Arthur Abraham vs Jermain Taylor [Archive]

Odo

08-19-2007, 11:54 AM

who wins?

I would bet my money on the Armenian puncher.In yesterday's fight he proved that he rules the roost.
Gevor made the water extremely hot for his compatriot,and might have won a close point decision if he had fought a little bit more cauitiously.
To top it all their encounter was pure fun to watch.The crowd gave standing ovations,and went emotionally beserk quite a few times during the great battle between Gevor and Abraham.
Abraham also took some good shots,and remained cool as a cucumber despite being under heavy fire several times .
Gevor was a great opponent,certainly better than Ikeke,Miranda,or fighters like Gainer or Jantuah.
I cant really see Jermain Taylor winning a fight against the present version of Artur Abraham,but I can be wrong of course.

Guido

08-19-2007, 12:02 PM

Taylor could outwork/outbox Abraham quite easily, but the way he's been performing as of late I wouldn't bet the rent on it.

The way things have played out in the MW division as of late, I'd rate this as a pick'em fight -- Abraham for his power and pressure, Taylor for his athleticism and heart.

Amsterdam

08-19-2007, 12:05 PM

Abraham by KO, easily. Taylor's never faced a true MW puncher.

Quik

08-19-2007, 12:19 PM

Abraham by late KO or TKO. I don't see Taylor taking Abraham's punches. When Pavlik will be done with Taylor, I would see a fight beetween him and King Arthur. It should be very entertaining.

brooklyn1550

08-19-2007, 12:27 PM

Taylor can win a decision against Abraham by using his jab, keeping him at a distance, and outworking him, but Abraham has the power to stop him and the strength to rough him up. Jermain Taylor is an excellent fighter and so is Arthur Abraham - 50/50 fight.

darkness

08-19-2007, 12:28 PM

taylor will dance around and avoid the power and outbox him for a boring SD.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 12:37 PM

Abraham cannot box that good and has ok power. The guy GREVOR was a complete and total C fighter with NO power on his punches no snap or even a Pfff on his jab. Get a grip. Abraham fights in 20 second spurts 3 times a round. Taylor would box his ears off. The jab would kill him. The only thing Abraham has is decent power he is a smart fighter and he can fight backing up. Thats about it. Miranda whooped his ass. Taylor would box his ass up. That KO was a good KO but the guy was open for that punch the whole fight. He was swinging wildly in close without moving his head and he caught a sharp uppercut right on the chin that he didnt see. I dont see taylor swarming Abraham smothering his punches with no power...lol. Abraham is too lazy to beat taylor.

Tom_Tocca

08-19-2007, 12:38 PM

AA would KO JT in the latter rounds...

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 12:43 PM

wow I can't beleave what I just read AA got his ass handed to him by a limited Miranda no way he ever beats JT.

BobDigi5060

08-19-2007, 12:45 PM

Abraham by KO, easily. Taylor's never faced a true MW puncher.

I don't want to sound ignorant and dismiss you're comment because I've only seen highlights of Abraham.. But don't you think he is a little small to threaten JT in such way?

Checked boxrec and he KO'd his first 13 opponents so that says something. I bet he has looked good in doing it, but is he really that serious of a puncher? Because if Hopkins couldn't come close to doing so how could a unknown like Abraham do it? Maybe that's why he is unknown for the moment :hi:

Irländsk

08-19-2007, 12:53 PM

I say AA by tko in RD9 or 10. JT hasn't shown so much lately, although he is the more skilled fighter, I think AA has more heart, more power, and more killer instinct. Taylors athleticism wouldn't bail him out in this one, as I don't think it will vs. Pavlik either, who I think will KO JT and AA.

Amsterdam

08-19-2007, 12:54 PM

I don't want to sound ignorant and dismiss you're comment because I've only seen highlights of Abraham.. But don't you think he is a little small to threaten JT in such way?

Checked boxrec and he KO'd his first 13 opponents so that says something. I bet he has looked good in doing it, but is he really that serious of a puncher? Because if Hopkins couldn't come close to doing so how could a unknown like Abraham do it? Maybe that's why he is unknown for the moment :hi:

Because Hopkins at +40 was not a puncher by any means. Abraham has good power, enough to KO Taylor. I've seen Taylor buzzed by Winky Wright also, that doesn't look good to me.

