Where did it all go wrong for "The Man"

[JOSEY WALES]

Ive been away for a while pondering where it all went wrong for Anthony Mundine and came to this concluson . for my two bob's worth i reckon it was when JOE CALZAGHE shit out of a fight with the " Superman" that is Mundine, IF Joe had fought him Choc would now have been the former Undisputed 168lbs fighter on the planet and Ring Mag L/Heavweight champ as he would have easily destroyed Calzaghe , Kessler and Bernard Hopkins . Choc would have been home and hosed now if it wasn't that Joe Calzaghe and his ducking :deal Makes me sick :fire

[flamengo]

Josey. honestly... its hard to say where it all went wrong. We would have to begin with Mundines attitude, mouth, Management, lack of 'genuine' credibility regarding match-ups and willingness to move on to a higher level. That being said... I'm probably incorrect.

Its a career that becomes very hard to fathom and give a fair perspective on. Other than to say, what a fucking waste. The likes of Ambrose Palmer, Johnny Lewis or Jack Rennie may have produced a few more action bouts for Mundine.

The game appears to be a sad joke for Mundine... or, it may be the reverse.

[TheDuke]

Ive been away for a while pondering where it all went wrong for Anthony Mundine and came to this concluson . for my two bob's worth i reckon it was when JOE CALZAGHE shit out of a fight with the " Superman" that is Mundine, IF Joe had fought him Choc would now have been the former Undisputed 168lbs fighter on the planet and Ring Mag L/Heavweight champ as he would have easily destroyed Calzaghe , Kessler and Bernard Hopkins . Choc would have been home and hosed now if it wasn't that Joe Calzaghe and his ducking :deal Makes me sick :fire

Good points but I feel the Man was disheartened when RJJ beat him to the Heavyweight belt. Mundine had been planning to jump up to that division except he was willing to meet one of the Klits. However, Jones beat him to it, Choc had to lose that 40 lbs of muscle he had put on very quickly, that meant that by the time he faced Kessler he had all the odds against him. Anyone who knows boxing knows Mundine clearly won the Kessler fight but when the decision went aginst him his heart was broken. Ever since then he has defeated all comers but all potential opponents know how dangerous he is for not much reward so they are ducking him. He has even tried to throw a few fights to throw off the superman aura he has but he is that good that even whne he tries to lose - he wins.

My heart goes out to him

[JOSEY WALES]

Josey. honestly... its hard to say where it all went wrong. We would have to begin with Mundines attitude, mouth, Management, lack of 'genuine' credibility regarding match-ups and willingness to move on to a higher level. That being said... I'm probably incorrect.

Its a career that becomes very hard to fathom and give a fair perspective on. Other than to say, what a fucking waste. The likes of Ambrose Palmer, Johnny Lewis or Jack Rennie may have produced a few more action bouts for Mundine.

The game appears to be a sad joke for Mundine... or, it may be the reverse.

Flamer , This thread was intended as a bit of a joke as we seem to be snowed under with Mundine threads here lol ,however . seriously what a waste of space this fella is , he had the talent to give this sport a real go and the world champs a real run for their money however he chose the money instead of pestige, someone should have told him alongside the glory comes a shit load of cash mate . what a waste is all i can figure of this bloke :-(

[ashley]

Another Mundine thread....these closet lovers will never stop :rofl

[JOSEY WALES]

Good points but I feel the Man was disheartened when RJJ beat him to the Heavyweight belt. Mundine had been planning to jump up to that division except he was willing to meet one of the Klits. However, Jones beat him to it, Choc had to lose that 40 lbs of muscle he had put on very quickly, that meant that by the time he faced Kessler he had all the odds against him. Anyone who knows boxing knows Mundine clearly won the Kessler fight but when the decision went aginst him his heart was broken. Ever since then he has defeated all comers but all potential opponents know how dangerous he is for not much reward so they are ducking him. He has even tried to throw a few fights to throw off the superman aura he has but he is that good that even whne he tries to lose - he wins.

