Dariusz Michalczewski - would he had been a good win for Jones, or dismissed..

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

.. as overrated?


I think about this a lot and I strongly feel it would've been the latter. :good

[FrochPascal]

hmm but he had 2 of the belts at LHW at one time and was undefeated for a long period until losing hes last 2 fights....its a weird one because i think even jones may have seen him as a 'big' competition. its a fight that should have been made. its like calzaghe maybe fighting jones earlier(someone from europe whose touted as a great fighter) except this fight was probably more realistic to make. to answer the question obviously a good win...

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.

[thewoo]

He would have been brushed away. I can imagine it. People would say that DM was just a euro bumb that never fought in the US and had a padded record.

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

hmm but he had 2 of the belts at LHW at one time and was undefeated for a long period until losing hes last 2 fights....its a weird one because i think even jones may have seen him as a 'big' competition. its a fight that should have been made. its like calzaghe maybe fighting jones earlier(someone from europe whose touted as a great fighter) except this fight was probably more realistic to make. to answer the question obviously a good win...


Every great win that Jones does have are often dismissed, it's hard to see a win over DM being any different.

[SnakeFist7]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.

That's complete nonsense.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

He would have been brushed away. I can imagine it. People would say that DM was just a euro bumb that never fought in the US and had a padded record.
Padded record my ass. He beat two fighters that beat James Toney. He beat Virgil Hill before Jones did, as well as the likes of Rocchigiani, ect... DM actually never lost the titles that Jones carried around in the ring. Jones won titles that were stripped from DM.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

That's complete nonsense.
Why is that?

[headhunter]

Beating Dariusz Michalczewski would have been a great win and RJJ would have beaten him easy IMHO.

[roscoe]

DM would of been an easy win for RJJ. The difference in speed that roy would have over darius would allow him to do what he wanted. And I think hopkins & toney are the best wins on roys fight log. If you think any different you don't know shit from clay.

[Rico Spadafora]

Padded record my ass. He beat two fighters that beat James Toney. He beat Virgil Hill before Jones did, as well as the likes of Rocchigiani, ect... DM actually never lost the titles that Jones carried around in the ring. Jones won titles that were stripped from DM.

The Jones fans on here like to conveniently ignore that he was parading around with 2 trinket belts that were in reality not his. Also that Jones never beat a unified, linear, or undisputed champion.

[ThePlugInBabies]

it would have been roy's best win at LHW by a considerable distance.

even more impressive if he'd set foot into europe and beaten DM.

[MAG1965]

It would have been a great win. He could have added DM to Virgil Hill, and James Toney and Bernard Hopkins. But he did not want to risk it. That was always the problem with Jones.

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

The Jones fans on here like to conveniently ignore that he was parading around with 2 trinket belts that were in reality not his. Also that Jones never beat a unified,linear, or undisputed champion.


And Jones detractors also like to ignore how Jones cleared out and beat his competition far more impressively than Michalczewski.

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

It would have been a great win. He could have added DM to Virgil Hill, and James Toney and Bernard Hopkins. But he did not want to risk it. That was always the problem with Jones.


Wrong, neither fighter wanted to risk it. DM was perfectly content to hang onto his " lineage " in his own country just as much as Jones was content to hang onto his loads of titles in his.

[BigBone]

A win over him, probably one of - if not the biggest - test of his career would've meant very very much, clearly a top3 win of his career from a historical standpoint.

Roy's problem is that his resume vs. the actual elite cometition doesn't belong to the group of dozens of other ATG fighters who had SEVERAL wins vs. actual top elite boxers. You know, huge quality wins WHEN the opposition were top elite. The Hopkins win was too early, Bernard became a huge name and recognised P4P-er almost a decade later. The Tito win came too late. The Ruiz win is overrated. The LHW run is very impressive by performances, but not by the resume.

Dariusz Michalczewski won his world title before Jones, unified 3 belts before Jones, and his reign lasted as long as Jones'. He picked up the lineal title vs. Hill, and beat the available competition, just as Jones. He also won a title at CW, which is not a well known fact.

Jones best win is the actual p4p#2 Toney for the IBF SMW title, amazing victory. But imagine a win over Dariusz: unify all 4 titles for the first time in boxing history. Pick up the titles legitimately (Dariusz was stripped of the WBA and IBF), pick up his FIRST AND ONLY undisputed championship of his career, something still missing from his resume, and picking up the lineal belt in the division supposedly Roy's most meaningful. And doing all this over the 'other' dominant, unbeaten LHW champion of their era, who might crack into the HOF one day (I'm not sure).

So from a historical standpoint, the DM win, vs. the given fighter and for the titles and recognition it offered, might've been the most important win in Jones' career, or in the same league with the Toney and Hopkins wins.

[Rico Spadafora]

A win over him, probably one of - if not the biggest - test of his career would've meant very very much, clearly a top3 win of his career from a historical standpoint.

Roy's problem is that his resume vs. the actual elite cometition doesn't belong to the group of dozens of other ATG fighters who had SEVERAL wins vs. actual top elite boxers. You know, huge quality wins WHEN the opposition were top elite. The Hopkins win was too early, Bernard became a huge name and recognised P4P-er almost a decade later. The Tito win came too late. The Ruiz win is overrated. The LHW run is very impressive by performances, but not by the resume.

Dariusz Michalczewski won his world title before Jones, unified 3 belts before Jones, and his reign lasted as long as Jones'. He picked up the lineal title vs. Hill, and beat the available competition, just as Jones. He also won a title at CW, which is not a well known fact.

Jones best win is the actual p4p#2 Toney for the IBF SMW title, amazing victory. But imagine a win over Dariusz: unify all 4 titles for the first time in boxing history. Pick up the titles legitimately (Dariusz was stripped of the WBA and IBF), pick up his FIRST AND ONLY undisputed championship, something still missing from his resume, and picking up the lineal belt in the division supposedly was Roy's best. And doing all this over the 'other' dominant, unbeaten LHW champion of their era, who might crack into the HOF one day (I'm not sure).

So from a historical standpoint, the DM win, vs. the given fighter and for the titles and recognition it offers, might've been the most important win in Jones' career, or in the same league with the Toney and Hopkins wins.


Good post. A DM fight would have been huge and for all the marbles at Light Heavyweight. :good

[Axe]

Michalczewski had collected 4 belts, and beaten 4 of Ring magazine's top 5 Lightheavyweights by 1999, which is when he was in his prime and the world was clamouring for the fight.