Executioner

08-19-2007, 12:57 PM

I don't want to sound ignorant and dismiss you're comment because I've only seen highlights of Abraham.. But don't you think he is a little small to threaten JT in such way?

Checked boxrec and he KO'd his first 13 opponents so that says something. I bet he has looked good in doing it, but is he really that serious of a puncher? Because if Hopkins couldn't come close to doing so how could a unknown like Abraham do it? Maybe that's why he is unknown for the moment :hi:

Abraham is a much harder hitter than Bernard at this stage, he's also not very small.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 12:57 PM

JT is a nightmare for Abraham. Abraham is not a come forward pressure guy and is more of a play possum type counter puncher who fights better backing up. The thing is, if you dont pressure JT and and force him to fight on the inside then he will destroy you. JT would be out of abrahams range and jab shit out of him and pretty much do what he wants to do with abraham being the inactive fighter that he is will not find the faster JT when he wanted to mount his offense. Easy style matchup to call. Yes and Miranda whooped abrahams ass.. The worst decision I have ever seen.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 12:59 PM

Because Hopkins at +40 was not a puncher by any means. Abraham has good power, enough to KO Taylor. I've seen Taylor buzzed by Winky Wright also, that doesn't look good to me.

Yeah, but abraham does not have the skill,defense, ring generalship of hopkins. And abraham would have to fight for more then 60 second of every round. If Miranda was able to crack him with his wild ass shots. The fast handed sharp shooting taylor would disect him. I would love for this fight to happen.

Executioner

08-19-2007, 01:01 PM

nervousxtian

08-19-2007, 01:08 PM

Abraham was getting nailed all night by Gevor, but that guy had no power, Taylor has power.

Grabonator

08-19-2007, 01:09 PM

I would bet my money on the Armenian puncher.In yesterday's fight he proved that he rules the roost.
Gevor made the water extremely hot for his compatriot,and might have won a close point decision if he had fought a little bit more cauitiously.
To top it all their encounter was pure fun to watch.The crowd gave standing ovations,and went emotionally beserk quite a few times during the great battle between Gevor and Abraham.
Abraham also took some good shots,and remained cool as a cucumber despite being under heavy fire several times .
Gevor was a great opponent,certainly better than Ikeke,Miranda,or fighters like Gainer or Jantuah.
I cant really see Jermain Taylor winning a fight against the present version of Artur Abraham,but I can be wrong of course.

Better than Miranda?? Common!!:roll:

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:11 PM

Other way around. If you come towards Taylor, he does better but if you move away, he freezes and stands there like he doesn't know what the fuck to do.

Lol based on what....the only fighters that did well was ones that got in his mugg...Learn what you talk about before posting. I know you are not talking about the Trick skilled hopkins. If that is so Hopkins confuses everybody. If you stand flat footed in front of taylor he will destroy you. Spinks was moving constantly and he had no target and still caught spinks a few time flush moving. lol. Winky came forward as the aggressor. Abraham gets schooled by taylor. Abraham is not the best middleweight. JT is....unless Pavlik changes that I disagree with baseless comments..Like grevor was any good:rofl:rofl:rofl I bet spinks or ouma could beat grevor.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl I am dead serious. :verysad

PATSYS

08-19-2007, 01:12 PM

I would favor Abraham. He would give Taylor trouble the same way Wright did. But the big difference is that Abraham has serious power.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Yes, Abraham is no Hopkins but he hasn´t to be. He has a totally different style. Taylor has not nearly the power Miranda has and Miranda also was only able to land when Abraham opened up.

No I believe he broke abrahams jaw while abraham was against the ropes with his guards up. And Miranda got an uppercut through the guard. And Miranda destroyed abraham to the body when he covered up to the head. Something grevor forgot. There is something called a body punch. Got to love ESB. You go 11 rounds and ko grevor but you KO the JT in 9. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:D

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 01:13 PM

JT would easily beat the shit out of him, i see Pavlik beating him to , AA just isn't that good IMO.