My heart goes out to him

100% correct Duke , i applaude your knowledge , these knockers know not what they doeth :good

[JOSEY WALES]

Ps Duke , And he won the Ottke fight , Temple shots should be outlawed , they could cause a fighter damage if delivered correctly . ASH ive tried to surpress my love for Anthony for far too long now , i only started on him in a negative fashion because Teke seemed to love him more .

[TheDuke]

I feel sorry for you and Teke cause neither you really know how to truly love the Man like i do

[flamengo]

Shit....!! Sorry Ash, just had to respond to Josey's words. The career of the MAN leaves us all perplexed, and intrigued as to what may happen next. Been waiting too long to see waht happens next though. Dont have to take any wild guess.... as the actual events will be even wilder... Good on you for asking Josey, as you can see.. the Mundine saga is still tiresome mate, and the questions will continue, as will the hopes... seemingly, all in vain. Alas, dont be suprised if 30 posts appear on this particular thread mate. Cheers Josey.

[JOSEY WALES]

Shit....!! Sorry Ash, just had to respond to Josey's words. The career of the MAN leaves us all perplexed, and intrigued as to what may happen next. Been waiting too long to see waht happens next though. Dont have to take any wild guess.... as the actual events will be even wilder... Good on you for asking Josey, as you can see.. the Mundine saga is still tiresome mate, and the questions will continue, as will the hopes... seemingly, all in vain. Alas, dont be suprised if 30 posts appear on this particular thread mate. Cheers Josey.

I was hoping to get at least 10 replies Flamer mate :good

[JOSEY WALES]

Ps i was looking forward to Marcus and Mutley's response in particular lol

[JOSEY WALES]

I feel sorry for you and Teke cause neither you really know how to truly love the Man like i do

No way mate , Choc is more well known than Bradman & Clay put together . :deal

[ashley]

I have a great idea...why dont all you haters stop posting and making threads about Mundine and then we will only see threads around his fights.

As fransis would put it Mundines only 2 fans are on this site....funny mate but we never start any threads other than fight times...99% of the threads are started by haters.

If your so sick of Mundine stop talking about him

[JOSEY WALES]

I have a great idea...why dont all you haters stop posting and making threads about Mundine and then we will only see threads around his fights.

As fransis would put it Mundines only 2 fans are on this site....funny mate but we never start any threads other than fight times...99% of the threads are started by haters.

If your so sick of Mundine stop talking about him

No way Ash , Mundine our leader is on the verge of securing a fantastic fight v the winner of Pav v AA in unification battle that will involve his WBCUFA title we need to keep the pressure up to secure said fight . Choc will thank us for it when we enter Choctopia .:deal

[TheDuke]

Ashley, You are tripping bro. Are you CIA? Are you here to fucking pour water on the flame in our hearts? The one that burns so intensely for Choc? If so, please take your negativity to another thread and leave this one alone.

[JOSEY WALES]

Ashley, You are tripping bro. Are you CIA? Are you here to fucking pour water on the flame in our hearts? The one that burns so intensely for Choc? If so, please take your negativity to another thread and leave this one alone.

:good Gotta run lads , Pavlik's fight with Rubio is starting another re run on Setanta sports channel , ( gotta make some notes on how Choc will beat him ) ....:yep

[ashley]

You are funny guys.......delusional but funny :yep......you have been in the closet way 2 long...you can PM Sallywinder if you want some Mundine posters

[flamengo]

I have a great idea...why dont all you haters stop posting and making threads about Mundine and then we will only see threads around his fights.

As fransis would put it Mundines only 2 fans are on this site....funny mate but we never start any threads other than fight times...99% of the threads are started by haters.

If your so sick of Mundine stop talking about him

Ash, chill mate... I like Mundine, and his ability...... just like to see it truly tested oneday. The managerial situation is nothingless than a joke. No better than a Real Estate Agent selling land in the summer time, thats subject to flooding in winter. It soon becomes a sad venture to but into.

[ashley]

Ash, chill mate... I like Mundine, and his ability...... just like to see it truly tested oneday. The managerial situation is nothingless than a joke. No better than a Real Estate Agent selling land in the summer time, thats subject to flooding in winter. It soon becomes a sad venture to but into.

