Top 15 MMA Fighters In History

[Bill Butcher]

No exact order.... (only about 2 or 3 in the list are still in their prime, I tried to make a list of all guys past their best but some guys I couldnt leave out)

Fedor Emelianenko
Kazushi Sakuraba
Wanderlei Silva
Randy Couture
Chuck Liddell
Frank Shamrock
Matt Hughes
Rickson Gracie
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
BJ Penn
George St Pierre
Anderson Silva
Royce Gracie
Marco Ruas
Tito Ortiz

Guys with time left to crack the list or just missed out - Rampage Jackson, Muaricio `Shogun` Rua, Don Frye, Mark Coleman, Ken Shamrock, Pat Militech.

:thumbsup

[Grievesy]

Good list, I agree with almost all of it.

What I am slightly skeptical about is Marco Ruas. Are you basing this on influence on the sport or actual achievements? I understand that Ruas is a pioneer, but as far as MMA goes he hasn't achieved as much as some others that I would put on the list. At the moment I would probably replace him with Mark Coleman.

[MaliSlamusrex]

my top 10 in no order have been chosen for being able to dominate as champion at a particular time in the sport. i am not saying Royce Gracie would beat Cro Cop, rather when Gracie fought he was the best in the world.

Rickson Gracie
Kazushi Sakuraba
Royce Gracie
Randy Couture / Dan Severn
Fedor Emelianenko
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Wanderlei Silva
Dan Henderson
Anderson Silva
George St Pierre

[Bill Butcher]

my top 10 in no order have been chosen for being able to dominate as champion at a particular time in the sport. i am not saying Royce Gracie would beat Cro Cop, rather when Gracie fought he was the best in the world.

Rickson Gracie
Kazushi Sakuraba
Royce Gracie
Randy Couture / Dan Severn
Fedor Emelianenko
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Wanderlei Silva
Dan Henderson
Anderson Silva
George St Pierre

Good list, I should have included Henderson at least on my honourable mention list, forgot about him.

Initially I set out to do a top 10 but there were too many good guys being left out so I did the 15.

:good

[Bill Butcher]

Good list, I agree with almost all of it.

What I am slightly skeptical about is Marco Ruas. Are you basing this on influence on the sport or actual achievements? I understand that Ruas is a pioneer, but as far as MMA goes he hasn't achieved as much as some others that I would put on the list. At the moment I would probably replace him with Mark Coleman.

I hear what your saying about Ruas, I wouldnt put a great argument up for having him on the list, I just felt he was possibly the 1st guy in MMA/NHB to be well rounded & showed that strikers could be successfull in the cage even tho he likely wouldnt have been succesfull without his grappling skills but you get my point, he was something dynamic & new in UFC 7 after the Grapplers had won the previous 6 tourneys... Royce (UFC 1,2 & 4), Jennum (UFC 3), Severn (UFC 5) & Taktarov (UFC 6.)
Ruas also trained guys like Pedro Rizzo & is a legend in vale tudo matches in Brazil & has his own fighting style `Ruas vale tudo.`
Like Rickson, he was kinda old when he came to America & spent his best yrs in Brazil tho.

:good

[codeman99998]

Unfortunately, my list will make me seem as if I don't know much about the history of MMA. It isn't true, I just feel that it is important to acknowledge that the fighters of today ARE better fighters than the fighters of the earlier MMA era. It's just not true, in my opinion, to say Royce Gracie is a top fighter in MMA history just because he revolutionized the sport. No one pretends John Sullivan was as good as Joe Louis just because he came first.

With that said, the pioneers of the sport have my utmost respect. They were the greatest in their time. They were truly the best fighters in the world. The thing is though, the best fighters in the world have gotten a lot lot lot better.

With that in mind, in no order.

Fedor Emelienanko
Georges St. Pierre
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Matt Hughes
Chuck Lidell
Dan Henderson
Antonio Nogueira
Rampage Jackson
Randy Couture.

[ufoalf]

Fedor Emelienanko
Georges St. Pierre
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Matt Hughes
Chuck Lidell
Frank Shamrock
Antonio Nogueira
Rampage Jackson
Randy Couture.

:good

[brandon9624]

What about Shogun? His reign of terror had some big name casualties.