Belts: WBA 175, WBO 175, IBF 175 (+ linear 175), WBO 190

Opponents: Barber (top 5, WBO champ), Griffin (top 5), Rochigianni (top 5), Hill (Ring #1, WBA + IBF champ)

Michalczewski would have been Roy's biggest win, if Roy managed to avoid both his hands all night and won a decision. If not, DM would have been the second loss of Roy's career, and the first one that would be by way of KO.

Dariusz Michalczewski is a Hall of Fame fighter, IMO.

[1lehudson]

Michalczewski had collected 4 belts, and beaten 4 of Ring magazine's top 5 Lightheavyweights by 1999, which is when he was in his prime and the world was clamouring for the fight.

Belts: WBA 175, WBO 175, IBF 175 (+ linear 175), WBO 190

Opponents: Barber (top 5, WBO champ), Griffin (top 5), Rochigianni (top 5), Hill (Ring #1, WBA + IBF champ)

Michalczewski would have been Roy's biggest win, if Roy managed to avoid both his hands all night and won a decision. If not, DM would have been the second loss of Roy's career, and the first one that would be by way of KO.

Dariusz Michalczewski is a Hall of Fame fighter, IMO.
:patsch

[Axe]

:patsch

Is there a bug on your head?

[1lehudson]

Michalczewski had collected 4 belts, and beaten 4 of Ring magazine's top 5 Lightheavyweights by 1999, which is when he was in his prime and the world was clamouring for the fight.

Belts: WBA 175, WBO 175, IBF 175 (+ linear 175), WBO 190

Opponents: Barber (top 5, WBO champ), Griffin (top 5), Rochigianni (top 5), Hill (Ring #1, WBA + IBF champ)

Michalczewski would have been Roy's biggest win, if Roy managed to avoid both his hands all night and won a decision. If not, DM would have been the second loss of Roy's career, and the first one that would be by way of KO.

Dariusz Michalczewski is a Hall of Fame fighter, IMO.Barber was a bum...I made a posts about this a few days ago, how European fans love to call any American fighter that a European fighter beats a top elite fighter...Barber was a bum that is all he ever was. 25 fucking fights in an 18 year career, not one win over a contender...He won a WBO belt that amounts to the WGAF belt...For those that done know WGAF stands for who give a fuck...The WBO was nothing then and they were pretty much giving the belt away in those days...

DM has the weakest resume of any fighter that has ever been talked about as a HOF fighter..Its not even close...Case in point fights vs guys like Richard Hall and Derrick Harmon were seen a big fights for DM while Jones was blasted for fighting them...That is all that needs to be said about that:hi:

[Rico Spadafora]

Barber was a bum...I made a posts about this a few days ago, how European fans love to call any American fighter that a European fighter beats a top elite fighter...Barber was a bum that is all he ever was. 25 fucking fights in an 18 year career, not one win over a contender...He won a WBO belt that amounts to the WGAF belt...For those that done know WGAF stands for who give a fuck...The WBO was nothing then and they were pretty much giving the belt away in those days...

DM has the weakest resume of any fighter that has ever been talked about as a HOF fighter..Its not even close...Case in point fights vs guys like Richard Hall and Derrick Harmon were seen a big fights for DM while Jones was blasted for fighting them...That is all that needs to be said about that:hi:

was Barber any worse than some of those guys Jones was fighting at the time? I mean he fought a police officer and a sanitation worker for christ sakes.

Both are to blame for the fight not happening but Roy fought his share of bums and no hopes also.

[Axe]

Barber was a bum...I made a posts about this a few days ago, how European fans love to call any American fighter that a European fighter beats a top elite fighter...Barber was a bum that is all he ever was. 25 fucking fights in an 18 year career, not one win over a contender...He won a WBO belt that amounts to the WGAF belt...For those that done know WGAF stands for who give a fuck...The WBO was nothing then and they were pretty much giving the belt away in those days...

DM has the weakest resume of any fighter that has ever been talked about as a HOF fighter..Its not even close...Case in point fights vs guys like Richard Hall and Derrick Harmon were seen a big fights for DM while Jones was blasted for fighting them...That is all that needs to be said about that:hi:

Barber was rated #4 by Ring magazine when Michalczewski beat him. Check your facts, don't post BS. :deal

He was a huge Lightheavyweight and a very tough, skilled Kronk Gym fighter, trained by Manny Stewart in his hey days.

Michalczewski broke Barber mentally and took his belt. Barber retired, then had a semi-unsuccessful comeback 3 years later, past his prime, at Cruiserweight.

All in all, it was a very good win for a still green Michalczewski. :good

As to former WBA interim champ Richard Hall, he's not a big ie. top 5 win for DM, but his stock has gone up now that he KOed former WBA champ Byron Mitchell.

DM has a good resume which is better than a few fighters currently in the Hall of Fame, not to mention guys that are up for discussion. Again, check your facts. :deal

[sitiyzal]

A win over him, probably one of - if not the biggest - test of his career would've meant very very much, clearly a top3 win of his career from a historical standpoint.

Roy's problem is that his resume vs. the actual elite cometition doesn't belong to the group of dozens of other ATG fighters who had SEVERAL wins vs. actual top elite boxers. You know, huge quality wins WHEN the opposition were top elite. The Hopkins win was too early, Bernard became a huge name and recognised P4P-er almost a decade later. The Tito win came too late. The Ruiz win is overrated. The LHW run is very impressive by performances, but not by the resume.

Dariusz Michalczewski won his world title before Jones, unified 3 belts before Jones, and his reign lasted as long as Jones'. He picked up the lineal title vs. Hill, and beat the available competition, just as Jones. He also won a title at CW, which is not a well known fact.

Jones best win is the actual p4p#2 Toney for the IBF SMW title, amazing victory. But imagine a win over Dariusz: unify all 4 titles for the first time in boxing history. Pick up the titles legitimately (Dariusz was stripped of the WBA and IBF), pick up his FIRST AND ONLY undisputed championship of his career, something still missing from his resume, and picking up the lineal belt in the division supposedly Roy's most meaningful. And doing all this over the 'other' dominant, unbeaten LHW champion of their era, who might crack into the HOF one day (I'm not sure).

So from a historical standpoint, the DM win, vs. the given fighter and for the titles and recognition it offered, might've been the most important win in Jones' career, or in the same league with the Toney and Hopkins wins.

Good post, sums it up just right.