Amsterdam

08-19-2007, 01:14 PM

Yeah, but abraham does not have the skill,defense, ring generalship of hopkins. And abraham would have to fight for more then 60 second of every round. If Miranda was able to crack him with his wild ass shots. The fast handed sharp shooting taylor would disect him. I would love for this fight to happen.

And Taylor hates pressure, even the pressure of the 154 light hitter Ouma did a number on him, all Abraham has to do is pressure and land power shots and he wins.

Taylor is a non-factor, it's just a matter of time.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:16 PM

The boxing knowledge on here is just amazing. Ghevor is a good fighter now....WOW. Ok. A real threat with his piston like jab and vicious flurries. And impregnable defense. He was sorry in every aspect of the boxing. He had nothing. No jab, no power, no defense, no hook. Just average skill.

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 01:17 PM

Watch Taylor-Winky that would be a bit similar to Taylor-Abraham, the difference is Abraham would land less but these shot´s with much more power and even winky backed Taylor up.

AA isn't in Winky's class ( Miranda beat his ass) so that is a poor example. I hope this fight is made soon so JT will get more respect.

Executioner

08-19-2007, 01:19 PM

Lol based on what....the only fighters that did well was ones that got in his mugg...Learn what you talk about before posting. I know you are not talking about the Trick skilled hopkins. If that is so Hopkins confuses everybody. If you stand flat footed in front of taylor he will destroy you. Spinks was moving constantly and he had no target and still caught spinks a few time flush moving. lol. Winky came forward as the aggressor. Abraham gets schooled by taylor. Abraham is not the best middleweight. JT is....unless Pavlik changes that I disagree with baseless comments..Like grevor was any good:rofl:rofl:rofl I bet spinks or ouma could beat grevor.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl I am dead serious. :verysad

Look at the Hopkins and Spinks fights.. they moved and Taylor froze like a lost puppy dog. Then watch Ouma and Wright ..they came towards him and he had an easier time finding them.

:deal

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:20 PM

What fight did you watch? Ghevor constantly threw to the body and did you get that Miranda´s body shots did do nothing to Abraham at all?
So, because Abraham needed 11 rounds for Ghevor and Taylor is better than him you think Taylor would beat Abraham. What a logic. :nut

Oh I see your avatar..lol Like a said. JT is the fucking best middleweight. He is fighting the second best middleweight. Abraham is a guy that got his ass whooped by miranda. Abraham is not a pressure fighter and cannot turn in to one over night. The guy Ghevor was average with no defense and the most pathetic power that I have seen from a middleweight. JT is proven. Abraham just beat Ghevor and got put in the hospital my Miranda. SO you are the :nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut. Remember this is the real world. #1,#2 are fighting. So until that smoke clears..what the fuck are you talking about. Abraham aint beating neither guy. That is why he is where he is b/c he is not that good.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:22 PM

Look at the Hopkins and Spinks fights.. they moved and Taylor froze like a lost puppy dog. Then watch Ouma and Wright ..they came towards him and he had an easier time finding them.

:deal

Point is They were slick fighters that slided and moved and are the best in the business. Lol..Does abraham slide...move.....I dont get it:nut:nut:nut:nut....He does neither. He comes str8 forward or moves str8 back. He rarely comes forward only in spurts. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Executioner

08-19-2007, 01:24 PM

Point is They were slick fighters that slided and moved and are the best in the business. Lol..Does abraham slide...move.....I dont get it:nut:nut:nut:nut....He does neither. He comes str8 forward or moves str8 back. He rarely comes forward only in spurts. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

you've exposed yourself as a guy who hasn't seen many Abraham fights. He moves around the ring, not just straight back. :deal

Spinks the best in the business? Taylor has NO excuse for not knocking him out.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:25 PM

You just made a fool out of youself. The punch Ghevor threw the most was the right hook to Arthur´s body. He showed good defence which consisted of upper body movement, footwork and a high guard, nothing special but good. He has no power right. That he doesn´t use a jab is part of his style, he reminded me a bit of Sam soliman just not as awkward.

Just look what you said.. A RIGHT HOOK TO THE BODY. He was a southpaw with no power and like I said NO DEFENSE. He was open to be countered from every single punch his head movement was ABC, 123 You fucking guys compare this C level guys to fucking well trained fighters you cant notice sub par. WHAT DO YOU THINK JT WOULD TO GHEVOR. OUT OF THERE IN 8 OR LESS..