[Grievesy]

I hear what your saying about Ruas, I wouldnt put a great argument up for having him on the list, I just felt he was possibly the 1st guy in MMA/NHB to be well rounded & showed that strikers could be successfull in the cage even tho he likely wouldnt have been succesfull without his grappling skills but you get my point, he was something dynamic & new in UFC 7 after the Grapplers had won the previous 6 tourneys... Royce (UFC 1,2 & 4), Jennum (UFC 3), Severn (UFC 5) & Taktarov (UFC 6.)
Ruas also trained guys like Pedro Rizzo & is a legend in vale tudo matches in Brazil & has his own fighting style `Ruas vale tudo.`
Like Rickson, he was kinda old when he came to America & spent his best yrs in Brazil tho.

:good

Fair enough. I mean there is no doubt that he was on of the pioneers in modern MMA with his Vale Tudo, and I think if he had come around at the right time (like say Rickson Gracie) he would have made a more visible impact on the sport.

Like I said before, I would replace him with Mark Coleman who achieved a huge amount. Two UFC tournaments, first UFC heavyweight champion and Pride GP 2000 champion. Not many have achieved more than that, as much as I dislike the guy.

[Bill Butcher]

Unfortunately, my list will make me seem as if I don't know much about the history of MMA. It isn't true, I just feel that it is important to acknowledge that the fighters of today ARE better fighters than the fighters of the earlier MMA era. It's just not true, in my opinion, to say Royce Gracie is a top fighter in MMA history just because he revolutionized the sport. No one pretends John Sullivan was as good as Joe Louis just because he came first.

With that said, the pioneers of the sport have my utmost respect. They were the greatest in their time. They were truly the best fighters in the world. The thing is though, the best fighters in the world have gotten a lot lot lot better.

With that in mind, in no order.

Fedor Emelienanko
Georges St. Pierre
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Matt Hughes
Chuck Lidell
Frank Shamrock
Antonio Nogueira
Rampage Jackson
Randy Couture.

Good list but Sakuraba & Wanderlei should be able to find a way on there, fuck it, Im gonna drop 5 & do a top 10 list later, I have to run now but I`ll be back soon.

:good

[ufoalf]

What about Shogun? His reign of terror had some big name casualties.

Shogun is like a Ferrari with an ounce of gasoline. Useless after 2 minutes.

[Bill Butcher]

Here is my (very hard to do) top 10.......

Fedor Emelianenko
Kazushi Sakuraba
Wanderlei Silva
Chuck Liddell
Randy Couture
Frank Shamrock
Matt Hughes
BJ Penn
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Anderson Silva


Ps. It was close between GSP & Anderson, GSP still has time to crack my top 10 but he could de-rail in his next fight & would be regarded as a nearly man as he is still young, lets see what happens.
Rickson Gracie should be there on grappling ability alone but I cant include him over guys that have fought elite fighters so his resume so to speak keeps him out tho he could likely beat most guys on my list (personal opinion.)

[codeman99998]

Good list with exception of Frank. He's really good but not top 15. Hendo >>>> Frank. I'd add Wandy there also.

After 15 seconds of deliberation I agree and put Hendo in over Frank.

[El Puma]

After 15 seconds of deliberation I agree and put Hendo in over Frank.Frank subbed Hendo. I know Dan improved but the result remains the same prime for prime. You really cant fault Frank for his comp as it was a little watered down with the exception of Sak.

[Serenata]

Whats with Don Frye? Pretty nasty in his time/prime. :)

[Tyga]

In no particular order:

Fedor Emelianenko
Frank Shamrock
Chuck Liddell
Georges St-Pierre
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Matt Hughes
Wanderlei Silva
Kazushi Sakuraba
Randy Couture
Anderson Silva

[ufoalf]

Frank subbed Hendo. I know Dan improved but the result remains the same prime for prime. You really cant fault Frank for his comp as it was a little watered down with the exception of Sak.
:blood
Did i miss something?

[Bill Butcher]

In no particular order:

Fedor Emelianenko
Frank Shamrock
Chuck Liddell
Georges St-Pierre
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Matt Hughes
Wanderlei Silva
Kazushi Sakuraba
Randy Couture
Anderson Silva

:good

Exact same list as me except I have Penn instead of GSP.

