The post fight attitude of some fans pisses me off

[Jack]

I just saw the title of the "Kessler another Lacy" thread, and it reminded me of a load of posts which seriously annoy me.

People will look back on Calzaghe and say "He beat a fighter who was limited". however, what they conveniantly forget is that Lacy was a hot favourite against Calzaghe. people though Lacy was the real deal, and Calzaghe was passing on the torch. In hindsight Lacy wasn't good enough, however, you can't take away anything from Calzaghe's performance because Lacy was expected to crush him.

It's the same with Haton and Tszyu. People will always say "Tszyu was old", but the vast majority of people didn't give Hatton a fucking chance. If it wa so obvious that Tszyu was shot, why did nobody give Haton a chance?

If he was that shot or that outclassed, they both wouldn't have been obvious favourites going into the fight. therefore, you can't take anything away from the victories. If you say "They are past it" or whatever before the fight, then that fighter loses, then you have a solid defence, but if not, it just seems hypocritical and ignorant.

[McGrain]

I agree with the guts of what you're saying Jack; but in the Calzaghe case, it's fair to take what Lacey has done since in to account, which is basically nothing.

[Amsterdam]

I agree with the guys of what you're saying Jack; but in the Calzaghe case, it's fair to take what Lacey has done since in to account, which is basically nothing.

That's because our supernatural SMW icon ruined his ass.:verysad

[McGrain]

That's because our supernatural SMW icon ruined his ass.:verysad

There may be something in that.

[Jack]

I agree with the guys of what you're saying Jack; but in the Calzaghe case, it's fair to take what Lacey has done since in to account, which is basically nothing.I think that fight ruined him. I don't think the acy we have seen post-Calzaghe is the same as the one prior to the fight. That Lacy was a handful. The Lacy we have now is like Frazier after the first Ali fight, or Taylor after Chavez I. These fighters just lost it in one night, so if you're loking for a true look at their talents, it's probably best to look at them before the 'career ending' fights.

The Lacy who beat Reid, is a much better fighter than the one who struggled against Tsypko.

[McGrain]

I think that fight ruined him. I don't think the acy we have seen post-Calzaghe is the same as the one prior to the fight. That Lacy was a handful. The Lacy we have now is like Frazier after the first Ali fight, or Taylor after Chavez I. These fighters just lost it in one night, so if you're loking for a true look at their talents, it's probably best to look at them before the 'career ending' fights.

The Lacy who beat Reid, is a much better fighter than the one who struggled against Tsypko.


Again you make fair points. But the post-Frazier Ali (who I agree was not quite the same man) would still have beaten 99% of all heavyweights, ever - Lacey looks like a gatekeeper type now.

Anyway, these are details, what you're saying overall i agree with.

[Amsterdam]

I think that fight ruined him. I don't think the acy we have seen post-Calzaghe is the same as the one prior to the fight. That Lacy was a handful. The Lacy we have now is like Frazier after the first Ali fight, or Taylor after Chavez I. These fighters just lost it in one night, so if you're loking for a true look at their talents, it's probably best to look at them before the 'career ending' fights.

The Lacy who beat Reid, is a much better fighter than the one who struggled against Tsypko.

And before he injured his shoulder, he was man handling Tsypko, not that V. Tyspko is anything special anyway... just a solid fringer.

Anyway, I don't rate on reputation, I rate on what I see and while Lacy was not a P4P fighter, he was a very solid fighter and had the fight been the least bit competitive, I garauntee you overtime it would garner more credit, even though several months after the Lacy fight, everyone was high on JC.

Lacy was pretty good, it's not always the opponent, it's the victory itself and a 12-0 brutal thrashing with some style on top of it is about as good as it gets in my opinion. The best part for me was when the begining of round 12 commensed and JC had broken his hand in the 8th, so Enzo asked him to just stick and move essentially and stay out of danger because he has won 11 rounds and just needs to see the final bell for a garaunteed victory and JC just walks him down some more and even drops him. JC fights are so damn entertaining, even if people here in the USA think he's not what he's cracked up to be, they have to enjoy these fights.

[GazOC]

I agree Jack. The Zoo-Hatton thing really pisses me off.....most people on here were picking Zoo by VERY early KO but when he loses he's 'shot'..

[Scar]

I agree with the guts of what you're saying Jack; but in the Calzaghe case, it's fair to take what Lacey has done since in to account, which is basically nothing.

