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IrnBruMan
08-19-2007, 04:08 AM
:lol:
I'm not a political creature, but this strip club thing will sink him.
Even his excuse of being too drunk to remember what happened sucks :yep
He's GOOOOOOOOOONE
PorkChopExpress
08-19-2007, 04:32 AM
I wouldnt want someone who hasn't had the experience of getting hammered, making mistakes, being a human being for a while running my country anyways. Anyone who changes their vote because of something like this should probably lose their right to =P
CarltonBlues
08-19-2007, 04:37 AM
Could you imagine little Johnny at a strip club?
young griffo
08-19-2007, 04:56 AM
Nah Rudds got most of the media on his side and it'll be spun to show how human and fallible like the rest of us he is,and that he's now an even better bloke.
Even though he's a hypocrite who's been portraying himself as a devoted,religious family man ever since he was elected opposition leader when in actual fact he's a drunken fanny rat with a selective memory.
Rudd just got my vote :good:happy
IrnBruMan
08-19-2007, 04:58 AM
I wouldnt want someone who hasn't had the experience of getting hammered, making mistakes, being a human being for a while running my country anyways. Anyone who changes their vote because of something like this should probably lose their right to =P
Oh, I agree 100%, but it's still not going to help him any
ashley
08-19-2007, 05:00 AM
The best thing Howard had going was low interest rates......I guess he is f..... now.
IrnBruMan
08-19-2007, 05:04 AM
The thing is, Rudd doesn't have the personality to get away with this sort of thing, like Bill Clinton or even Bob Hawke would.
People will be happy to condemn him over this, because, instead of coming across as a red-blooded Aussie male, he comes across as a creepy little deviant, especially in light of his excuse of being too drunk to recall the incident.
ashley
08-19-2007, 05:10 AM
The thing is, Rudd doesn't have the personality to get away with this sort of thing, like Bill Clinton or even Bob Hawke would.
People will be happy to condemn him over this, because, instead of coming across as a red-blooded Aussie male, he comes across as a creepy little deviant, especially in light of his excuse of being too drunk to recall the incident.
Good call mate...Bob Hawke was a slut....he slept with my mates wife....but a least he does seem a bit more Aussie than deviate.
Robot16
08-19-2007, 05:30 AM
What did he do?
ashley
08-19-2007, 05:38 AM
What did he do?
What do you mean?......what did he do?
If you are asking what did my mate do...well he left his wife...at the time he was the executive producer of channel 9 current affair and she was the presenter.
He is half way through a book about it now...not just the affair but the whole channel 9 thing...very interesting story
pecks
08-19-2007, 05:41 AM
He isn't fucked, this smear campaign hasn't worked out as well as everyone though it would. Not many people actually cared that he did it a few years ago.
they tried a similar stunt with Latham when they brought up how he attacked a cab driver once, and if I remember correctly, that didn't harm his cause much, though he did sink his own shit later on.
However, I do think the election will be closer than I originally thought. After doing a bit of research regarding polls, etc, they're often very inconclusive of how the election will turn out.
Labor still has to win over many seats, and that will be a hard task.
IrnBruMan
08-19-2007, 06:23 AM
What do you mean?......what did he do?
If you are asking what did my mate do...well he left his wife...at the time he was the executive producer of channel 9 current affair and she was the presenter.
He is half way through a book about it now...not just the affair but the whole channel 9 thing...very interesting story
Liz Hayes? :think
Thriller
08-19-2007, 06:26 AM
it was 4 years ago.
ashley
08-19-2007, 06:44 AM
it was 4 years ago.
Try about 20 years ago...my mate is old enough to be my dad
westside
08-19-2007, 08:47 AM
funny thing is all the people calling him a 'hypocrite' who probably spend half their life in strip clubs & treating women like objects themselves.
shanemfr
08-19-2007, 09:27 AM
Wow he went to a strip clib he has my vote, amazing how the media is making it a big thing, he likes tits and ass way to go.