[El Puma]

:blood
Did i miss something?
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[Bill Butcher]

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Shamrock was better than Hendo, even tho this is only submission grappling, you still have to favour a prime Shamrock to beat Henderson.

Frank was 1 of the best ever, very complete, perhaps the best fighter to ever fight in UFC, certainly top 5.

[OuterDrake]

No exact order.... (only about 2 or 3 in the list are still in their prime, I tried to make a list of all guys past their best but some guys I couldnt leave out)

Fedor Emelianenko
Kazushi Sakuraba
Wanderlei Silva
Randy Couture
Chuck Liddell
Frank Shamrock
Matt Hughes
Rickson Gracie
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
BJ Penn
George St Pierre
Anderson Silva
Royce Gracie
Marco Ruas
Tito Ortiz

Guys with time left to crack the list or just missed out - Rampage Jackson, Muaricio `Shogun` Rua, Don Frye, Mark Coleman, Ken Shamrock, Pat Militech.

:thumbsup

:huh Where is Melvin"marvelous"Manhoef ?

AKA "The Man"

[MaliSlamusrex]

first of ll i would not put Frank Shamrock in my top 20.

it's impossible to make a comparison with fighter from differnet times in the sport. You can't say a prime Nogueira would beat prime Rikson Gracie, but without a prime Rikson Gracie Noguiera's fighting style or mma as we know it would not exist, Dan Henderson is a more coplete fighter than Shamrock but because Frank fought like 15 years ago if a fighter new BJJ or had crazy stand up skills he would win the fight 7/10 times.

Shamrock was better than Hendo, even tho this is only submission grappling, you still have to favour a prime Shamrock to beat Henderson.

Frank was 1 of the best ever, very complete, perhaps the best fighter to ever fight in UFC, certainly top 5.

[El Puma]

first of ll i would not put Frank Shamrock in my top 20.

it's impossible to make a comparison with fighter from differnet times in the sport. You can't say a prime Nogueira would beat prime Rikson Gracie, but without a prime Rikson Gracie Noguiera's fighting style or mma as we know it would not exist, Dan Henderson is a more coplete fighter than Shamrock but because Frank fought like 15 years ago if a fighter new BJJ or had crazy stand up skills he would win the fight 7/10 times.:huh Are you thinking of Ken Shamrock?

[El Puma]

Shamrock was better than Hendo, even tho this is only submission grappling, you still have to favour a prime Shamrock to beat Henderson.

Frank was 1 of the best ever, very complete, perhaps the best fighter to ever fight in UFC, certainly top 5.:good

[Bill Butcher]

first of ll i would not put Frank Shamrock in my top 20.

it's impossible to make a comparison with fighter from differnet times in the sport. You can't say a prime Nogueira would beat prime Rikson Gracie, but without a prime Rikson Gracie Noguiera's fighting style or mma as we know it would not exist, Dan Henderson is a more coplete fighter than Shamrock but because Frank fought like 15 years ago if a fighter new BJJ or had crazy stand up skills he would win the fight 7/10 times.

1. Big mistake to not have Frank in your top 20, the guy was really good at his peak.
2. I never said who would win between Nog & Rickson, 2 of my all time fav fighters, I put Nog in my top 10 because he faced better fighters from what Ive seen, Im 1 of the few that believe Rickson is not a myth, the man was a grappling genius, I just wish he came over to the US 10 yrs younger & hung around to fight (& beat) the best guys.
3. Henderson is nowhere near as complete as Frank Shamrock, Frank was a submission master, good wrestler & trained both boxing AND kickboxing where as most choose 1 or the other. He had no weaknesses, I doubt very seriously that Frank would get submitted by anyone under HWT, Dan got choked by Andy Silva, a fuckin 1 armed choke.

[AJAX]

:good

Exact same list as me except I have Penn instead of GSP.

that just shows how intelligent you are, have you ever seen GSP's resume?? he has avenged his only 2 loses brutally and beat "the greatest welterweight of all time" like a redheaded step child.:-(

[québecwarrior]

that just shows how intelligent you are, have you ever seen GSP's resume?? he has avenged his only 2 loses brutally and beat "the greatest welterweight of all time" like a redheaded step child.:-(
yep, it has no sense.
GSP did beat more top 10 fighter than Penn or even A.Silva. And if he talk about talent alone and not accomplishement, it's plain stupid. GSP is as talented or more talented than Penn.

