"Tommy Burns vs. Dwight M. Qawi"

[MRBILL]

Folks,

Last night I was reviewing the rough film footage of "Burns-Johnson" from 1908 down in Sydney, Aus.... Jack Johnson looked huge in beating the piss outta the 5' 7" stocky build Tommy Burns... The police finally invaded the ring and halted the bout and stopped the filming in the 14th round---Jack Johnson was Champ....

Now, Ol' Tommy Burns was short but very heavily muscled at 5' 7" tall and roughly 178 to 183 pounds... To me, Burns looked more like a wrestler than a boxer....

Tommy Burns is not regarded as a great former heavyweight champion, however, he was a damn good fighter in his own right.... Tommy Burns had strength and skills in his arsenal.....

Question: How do you all feel that a guy like Tommy Burns would do against a modern fighter of limited size but powerful, as well as skilled like Dwight M. Qawi, in a time machine??? Will put the Heavyweight champion Tommy Burns of 1907 against the Cruiserweight champion Dwight M. Qawi of 1985 / '86.... Who wins???

MR.BILL:bbb

[MRBILL]

Apparently nobody gives a damn........

MR.BILL

[GPater11093]

i would like to hear the answer but i dont really know enough off dwight to give an accurate description

[mr. magoo]

Apparently nobody gives a damn........

MR.BILL


That's right MR.BILL they don't......

MR.MAGOO

[MRBILL]

Qawi material is EASY to obtain......... Its the Burns stuff that's hard to get a hold of... Still... Size and style wise, I think "Qawi-Burns" is interesting....... Not really sure who'd win....... I love Qawi, but Burns was a tough cookie......

MR.BILL

[TonyT]

MRBILL, Burns fought well at different weights. I'm a firm Believer the old skool warriors are better..yet something tells me Qawl would be great in any era.. if I had to bet and I don't bet..I wood bet on Qawi. DRMULLEN

[MRBILL]

10-4

[mcvey]

Folks,

Last night I was reviewing the rough film footage of "Burns-Johnson" from 1908 down in Sydney, Aus.... Jack Johnson looked huge in beating the piss outta the 5' 7" stocky build Tommy Burns... The police finally invaded the ring and halted the bout and stopped the filming in the 14th round---Jack Johnson was Champ....

Now, Ol' Tommy Burns was short but very heavily muscled at 5' 7" tall and roughly 178 to 183 pounds... To me, Burns looked more like a wrestler than a boxer....

Tommy Burns is not regarded as a great former heavyweight champion, however, he was a damn good fighter in his own right.... Tommy Burns had strength and skills in his arsenal.....

Question: How do you all feel that a guy like Tommy Burns would do against a modern fighter of limited size but powerful, as well as skilled like Dwight M. Qawi, in a time machine??? Will put the Heavyweight champion Tommy Burns of 1907 against the Cruiserweight champion Dwight M. Qawi of 1985 / '86.... Who wins???

MR.BILL:bbb
Burns had the mobility too trouble Qawi and was a fine infighter in his own right,Tommy glided in and out looking to plant his right hand on the chops,he took a good shot too.Burns can be seen against Squires landing the ko and in two fights in London ,one when he was making a come back . I think I might go for Tommy .
Qawi looked sensational againt Saad ,but I think Saad was on the down side and the result slightly flatters Qawi,imo.

[janitor]

I think that Burns would flatten virtualy anybody his own size who tried to go toe to toe with him.

Against 200 lb heavyweights Burns was a dangerous puncher andainst sombody his own size he was the terminator.

[he grant]

Interesting match up of two tough guys ... Burns had heavyweight power and that might prove effective against Qwai who rarely showed trememdous heart .... still Qwai was a decent but not great puncher but had a pretty good chin ... I like Qwai on volume but who knows ?

[Quickhands21]

Interesting match up of two tough guys ... Burns had heavyweight power and that might prove effective against Qwai who rarely showed trememdous heart .... still Qwai was a decent but not great puncher but had a pretty good chin ... I like Qwai on volume but who knows ?

Qawi rarely showed heart? Fisrt time hearing that

[abraq]

A difficult one. Burns was the best HW in the transition period between Jeffries and Johnson in spite of his lack of size.

Qawi gave great fighters like Michael Spinks and Evander Holyfield really tough battles. Not to speak of going up to the middle rounds with none other than George Foreman himself. And everyone knows that Foreman was absolute murder for short guys who liked coming in.

Qawi had a great jaw and a tremendous heart (!). And he was a constant comer, like Frazier. Forced to make a choice, I pick Qawi to win by a decision.