I wouldnt want someone who hasn't had the experience of getting hammered, making mistakes, being a human being for a while running my country anyways. Anyone who changes their vote because of something like this should probably lose their right to =P
Hmmm, is the middle age the time to be making those mistakes or should you have done all that while young and stupid????
If it was a bucks night it may have been a valid excuse, but to do it while on an international business trip for the hell of it is a different thing.
Dont get me wrong - I have nothing against the fact that he appreciates a good set of mammories but to say it was a "stupid mistake" at his age (a married man mind you) is a different story...
Peterp
08-19-2007, 10:24 PM
i actually think it will do Rudd no harm and might even help him
Good old Aussie boy, one of the lads, likes a beer and a bit of skirt
Much easier to identify for the run of the mill working class aussie bloke than stuffy stuck up white collar Howard
Barge FTA
08-19-2007, 10:28 PM
Is Rudd boxing now? i didn't know....
Marcus
08-19-2007, 10:29 PM
Is Rudd boxing now? i didn't know....
Ha ha ha , come on Barge, who will you vote for? Hanson?? :rofl :rofl
Barge FTA
08-19-2007, 10:32 PM
you're not getting a response out of me Marcus, that would mean i would talk about another topic. If you want to talk about Sydney Super Middleweight Peter Rudd, i am all ears :)
Marcus
08-19-2007, 10:35 PM
you're not getting a response out of me Marcus, that would mean i would talk about another topic. If you want to talk about Sydney Super Middleweight Peter Rudd, i am all ears :)
Just trying to get you to speak about non-boxing :yep
I would Barge, but i dont know who he is sorry. I read the thread and see if i can post on it.
Dr Gonzo
08-19-2007, 10:56 PM
whats next? "Shocking Revelations: Rudd gets rub and tug at local Japanese Massage Parlour"
haha
whats next? "Shocking Revelations: Rudd gets rub and tug at local Japanese Massage Parlour"
hahaThe more Rudd is talked about the more he is starting to sound like Pecks to me, seedy lil deviant
Dr Gonzo
08-19-2007, 11:09 PM
The more Rudd is talked about the more he is starting to sound like Pecks to me, seedy lil deviant
:lol::lol::lol:
To the average bloke in the street this sort of behaviour is seen as normal, but as for an aspiring PM it's not.
I like the bit how he said he was too drunk remembering where he was and how he got there, but when asked about touching one of the strippers he goes "that did not happen" hang on! i thought he was too drunk to remember anything.
Anyway aside from all that, if Labour get in we are fuxcked.
Barge FTA
08-20-2007, 12:32 AM
Peter Rudd has a big fight coming up against Clinton Johnson. any predictions?
Marcus
08-20-2007, 12:46 AM
Peter Rudd has a big fight coming up against Clinton Johnson. any predictions?
Im goin for Johnson by KO, but i wont be goin to watch it, but i know you must be hey Barge?
Not sure if you guys have seen it but I love how the media is totally jumping the gun after the last interest rate rise.
Ive see a poll conducted by NineMSN that goes "Do you think Australia is heading towards another recession?"
Talk about jumping the gun.
You know what the alarming part was - 59% of participants thought we were. Just goes to show how much pulling power the media has over the Australian public.
We are very far off from going into recession. Even if Labour regained power the economy will remain reasonably healthy albeit not as healthy as with the Libs but healthy enough to avoid a recession in any case.
Barge FTA
08-20-2007, 01:00 AM
Im goin for Johnson by KO, but i wont be goin to watch it, but i know you must be hey Barge?
I'm not a big fan of Johnson, so I am going for Rudd to win by TKO. I think the WBF regional title is on the line.
Dr Gonzo
08-20-2007, 01:03 AM
I'm not a big fan of Johnson, so I am going for Rudd to win by TKO. I think the WBF regional title is on the line.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:lol::lol::lol:
BoppaZoo
08-20-2007, 03:00 AM
all i have to say about all this is
John Howard and the Liberals will do anything to win and i MEAN ANYTHING TO WIN THE ELECTION.
They always try smear peoples names to win. Rudd asks questions to Howard about actual politics and things the Australian people want answers for and Howard dodges them like PBF in the Ring.