[ufoalf]

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:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:patsch

Submission grappling match with BJJ practitioner vs a wrestler. Hmmm, who would win :nut

Henderson destroyes Frank prime for prime, without hesitation.

[doefler182]

no Bas Rutten love in this thread??

[Bill Butcher]

no Bas Rutten love in this thread??

Good call, Rutten was great, forgot about him. :good

[Bill Butcher]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:patsch

Submission grappling match with BJJ practitioner vs a wrestler. Hmmm, who would win :nut

Henderson destroyes Frank prime for prime, without hesitation.

Nah, Henderson was a very good fighter but Frank was special, Hendo was not, Frank would whoop Hendo`s ass.

[Bill Butcher]

that just shows how intelligent you are, have you ever seen GSP's resume?? he has avenged his only 2 loses brutally and beat "the greatest welterweight of all time" like a redheaded step child.:-(

Listen.....

I give GSP his due, he barely missed out my top 10 ALL FUCKIN TIME list & your freaking out ? :huh

I rank GSP currently no2 p4p after Fedor (please dont say who`s Fedor) but as you know, that shit can change fight by fight.

Penn is already the greatest LWT fighter in MMA history & has spent more yrs in the game fighting the elite, just because GSP - a bigger CHAMPION - beat him, doesnt mean he automatically edges him out.

Lets see who is more dominant in their own divisions & better still, lets see if GSP does as well IF he steps up to fight MWT champion Anderson Silva, its the same thing & dont even try & say it isnt, BJ is a natural 155 lber, GSP deserves full credit for doing what he did to a fighter like Penn... but lets not get carried away & stop sucking the cock of GSP, he still has a bit to do.
If he retired now, he IS NOT top 10 all time, thats the truth.

:thumbsup

[ufoalf]

Nah, Henderson was a very good fighter but Frank was special, Hendo was not, Frank would whoop Hendo`s ass.

Yea, ok. Because Frank achieved so much more than Hendo and beat such better competition...
This isn't even an argument. Hendo has been a much more accomplished fighter.

[HomicideHenry]

I think it was Rickson Gracie who claimed to be 400-0 in underground brawls. I find it to be bullshit, wheres the proof? Outside of him, that list is fine.

[codeman99998]

Listen.....

I give GSP his due, he barely missed out my top 10 ALL FUCKIN TIME list & your freaking out ? :huh

I rank GSP currently no2 p4p after Fedor (please dont say who`s Fedor) but as you know, that shit can change fight by fight.

Penn is already the greatest LWT fighter in MMA history & has spent more yrs in the game fighting the elite, just because GSP - a bigger CHAMPION - beat him, doesnt mean he automatically edges him out.

Lets see who is more dominant in their own divisions & better still, lets see if GSP does as well IF he steps up to fight MWT champion Anderson Silva, its the same thing & dont even try & say it isnt, BJ is a natural 155 lber, GSP deserves full credit for doing what he did to a fighter like Penn... but lets not get carried away & stop sucking the cock of GSP, he still has a bit to do.
If he retired now, he IS NOT top 10 all time, thats the truth.

:thumbsup

ALL fucking time? Probably every fighter anyone mentions fought in the last 25 years.

[MaliSlamusrex]

I don't know if he beat 400-0 but he beat everyone he ever fought in Rio legends and Vale tudo, if somone would have beated him you would have knon. when Rikson fought no one could beat him because of his awsome bbj style that at the time was pretty much a secret. but now everyone knows it and Rikson would find it much more difficult to compete because everyone else has a more complete style.

I think it was Rickson Gracie who claimed to be 400-0 in underground brawls. I find it to be bullshit, wheres the proof? Outside of him, that list is fine.

[socrates]

fedor
hughes
couture
gsp
royce
sakuraba
wandy
lidell
silva
coleman
henderson
lindland
horn
noguera
crocop

[MMAFIGHTER1]

Bas....hello?