Funny you say that...over here they sell land in the winter that floods in the summer......anyway Mundine will have 1 or 2 big fights....we will just have to sit through the rest of the shit in the middle

[flamengo]

Funny you say that...over here they sell land in the winter that floods in the summer......anyway Mundine will have 1 or 2 big fights....we will just have to sit through the rest of the shit in the middle


Jeezz ..Ash, is Khodder selling Real estate there mate????

[ashley]

Jeezz ..Ash, is Khodder selling Real estate there mate????

No but I am :hey:hey:hey

[flamengo]

Ok Ash.... will come and see you in the winter time... need 1/4 acre, with full acre potential.... and the boat ramp must be at the garage door. Cheers.... Location, Location, Location!!

[ashley]

Ok Ash.... will come and see you in the winter time... need 1/4 acre, with full acre potential.... and the boat ramp must be at the garage door. Cheers.... Location, Location, Location!!

The boat ramp will be at the door in wet season for sure mate.

[ipswich express]

:good Gotta run lads , Pavlik's fight with Rubio is starting another re run on Setanta sports channel , ( gotta make some notes on how Choc will beat him ) ....:yep

You won't need a pen and paper...

[JOSEY WALES]

You won't need a pen and paper...

After watching that prefomance by Pavlik i would fancy AA to do a number on him , when Rubio actually threw some leather Pavlik looked average to say the least . Calzaghe would have boxed the snot out of him .

[ashley]

After watching that prefomance by Pavlik i would fancy AA to do a number on him , when Rubio actually threw some leather Pavlik looked average to say the least . Calzaghe would have boxed the snot out of him .

Pav is a great fighter and has some great wins however he comes forward and tends to waist punches a bit much for #1 in the world....I dont think Mundine will beat him but Mundine will look going down on points.

Mundines speed is better than Rubio and when he let go Pav was quiet...if Mundine could let go he may win some big fights...only problem is if you let go you are in range to be hit and pav would have 10cm reach on Mundine.

[pecks]

The Ottke loss took a big chunk out of his confidence. Before then, he was planning to shock the world.
The plan was to simply start up boxing, and become world champion as quick as possible. Since that KO, he's took a somewhat tentative approach, and has been fairly reluctant to take much risk along the way inbetween title bouts.

I think he started to peak during the Kessler fight, and his purple patch was from around the Green fight till a fight or two after the 2nd Soliman fight. After Green he should have simply took his career to the US, or at least try to build a career.

Fighting can after can will only hurt you when the time comes to fight a champion type fighter. Against cans, you can afford to fuck up a bit, and I'd imagine Mundine would have got fairly complacent during these fights. Had he have fought winnable yet still top 10-15 ranked opposition instead, like guys like Ruben Williams, Omar Sheika, etc, he'd more than likely get these mistakes out of his system and improve himself.

So...IMO, the Ottke fight, and his decision to fight cans after the Green fight etc, was where it all went wrong for the guy.

[pecks]

someone should have told him alongside the glory comes a shit load of cash mate . what a waste is all i can figure of this bloke :-(
True, but Mundine didn't have the ability to be able to attract big money fights in the US. At best he'd have been the main undercard for a HBO fight, but thats about it. I doubt he'd have been able to fight for a million plus per fight over there.
Financially, he's done pretty fucking good for himself, but at the end of the day, great fighters look back upon the titles they won and the names they beat, not how much money they earnt.

[JOSEY WALES]

I Can't really disagree with any of that lads , Mundine will really look back at his career Twenty years down the road and shudder at all the bullshit that surrounded it , i suspect he as Pecks indicated had zero intention of stepping it up post Kessler imo during that fight it dawned on him that he just didn't have enough to win a legit title when there were blokes like Calzaghe & Kessler walking the planet , there are a couple of ways in which he can redeem himself though in my eyes , one would be to fight a Pavlik / AA sort of guy , the other fight Carl froch at 168lbs in an attempt to silence his critics . if he fought in either bout it would automatically wipe ALL tho cab drivers off his resume in one fight alone imo .