The Howard government will ruins peoples careers,make any excuse,tell lies (example we still havnt got an answer from Howard about his government selling Wheat to Saddam) what else they do is the spend your hard earned money just before the election to save there ass everytime instead of cutting fuel prices or interest rates.
NO HOWARD LOST ME ALONG TIME AGO AND MANY MIGHT ASK WHY. BECAUSE UNDER HIS GOVERNMENT SURE IF YOU ARE A PERSON THAT EARNS OVER $200,000 a year you are loving it but if you are like the rest of us and between both spouses working only bring home around $90,000 between you under HOwards government you suffer.
Howards way is the rich get richer and the poor get well Poorer.
So What Kevin Rudd went to strip Club Johnnie Howard that just makes him more connected to the average Aussie than Howard is.
i hope Rudd wins in a land slide im sick of Howards tactics.
:lol: :lol:
Some people need to inform themselves better on the underlying policies instead of listening to unions.
lol
Kegsy
08-20-2007, 03:21 AM
Go The Unions:happy :happy :yep :yep
Thriller
08-20-2007, 03:40 AM
johnson will Ko Peter rudd easily IMO
pecks
08-20-2007, 04:14 AM
Although Rudd isn't my dream PM, he's a fair bit ahead of Howard at this time. I still think he will get in, but winning all those seats will be a tough ask. Still, like Chris Anderson as a coach, a lot of people have become tired of Howard's leadership, and feel he is no longer fit to lead, and make the changes necessary to benefit this country into the next term.
Tbh though, Howard is just such a shifty cunt the other guy would have to turn into a crab person on live TV to look worse than him.
Robot16
08-20-2007, 05:25 AM
The chick on today tonight, tried to tear Rudd a new one.
"So you are not a piss pot", "How often do u blackout?"
EelsRule
08-20-2007, 05:32 AM
I new Rudd would win when Muttley wrote him off and handed victory to Howard. Seriously, how many time has Muttley felt anything with conviction and turned out to be right?
We could take a poll on here real simple. Anyone here who was going to vote for Rudd now not going to?????????????
Not me, I say it will be good to have a PM with a pulse.
Howard is going to lose badly, I am talking Gatti v PBF badly.
He isnt even going to regain his seat.
ozziebattler
08-20-2007, 05:49 AM
No offence fellas but FUCK POLITICS..
I have never voted and will never do so..
Being from housing commission west sydney it is really irrelevent as to who is running the show in oz..
The rich get richer and the poor either stay poor or get broke ass poor.
BoppaZoo
08-20-2007, 08:26 AM
No offence fellas but FUCK POLITICS..
I have never voted and will never do so..
Being from housing commission west sydney it is really irrelevent as to who is running the show in oz..
The rich get richer and the poor either stay poor or get broke ass poor.spot on.
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ozziebattler
08-20-2007, 09:42 AM
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Shit for a minute i thought that was me as a little kid..
Thanks Prime minister's of the past and present.
If all you people think Rudd is over the line then put ur money on him and make a quid and stop whinging.
I actually hope (not really) Rudd and Labour win so everybody will see how fuxcked we will be (the country) in another 12-18 months time.
pecks
08-20-2007, 11:46 PM
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I don't get it.
A pencil neck spilling his milk + a dude watching tv on a sweet lounge, somehow = A gay interracial couple with an adopted kid and some freaky guy on a shit bed. :huh
I don't get it.
A pencil neck spilling his milk + a dude watching tv on a sweet lounge, somehow = A gay interracial couple with an adopted kid and some freaky guy on a shit bed. :huhHmmm was just showing you the life he leads
I don't get it.
A pencil neck spilling his milk + a dude watching tv on a sweet lounge, somehow = A gay interracial couple with an adopted kid and some freaky guy on a shit bed. :huh
:lol::lol:
EelsRule
08-21-2007, 03:53 AM
If John was accused of this same thing he would still be denying it was him. He would probably be saying it was one of his assistants, and he knows nothing about it.