[Axe]

was Barber any worse than some of those guys Jones was fighting at the time? I mean he fought a police officer and a sanitation worker for christ sakes.

Both are to blame for the fight not happening but Roy fought his share of bums and no hopes also.

Barber would have easily been one of Roy's best wins at 175 lbs.

He had a belt, and a top 4 ranking with Ring mag (when there was no champion).

That is an opponent who's two levels better than the Telescos, Hardings, etc, and three levels up from the Fraziers, Grants, etc.

[cuchulain]

.. as overrated?


I think about this a lot and I strongly feel it would've been the latter. :good



Had this very same discussion with someone else regarding Calzaghe and how he might be viewed if he'd fought Dawson (and won).

In that instance, I maintained there would always be someone else to hold against Joe and some would never cede credit, no matter what.

(And Joe has a better excuse for not meeting Dawson: Age and retirement).


Regarding Roy and Darius, I'm of the opinion that Darius would have been Roy's greatest win, if he' had fought and beat him. I would favour Roy by UD (55 % probability).

There is no doubt that Roy did not go out of his way to make this fight happen. He was probably aware that it would have been his toughest challenge. I would characterize his behaviour as avoidance rather than ducking.

Equally, there is no evidence that Darius wanted to risk his 0 against Roy. He likewise knew what Roy was capable of, and must have guessed that Roy had the slightly better chance of victory.

So, it was to their mutual interest and convenience that this fight never happened. And to the loss of the boxing fans.



Would a victory have been a good win or dismissed ?

I (and most serious boxing fans) would have ranked it as very worthy. Some on the fence would have thought more highly of Roy for it.


Lads like Rico ?

Probably would have dismissed it and said something along the lines of
"he was over-rated" " he got exposed" etc.

For some, it will make no difference what Roy had accomplished, he will be dismissed.



Personally, I rank him as the best of his generation and the best in the sport since Duran.

[Bummy Davis]

It was a fight that was supposed to happen...In there primes a tough fight, D.M. had the pressure style to give Roy trouble and Roy had fast hands and feet both men had power...this fight was supposed to happen like Calzage/Kessler and Calzage/Lacy...would have been a great unification

[Sokrates]

I wonder if the people who mention Graciano Rocchigiani as a notable win actually know what happened in their first fight.

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[Rico Spadafora]

Barber would have easily been one of Roy's best wins at 175 lbs.

He had a belt, and a top 4 ranking with Ring mag (when there was no champion).

That is an opponent who's two levels better than the Telescos, Hardings, etc, and three levels up from the Fraziers, Grants, etc.

That is what I figured. Roy had several fights that were complete jokes.

[Axe]

I wonder if the people who mention Graciano Rocchigiani as a notable win actually know what happened in their first fight.

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You do know that he beat him twice?

And in the rematch, Rocky was the official (retro-actively named) WBC Lightheavyweight champion, and got KOed by a liver shot?

Just checking.

[Axe]

That is what I figured. Roy had several fights that were complete jokes.

Right. So did Darius.

I'm just saying he beat some quality opponents as well.

[Arriba]

3rd behind Toney and Hopkins IMO. Michalczewski never really getting his just due is pretty sad.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

3rd behind Toney and Hopkins IMO. Michalczewski never really getting his just due is pretty sad.
DM was better than the Hopkins that Jones beat, and the Toney that Jones beat.

[Sokrates]

You do know that he beat him twice?

And in the rematch, Rocky was the official (retro-actively named) WBC Lightheavyweight champion, and got KOed by a liver shot?

Just checking.

Dariusz was behind on points before he finally found a way out. Rocchigiani had a two year lay off before he fought against Dariusz for a second time and was almost 37 years old. Hardly a notable win.

[cuchulain]

Dariusz was behind on points before he finally found a way out. Rocchigiani had a two year lay off before he fought against Dariusz for a second time and was almost 37 years old. Hardly a notable win.



Found a way out ??


Did you watch the video ??????

[Sokrates]

Found a way out ??


Did you watch the video ??????

Don´t tell me he fooled you with his acting skills. Just look at his reaction after the punch. Keep in mind that Dariusz had a very good chin and Rocchigiani wasn´t a big puncher.

[My2Sense]

He would've been better than any other opponent Roy beat at light-heavy. Only Tarver would be comparable.

[ReturnofTheKing]

DM was better than the Hopkins that Jones beat, and the Toney that Jones beat.

more euro-trash revisionism..darius better then hopkins..:nut:rofl

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal

darius is and always will be euro trash along with joe and ricky hatton always looking for the easy way out and nver taking big risks against prime young fighters because they know what will happen..just ask ricky hatton who avoided floyd for 2 years:admin:deal

[ThePlugInBabies]

more euro-trash revisionism..darius better then hopkins..:nut:rofl

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal

darius is and always will be euro trash along with joe and ricky hatton always looking for the easy way out and nver taking big risks against prime young fighters because they know what will happen..just ask ricky hatton who avoided floyd for 2 years:admin:deal

:lol:

hey look.

it's the return of the faggit who spent months and months talking about edson miranda was gonna do to arthur abraham only to run with his tail between his legs and never post again on his old ID once arthur had smashed the shit out of little edson.

[PolishPummler]

Barber was a bum...I made a posts about this a few days ago, how European fans love to call any American fighter that a European fighter beats a top elite fighter...Barber was a bum that is all he ever was. 25 fucking fights in an 18 year career, not one win over a contender...He won a WBO belt that amounts to the WGAF belt...For those that done know WGAF stands for who give a fuck...The WBO was nothing then and they were pretty much giving the belt away in those days...

DM has the weakest resume of any fighter that has ever been talked about as a HOF fighter..Its not even close...Case in point fights vs guys like Richard Hall and Derrick Harmon were seen a big fights for DM while Jones was blasted for fighting them...That is all that needs to be said about that:hi:

This guys conspiracy theories about DM are second to none.