[pecks]

if he fought in either bout it would automatically wipe ALL tho cab drivers off his resume in one fight alone imo .You know that Nader Hamden actually was a cab driver?! :yep

[IrnBruMan]

Where? Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.

When? 01/12/2001

Who? Sven Ottke

Up until that point Mundine was an over-confident, cocky, arrogant, outspoken dick. He had gotten away with years of being a cocky cunt in the 13-a-side game, because of his skills, and because he had 12 teammates out on the field to hide behind. When someone finally shut him up at training, he decided footy wasn't for him and switched to boxing.

He managed to put the humiliating decking at training behind him in his new sport, and started to build up his cockiness again, fighting retirees, nobodies and bums, until the day once again arrived where his confidence soared sky high and he felt ready for a world title shot against the weakest SMW world champ with the lowest knock out percentage. His confidence even allowed him to state that his upcoming opponent 'hit like a girl.'

Ottke struck the fear of God, or Allah, or the Rainbow Serpent, or whatever he fucking believes in, in him that night and knocked him the fuck out with an innocuous temple shot. Even Mundine's personal nutsack cleaner Barry Michaels, can be heard on the commentary, confusion mixed with his disappointment, saying "Unusual for a temple shot to knock you out".

After that night, Mundine became an under-confident, nervous, obnoxious, loudmouthed prick, and his fans did their level best to make every excuse under the sun for Mundine's loss - he had the flu, he had no sparring before the fight, a ping pong ball can knock you out if it hits you in the right place, he was winning the fight until Ottke's lucky shot, etc. They hoped to erase that most embarrassing incident from Mundine's career - many of them were banned from BOXREC for trying to edit Mundine's record page by removing the Ottke fight from all existence...one particularly avid Mundine fan, located in Canberra, wasn't seen for weeks, until he emerged from the darkness one day, blinking in the sunlight, muttering something about a DeLorean motor car, a flux capacitor, and one point twenty one jigawatts.

But alas, no amount of around-the-clock nuthugging could undo what had been done...no matter how hard the fans tried, they couldn't make Mundine himself forget that humiliating night.

That's what happened to 'The Man' :yep

[ashley]

You know that Nader Hamden actually was a cab driver?! :yep

Still is I think......I think he owns one anyway.....I think Hamden should still fight on......Green VS Hamden will follow after Green VS Taylor.

If Green wants Mundine at LHW he will need to wait 18 months at least....if he goes down to SMW maybe only 12 months....I guess it depends on if Mundine gets a shot at Sturm or a vacant title......donrt matter if he wins or gets beaten he will move up then.

Dont think Mundine will take on Pav or AA

Mundine will have to settle for top 3 to 7 in each division cause thats all hes going to get....but thats great anyway.

[roscoe]

Spot on Inbru. Ottke made him quit & he knows it. I think it was all too soon for him after only 10 fights to be fighting Ottke over in Germany. He ran out of legs &had nowhere to hide. Getting stopped by a feather fister such as Otkke done a lot of mental damage to the so called man.

[stiflers mum]

when the prick knocked on over the try line in the 99 grand final .

[IrnBruMan]

when the prick knocked on over the try line in the 99 grand final .

:lol:

In the context of this thread being posted in a BOXING forum, I think my answer is more appropriate than yours, but yes, I tend to agree with you :yep

Hey, does anyone remember how he got robbed the night of his first fight vs Zohs? It was on the news, while he and his family were all at the Ent Cent for his big debut, someone broke into their house and stole all of his jeans :rofl

His Mum was saying "We know who it is"...prolly some scummy Redfern associate of his...or maybe his cousin Wes Craven? :lol: :yep

[smellmyfinger]

Ive been away for a while pondering where it all went wrong for Anthony Mundine and came to this concluson . for my two bob's worth i reckon it was when JOE CALZAGHE shit out of a fight with the " Superman" that is Mundine, IF Joe had fought him Choc would now have been the former Undisputed 168lbs fighter on the planet and Ring Mag L/Heavweight champ as he would have easily destroyed Calzaghe , Kessler and Bernard Hopkins . Choc would have been home and hosed now if it wasn't that Joe Calzaghe and his ducking :deal Makes me sick :fire


Josey, u have now lowered yourself to those who start rediculous Mundine threads for no reason and then complain that there's too many Mundine threads. Shame on u.:verysad

[smellmyfinger]

Oh, and what u say is true:deal:lol:

[smellmyfinger]

Where? Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.