Kel, this country will be tops if Labour get in. I guess you beleive interests rates will go straight up to 18% (as they were with Howard as treasurer) and unemployment will skyrocket. Is that correct.
OZ Puncher
08-21-2007, 06:22 AM
Yeh some people need to let things go. That was a fuck up yes, but i think this time labour will have learnt from its mistakes and put the rich and poor on an even plane. Treated fairly.
One thing i cannot stand is the politicians electing themselves payrises. You know in the last 4 years Aussie citizens were given a payrise of 3% all up! Howard and his miscreants have given themselves a 39% payrise in the last 4 years... Not bad ay considering they run this country like a game of the sims.
One thing i cannot stand is the politicians electing themselves payrises. You know in the last 4 years Aussie citizens were given a payrise of 3% all up! Howard and his miscreants have given themselves a 39% payrise in the last 4 years... Not bad ay considering they run this country like a game of the sims.
That is one thing Im definitely in agreeance with...
Shits me to tears!
Yeh some people need to let things go. That was a fuck up yes, but i think this time labour will have learnt from its mistakes and put the rich and poor on an even plane. Treated fairly.
One thing i cannot stand is the politicians electing themselves payrises. You know in the last 4 years Aussie citizens were given a payrise of 3% all up! Howard and his miscreants have given themselves a 39% payrise in the last 4 years... Not bad ay considering they run this country like a game of the sims.
The leader of the country is paid well below top exeutives in the coporate world.
I think you wld all agree on that
Unemployment will rise slightly if Workchoices are thrown out....no doubt..... and interest rates may not get to 18% again but be sure we won't see them go down under a labour government
The leader of the country is paid well below top exeutives in the coporate world.
Dont forget this is a Democratic government, under a monarchy. Which means howard is our Representative if you like. He doesnt reign/rule/own the country so in the end its just another Job with a lot of responsibilites.
Dont forget this is a Democratic government, under a monarchy. Which means howard is our Representative if you like. He doesnt reign/rule/own the country so in the end its just another Job with a lot of responsibilites.
It's hardly just another job with a lot of responsibilities mate :-(
OZ Puncher
08-26-2007, 08:58 PM
WEll technically it is. John Howard was on $350,000 before they elected all those pay rises now hes on well over $500,000.
Its a job with a lot of importanat responsibilities.
EelsRule
08-27-2007, 03:59 AM
Its also the additionals that piss people off. Free travel, accomodation, pensions the like of which war heroes would dream of. Politicians suck.
JustinD
08-27-2007, 06:44 PM
If all you people think Rudd is over the line then put ur money on him and make a quid and stop whinging.
I actually hope (not really) Rudd and Labour win so everybody will see how fuxcked we will be (the country) in another 12-18 months time.
It will be alot less fucked than it is right now.
Dekkers
08-27-2007, 08:24 PM
Don't think it'll matter who you vote for, economies overdue for a fucking (recession).
Don't think it'll matter who you vote for, economies overdue for a fucking (recession).
Why do you say that? Do you think inflation is going to become uncontrolable again?
Dekkers
08-27-2007, 09:38 PM
Why do you say that? Do you think inflation is going to become uncontrolable again?
Economic growth and recession is cyclical, once global markets slow we inevitably slow as well, we're (and any Government obviously) absoloutely powerless to stop it. Economists have been predicting recession for several years now, and with hiccups showing up in the U.S housing markets and other areas it just looks like that point in the cycle is on the horizon.
With that in mind, lower interest rates are likely to come anyway, as the reserve will always drop rates as the economy starts to slow. Then Rudd/Howard will probably take credit for low interest rates :lol:
stiflers mum
08-28-2007, 01:13 AM
re;thread title rudd is fucked.hes actually increasing his lead each day:lol:
Economic growth and recession is cyclical, once global markets slow we inevitably slow as well, we're (and any Government obviously) absoloutely powerless to stop it. Economists have been predicting recession for several years now, and with hiccups showing up in the U.S housing markets and other areas it just looks like that point in the cycle is on the horizon.