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 01:26 PM

Sure is Winky above AA. He has the better footwork, workrate, skill, ring generalship but AA has the big punch that makes up for a lot.

Before saying he will KO Taylor he needs to beat good fighters decisively which he hasn't done to support such a claim anyway I would bet big money on JT if and when they ever fight.

Tom_Tocca

08-19-2007, 01:27 PM

Oh I see your avatar..lol Like a said. JT is the fucking best middleweight. He is fighting the second best middleweight. Abraham is a guy that got his ass whooped by miranda. Abraham is not a pressure fighter and cannot turn in to one over night. The guy Ghevor was average with no defense and the most pathetic power that I have seen from a middleweight. JT is proven. Abraham just beat Ghevor and got put in the hospital my Miranda. SO you are the :nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut. Remember this is the real world. #1,#2 are fighting. So until that smoke clears..what the fuck are you talking about. Abraham aint beating neither guy. That is why he is where he is b/c he is not that good.

Some time ago we had a thread were Americans complained about getting flamed by us Europeans - you must have played a big part in this story...you must be screaming "USA!USA!USA!" all day long.
Everyone who is a threat to one of your compatriots must be slammed and hated...it's like the Britains slamming on Mikkel Kessler but even worse...

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 01:28 PM

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:28 PM

you've exposed yourself as a guy who hasn't seen many Abraham fights. He moves around the ring, not just straight back. :deal

Spinks the best in the business? Taylor has NO excuse for not knocking him out.

lalalalalolloolol Ok lets compare...to anyone outside of fucking germany..

Spinks and BHops movement in the ring= second to none of all active fighters both slide and have good footwork.

Abraham= yeah he moves around the ring but what fighter doesnt. Just cause he got legs and moves around the ring so...it is not to his advantage. He does not moved skillfully ...lol I have heard it all.. ....:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut The defense rests..

Executioner

08-19-2007, 01:31 PM

lalalalalolloolol Ok lets compare...to anyone outside of fucking germany..

Spinks and BHops movement in the ring= second to none of all active fighters both slide and have good footwork.

Abraham= yeah he moves around the ring but what fighter doesnt. Just cause he got legs and moves around the ring so...it is not to his advantage. He does not moved skillfully ...lol I have heard it all.. ....:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut:nut The defense rests..

Using emoticons and typing 'lol' numerous times doesn't make your argument any better. Hopkins moved skillfully..but Spinks did not, he fucking RAN!. It's true. Taylor does not like movers, he doesn't like to have to chase guys down. He's better suited when people come to him.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:32 PM

Miranda did not foul shit the whole fucking fight.. ONLY IN GERMANY BUT TO EVERYBODY WHO REWATCHED THAT BULLSHIT NOTICE MIRANDA DID A BABY HEAD BUTT NO LOW BLOWS AT FUCKING ALL SHOTS WERE ALL ON THE BODY. REMEMBER WE GOT REPLAY...LOL BUT HEY THAT IS A YEAR AGO SHIT WE ALREADY CONFIRMED ON ESB THAT MIRANDA WAS FIGHTING THE REF CROWD AND ABRAHAM THAT NIGHT. LIKE I SAID JT THE BEST MIDDLEWEIGHT UNLESS PAVLIKE BEATS HIM. ABRAHAM IS STILL A NOBODY FIGHTING NOBODIES.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:33 PM

So, Ikeke wasn´t a good fighter when AA fought him? He beat better opponents than Pavlik who get´s hyped.

He is an average fighter in every sense of the word. I guess he is better then winky and bhop...lol

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:34 PM

Using emoticons and typing 'lol' numerous times doesn't make your argument any better. Hopkins moved skillfully..but Spinks did not, he fucking RAN!. It's true. Taylor does not like movers, he doesn't like to have to chase guys down. He's better suited when people come to him.