When? 01/12/2001

Who? Sven Ottke

Up until that point Mundine was an over-confident, cocky, arrogant, outspoken dick. He had gotten away with years of being a cocky cunt in the 13-a-side game, because of his skills, and because he had 12 teammates out on the field to hide behind. When someone finally shut him up at training, he decided footy wasn't for him and switched to boxing.

He managed to put the humiliating decking at training behind him in his new sport, and started to build up his cockiness again, fighting retirees, nobodies and bums, until the day once again arrived where his confidence soared sky high and he felt ready for a world title shot against the weakest SMW world champ with the lowest knock out percentage. His confidence even allowed him to state that his upcoming opponent 'hit like a girl.'

Ottke struck the fear of God, or Allah, or the Rainbow Serpent, or whatever he fucking believes in, in him that night and knocked him the fuck out with an innocuous temple shot. Even Mundine's personal nutsack cleaner Barry Michaels, can be heard on the commentary, confusion mixed with his disappointment, saying "Unusual for a temple shot to knock you out".

After that night, Mundine became an under-confident, nervous, obnoxious, loudmouthed prick, and his fans did their level best to make every excuse under the sun for Mundine's loss - he had the flu, he had no sparring before the fight, a ping pong ball can knock you out if it hits you in the right place, he was winning the fight until Ottke's lucky shot, etc. They hoped to erase that most embarrassing incident from Mundine's career - many of them were banned from BOXREC for trying to edit Mundine's record page by removing the Ottke fight from all existence...one particularly avid Mundine fan, located in Canberra, wasn't seen for weeks, until he emerged from the darkness one day, blinking in the sunlight, muttering something about a DeLorean motor car, a flux capacitor, and one point twenty one jigawatts.

But alas, no amount of around-the-clock nuthugging could undo what had been done...no matter how hard the fans tried, they couldn't make Mundine himself forget that humiliating night.

That's what happened to 'The Man' :yep

Totally disagree.

I cant see how that could be where it went wrong, when he reached greater heights later in his career.

After Siaca, Mundine realised he was fighting a terrible style that doesnt last at the top. He went away and worked on fighting at a closer distance, and using more sideways movement rather than just running.

He reached his peak around Kessler, Green and Soliman 2.

His decision to not step up again at this time is where he went wrong. Yeh, u might argue that decision comes back to the Ottke loss, but i cant see that at all. I believe the Ottke loss has no effect on his current psych. He's fought better fighters than Ottke since and those better fighters were even bigger punchers.

At the time he lost to Kessler, he and everybody else realised just how good he could be if he moved forward from that fight similar to how he did after Siaca. Sadly, he only moved forward a little, and his lack of continual high class opponants saw him lose whatever he did gain from the Kessler fight, leaving him where he is now, in no mans land.

I believe Mundine has lost all faith in his ability, and believes he's missed his chance.

It wasnt Ottke, it was Mundine's inability to seize the moment when it presented itself.

[boxon123]

It all went wrong for mundine at the same point it does for most boxers. They open there month and out it comes.Maybe they should bar all sportsmen from speaking in public.

[TheDuke]

Khoder Nasser

[sallywinder]

khoder nasser

[grazz1971]

i t went wrong the day the prick was born

[the beaver]

At school.

What were the teachers thinking.

How can a young man come through the schooling system and not string 2 words together :huh

It's not like he left in year 9 to do a trade or something, he went all the way through to 18yrs. I believe he completed the HSC :patsch

[flamengo]

With the current crop of M/W champ, Mundine a very good chance of defeating two of them, without too much risk of injury. Pav and Sturm, neither has a threatening style, clearly Pav is the more in-ya-face fighter, although Mundine is not an easy man to tag cleanly..... especially when he is thinking, or fighting in fear.