[MRBILL]

I too, believe Dwight M. Qawi had plenty of heart and a good chin..... I just reviewed his rematch with Holy from 1987 last night..... Holy was so much more seasoned by late '87, compared to his greeness in mid-'86.... Holy tagged Qawi with some wicked shot in round 4.... The last shot being a perfectly timed counter right to Qawi's jaw.... Qawi went down like he was shot by a .44 magnum..... No shame there.....

YES! Qawi looked heavy at 222 pounds for the lean 235 pound George Foreman in 1988, but Qawi still came to fight.... Qawi was overmatched and outgunned, but he took his lumps before quitting in round 7....

Qawi had heart and a chin....

MR.BILL

[Sweet Pea]

i would like to hear the answer but i dont really know enough off dwight to give an accurate description

But you've seen enough of Burns?

[MRBILL]

But you've seen enough of Burns?

Yeah, I thought that was bizarre myself....:bbb

MR.BILL:D

[leverage]

Qawi eats burns for lunch, toying with him before knocking him out. Qawi was one of the greatest short fighters I have ever seen, mixing excellent defensive skills and agression with great conterpunching skills. He was like a locomotive train that gradually picked up speed (much like joe frazier but technically much better). Burns would have no answer for this because the fighters he faced wer primative in their skills and didn't punch in combination. No contest at all, and I'm not a racist.

[MRBILL]

Qawi eats burns for lunch, toying with him before knocking him out. Qawi was one of the greatest short fighters I have ever seen, mixing excellent defensive skills and agression with great conterpunching skills. He was like a locomotive train that gradually picked up speed (much like joe frazier but technically much better). Burns would have no answer for this because the fighters he faced wer primative in their skills and didn't punch in combination. No contest at all, and I'm not a racist.

I gotta at least respect that notion / thought.......:D

MR.BILL

[janitor]

Burns would have no answer for this because the fighters he faced wer primative in their skills and didn't punch in combination. No contest at all, and I'm not a racist.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and actualy study some footage of Burns and the oponents he faced.

Of course they punched in combination.

[GPater11093]

But you've seen enough of Burns?


i have saw the burns fights on Youtube and read alot of fight reports but i have only saw a few rounds with qawi in them so i know more about burns

but that was stupid of me i dont really know enoguh about any of them

[MRBILL]

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and actualy study some footage of Burns and the oponents he faced.

Of course they punched in combination.

Janitor,

I also have been guilty of claiming old time fighters lacked combination punching technique / ability........ NOT ALL!! However, a lot of old timers' did merely throw one or two shots and then hold or regroup...... But from what I saw on my tape of the "Johnson-Burns" fight from 1908, both guys were throwing combination punches against each other.... In fact, since Johnson was so much bigger and stronger, he did a lot of holding, grabbing & shoving against the smaller but stocky Burns..... Cheers.....

MR.BILL:D

[janitor]

Janitor,

I also have been guilty of claiming old time fighters lacked combination punching technique / ability........ NOT ALL!! However, a lot of old timers' did merely throw one or two shots and then hold or regroup...... But from what I saw on my tape of the "Johnson-Burns" fight from 1908, both guys were throwing combination punches against each other.... In fact, since Johnson was so much bigger and stronger, he did a lot of holding, grabbing & shoving against the smaller but stocky Burns..... Cheers.....

MR.BILL:D

Many fighters of that era as you say are obviously from another era.

Burns is one who would not look out of place in the 40s.

[djanders]

I would bet on Burns. I like Qawi, but I think Burns would beat him by decision or late round stoppage. I think it would be a great fight to watch!

[MRBILL]

Tommy Burns was about 180 pounds when he was hammered by Johnson back in '08... But Burns looked solid......... I'm sure Burns could've made 175 at that time, but what about 168? I know Super-Middle was not in existance back then.... Just a thought.... Burns had muscle with no flab...... He looked like a wrestler.....

MR.BILL

[mcvey]

Tommy Burns was about 180 pounds when he was hammered by Johnson back in '08... But Burns looked solid......... I'm sure Burns could've made 175 at that time, but what about 168? I know Super-Middle was not in existance back then.... Just a thought.... Burns had muscle with no flab...... He looked like a wrestler.....

MR.BILL
Burns was inside the LH limit when he successfully defended his heavyweight title against reigning LH Champ O Brien ,so he could have claimed that crown as well.

[MRBILL]

I'm curious as to how great a LT. Heavy Champ Burns MIGHT have been had he stayed down at 175 pounds.?.? How would've Burns done with post dudes like "Charles & Patterson?"

MR.BILL