With that in mind, lower interest rates are likely to come anyway, as the reserve will always drop rates as the economy starts to slow. Then Rudd/Howard will probably take credit for low interest rates :lol:
I'm in debt up to my eyeballs currently so I am all for recession lol... How much do you know about economics? I am interested in learning to a basic level. I understand some basic concepts from working within banking, but only what I really need to. Would be interested to learn more.
Dekkers
08-28-2007, 03:09 AM
I'm in debt up to my eyeballs currently so I am all for recession lol... How much do you know about economics? I am interested in learning to a basic level. I understand some basic concepts from working within banking, but only what I really need to. Would be interested to learn more.
It's not really a lot, I know a bit about a lot of things, I tend to retain a lot of info (probably all the times I watched the news hour with Jim Lehrer as a kid, Spellbinder sucked arse), just ask Oztriker about my memory :D
That said recession may drop interest rates but it'll also generate unemployment, and put downward pressure on wages, AWA's are currently great because the economy is hunky dory, but they've got a downside and you'll see it when there's downward pressure on wages with more people competing for the same positions. Whether or not it's good for you depends on what you do for a crust, i,e, job security, how strong your position is on the negotiating table (if there are plans for you to go on an AWA), own a business (well recession is generally bad in this case, less people employed and often less money to spend)?
EelsRule
08-28-2007, 04:06 AM
Thats exactly right Dekkers and exactly why Howard needs outing. Howards logic is completely nieve especially for someone who ran such a terrible economy as treasurer. The new workplace laws are acceptable provided the economy stays strong. Problem is the economy is as you say cyclic. It is inevitable that the economic cycle will go down. And when unemplyment is high, those workplace relations laws will be disasterous for workers. Howard was given enough rope to hang himself, he got drunk on power, he is over.
Dekkers
08-28-2007, 06:47 AM
In fairness though, there is a rationale behind what Howards' doing whether or not people agree with it (trying to make Australias' labour force more competitive with asias' long term, as well as taking pressure of business during the downturn so they'll be there to employ during the upturn).
The ethics of that and whether or not there's any other way, is a whole other can of worms though.
pecks
08-28-2007, 06:54 AM
I think we should form a close alliance with the Japanese.
Dekkers
08-28-2007, 07:03 AM
I think we should form a close alliance with the Japanese.
The Government, or the Geishas and table top dancers :think
pecks
08-28-2007, 07:04 AM
The Government, or the Geishas and table top dancers :thinkNo men allowed! :p
Dekkers
08-28-2007, 07:15 PM
Muttley's right though, it was a bad political move, he atleast needed a Clinton style knob polishing to close out this election :p
Sagefrancis
08-29-2007, 12:06 AM
As Dekkers pointed out AWA's were created to make australia more productive and in turn more competitive. This is not just for our trade relation with china but to lessen our national trade deficit with all countries.
AWA's promote upskilling, training and increasing efficiency. However while making us a much stronger workforce they also widen the gap between high and low income earners and make it very difficult for people in low bargaining positions.
under the centralised wage fixing system the AFPC is able to nationally control the supply of employment and use the blunt instrument of the minimum wage to control our pay. This can be very useful to control inflation and to minimise the wages sector of GDP. One of the main problems for this centralised system is that everyone always wants a pay rise, and if there is a pay rise below inflation (as there has been for the past few years) then everyone whinges about it. This system also provides pay rises for everyone regardless of wether they deserve it or not.
All in all if you want a stronger economy then AWA's are the way to go.
However if you want to look after people nationally then awards are the key.
btw although the government has an influence, it cannot control interest rates. that is the job of the RBA. the labour government missed a big opportunity in the last election when the liberals stated that they would keep interest rates low.
if interest rates are high it basically means our economy is going well and that the RBA is trying to slow it down to control inflation.
there are however exceptions to this.
As Dekkers pointed out AWA's were created to make australia more productive and in turn more competitive. This is not just for our trade relation with china but to lessen our national trade deficit with all countries.