Yeah he ran. But who looks good against spinks. Last time I checked. NOBODY. Who knocked out spinks, Judah that could match his speed. But slow ass abraham in the ring with spinks and you will answer your own bullshit. Abraham would not land anything.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:36 PM

Now you have exposed yourself completly as an unknowledgable hater. Congratulations, you have done this even by yourself without any help. :good

I guess you dont know that majority people in boxing gave acclaim to miranda after that fight and thought he was robbed. I guess you live on planet germany and to majority people that watched the fight thought miranda won and the scorecards and REFEREE was bullshit. Low blows to the body. I already busted the shit up. :lol::lol:

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 01:41 PM

So, Ikeke wasn´t a good fighter when AA fought him? He beat better opponents than Pavlik who get´s hyped.

Decent but nothing special he had already lost to Hanshaw, JT is a hell of a lot better than both IMO as for Pavlik he destroyed the limited fighter who gave AA all he could handle and more.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 01:45 PM

:good:good:goodDecent but nothing special he had already lost to Hanshaw, JT is a hell of a lot better than both IMO as for Pavlik he destroyed the limited fighter who gave AA all he could handle and more.

:good:good:good:good 3/4 of ESB gave Abraham the fight huhh.....wow...Now you are talking out of your ass. No youtube propaganda. Its the fight period. Miranda won. 2 of the point deductions were bullshit. Like Miranda has a history of fighting dirty..Wow..didnt do all that when getting his ass whooped by Pavlik.

TheGreat

08-19-2007, 01:47 PM

Right JT is better than Ikeke but that wasn´t you was talking about. Abraham beat some good competition, superior to the competition of Pavlik and inferior to Taylor´s. That´s why Taylor is ranked #1, Abraham at 3 and Pavlik at 4. Still i pick Abraham to beat Taylor, Taylor to beat Pavlik and Pavlik to beat Abraham. It´s a matter of styles. They are very close in terms of what they are capable and on that level styles decide who wins.

Well, i´m out here i made my point clear, nobody could bring real arguments why it cant work out like this - no smileys and "lol" are no arguments - and i have better things to do than to argue with somebody who is just an ignorant hater.

Fair enough but I think you're underestimating JT.

Amsterdam

08-19-2007, 04:01 PM

you´re wrong. Taylor is a very good fighter. His athleticism, size and good skills make him a challenge for every middlw and supermiddle out there. I´m not saying he would beat them all but he would give them all a very good fight.

Look mate, any big MW who is struggling deeply with guys like Ouma and Spinks is just ridiculous at this point, Abraham would have put both of those guys away by the 5th.

I am not an AA fan, I think he's a cool guy no doubt, but he's a tremendously flawed fighter, but a top class one with his intangibles, the guy has a great chin and a great punch and is rather accurate with a workable defence.

Jermain Taylor had close fights with Hopkins and Wright, this is where his reputation comes from and solely because both of those guys were P4P rated. Sure, they were P4P rated and rightfully so, but that means NOTHING in comparison to Taylor having to fight BIG MW's who have good power and who pressure effectively, because neither Hopkins nor Wright have notable punches and Hopkins is 42 years old and fights at an extremely conservative pace, one that ANY really active young fighter is going to take advantage of.

Taylor is a non-factor in the current MW division and Pavlik will end this train by a crushing mid-round KO after Taylor falls apart under Pavlik's pressure. Taylor's even less a factor at SMW, he's really not that special of a fighter and I don't care how well he did against Hopkins and Wright, whom are both nearing the ends of their runs anyway and don't have the necessary factors to defeat a younger fighter to begin with.

I'm truly sick of fighters being judged on 'reputation' and not what they can truly do. Do you seriously see Winky beating any top SMW?

Hell, he struggled with Sam Soliman, I'd make Abraham a major favourite over Wright at this point and by KO at that.

:deal

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 04:05 PM

Look mate, any big MW who is struggling deeply with guys like Ouma and Spinks is just ridiculous at this point, Abraham would have put both of those guys away by the 5th.

I am not an AA fan, I think he's a cool guy no doubt, but he's a tremendously flawed fighter, but a top class one with his intangibles, the guy has a great chin and a great punch and is rather accurate with a workable defence.