Tell us again how he actually never really won a title and was handed gift after gift....:thinki will be waiting(as i have in the past but you always run off)

[asero]

if jones clearly beat DM, then he is better than bhop no doubt and DM's claim HOF to look shakey

[FrochPascal]

more euro-trash revisionism..darius better then hopkins..:nut:rofl

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal

darius is and always will be euro trash along with joe and ricky hatton always looking for the easy way out and nver taking big risks against prime young fighters because they know what will happen..just ask ricky hatton who avoided floyd for 2 years:admin:deal

firstly he never said daruisz was better than hopkins silly:huh:patsch:patsch:patsch
secondly hatton ducked floyd for 2 yrs???:huh:huh:huhsay what you want about what happened in the ring but dont say he ducked mayweather when in that 2 year period all he did was call out mayweather. hattons the one who came over on floyds terms at floyds weight to challenge him....easy way out huh:huh:huh

thirdly calzaghe-trash?:-(

[PolishPummler]

more euro-trash revisionism..darius better then hopkins..:nut:rofl

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal

darius is and always will be euro trash along with joe and ricky hatton always looking for the easy way out and nver taking big risks against prime young fighters because they know what will happen..just ask ricky hatton who avoided floyd for 2 years:admin:deal

...in his second to last fight at the shit end of his career.

Surely we dont hold the Williams and McBride losses against Tyson now do we.

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

The Hopkins win was too early, Bernard became a huge name and recognised P4P-er almost a decade later. The Tito win came too late. The Ruiz win is overrated. The LHW run is very impressive by performances, but not by the resume.


The win over Hopkins gets extremely underrated, IMO. Both fighters were slightly green, but I'd say Hopkins was definitely at his physical peak. And Hopkins also didn't even become a huge name or P4Per until he was already on the decline.

I think that if they both fought in 2002 Jones would have beaten him even more decisively.

[asero]

jones is like PBF, his potential is not really tested..but still both would beat many ATGs in hypothetical matchup...i pick mayweather over arguello and i also pick jones over spinks

[Axe]

jones is like PBF, his potential is not really tested..but still both would beat many ATGs in hypothetical matchup...i pick mayweather over arguello and i also pick jones over spinks

Good points.

[wvucheerjr]

It would go both ways, alot of people would have seen it as a very good win, but the Jones' haters would have said DM was overrated because he only fought in Europe etc.. etc..

[My2Sense]

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal


When the fuck did Roy KO Gonzales?? :huh :patsch

Besides, Roy got his ass kicked by a guy Omar Sheika beat - 'nuff said.

[1lehudson]

This guys conspiracy theories about DM are second to none.

Tell us again how he actually never really won a title and was handed gift after gift....:thinki will be waiting(as i have in the past but you always run off)
I have never ran from anything on this site...You cats are just stupid when it comes to DM...I know that He is like the only thing that Poland has to lay claim to being close to a great fighter but he just isnt...The title that I have always said is the WBC belt in which you moron kept claiming that he was the rightful champ, yet you claim that Jones was never a rightful champ because the titles were stripped from DM before Jones won them, but isnt that the case with the WBC???

Its stupid how one-sided you cats are and the sad thing is you dont even see it..

[boxingwizard]

It would've been a great win for Roy, too bad neither one of them got the big fight with each other, even in the twilights of their careers.

[PolishPummler]

I have never ran from anything on this site...You cats are just stupid when it comes to DM...I know that He is like the only thing that Poland has to lay claim to being close to a great fighter but he just isnt...The title that I have always said is the WBC belt in which you moron kept claiming that he was the rightful champ, yet you claim that Jones was never a rightful champ because the titles were stripped from DM before Jones won them, but isnt that the case with the WBC???

Its stupid how one-sided you cats are and the sad thing is you dont even see it..

Typical....put someone elses words in mouth.:lol:

BTW for your info i would favor Roy over DM but wouldnt rule the Tiger out at all.SOMETHING I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED!His mistake for not fighting in the US(mecca)But also not his fault that he came along mostly pre internet(for most)and pre any kind of respect for a Euro based fighter.

You know what im talking about when i mention your BS conspiracy theories.


ps...care to elaborate on my sig:think:lol:

[cuchulain]

more euro-trash revisionism..darius better then hopkins..:nut:rofl

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal

darius is and always will be euro trash along with joe and ricky hatton always looking for the easy way out and nver taking big risks against prime young fighters because they know what will happen..just ask ricky hatton who avoided floyd for 2 years:admin:deal




:lol:

hey look.

it's the return of the faggit who spent months and months talking about edson miranda was gonna do to arthur abraham only to run with his tail between his legs and never post again on his old ID once arthur had smashed the shit out of little edson.

Yes, I noticed that.

The little pussy-fart made his last post on the evening of the Abraham destruction of Pantera (hours before the fight) and then disappeared.

And now he's back.


With as much cred as he had last time !

[cuchulain]

Don´t tell me he fooled you with his acting skills. Just look at his reaction after the punch. Keep in mind that Dariusz had a very good chin and Rocchigiani wasn´t a big puncher.



Fuck the acting skills.

Look at the video (2:24) or, if you're a little slow, look at it in slo-mo (4:23).

A perfect flush shot to the jaw on the break. A shot that would have put most boxers out for the count.

[5Burowz]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.

Nah. B-Hop and Toney were.

[5Burowz]

DM was better than the Hopkins that Jones beat, and the Toney that Jones beat.

Both Hop and Toney were in their primes. So, how were there better versions of Hop and Toney? That's basically what you're saying.

[cuchulain]

Nah. B-Hop and Toney were.



Undoubtedly, with Ruiz, they were.

But that's because he doesn't have a win over Darius.

[KCD]

In my eyes it would have been one of his greatest victories.

Michalczweski was the legitimate number 2 in the division and he was underated by the US because he never fought there. Having said that he didnt need to as he sold out in every fight he had in Germany.

[Sokrates]

Fuck the acting skills.

Look at the video (2:24) or, if you're a little slow, look at it in slo-mo (4:23).

A perfect flush shot to the jaw on the break. A shot that would have put most boxers out for the count.

Dariusz took harder shots by better punchers without flinching, which actually became his game in later stages of his career.
Take another look at his behavior and tell me that this isn´t worse than Jones - Griffin I. He even complained to the referee before he started his show. Even the commentator from premiere, the network which exclusively showed his fights, is skeptical.
He was behind on points and he knew it.

[Minotauro]

DM was the true champion he was lineal Jones simply held abc titles, it would have been a very big win for Jones and he would have been undisputed number 1 at the weight it should have happened. It was both parties fault the fight never happened which is a shame because I think it would have been a great fight.

[5Burowz]

I don't think anyone in the world thought DM was a better fighter than RJJ at that time. It doesn't matter if DM was considered the lineal champion or whatever because nobody really thought he was better than Roy. Roy was, for a long time, damn near impossible to hit. I would expect that DM would've had the same kind of problems everyone else who fought Roy had. Roy would've won a comfortable UD.

