Julian Jackson vs. Tony Ayala

[laxpdx]

Tony stops him mid-rounds. But that's just me. Or anyone else who thinks El Torito would've been more than something to be reckoned with.

[buzzsaw]

Julian by KO early in first rd.

[la-califa]

Jackson is all offense, No defense & weak chin. Ayala could avoid the bombs & counter, landing his own bombs. Could go either way, but IMO Ayala would be the first to land a big punch. Ayala's killer instinct would then take over & finish Jackson.

[timmers612]

Julian could take out most fighters he could tag, and I think he would tag Tony, still I take Tony by mid round stoppage. Man, this makes me realise some of the great fights we missed when Tony went the wrong way.

[young griffo]

Who the fuck did Ayala ever beat to make people think he could beat Jackson?

He was an untested prospect who'd beaten up some journeymen and fringe contenders at best but didn't have a single win over a serious contender.
His reputation is built on fairytales like allegedly beating the stuffing out of Pipino Cuevas in sparring when he was an infant,and garbage like how he'd have destroyed Hearns and Leonard as warm ups before meeting Hagler in a superfight.

Sorry I don't buy this.I see a powerful and aggressive fighter with a sloppy defense who'd already been floored and hurt against Mario Maldonado.This gives me little hope for his chances against one of the hardest p4p punchers in boxing history in Jackson.

Jackson was a full head and shoulders above anyone that Ayala ever fought and I'd expect him to knock an aggressive but wide open Ayala out cold in 3 to 5 rounds.

[red cobra]

My hope would have been that Julian Jackson would have decapitated that pestilent, degenerate unrepentant rapist bastard.

[bumdujour]

Jackson would rape his ass so bad ayala would think he was back in prison.

[TBooze]

Jackson was the proven product; Ayala could of, should of, but didn't.

Jackson KO3

[redrooster]

Tony being a prospect didn't have the resume but why should that matter? Foreman was at a disadvantage when he faced Frazier and Tony had the top trainers in Duva and Benton, working miracles with less gifted fighters in Czyz, Taylor, Whitaker, Holyfield, etc.

His talents set him above the rest of the division in the same way as Camacho had at 130. We all knew they were going to be champions and woe to the man who stood in their way.

We know of course how easily Hector won his championship(s) and the only way to stop Tony was with imprisonment. He was a beast in the ring and believe it or not was favored to beat Duran in a head to head matchup.

So experience wasn't a problem with me. It's his chin I wonder how it would hold up so I wouldnt bet money on Tony. Like the man said, Jackson was more proven.

[Shake]

Taylor, Whitaker, gifted? Naaaaaaah.

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I mean in terms of power, no other fighter from the Duva camp had the killer instinct or raw power of Tony. it was like he could punch holes thru a man.

This wouldn't have held up so much in the middleweight division but where he was it gave him a huge edge in fights since he could destroy a man almost at will whereas Pernell was forced to go the full route almost everytime winning on guile and near unparalled skills.

[JohnThomas1]

Tony being a prospect didn't have the resume but why should that matter? Foreman was at a disadvantage when he faced Frazier and Tony had the top trainers in Duva and Benton, working miracles with less gifted fighters in Czyz, Taylor, Whitaker, Holyfield, etc.


:lol:

His talents set him above the rest of the division in the same way as Camacho had at 130. We all knew they were going to be champions and woe to the man who stood in their way.

Camacho won the title off a terribly limited fighter on his last legs who was just made to order. Roger Mayweather was the big name title holder (was considered by many to be an even money fight with Hector at this time) and Hector sure didn't choose to go his way. One single defense of the title then gone from 130, how this sets him above i'll never know. A unification vs Lockridge, who had upset Mayweather would have been good too. At the end of the day with truth as a motive Hector didn't beat bugger all at 130 comparative to what you claim.

We know of course how easily Hector won his championship(s) and the only way to stop Tony was with imprisonment. He was a beast in the ring and believe it or not was favored to beat Duran in a head to head matchup.

Favoured to beat a Duran coming off losses the year before to Benitez and Kirkland Laing and wrongly considered to have nothing left whatsoever. If the match was made after Duran flogged Davey Moore the oddsmakers wouldn't have been quite so lenient.

So experience wasn't a problem with me. It's his chin I wonder how it would hold up so I wouldnt bet money on Tony. Like the man said, Jackson was more proven.

So after telling us his talents set him apart you have reservations about his untested chin, yet none considering his lack of a single win over an opponent even close to being ranked. To say Jackson was more proven isn't exactly a revelation, hell, Tadisha Mihara was more proven :rofl

Sorry lax lol

[JohnThomas1]

I mean in terms of power, no other fighter from the Duva camp had the killer instinct or raw power of Tony. it was like he could punch holes thru a man.