AWA's promote upskilling, training and increasing efficiency. However while making us a much stronger workforce they also widen the gap between high and low income earners and make it very difficult for people in low bargaining positions.
under the centralised wage fixing system the AFPC is able to nationally control the supply of employment and use the blunt instrument of the minimum wage to control our pay. This can be very useful to control inflation and to minimise the wages sector of GDP. One of the main problems for this centralised system is that everyone always wants a pay rise, and if there is a pay rise below inflation (as there has been for the past few years) then everyone whinges about it. This system also provides pay rises for everyone regardless of wether they deserve it or not.
All in all if you want a stronger economy then AWA's are the way to go.
However if you want to look after people nationally then awards are the key.
btw although the government has an influence, it cannot control interest rates. that is the job of the RBA. the labour government missed a big opportunity in the last election when the liberals stated that they would keep interest rates low.
if interest rates are high it basically means our economy is going well and that the RBA is trying to slow it down to control inflation.
there are however exceptions to this.
First intellegent response on this topic since it started....
BTW i like how people comment on Howards poor treasury skills back in the Fraser days now.....peanuts only mentioned it now because it was written in Howards Biography recently as a comment made by Costello..............Nobody ever mentioned it in the previous 10yrs.
EelsRule
08-29-2007, 04:33 AM
Actually Kel, it came up from time to time during the last election. But for some reason the labor leader had in mind that he wanted a positive campaign. It turned out bad and now labor is joining the libs in the America style negative trash campaign. It has been the response in parliament for a couple of years now when Howard has baged on about Labors interest rate history. Howard has remained pretty quiet out of shame when the response has been made. I dont expect Labor to drive this home to hard because as anyone with an understanding of interest rates and economys knows the interests rates of the time are always linked to the rest of the world and the conditions of the time. Labor implemented some tough economic initiatives and the result was painfull for a time, but is the main reason why our economy has run so well for the past ten years. Howard has been lucky for ten years. Its over for him now though, he is gone. Which is great because he is a racist old peice of shyte.
Actually Kel, it came up from time to time during the last election. But for some reason the labor leader had in mind that he wanted a positive campaign. It turned out bad and now labor is joining the libs in the America style negative trash campaign. It has been the response in parliament for a couple of years now when Howard has baged on about Labors interest rate history. Howard has remained pretty quiet out of shame when the response has been made. I dont expect Labor to drive this home to hard because as anyone with an understanding of interest rates and economys knows the interests rates of the time are always linked to the rest of the world and the conditions of the time. Labor implemented some tough economic initiatives and the result was painfull for a time, but is the main reason why our economy has run so well for the past ten years. Howard has been lucky for ten years. Its over for him now though, he is gone. Which is great because he is a racist old peice of shyte.
Another vote for Little Johnny i take it :lol:
EelsRule
08-30-2007, 03:30 AM
I voted for him once, in 01. And I've felt unclean ever since.
I think we should form a close alliance with the Japanese.Im gonna mix threads right now. Just came back from a club in coffs and saw a bunch of jap chicks with some nasty tops on. One of the the chicks was wearing a top that said "I Desire to get high to Inspire"
Is this the type of chicks that melts your heart Pecks :think
PS - She was hot
IrnBruMan
09-01-2007, 05:02 AM
Im gonna mix threads right now. Just came back from a club in coffs and saw a bunch of jap chicks with some nasty tops on. One of the the chicks was wearing a top that said "I Desire to get high to Inspire"
Is this the type of chicks that melts your heart Pecks :think
PS - She was hot
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Nope tits were small and her engrish was terrible.
Honestly Pecks i dont know how you pick them up when there is usually hopeless communication.
stiflers mum
09-01-2007, 08:18 PM
Nope tits were small and her engrish was terrible.
Honestly Pecks i dont know how you pick them up when there is usually hopeless communication.
rohypnol in their drink.....
pecks
09-02-2007, 06:26 AM
Nope tits were small and her engrish was terrible.
Honestly Pecks i dont know how you pick them up when there is usually hopeless communication.It's alot easier than it appears. Sometimes no communication, or little is preferable, especially if you have a history of saying stupid shit. :p
You still coming down in November?
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