Perhaps he has an issue with losing the title???? Or defending the title..... Jeez... two titles are literally there for the taking... fuck it, lets chase the IBO instead... go figure!!!!

[TheDuke]

Boxing is such an amazing sport to follow. Last year people were wondering if Pavlik was gonna knock Hopkins out when he inevitably won the fight. Now some people think Mundine could beat Pavlik???????????????????????

[pecks]

Totally disagree.

I cant see how that could be where it went wrong, when he reached greater heights later in his career.

After Siaca, Mundine realised he was fighting a terrible style that doesnt last at the top. He went away and worked on fighting at a closer distance, and using more sideways movement rather than just running.

He reached his peak around Kessler, Green and Soliman 2.

His decision to not step up again at this time is where he went wrong. Yeh, u might argue that decision comes back to the Ottke loss, but i cant see that at all. I believe the Ottke loss has no effect on his current psych. He's fought better fighters than Ottke since and those better fighters were even bigger punchers.

At the time he lost to Kessler, he and everybody else realised just how good he could be if he moved forward from that fight similar to how he did after Siaca. Sadly, he only moved forward a little, and his lack of continual high class opponants saw him lose whatever he did gain from the Kessler fight, leaving him where he is now, in no mans land.

I believe Mundine has lost all faith in his ability, and believes he's missed his chance.

It wasnt Ottke, it was Mundine's inability to seize the moment when it presented itself.He did reach greater heights after the Ottke fight, but I believe he was still haunted by that KO.
Although he won the Echolls fight, it was a pretty poor advertisement for boxing that night. All he did was run, hold, and jab, and had the ref been a bit mopre ballsier, he might not have got away with a lot of what he did.
The
Siaca fight was just plain awful. Stipe Drews effort against Green is the only one I've seen worse than it.

I still maintain that the Ottke fight, and his unwillinbgness to step it up and actually learn more is where it went wrong for him.
Funnily enough, from what I've seen lately, he doesn't seem that afraid to get hit these days.
He's done now anyway. His power is gone, which is what would have made him somewhat lethal at middleweight if he could have maintained it. His purple patch was lost on guys like Ecousta, Hamden, and other future Zelenoff opponents.

I disagree with Ottke being the weakest champ though. He was certainly rated better than Mitchell, and Beyer. At the time, many rated him the man at 168 (though only because he had been champ the longest), and Calzaghe was itching to go at him. A Calzaghe/Ottke fight would have been the best 2 champs in the division, but Ottke wanted none of it. Smart guy.

[JOSEY WALES]

You know that Nader Hamden actually was a cab driver?! :yep

:lol: Well i did't actually , well maybe if he fought AA as well as Pavlik it eventhings out ( ish ) .


Originally Posted by IrnBruMan [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Where? Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.

When? 01/12/2001

Who? Sven Ottke

Up until that point Mundine was an over-confident, cocky, arrogant, outspoken dick. He had gotten away with years of being a cocky cunt in the 13-a-side game, because of his skills, and because he had 12 teammates out on the field to hide behind. When someone finally shut him up at training, he decided footy wasn't for him and switched to boxing.

He managed to put the humiliating decking at training behind him in his new sport, and started to build up his cockiness again, fighting retirees, nobodies and bums, until the day once again arrived where his confidence soared sky high and he felt ready for a world title shot against the weakest SMW world champ with the lowest knock out percentage. His confidence even allowed him to state that his upcoming opponent 'hit like a girl.'

Ottke struck the fear of God, or Allah, or the Rainbow Serpent, or whatever he fucking believes in, in him that night and knocked him the fuck out with an innocuous temple shot. Even Mundine's personal nutsack cleaner Barry Michaels, can be heard on the commentary, confusion mixed with his disappointment, saying "Unusual for a temple shot to knock you out".

