanNo1]

If anyone actually argues the point my advice to you is stop following MMA.
There is no debate, there is no argument.
Fedor is not only p4p right now, he's the p4p king period, and will be for a long time.
I'm a GSP fan but even I'll concede Fedor is in a different league from everyone else.

[brandon9624]

oh and getting tooled and subbed on the ground by Takase a guy who is 7-11 is better?
Yes it happened.

Yes it happened, nearly six years ago. Chonan loss, '04.

[achillesthegreat]

Are we talking p4p all time or now?

If now then I think you have to rate them based on relatively recent results. So losses that occurred 4 years ago shouldn't be a factor or not a big one (i.e. Silva's two to Chonan and Takase and GSP's to Hughes.) They should be based on now. Otherwise, what if a guy comes along with some losses before hand to lesser fighters, but clears out say WW and beats GSP? He doesn't get the spot based on those losses?

P4P or to date.

GSP and Silva have been top dogs since they started their p4p run in the rankings. Silva I think is a more recent addition to the high ranks but GSP has been ranked high for a while. In this case I do think both losses should be included. It must be remembered that in MMA records are much smaller cos there is much less bum fighting.

If your example came into effect then I would forget alot of losses (I think we did this with Couture maybe). However IF I'm comparing fighters then losses will come into affect. I can't not fault a man who has losses in comparison to one who hasnt lossed or has avenged his losses.

[socrates]

I think of all time yes, but right now, its got to be Anderson Silva. That doesn't make sense, right, I'm considering the heavyweight division is shit compared to what it was years ago. Anderson Silva is in an extremely tough division and only seems to get better, showing no flaws since he's been in ufc.
the ufc middleweight division is hardle enthralling,albeit it is getting better now wandy and bisping are making noises.

[brandon9624]

the ufc middleweight division is hardle enthralling,albeit it is getting better now wandy and bisping are making noises.
You're right, the MW division is only going to get better and the whole GSP or Silva argument should work itself out by the end of the year. I'll concede. I can say one thing though, GSP and Anderson are fighting the best guys in their respected weight classes (though Belfort is making noise at 185), I think Fedor would have to come to the UFC to say he's fighting the top competition at his weight. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from Fedor, but who can he fight outside of the UFC that would be interesting, Kharitonov or Barnett?

[ufoalf]

You're right, the MW division is only going to get better and the whole GSP or Silva argument should work itself out by the end of the year. I'll concede. I can say one thing though, GSP and Anderson are fighting the best guys in their respected weight classes (though Belfort is making noise at 185), I think Fedor would have to come to the UFC to say he's fighting the top competition at his weight. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from Fedor, but who can he fight outside of the UFC that would be interesting, Kharitonov or Barnett?

Barnette and Arlovski were both considered top 5 almost all MMA websites. Most being 1 and 2 after Fedor. Affliction HW division has the top 3 HW fighters. Fedor beat one of them. Now it's Barnette vs Fedor #1 vs #2 or #3. UFC was forced to bring CC back their division is so weak. Whens the last time UFC done that?
You seriously just quoted Dana White is all. Fedor killed #5(at the time) in the world in Tim Sylvia in 36 seconds. And make #2 or 3 in the world look like road kill in 3 and a half minutes. Also, people who say AA was dominating the fight before the KO, watch the effin fight. Fedor who cuts and bruises like he's made out of clay didn't have a mark on his face. The whole fight was filmed at an angle that makes all exchanges look a lot worse then they really were.

[Grecorussian]

No doubt. Fedor is the best of all

[brandon9624]

Barnette and Arlovski were both considered top 5 almost all MMA websites. Most being 1 and 2 after Fedor. Affliction HW division has the top 3 HW fighters. Fedor beat one of them. Now it's Barnette vs Fedor #1 vs #2 or #3. UFC was forced to bring CC back their division is so weak. Whens the last time UFC done that?
You seriously just quoted Dana White is all. Fedor killed #5(at the time) in the world in Tim Sylvia in 36 seconds. And make #2 or 3 in the world look like road kill in 3 and a half minutes. Also, people who say AA was dominating the fight before the KO, watch the effin fight. Fedor who cuts and bruises like he's made out of clay didn't have a mark on his face. The whole fight was filmed at an angle that makes all exchanges look a lot worse then they really were.
Screw the rankings. Barnett's last two fights were against Yvel and Rizzo, and he's #1 contender? What is this, 2003? Tim Sylvia was brutalized by Couture, and had his forearm broken in half by Mir. And then Lesnar goes on to beat Couture. I think Fedor could beat these guys, but lets see it happen.

[brandon9624]

Screw the rankings. Barnett's last two fights were against Yvel and Rizzo, and he's #1 contender? What is this, 2003? Tim Sylvia was brutalized by Couture, and had his forearm broken in half by Mir. And then Lesnar goes on to beat Couture. I think Fedor could beat these guys, but lets see it happen.
Thought about it, I'll admit I'm wrong. Fedor is and always will be p4p #1, he has #1 spot at HW far longer, than other p4pounders, Liddell, Wandy, BJ, Hughes. They were on top of the world years ago with Fedor, but they've fizzled out he keeps going.
Fedor owes us nothing, he could retire now and has nothing to prove. Selfishly, as a fight fan there are fights I'd like to see happen, but he has continued time and time again to step in ring with top competition for over five years now and never came close to losing. HE IS, ALWAYS WILL BE, THE MAN.

[socrates]

. HE IS, ALWAYS WILL BE, THE MAN.correct.