[Sokrates]

Since this topic has been brought up so many times, It would interesting to know whether Dariusz´s fights have been broadcasted outside of europe. He seems to get a lot of support from american fans. During a big part of his career he was barely known in Germany, because he was one of the few fighters who fought on ppv.

[p.Townend]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.
It would be right up there with his wins over Toney and Hopkins.I think people are too quick to say it would have been an easy fight for Roy.Dariusz should have got his chance he always looked a very good and dangerous fighter when i watched him.

[ApatheticLeader]

How does a fighter go from fighting Virgil Hill to Nicky Piper in his next defence? Not that Piper was a bad fighter, but that's a big decline in name power.

[BadJuju83]

How does a fighter go from fighting Virgil Hill to Nicky Piper in his next defence? Not that Piper was a bad fighter, but that's a big decline in name power.


Same way you can go from Trinidad to Daniels. Happens to everyone I suppose.

[ApatheticLeader]

Same way you can go from Trinidad to Daniels. Happens to everyone I suppose.

Maybe.

But then from Piper to the great Darren Zenner?

[lolb]

Would have been a good win at the time but no better than Hill, Toney, McCallum, Hopkins etc.

[BadJuju83]

Maybe.

But then from Piper to the great Darren Zenner?


:lol:


But Daniels to Hakkar.:hey


Maybe bigger names concentrated on a bigger payday with Roy, rather than going out to Germany, but fuck knows.

[BadJuju83]

Would have been a good win at the time but no better than Hill, Toney, McCallum, Hopkins etc.


Not Toney.

But I'd probably rank it over Hopkins and certainly over McCallum and Hill.

[PowerPuncher]

It would be his 4th best win behind Toney, BHOPs and Ruiz in that order. Lets not forget DM was protected in Germany and had gifts against Rochiagani and Richard Hall plus lost to Gonzalez who Roy beat. Roy also beat common opponents much quicker. Plus DM avoided Tarver

Sadly Jones could make as much against anyone he chose as he would against Dm hence their been no incentive to fight him. DM wasn't very popular being less popular than Otke in Germany, Jones would have made more money against Otke but neither fight would top the $8m per fight who you want deal with HBO

[tonsetzer]

1. Dariusz Michalchewski was a very good fighter, and a good champ
2. He was a very protected fighter
3. A fight vs. Jones jr. would have been huge
4. In his prime only Roy would have beaten Dariusz at that time
5. DM was shot when he lost to Gonzales
6. Stylewise Roy would have been a nightmare for DM
7. Both never really wanted that fight
8. DM deserves an oscar for his acting vs Rocky I
9. The 2nd fight Rocky was old and not the same
T. He beat Hill, he beat Griffin when both were prime or near prime and he put away
most contenders without too much problems.

[PolishPummler]

It would be his 4th best win behind Toney, BHOPs and Ruiz in that order. Lets not forget DM was protected in Germany and had gifts against Rochiagani and Richard Hall plus lost to Gonzalez who Roy beat. Roy also beat common opponents much quicker. Plus DM avoided Tarver

Sadly Jones could make as much against anyone he chose as he would against Dm hence their been no incentive to fight him. DM wasn't very popular being less popular than Otke in Germany, Jones would have made more money against Otke but neither fight would top the $8m per fight who you want deal with HBO

:lol:

Again he was a shot old man when he lost to Gonzalez in his second to last fight.By no means is that a measuring stick.Roy got KO'd by Johnson who lost to all kinds of fighters.Do we hold it against him.

And you clearly dont know what the FUCK you are talking about when you bring up Tarver.Dude was nowhere on the map during most of DM's and Roy's career's.

[sitiyzal]

Since this topic has been brought up so many times, It would interesting to know whether Dariusz´s fights have been broadcasted outside of europe. He seems to get a lot of support from american fans. During a big part of his career he was barely known in Germany, because he was one of the few fighters who fought on ppv.

HBO rarely even mentioned his name when he was champ.

[BADINTENTIONS2]

Not Toney.

But I'd probably rank it over Hopkins and certainly over McCallum and Hill.


you GOT to love that bodyshot in the hill fight though, don't you?

one of my favourite punches.

[BADINTENTIONS2]

1. Dariusz Michalchewski was a very good fighter, and a good champ
2. He was a very protected fighter
3. A fight vs. Jones jr. would have been huge
4. In his prime only Roy would have beaten Dariusz at that time
5. DM was shot when he lost to Gonzales
6. Stylewise Roy would have been a nightmare for DM
7. Both never really wanted that fight
8. DM deserves an oscar for his acting vs Rocky I
9. The 2nd fight Rocky was old and not the same
T. He beat Hill, he beat Griffin when both were prime or near prime and he put away
most contenders without too much problems.

if a fight versus jones would have been huge then the fight would have happened.

this is the eternal eyesore (that i keep having to mention) - and the one thing that prevents toflight euro fighters from getting their dream fights.

i'm as sick of saying it as you guys are as reading it right now.

i just want to login once a week and talk boxing but i just can't help reitterating one of the most misunderstood points about the sport.....

:fire

[BadJuju83]

you GOT to love that bodyshot in the hill fight though, don't you?

one of my favourite punches.


Good choice.


Love a good a bodyshot, the man in my avy was pretty handy with them aswell;)

[PACZ]

michalczewski would have ko'd roy with his jab.

[ReturnofTheKing]

firstly he never said daruisz was better than hopkins silly:huh:patsch:patsch:patsch
secondly hatton ducked floyd for 2 yrs???:huh:huh:huhsay what you want about what happened in the ring but dont say he ducked mayweather when in that 2 year period all he did was call out mayweather. hattons the one who came over on floyds terms at floyds weight to challenge him....easy way out huh

thirdly calzaghe-trash


hatton ducked floyd in 2005 at 140 saying he wasn't ready, then in 2006 when he beat collazo he declined to unify his wba title with floyds IBF title.

after floyd decided to retire after beating hoya ricky finally got the balls to call floyd out at after he retired..so from june 2005 when floyd detroyed gatti for the WBC title and #1 ranking at 140 to april 2007 hatton never made a peep about fighting floyd.

and darius the "tiger" mikawho was the a sven otke, joe calzaghe, european fighter.. fought for the weakest title for most of their career against c and d level fighters. never took risks against young prime fighters only wanted to fight older past prime fighters like, virgil hill, bernard jhopkins, and roy jones jr,:deal

darius never had a win over a prime elite fighter:deal same goes for calzaghe, and ottke.:yikes:admin

and darius was not past prime when he lost to julio gonzales, another excuse you pos want to use:|:|:|

[BADINTENTIONS2]

hatton ducked floyd in 2005 at 140 saying he wasn't ready, then in 2006 when he beat collazo he declined to unify his wba title with floyds IBF title.

after floyd decided to retire after beating hoya ricky finally got the balls to call floyd out at after he retired..so from june 2005 when floyd detroyed gatti for the WBC title and #1 ranking at 140 to april 2007 hatton never made a peep about fighting floyd.



hatton wasn't in the market to call out a fight with floyd until he KO'd castillo.

hatton made all the right moves a year leading up to that fight and thats why he got castillo and thats why he got floyd.

if you think ricky was waiting to "get the balls" to challenge floyd then you need to try this sport sometime instead of posting about it - because thats bullshit.