After that night, Mundine became an under-confident, nervous, obnoxious, loudmouthed prick, and his fans did their level best to make every excuse under the sun for Mundine's loss - he had the flu, he had no sparring before the fight, a ping pong ball can knock you out if it hits you in the right place, he was winning the fight until Ottke's lucky shot, etc. They hoped to erase that most embarrassing incident from Mundine's career - many of them were banned from BOXREC for trying to edit Mundine's record page by removing the Ottke fight from all existence...one particularly avid Mundine fan, located in Canberra, wasn't seen for weeks, until he emerged from the darkness one day, blinking in the sunlight, muttering something about a DeLorean motor car, a flux capacitor, and one point twenty one jigawatts.

But alas, no amount of around-the-clock nuthugging could undo what had been done...no matter how hard the fans tried, they couldn't make Mundine himself forget that humiliating night.

That's what happened to 'The Man' :yep


Now thats just plain some of the most hilerious shit ive ever read on the net mate . LMFAO @ That :lol::lol::lol:

Sally , Sorry mate i was bored lol ....Still the counter is approching 50 posts so i cant complain .

[THN]

Nothing went wrong for the man, he used hes mouth and earned millions of dollars, it only went wrong for the fans who acatually belived in what he said!

[JOSEY WALES]

Nothing went wrong for the man, he used hes mouth and earned millions of dollars, it only went wrong for the fans who acatually belived in what he said!

Another good post , BTW Whats happening with Kessler ? IS he fighting Mads or what ?

[IrnBruMan]

He did reach greater heights after the Ottke fight, but I believe he was still haunted by that KO.
Although he won the Echolls fight, it was a pretty poor advertisement for boxing that night. All he did was run, hold, and jab, and had the ref been a bit mopre ballsier, he might not have got away with a lot of what he did.
The
Siaca fight was just plain awful. Stipe Drews effort against Green is the only one I've seen worse than it.

I still maintain that the Ottke fight, and his unwillinbgness to step it up and actually learn more is where it went wrong for him.
Funnily enough, from what I've seen lately, he doesn't seem that afraid to get hit these days.
He's done now anyway. His power is gone, which is what would have made him somewhat lethal at middleweight if he could have maintained it. His purple patch was lost on guys like Ecousta, Hamden, and other future Zelenoff opponents.

I disagree with Ottke being the weakest champ though. He was certainly rated better than Mitchell, and Beyer. At the time, many rated him the man at 168 (though only because he had been champ the longest), and Calzaghe was itching to go at him. A Calzaghe/Ottke fight would have been the best 2 champs in the division, but Ottke wanted none of it. Smart guy.

Beyer had 10 KOs on his record by 2001, Mitchell had 17.

Calzaghe had 27 :scaredas:

Ottke had 3.:lol:

I think people were itching to fight him because they knew he was there for the taking but for the German officials always scoring in his favour, not because he was recognised as the man at SMW at the time.

I think Mundine went into the fight too cocky because he believed Ottke was an easy beat, and he ended up getting flattened. Too much pride before a BIG fall is what fucked Mundine up :yep

[IrnBruMan]

:lol: Well i did't actually , well maybe if he fought AA as well as Pavlik it eventhings out ( ish ) .


Originally Posted by IrnBruMan [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Where? Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.

When? 01/12/2001

Who? Sven Ottke

Up until that point Mundine was an over-confident, cocky, arrogant, outspoken dick. He had gotten away with years of being a cocky cunt in the 13-a-side game, because of his skills, and because he had 12 teammates out on the field to hide behind. When someone finally shut him up at training, he decided footy wasn't for him and switched to boxing.

He managed to put the humiliating decking at training behind him in his new sport, and started to build up his cockiness again, fighting retirees, nobodies and bums, until the day once again arrived where his confidence soared sky high and he felt ready for a world title shot against the weakest SMW world champ with the lowest knock out percentage. His confidence even allowed him to state that his upcoming opponent 'hit like a girl.'

Ottke struck the fear of God, or Allah, or the Rainbow Serpent, or whatever he fucking believes in, in him that night and knocked him the fuck out with an innocuous temple shot. Even Mundine's personal nutsack cleaner Barry Michaels, can be heard on the commentary, confusion mixed with his disappointment, saying "Unusual for a temple shot to knock you out".