[Polymath]

Nah, Henderson was a very good fighter but Frank was special, Hendo was not, Frank would whoop Hendo`s ass.

Wrong.

[MMAFIGHTER1]

no Bas Rutten love in this thread??
Well atleast someone was thinking! Bas is the man!

[Polymath]

fedor
hughes
couture
gsp
royce
sakuraba
wandy
lidell
silva
coleman
henderson
lindland
horn
noguera
crocop

Jeremy Horn? :lol:

Good list though :good

[MMAFIGHTER1]

I don't know if he beat 400-0 but he beat everyone he ever fought in Rio legends and Vale tudo, if somone would have beated him you would have knon. when Rikson fought no one could beat him because of his awsome bbj style that at the time was pretty much a secret. but now everyone knows it and Rikson would find it much more difficult to compete because everyone else has a more complete style.
That was said 2 be a complied list of all his training and sparring sessions included.

"Hélio Gracie ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) disputes Rickson's claim to have had over 400 fights. According to Hélio, Rickson has only competed in fights that are commonly known and reported: the two against Rei Zulu ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and those that took place in Japan. Hélio alleges that Rickson uses practice and amateur bouts to obtain a number over 400, and that if he counted his fights like Rickson does, he would have in excess of one million"

Rickson has at least one loss — from the 1993 U.S. Sambo ([Only registered and activated users can see links](martial_art)) Championships in Norman, Oklahoma, where he was defeated by American Ron Tripp ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) by Total Victory via uchi-mata ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in 45 seconds. Rickson disputed this loss, claiming he was misinformed of the rules of the even

[Grievesy]

Bas....hello?

Fuck me! I can't believe I forgot Basito! That's criminal!:patsch

[El Puma]

Fuck me! I can't believe I forgot Basito! That's criminal!:patsch:nono It's "El Guapo":smoke

[Bill Butcher]

fedor
hughes
couture
gsp
royce
sakuraba
wandy
lidell
silva
coleman
henderson
lindland
horn
noguera
crocop

Horn was knee-barred by Frank Shamrock in 1998 or 99 so Frank can take his place & no list should have Royce & not Rickson who is superior at both BJJ & real fights.

[Bill Butcher]

I think it was Rickson Gracie who claimed to be 400-0 in underground brawls. I find it to be bullshit, wheres the proof? Outside of him, that list is fine.

No, its 400 fights including street fights, nhb/mma tournaments & single fights, BJJ matches, wrestling matches, judo matches, sambo matches.

Rickson used to enter all those different style tourneys following their rules & still win because of the greatness of his BJJ/grappling.

Thats why he is so much better than the other Gracie`s, he was a great wrestler too & hard to out-wrestle where as the other Gracie`s are happy to work from their back, Rickson always tried hard for top position.

He also said.... no matter how much you believe in your own art (BJJ), never underestimate the strengths of the other arts, they are all dangerous. Thats why he tested himself & found out about wrestling, judo, sambo etc, so he could learn their style.

[québecwarrior]

Rickson Gracie is a deluded person It's easy to say that Fedor has plenty of holes in his game and that he could beat him. Yeah, right fool.

[Bill Butcher]

Rickson Gracie is a deluded person It's easy to say that Fedor has plenty of holes in his game and that he could beat him. Yeah, right fool.

Did Rickson say he could beat Fedor ?

[québecwarrior]

Did Rickson say he could beat Fedor ?
Yep easily because he has a so-so technical ability and that he know he could beat him, even today.
He is a prick, he was saying too that he would beat easily the best competition because of their ability:patsch:patsch:patsch

Fedor would stop him even if Rickson is 20,30,40 or 50 years old.

[The Mighty One]

What about Kimbo Slice?

[The Phenom]

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Georges St Pierre
3 Randy Couture
4 Royce Gracie
5 Anderson Silva
6 Chuck Liddell
7 Matt Hughes
8 Wanderlei Silva
9 Rickson Gracie
10 Bj Penn
11 Kazushi Sakuraba
12 Frank Shamrock
13 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
14 Ken Shamrock
15 Dan Henderson

[MaliSlamusrex]

hmm Ken Shamrock.