[Axe]

hatton ducked floyd in 2005 at 140 saying he wasn't ready, then in 2006 when he beat collazo he declined to unify his wba title with floyds IBF title.

after floyd decided to retire after beating hoya ricky finally got the balls to call floyd out at after he retired..so from june 2005 when floyd detroyed gatti for the WBC title and #1 ranking at 140 to april 2007 hatton never made a peep about fighting floyd.

and darius the "tiger" mikawho was the a sven otke, joe calzaghe, european fighter.. fought for the weakest title for most of their career against c and d level fighters. never took risks against young prime fighters only wanted to fight older past prime fighters like, virgil hill, bernard jhopkins, and roy jones jr,:deal

darius never had a win over a prime elite fighter:deal same goes for calzaghe, and ottke.:yikes:admin

and darius was not past prime when he lost to julio gonzales, another excuse you pos want to use:|:|:|

DM was not past it, he was shot and almost 36 years old when he lost to a 27 year old Gonzalez. DM would have battered Gonzalez in his prime, and stopped him.

Also, he beat a prime Virgil Hill, that is a prime elite fighter, when both were at their best.

Hill was 33 but he aged like Hopkins, he still held a world title over a decade after losing to DM.

[razor]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.


:lol::lol::lol::lol: Ever seen him fight?

[ReturnofTheKing]

hatton wasn't in the market to call out a fight with floyd until he KO'd castillo.


keep telling yourself that..ricky was in the market once he beat zoo at 140 for the IBF title with a 11 round tko. floyd had just won the wbc title with a devastating tko victory and garnered the #1 ranking at ring.

are you saying ring champion vs #1 ring contender in a unification title wasn't bigger then both guys fighting 2 years later at 147 where one guy looked awesome going into the fight and the other guy looked terrible going into the fight.

the fight would have been bigger at 140 then at 147 since hatton had did very little at 147.


hatton made all the right moves a year leading up to that fight and thats why he got castillo and thats why he got floyd.


hatton looked terrible after beating zoo, going life and death against maussa, urango, collazo, and beating an old castillo all lowered ricky's stock going into the fight. he remained undefeated but it was clear that he was not in floyd's league who had no trouble against tougher competition over the same period.

if you think ricky was waiting to "get the balls" to challenge floyd then you need to try this sport sometime instead of posting about it - because thats bullshit.

if he was a good business man he would have fought floyd at 140 and if he lost he could have challenged floyd again at 147.

[rumour24tiger]

Michalczewski has to get some credit. For beating Barber (unbeaten puncher, WBO champ), Hill (unified, #1 light heavyweight), Griffin (stopped in 4), Rocchigiani rematch (terrific fight, Rocchi beat Nunn, was a valid foe, big all German fight), Thadzi (tough/limited sort, had beaten a drained Toney). These guys do offer a range of styles. He was powerful, strong, great jab but fairly slow and easy to hit. Stylistically somewhat like Israel Vazquez, he just broke ppl down steadily.

He was a successful fighter, he made and lost a lot of money, and did prove himself though there are many poor opponents on his record. Certainly the title run was dragged out forever and he wasn't very good at the end, and he seemed to quit the 1st Rocchi fight. But a very very good fighter from 97-00.

European fighters get more credit now because ppl know about Calzaghe, Abraham, etc. European boxing was ignored for a long time, even though fighters were winning at a good level since the Henry Maske era. Michalczewski would have been a Ring mag champion had he done what he did in this era.

Certainly would have been a big win for Roy Jones. But Roy Jones was getting a lot of money from HBO to fight anyone ranked in the WBA, WBC, IBF top 10 - could be someone as good as Reggie Johnson or as bad as Richard Frazier. Dariusz was obviously getting his good money in Germany where he drew big crouds. Both had their comfort zones and never fought.

[ReturnofTheKing]

DM was not past it, he was shot and almost 36 years old when he lost to a 27 year old Gonzalez. DM would have battered Gonzalez in his prime, and stopped him.


he didn't beat anyone as good as gonzales in his prime wo you don't know what you're talking about.

Also, he beat a prime Virgil Hill, that is a prime elite fighter, when both were at their best.


hill was 33 but prime but darius is 35 and shot..talk about talking out of your ass:deal you can't have it both ways chief..if hill was prime at 33 darius was prime at 35.

Hill was 33 but he aged like Hopkins, he still held a world title over a decade after losing to DM.

now you are comparing virgil hill to bernard hopkins..virgil hill is two steps below hopkins, toney, and the other greats..virgil hill lost to an old tommy hearns, and you call him prime and elite at the age of 33:admin:admin:admin

[Cobbler]

hatton looked terrible after beating zoo, going life and death against maussa, urango, collazo, and beating an old castillo all lowered ricky's stock going into the fight.


Life and death? Lowered his stock? He knocked out two of them, beat one of them 119 - 109 on all the cards and against the other won a UD away from home against a titleholder on his first fight moving up in weight. He didn't train very well for that last fight and didn't look great, granted.

[ReturnofTheKing]

Michalczewski has to get some credit. For beating Barber (unbeaten puncher, WBO champ), Hill (unified, #1 light heavyweight), Griffin (stopped in 4), Rocchigiani rematch (terrific fight, Rocchi beat Nunn, was a valid foe, big all German fight), Thadzi (tough/limited sort, had beaten a drained Toney). These guys do offer a range of styles. He was powerful, strong, great jab but fairly slow and easy to hit. Stylistically somewhat like Israel Vazquez, he just broke ppl down steadily.

this is not HOF calibre opposition:deal roy koed virgil hill before darius got to him, same goes to richard hall. darius was feeding off roy's scraps for years no way is that a good victory darius has done nothing special with his career:deal

[BADINTENTIONS2]

Good choice.