After that night, Mundine became an under-confident, nervous, obnoxious, loudmouthed prick, and his fans did their level best to make every excuse under the sun for Mundine's loss - he had the flu, he had no sparring before the fight, a ping pong ball can knock you out if it hits you in the right place, he was winning the fight until Ottke's lucky shot, etc. They hoped to erase that most embarrassing incident from Mundine's career - many of them were banned from BOXREC for trying to edit Mundine's record page by removing the Ottke fight from all existence...one particularly avid Mundine fan, located in Canberra, wasn't seen for weeks, until he emerged from the darkness one day, blinking in the sunlight, muttering something about a DeLorean motor car, a flux capacitor, and one point twenty one jigawatts.

But alas, no amount of around-the-clock nuthugging could undo what had been done...no matter how hard the fans tried, they couldn't make Mundine himself forget that humiliating night.

That's what happened to 'The Man' :yep


Now thats just plain some of the most hilerious shit ive ever read on the net mate . LMFAO @ That :lol::lol::lol:

Sally , Sorry mate i was bored lol ....Still the counter is approching 50 posts so i cant complain .

:yep I knew you'd like that Josey :lol:

[Rodin]

What about a Mundine thread. I'm sure someone will show an interest. :nut:nut

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[pecks]

Beyer had 10 KOs on his record by 2001, Mitchell had 17.

Calzaghe had 27 :scaredas:

Ottke had 3.:lol:

I think people were itching to fight him because they knew he was there for the taking but for the German officials always scoring in his favour, not because he was recognised as the man at SMW at the time.

I think Mundine went into the fight too cocky because he believed Ottke was an easy beat, and he ended up getting flattened. Too much pride before a BIG fall is what fucked Mundine up :yepI never said he was a renowned KO artist. I just said that he definitely wasn't the weakest SMW in the division. He was the champ most people wanted to take out the most, and IMO, was 2nd best only to Calzaghe.

[smallsteps]

The answer to Where did it all go wrong for "The Man" might be when he picked opponents like Lester Ellis,Crazy Kim and shannon Taylor.Mundine made heaps of money and that is what being a pro boxer is mainly about.Mundine has crossed the line and will be veiwed by a lot of people as someone wasted his vast skill and determination as a fighter and is now seen as a fighter/circus act.

[konaman]

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[TheDuke]

21/08/1974

[THN]

Another good post , BTW Whats happening with Kessler ? IS he fighting Mads or what ?
I have no idea, I think he's buzzy getting a new manager, but no news from Denmark, shit!!!!!

[JOSEY WALES]

I have no idea, I think he's buzzy getting a new manager, but no news from Denmark, shit!!!!!

Larsen's career took a nose dive when he got into conflict with Mogan's Palle apparently and the fella didn't fight for years after , lets hope Kessler ain't walking the same road as Mad's , inactivity is a killer when your a player @ the highest level in this sport . Kessler needs to sort his shit out mate ..............RAPID :deal

[JOSEY WALES]

I never said he was a renowned KO artist. I just said that he definitely wasn't the weakest SMW in the division. He was the champ most people wanted to take out the most, and IMO, was 2nd best only to Calzaghe.

Peck , although Ottke was a tad under rated , a decent shout could be made that a few blokes were better than him at the time , IF he had fought outside "Da Fatherland " that is .

[pecks]

Peck , although Ottke was a tad under rated , a decent shout could be made that a few blokes were better than him at the time , IF he had fought outside "Da Fatherland " that is .Totally agree, and I didn't mean to imply that he was the reigning king of the division or anything. But, he was considered better than Mitchell, and Beyer, and at the time, many considered him the division champion ahead of Calzaghe, though mainly because he had been champ longer I think.
Calzaghe knew this, and tried his best to get him to fight him, but Ottke wanted no part of it obviously.
Both Ottke and Beyer were almost perfectly managed by Saurland (sp). He pretty much squeezed every bit of success he could out of both of them, and left nothing over.
We know that Mundine is pretty cautious and selective now, but at the time, he was simply going to jump into boxing, and beat the champion as soon as he could get a crack at him.