The one to blame here for Lacy not doing much lately is Calzaghe, he basically destroyed Lacy and Lacy's performance against Tsypko was typical but wasn't enough, he actually lost that fight in my opinion. Then the injury came and now he's inactive, Lacy was hurt in that fight against Tsypko as well, who can we blame again?, Calzaghe. Lacy is one of my favorites but I must admit here that Calzaghe crushed him in every way that night, hope Lacy improves and doesn't continue relying on the one big punch or he's going to get stopped against anyone decent he fights soon.

[DanePugilist]

Good thread and quality posts all around.

JC deserves all the credit for the way he fought. I am sure Lacy learned alot from this fight.

[SgrRyLeonard]

You're absolutely right, Jack. People thought the same about Trinidad going into his fight with Hopkins; they thought he'd go right through him. Now they talk about how he was the "naturally smaller man moving up", "blown up welterweight", etc. Bottom line: Calzaghe rose to the occassion and was simply the better man that night, Hopkins fought a very smart fight and outsmarted /outboxed Trinidad, and Ricky Hatton proved he was the real deal by beating a great fighter in Kostya Tszyu.

[Scar]

I just saw the title of the "Kessler another Lacy" thread, and it reminded me of a load of posts which seriously annoy me.

People will look back on Calzaghe and say "He beat a fighter who was limited". however, what they conveniantly forget is that Lacy was a hot favourite against Calzaghe. people though Lacy was the real deal, and Calzaghe was passing on the torch. In hindsight Lacy wasn't good enough, however, you can't take away anything from Calzaghe's performance because Lacy was expected to crush him.

It's the same with Haton and Tszyu. People will always say "Tszyu was old", but the vast majority of people didn't give Hatton a fucking chance. If it wa so obvious that Tszyu was shot, why did nobody give Haton a chance?

If he was that shot or that outclassed, they both wouldn't have been obvious favourites going into the fight. therefore, you can't take anything away from the victories. If you say "They are past it" or whatever before the fight, then that fighter loses, then you have a solid defence, but if not, it just seems hypocritical and ignorant.

Totally agree with you but that's how it is in boxing, really hate it as well.

[Amsterdam]

You're absolutely right, Jack. People thought the same about Trinidad going into his fight with Hopkins; they thought he'd go right through him. Now they talk about how he was the "naturally smaller man moving up", "blown up welterweight", etc. Bottom line: Calzaghe rose to the occassion and was simply the better man that night, Hopkins fought a very smart fight and outsmarted /outboxed Trinidad, and Ricky Hatton proved he was the real deal by beating a great fighter in Kostya Tszyu.

History will be more realistic than these morons in the present, it was that way with every generation.

[CarltonBlues]

I agree Jack. The Zoo-Hatton thing really pisses me off.....most people on here were picking Zoo by VERY early KO but when he loses he's 'shot'..

most people thought it was going to be a boxing match.

[BigEars]

most people thought it was going to be a boxing match.

You better be thankful you weren't around before the 1970's(and I'm just making a presumption there) because a lot of boxing matches were just like that .

'this aint fucking tiddlywinks'

[CarltonBlues]

You better be thankful you weren't around before the 1970's(and I'm just making a presumption there) because a lot of boxing matches were just like that .

'this aint fucking tiddlywinks'

Well I am thankful then because that was rubbish.

[paulfv]

That's because our supernatural SMW icon ruined his ass
I agree. JC ruined the "mini Mike Tyson." Who knows what Lacy could have accomplished had he never met Calzaghe in the ring?

It's similar to Vargas after Trinidad. Lacy looks to have gone from "incredibly hot prospect - the next big thing" to "shot" in the less-than-one-hour, 12-round sustained mugging JC delivered. Boxing can be a very cruel game that way.

[kg0208]

You're absolutely right, Jack. People thought the same about Trinidad going into his fight with Hopkins; they thought he'd go right through him. Now they talk about how he was the "naturally smaller man moving up", "blown up welterweight", etc. Bottom line: Calzaghe rose to the occassion and was simply the better man that night, Hopkins fought a very smart fight and outsmarted /outboxed Trinidad, and Ricky Hatton proved he was the real deal by beating a great fighter in Kostya Tszyu.

Well to be honest, I always thought Trinidad was going to lose that fight. I always thought he was a blown up WW fighting over his head. So I can't very well back track on that now.

I also thought KT was getting old due to injuries. But I didn't think he was shot. Didn't make a prediction on Hatton-KT, so can't say much there.

I did win a little money by betting on Calzaghe against Lacy. I don't think he was limited and a hype job like others said later, but I did think he got hit too much and relied on his power far too much.