Love a good a bodyshot, the man in my avy was pretty handy with them aswell;)

he sure was.

the only headshot i've really enjoyed watching more since then is torres on cotto in round 2 - you know the one.

i prefer a good bodyshot to a headshot anyday but torres had cotto in lala-land with that punch and you could hear it half a world away.

[ReturnofTheKing]

Life and death? Lowered his stock? He knocked out two of them, beat one of them 119 - 109 on all the cards and against the other won a UD away from home against a titleholder on his first fight moving up in weight. He didn't train very well for that last fight and didn't look great, granted.


did you see hatton's face after the mausa fight, and compare floyds face against mitchell, judah, baldomir, and hoya.

hatton held on against urango and collazo which is why he won those fights, but he lost alot of respect in the general boxing public by doing that here in the US.

the only fight he looked decent in was the castillo fight and he was still doing too much holding.

the fight would have been bigger at 140 where hatton coming of a tko against zsyu and floyd coming off a tko against gatto would have garnered much international attention.

but hatton didn't feel like he was ready to fight floyd since he had only 1 championship fight while floyd had 15:deal

[rumour24tiger]

hatton ducked floyd in 2005 at 140 saying he wasn't ready, then in 2006 when he beat collazo he declined to unify his wba title with floyds IBF title.

after floyd decided to retire after beating hoya ricky finally got the balls to call floyd out at after he retired..so from june 2005 when floyd detroyed gatti for the WBC title and #1 ranking at 140 to april 2007 hatton never made a peep about fighting floyd.

and darius the "tiger" mikawho was the a sven otke, joe calzaghe, european fighter.. fought for the weakest title for most of their career against c and d level fighters. never took risks against young prime fighters only wanted to fight older past prime fighters like, virgil hill, bernard jhopkins, and roy jones jr,:deal

darius never had a win over a prime elite fighter:deal same goes for calzaghe, and ottke.:yikes:admin

and darius was not past prime when he lost to julio gonzales, another excuse you pos want to use:|:|:|
immature post. name me anyone from 160-175 who beat a legend in his prime/p4per at his best/who wasn't considerably smaller.

Jones beat a prime Toney, but Toney was drained/out of shape etc.
Hopkins beat prime Tito, but Tito above his natural weight.
Calzaghe beat prime Kessler/Lacy, good but not great fighters.
Calzaghe beating an old but still p4p top 5 Hopkins.
Dawson beating Johnson and Tarver (old), Adamek (dangerous, but weight drained & with wrong trainer)
DM beating Hill, not in his prime, but Hill for the 1st time The Man at 175

It's the little guys who fight the legends in their primes i.e. Marquez bros, Vazquez, Pac, Morales, Barrera.

etc. These guys from middle to light heavy take the fights that make money and the fights that are an interesting enough package to the fans. They make money during long title runs and take a calculated risk. Boxing's about risk-reward not about LEGEND / PRIME; you need to show an understandign of boxing as a business. Fighters will draw things out to keep their earner for as long as they can. They want to maximise their earnings and often take the most lucrative fight rather than the most meaningful.

Look at Kelly Pavlik, a warrior, but is looking to cash in vs Duddy or Mora before unification with Abraham.

[BADINTENTIONS2]

hatton held on against urango and collazo which is why he won those fights, but he lost alot of respect in the general boxing public by doing that here in the US.




no he didnt.

he gained respect of everybody for having the balls to put his name on the line and make these fights happen when he could have stayed in britain and let frank ****** milk him until the end of his days.

if he lost respect then how the hell do you think he got castillo to fight him?

and that was the fight that got him the floyd fight....

[Cobbler]

did you see hatton's face after the mausa fight, and compare floyds face against mitchell, judah, baldomir, and hoya.


Using Ricky Hatton's face as evidence for an argument is simply laughable.

A decent wash could leave him bruised and bloodied.

Did you see his face after fighting Thaxton? What does that prove, exactly?

[rumour24tiger]

this is not HOF calibre opposition:deal roy koed virgil hill before darius got to him, same goes to richard hall. darius was feeding off roy's scraps for years no way is that a good victory darius has done nothing special with his career:dealso what if it's not HOF / LEGEND / PRIME blah blah blah. Boxing fans talk about legend/prime etc, boxers want money and a career and risk/reward being balanced in their favour.

it's proof that he was a top level operator, the names DM beat. You don't beat Barber, Hill, Griffin, Rocchigiani (a lucrative fight in germany, the Benn-Eubank of Germany) if you aren't any good.

No, DM beat Hill before Jones did. DM did it when Hill was WBA/IBF champ. Jones did it AFTER Hill copped a 12 rd beating from DM. Hill came in for a non title over the weight fight and Jones wouldn't fight unless Hill drained himself.

DM was terrible in thre last couple years holding the WBO title, woeful performances vs Hall, Harmon, DeGrandis

German promoters are too cautious and thrifty to produce a legend but they have many fighters who score some excellent wins before sitting on titles.

[Axe]

he didn't beat anyone as good as gonzales in his prime wo you don't know what you're talking about.



hill was 33 but prime but darius is 35 and shot..talk about talking out of your ass:deal you can't have it both ways chief..if hill was prime at 33 darius was prime at 35.



now you are comparing virgil hill to bernard hopkins..virgil hill is two steps below hopkins, toney, and the other greats..virgil hill lost to an old tommy hearns, and you call him prime and elite at the age of 33:admin:admin:admin
Dariusz did not win a fight after turning 35 years old.

Hill won a world title at 36 and then another interim belt in his 40's.

He had Hopkins-like longevity, and like Hopkins, was at the very top of his game at 33 years of age...it is when he beat Maske in Gerkmany, and when he lost to Dariusz Michalczewski.

Learn some boxing, you dipshit.

[Axe]

this is not HOF calibre opposition:deal roy koed virgil hill before darius got to him, same goes to richard hall. darius was feeding off roy's scraps for years no way is that a good victory darius has done nothing special with his career:deal

The underlined, combined with the "Roy KOed Gonzo in 6" quote, let's me know I'm dealing with a knowledge-less troll.

Thanks for wasting everybody's time chief. :rofl

[Axe]

Bump!

Where has the troll, I mean the king gone?

:rofl

[Imperial1]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.


That's crazy talk his best win was against Toney !

[socrates]

.. as overrated?