This wouldn't have held up so much in the middleweight division but where he was it gave him a huge edge in fights since he could destroy a man almost at will whereas Pernell was forced to go the full route almost everytime winning on guile and near unparalled skills.

Yeah and here's Whitaker beating ATG's and clearing divisions while the best Tony beat was Robbie Epps, who was coming off a loss to Teddy Mann. Yeah, who?

[Ted Stickles]

Tony Ayala = Dispicable human

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:lol:



Camacho won the title off a terribly limited fighter on his last legs who was just made to order. Roger Mayweather was the big name title holder (was considered by many to be an even money fight with Hector at this time) and Hector sure didn't choose to go his way. One single defense of the title then gone from 130, how this sets him above i'll never know. A unification vs Lockridge, who had upset Mayweather would have been good too. At the end of the day with truth as a motive Hector didn't beat bugger all at 130 comparative to what you claim.



Favoured to beat a Duran coming off losses the year before to Benitez and Kirkland Laing and wrongly considered to have nothing left whatsoever. If the match was made after Duran flogged Davey Moore the oddsmakers wouldn't have been quite so lenient.



So after telling us his talents set him apart you have reservations about his untested chin, yet none considering his lack of a single win over an opponent even close to being ranked. To say Jackson was more proven isn't exactly a revelation, hell, Tadisha Mihara was more proven :rofl

Sorry lax lol

Dude, enough of the comedy. We all know you got your dates mixed up. The article was before the Laing bout. And we all know Roger was a sorry excuse for another hitman. Who, I repeat, who said or who would go out on a limb and pick lame twig like Mayweather over Hector???

You said even money and to do that you have to have sources. You of course have none. :smoke

Too bad.

[Bummy Davis]

I have seen Ayala hurt and come back but With Jackson, he was one puncher who you could not come back against, Ayala never proved he could do it. He had promise but his mental weakness destroyed him before success,Ike Ibeabuchi is another guy. We really dont know if they had IT

[JohnThomas1]

Dude, enough of the comedy. We all know you got your dates mixed up. The article was before the Laing bout. And we all know Roger was a sorry excuse for another hitman. Who, I repeat, who said or who would go out on a limb and pick lame twig like Mayweather over Hector???

You said even money and to do that you have to have sources. You of course have none. :smoke

Too bad.

Anyone around back in the day knows Mayweather was considered a great chance of taking Camacho's zero pre Lockridge. His chin had not yet been exposed and his size, jab and booming right hand were considered prime assets for a potential win. Camacho right then was considered a top boxer with sensational speed, feather fists and an untested set of whiskers.

[JohnThomas1]

I have seen Ayala hurt and come back

You mean one of those no names actually hurt him? Jeez.

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Anyone around back in the day knows Mayweather was considered a great chance of taking Camacho's zero pre Lockridge. His chin had not yet been exposed and his size, jab and booming right hand were considered prime assets for a potential win. Camacho right then was considered a top boxer with sensational speed, feather fists and an untested set of whiskers.

i was around at the time and I never saw any comments hinting at a Mayweather win. Complete bullshit. If I'm going to come out with something absurd, I'll quote where I got the article from ie; Bumphus tko win over Pryor from the pages of World boxing, Feb. 1984.

His chin hadn't been exposed eh? It didn't take long for us to found out ....year after year... after year.

Later sucker.

[JohnThomas1]

i was around at the time and I never saw any comments hinting at a Mayweather win. Complete bullshit.

Remember what they say about he who has the last laugh ;)

If I'm going to come out with something absurd, I'll quote where I got the article from ie; Bumphus tko win over Pryor from the pages of World boxing, Feb. 1984.


Oh rubbish, you'd be quoting articles every post not to mention you'd never find back up for most of the rot you speak. When one looks up absurd in the dic here's your pic sitting there in all it's glory, you know the one, dinner posted it again just the other day

:rofl

His chin hadn't been exposed eh? It didn't take long for us to found out ....year after year... after year.

What's that got to do with the debate? Given Camacho's lack of power Roger may well have lit a fire up his ass.

[redrooster]

:lol: Oh, that was before we found out he didn't have a chin. Let's just say Hector didn't have a punch to even things out.

When are you going to stop with the front and quote your sources or am I supposed to just take your word for everything?

maywather got very little ink even for after winning his title; just an article here or there. Never made it on the cover of any sports magazine, never appeared on wide world of sports, never in one p4p rankings and that was before meeting up with Lockridge.