Jermain Taylor had close fights with Hopkins and Wright, this is where his reputation comes from and solely because both of those guys were P4P rated. Sure, they were P4P rated and rightfully so, but that means NOTHING in comparison to Taylor having to fight BIG MW's who have good power and who pressure effectively, because neither Hopkins nor Wright have notable punches and Hopkins is 42 years old and fights at an extremely conservative pace, one that ANY really active young fighter is going to take advantage of.

Taylor is a non-factor in the current MW division and Pavlik will end this train by a crushing mid-round KO after Taylor falls apart under Pavlik's pressure. Taylor's even less a factor at SMW, he's really not that special of a fighter and I don't care how well he did against Hopkins and Wright, whom are both nearing the ends of their runs anyway and don't have the necessary factors to defeat a younger fighter to begin with.

I'm truly sick of fighters being judged on 'reputation' and not what they can truly do. Do you seriously see Winky beating any top SMW?

Hell, he struggled with Sam Soliman, I'd make Abraham a major favourite over Wright at this point and by KO at that.

:deal

You diss JT who did more great things in boxing in his short career then the guy in your avatar...righttttttt... Yeah you love to speculate. JT beat great fighters. Spinks would not get knocked out by any middleweight and barely could get touched by 147-154 guys b/c of his speed and running. Any other middleweight would look worse then JT. Abraham aint knocking out shit. lol He could not touch spinks in the ring. Literally. You idiots dont know shit about boxing. Rewarding guys that beat Manfredos and Lacys of the world. or Ghevors..what jokes you are. :admin:admin

Amsterdam

08-19-2007, 04:37 PM

You diss JT who did more great things in boxing in his short career then the guy in your avatar...righttttttt... Yeah you love to speculate. JT beat great fighters. Spinks would not get knocked out by any middleweight and barely could get touched by 147-154 guys b/c of his speed and running. Any other middleweight would look worse then JT. Abraham aint knocking out shit. lol He could not touch spinks in the ring. Literally. You idiots dont know shit about boxing. Rewarding guys that beat Manfredos and Lacys of the world. or Ghevors..what jokes you are. :admin:admin

My favourite fighter has also been in a tight spot for the majority of his career, unlike Jermain Taylor with his name and marketability, and sorry but any big hard hitting MW would KO Spinks and Ouma.

Lacy would also KO Jermain Taylor, would have at least before the Calzaghe fight, which may have ruined him for good. I regard a totally dominative win over Jeff Lacy higher then I regard a gift draw over Winky Wright when you are supposedly a massive, skilled, hard hitting undisputed MW champion of the world.

Winky's a better opponent, a better name, but a gift draw is nothing in comparison to annihilating the supposed 'heir to the throne', who's very big, who's carved through the names he's fought and who was considered a verge 'P4P fighter'. It's not like Taylor blew Winky out, it's not like he dominated a 40 year old Hopkins, he recieved lucky decisions.

And further more, Calzaghe has 20 defences, with solid names I might add and 3 very solid names and has dominated all of them save for one, if you rank his struggles with little Ouma and little Spinks and gift decisions/gift draw over the ageing Hopkins and then Winky Wright, so be it, Calzaghe's about to thrash a future P4P in Kessler into oblivion, where as Taylor's about to get KTFO by a 'decent' harding hitting MW contender.

Pavlik will at least show this all to be true by removing him permanently.

Grabonator

08-19-2007, 04:47 PM

Just look what you said.. A RIGHT HOOK TO THE BODY. He was a southpaw with no power and like I said NO DEFENSE. He was open to be countered from every single punch his head movement was ABC, 123 You fucking guys compare this C level guys to fucking well trained fighters you cant notice sub par. WHAT DO YOU THINK JT WOULD TO GHEVOR. OUT OF THERE IN 8 OR LESS..

Taylor could never stop Gevor!!

Amsterdam

08-19-2007, 04:59 PM

Taylor could never stop Gevor!!

Hell no, he can't even stop Ouma after shelling him.