I think about this a lot and I strongly feel it would've been the latter. :good
one of his best wins.

but he wouldnt have beat him.

i see that fight going the same way as jones/johnson

and if ones self appointed groupies feel the need to purge ones petty frustrations at one then please have the deceny to know ones station and address one as sir first.thankyou.

[Imperial1]

one of his best wins.

but he wouldnt have beat him.

i see that fight going the same way as jones/johnson

and if ones self appointed groupies feel the need to pourge ones petty frustrations at one then please have the deceny to know ones station and address one as sir first.thankyou.


How could u see that fight going like the Johnson fight ? When he fought Johnson he was coming down from heavy ..If they had fought it would have been around 02 03 and Jones was pretty much unbeatable back then and DM was not as much of a pressure fighter as the Road Warrior ..Jones by UD .No Ko's in this one !

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

That's crazy talk his best win was against Toney !
Beating a James Toney who also has been outboxed by the likes of David Tiberi, Drake Thadzi, Montell Griffin twice, ect... isn't a better win than beating an undefeated Prime DM. No way in hell. Especially considering that DM knocked out both Thadzi and Griffin who beat Toney.

[socrates]

How could u see that fight going like the Johnson fight ? When he fought Johnson he was coming down from heavy ..If they had fought it would have been around 02 03 and Jones was pretty much unbeatable back then and DM was not as much of a pressure fighter as the Road Warrior ..Jones by UD .No Ko's in this one !
ok.

[Imperial1]

Beating a James Toney who also has been outboxed by the likes of David Tiberi, Drake Thadzi, Montell Griffin twice, ect... isn't a better win than beating an undefeated Prime DM. No way in hell. Especially considering that DM knocked out both Thadzi and Griffin who beat Toney.



Yeah but at the time Toney was the best fighter P4P and the supermiddle weight champ Roy moved from 160 to 168 to beat him this was long before Toney had those losses .And if you want to be picky Julio Gonzales beat DM who Jones smoked ! So lets not go there ..

[socrates]

james toney.one of the most overrated fighters ever.

[Imperial1]

james toney.one of the most overrated fighters ever.


How long have you followed boxing to say this ??

[socrates]

How long have you followed boxing to say this ??

“Champions aren´t made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision.”


not a mcdonalds.

[Sokrates]

I´m not sure, if Dariusz could fight Roy like Johnson did. Prime Jones had a whole different mindset and the Tiger cuts quite easily.

[Imperial1]

“Champions aren´t made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision.”


not a mcdonalds.


Um u still didn't answer my question ! Have u only followed Toney for the last 5 yrs or something ??

[Brickhaus]

Beating DM would be the best win on Roy's resume.

Co-signed.

[andyZOR]

Man some of you people are just either dumb or just fucking with me :lol:

[Stinky gloves]

As the resume counting, beating DM would be top 3 below beating Toney
at 168 and getting (or being "awarded" with) historical title from Ruiz.
Beating Hopkins early is just not bigger than winning other single titles at LHW.

If the titles were not involved then beating prime DM would be much better
that beating green Hopkins, weight drained Toney or limited Ruiz
(who btw was also fighting against J. Nady that night).

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

Beating a James Toney who also has been outboxed by the likes of David Tiberi, Drake Thadzi, Montell Griffin twice, ect... isn't a better win than beating an undefeated Prime DM. No way in hell. Especially considering that DM knocked out both Thadzi and Griffin who beat Toney.


What about beating a Toney that beat the likes of McCallum, Nunn, Johnson, and Jirov? Or are we only focusing on the negatives?


And who else absolutely and thoroughly dominated James Toney like Jones did? People blow a load over the fact that Joe Calzaghe shut out an extremely limited fighter in Jeff Lacy and yet try to minimize Roy Jones shutting out a great fighter in James Toney. :lol:

[sitiyzal]

he didn't beat anyone as good as gonzales in his prime wo you don't know what you're talking about.



hill was 33 but prime but darius is 35 and shot..talk about talking out of your ass:deal you can't have it both ways chief..if hill was prime at 33 darius was prime at 35.



now you are comparing virgil hill to bernard hopkins..virgil hill is two steps below hopkins, toney, and the other greats..virgil hill lost to an old tommy hearns, and you call him prime and elite at the age of 33:admin:admin:admin

:lol: this turd has absolutely no idea what he's on about.

talk about talking out of your ass:deal

:nut

[My2Sense]

this is not HOF calibre opposition:deal roy koed virgil hill before darius got to him, same goes to richard hall. darius was feeding off roy's scraps for years no way is that a good victory darius has done nothing special with his career:deal

When the fuck did he do that??

First you say this:

darius lost to julio gonzales..a guy roy koed in 6:deal


Now, you mention a fight in which Hill was KO'd prior to fighting Dariusz.

What are all these fucking mystery fights you keep pointing to??

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

Now, you mention a fight in which Hill was KO'd prior to fighting Dariusz.

What are all these fucking mystery fights you keep pointing to??


I thought Hill went the distance with Michalczewski?

[My2Sense]

Would have been a good win at the time but no better than Hill, Toney, McCallum, Hopkins etc.

Hill had just gotten the shit beaten out of him by Dariusz before Roy beat him. Beating Dariusz at that time would've been far bigger than beating Hill.

Hopkins and McCallum are questionable as well. Hops was only a rising contender when Roy beat him, and perhaps not even among the top 5 in his division yet. McCallum had just been upset by Tiozzo and was no longer rated among the very top of his division. Conversely, Dariusz was considered the #1 best and most distinguished opponent available for Roy at LHW for quite some time.

[My2Sense]

I thought Hill went the distance with Michalczewski?

He did.

[andyZOR]

It doesn't matter if he went the distance or not. A win is a win.

Hill was a great boxer who could trouble a lot of boxers and had a fantastic chin.

[asero]

As the resume counting, beating DM would be top 3 below beating Toney
at 168 and getting (or being "awarded" with) historical title from Ruiz.
Beating Hopkins early is just not bigger than winning other single titles at LHW.

If the titles were not involved then beating prime DM would be much better
that beating green Hopkins, weight drained Toney or limited Ruiz
(who btw was also fighting against J. Nady that night).

but a DM win that could have put, would put jones way ahead of spinks in the LW list. and put cosiderable distance against bhop in ATG

[jaffay]

I remember Michalczewski statements that he "would fight Roy Jones Jr. for free"... yeah right. It was all about money, they both didn't want to fight till the money is good. There were also issues about location of the fight - Germany or USA.