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Georges St Pierre
3 Randy Couture
4 Royce Gracie
5 Anderson Silva
6 Chuck Liddell
7 Matt Hughes
8 Wanderlei Silva
9 Rickson Gracie
10 Bj Penn
11 Kazushi Sakuraba
12 Frank Shamrock
13 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
14 Ken Shamrock
15 Dan Henderson

[québecwarrior]

I'll put Rampage Jackson over Ken Shamrock any day of the week.

Rampage, if he go and beat Jardine, Evans, Machida and another great contender, he could end up as the GOAT of 205.

[Bill Butcher]

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Georges St Pierre
3 Randy Couture
4 Royce Gracie
5 Anderson Silva
6 Chuck Liddell
7 Matt Hughes
8 Wanderlei Silva
9 Rickson Gracie
10 Bj Penn
11 Kazushi Sakuraba
12 Frank Shamrock
13 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
14 Ken Shamrock
15 Dan Henderson

GSP is too high AT THE MOMENT in an all time list.
Rickson is higher than Royce in both MMA & BJJ.
Sakuraba & Wanderlei should be higher up.

[Bill Butcher]

I'll put Rampage Jackson over Ken Shamrock any day of the week.

Rampage, if he go and beat Jardine, Evans, Machida and another great contender, he could end up as the GOAT of 205.

Agreed, especially if that other great contender is a revenge win over Shogun.

:good

[Spunik]

Rampage would beat Fedor and Brock.

Clearly he would have iced Couture as well.

[Serenata]

Rampage would beat Fedor...

On your X-Box perhaps but not in real life :D

[El Puma]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:patsch

Submission grappling match with BJJ practitioner vs a wrestler. Hmmm, who would win :nut

Henderson destroyes Frank prime for prime, without hesitation.


A couple of truths regarding my post.


1. I was never aware until I clicked on the video that it was a submission only match and I KNEW you were going to kick my ass for that one:D I only saw the highlights of it before.

2. I am a hugely biased Frank Shamrock fan and will believe until the day I die that Frank in his prime could take Hendo. You may be right and you can make a afairly good argument for Hendo winning, as I am a knowledgeble MMA fan following the sport since 1997 but my bias is huge on this one.


Frank was a shootfighting submission expert and not a BJJ practitioner btw;)



:thumbsup

[Beebs]

GSP is too high AT THE MOMENT in an all time list.
Rickson is higher than Royce in both MMA & BJJ.
Sakuraba & Wanderlei should be higher up.

Rickson had a non existant MMA career beating up pro wrestlers. Royce beat the #1 pre UFC fighter, the best wrestler in MMA, and actually had the nuts to take tough fights.

[Spunik]

Rampage is beginning his climb to at least # 2 pound for pound fighter this weekend...

[El Puma]

Rampage is beginning his climb to at least # 2 pound for pound fighter this weekend...:shock:By beating Keth Jardine???!!!:bart

[Ubersteve]

How do none of these lists have Kid Yam on them?

[Bill Butcher]

Rickson had a non existant MMA career beating up pro wrestlers. Royce beat the #1 pre UFC fighter, the best wrestler in MMA, and actually had the nuts to take tough fights.

If your talking about just their MMA records then you are probably right but if your talking about everything including talent then Rickson completely blows Royce away.

Rickson is way above Royce in both BJJ & real fights, all the Gracie`s know who their daddy is & everyone in Brazil, Gracie or not, knows who the BJJ king is..... Rickson.

[rekcutnevets]

Fedor Emelianenko
Anderson Silva
Georges St. Pierre
BJ Penn
Frank Shamrock
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Sakuraba
Matt Hughes
Dan Henderson
Randy Couture

This is how I am feeling today. Rickson and Royce rank much higher in my real fighting rankings, but this is how fighters of today's mma rules stack up in my opinion.

Renzo Gracie, Mark Coleman, Rampage, Shogun, Wanderlei, among others, are all in consideration for the last few spots.

Frank Shamrock and Kazushi Sakuraba are two of the first real mixed martial artists, in that they were competent in all areas of combat.

Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, and GSP so high on the list? Who would you confidently pick against them, in their respective weight classes, under today's mma rules?

[Spunik]

:shock:By beating Keth Jardine???!!!:bart


beginning to get PFP status.... step in the right direction....he'll end up there...