Grabonator

08-19-2007, 05:00 PM

You diss JT who did more great things in boxing in his short career then the guy in your avatar...righttttttt... Yeah you love to speculate. JT beat great fighters. Spinks would not get knocked out by any middleweight and barely could get touched by 147-154 guys b/c of his speed and running. Any other middleweight would look worse then JT. Abraham aint knocking out shit. lol He could not touch spinks in the ring. Literally. You idiots dont know shit about boxing. Rewarding guys that beat Manfredos and Lacys of the world. or Ghevors..what jokes you are. :admin:admin

The only joke here are you. Its clearly to see that Calzaghe is BY FAR better than Taylor. There isnt really anything impressive about Taylor and he will get his ass beaten by Pavlick, he also would get his ass beaten by Abraham! He never really beat Hopkins! He did well against Hopkins but Hopkins in his last middleweight fights was not a strong fighter and couldnt go a high pace. Pavlick and Abraham are totally different fighters and im shure Taylor couldnt deal with them. Taylor is nothing special. And to Abraham vs. Miranda, i doubt there would be any other middleweight who would fight 8 rounds with a broken jaw against Miranda, loosing tons of blood and still winning it! It was close but he won it! Imagine Abraham would be healthy, Miranda(whos also an verry good fighter) would not have gone the distance with Abraham.

Toopretty

08-19-2007, 05:15 PM

The only joke here are you. Its clearly to see that Calzaghe is BY FAR better than Taylor. There isnt really anything impressive about Taylor and he will get his ass beaten by Pavlick, he also would get his ass beaten by Abraham! He never really beat Hopkins! He did well against Hopkins but Hopkins in his last middleweight fights was not a strong fighter and couldnt go a high pace. Pavlick and Abraham are totally different fighters and im shure Taylor couldnt deal with them. Taylor is nothing special. And to Abraham vs. Miranda, i doubt there would be any other middleweight who would fight 8 rounds with a broken jaw against Miranda, loosing tons of blood and still winning it! It was close but he won it! Imagine Abraham would be healthy, Miranda(whos also an verry good fighter) would not have gone the distance with Abraham.

Miranda broke that jaw. If he didnt want to continue give up and take that loss. He got his ass beat and jaw smashed in b/c he miranda did it you fucking german nut licker. lol :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Oh if Miranda didnt punch him in the jaw and break it miranda would not of went the distance...:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl You just proved your clownhood. Fucking Calzaghe is better then taylor in theory but in the ring JT has accomplished more then your underachieving champ. Fuck all your dumb ass excuses. I dont even like JT, I just dont like what you foreign ass lickers think your bumb ass fighters and your good ones can do this and that but they aint done shit yet. Lacy was the worst of the best over here. Never ever beating any of the top guys and pretty much being a fans fighter.

Grabonator

08-19-2007, 05:31 PM

Miranda broke that jaw. If he didnt want to continue give up and take that loss. He got his ass beat and jaw smashed in b/c he miranda did it you fucking german nut licker. lol :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Oh if Miranda didnt punch him in the jaw and break it miranda would not of went the distance...:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl You just proved your clownhood. Fucking Calzaghe is better then taylor in theory but in the ring JT has accomplished more then your underachieving champ. Fuck all your dumb ass excuses. I dont even like JT, I just dont like what you foreign ass lickers think your bumb ass fighters and your good ones can do this and that but they aint done shit yet. Lacy was the worst of the best over here. Never ever beating any of the top guys and pretty much being a fans fighter.

Of course Miranda did it! But lets say Miranda fights Abraham 20 times, he would brake Abrahams jaw maybe 1 time! He was just "lucky" to break Abrahams jaw, such things can always happen.

Grabonator

08-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Miranda broke that jaw. If he didnt want to continue give up and take that loss. He got his ass beat and jaw smashed in b/c he miranda did it you fucking german nut licker. lol :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Oh if Miranda didnt punch him in the jaw and break it miranda would not of went the distance...:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl You just proved your clownhood. Fucking Calzaghe is better then taylor in theory but in the ring JT has accomplished more then your underachieving champ. Fuck all your dumb ass excuses. I dont even like JT, I just dont like what you foreign ass lickers think your bumb ass fighters and your good ones can do this and that but they aint done shit yet. Lacy was the worst of the best over here. Never ever beating any of the top guys and pretty much being a fans fighter.

Cool down man, cool down!! :lol: :roll: It has nothing to with it that Abraham is a german fighter. I dont care where a fighter comes from.
And about Jeff Lacy, he was a good fighter but not on Calzaghes level but he was and still is a Top5 super middleweight.