Would a prime Mike Tyson style of fighting be ok for MMA?

[Utter1]

Having become a fan and obessive follower of MMA, ive been wondering how a Prime Mike Tyson style of the late Cus D'Amato would do in a MMA fight.

His constant slipping, bobbing and weaving i feel would have been a plus.

If he was taught submission skills, TD defence, and ground game to possibly add ground and pound to his game, would make this an interesting fighter.

We know that he could slip the punches (yes) but the kicks.......with the angle they come at.....would have made it interesting.

[codeman99998]

Having become a fan and obessive follower of MMA, ive been wondering how a Prime Mike Tyson style of the late Cus D'Amato would do in a MMA fight.

His constant slipping, bobbing and weaving i feel would have been a plus.

If he was taught submission skills, TD defence, and ground game to possibly add ground and pound to his game, would make this an interesting fighter.

We know that he could slip the punches (yes) but the kicks.......with the angle they come at.....would have made it interesting.

The slipping, bobbing and weaving can leave you susceptible to easy knees. It's not a bad thing to be able to slip punches, but you don't want to dip so low that you can easily get caught by a knee, which is a much more powerful strike than a punch anyways.

Tyson fought pretty square up though, which is a plus for takedown defense. MMA fighters tend to stand more square than boxers because if you are too sideways (ala Floyd Mayweather) it makes takedowns as easy as pie.

It's a shame Mike couldn't have fought in MMA. Unfortunately, it's impossible to really know how he could have done because boxing alone is rarely a good indicator (as opposed to just wrestling, say, which can be a greater indicator of success). However, the fact that he had the drive and determination to become the youngest HW champ does hint that he could learn and drive himself (before he stopped improving in the middle 90s) to master the disciplines needed to fight MMA.

[ufoalf]

I think Tyson would've been a bigger Manhoef. Manhoef is up there with Tyson in terms of explosive punching. Which is pretty scary but again, susceptible to ground game. If no KO comes when the opponent is closing in, he loses.

[Utter1]

The slipping, bobbing and weaving can leave you susceptible to easy knees. It's not a bad thing to be able to slip punches, but you don't want to dip so low that you can easily get caught by a knee, which is a much more powerful strike than a punch anyways.

Tyson fought pretty square up though, which is a plus for takedown defense. MMA fighters tend to stand more square than boxers because if you are too sideways (ala Floyd Mayweather) it makes takedowns as easy as pie.

It's a shame Mike couldn't have fought in MMA. Unfortunately, it's impossible to really know how he could have done because boxing alone is rarely a good indicator (as opposed to just wrestling, say, which can be a greater indicator of success). However, the fact that he had the drive and determination to become the youngest HW champ does hint that he could learn and drive himself (before he stopped improving in the middle 90s) to master the disciplines needed to fight MMA.


Yeah i think spot on with alot of stuff. Slipping would be fine as its based on reading your opponent and relflexes. Though i agree that to dip to low would leave him open to knees etc...

I was watching a bit of Jackson and noticed his head movement is quite good and that in some fights he would dip and then attempt takedowns....so i guess from that point of view if Tyson was taught him MMA....he could somtimes utilze dipping and then wrestling his opponent to the ground.

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[achillesthegreat]

In terms of striking I think Tyson would be ferocious and overwhelming. His knees are bent so I think he would have to be wary for takedowns or even instead of smothering himself take the the other guy down if hes closed too much distance. I think Tyson would be okay with learning elbows, he threw them in boxing anyway. :)

[BoxingFanBG]

I dont like to have someone like Iron Mike in MMA.
Best case scenario for his opponent - turns it into wrestling match and Mike taps out
Worst case - Mike catches him with a bomb, the other guy falls on the ground, Tyson ends on him and starts pounding his head...I dont see how the ref can save the other guy from front page: "MMA: Mike Tyson kills again"

[Utter1]

Im talking more about Tyson style of standup.....would it work in MMA.

You mentioned his knees bent.........is that a problem......so it should be straight?

Anyhow i find the technical aspects interesting.......for example J. Toney standup would not work in MMA, how would Ali or Lennox?

[québecwarrior]

they would need to change completly their footwork.

[Utter1]

they would need to change completly their footwork.


In what sense?

[québecwarrior]

In the sense that if they use that footwork and that stance, they would get leg kick at will.

[OuterDrake]

He'd be a lot like Melvin Manhoef. But If he is young and famous. They could have hand picked his opponents from the beginning. Would he be undefeated? Nope

I'd imagine him having a 85-90% winning rec.

[achillesthegreat]

Im talking more about Tyson style of standup.....would it work in MMA.

You mentioned his knees bent.........is that a problem......so it should be straight?

Anyhow i find the technical aspects interesting.......for example J. Toney standup would not work in MMA, how would Ali or Lennox?

Knees bent is good. It means more power and solid grounding. MMA do it so they are ready for take downs and because of it often have better footwork than boxers.

[Pork Chop]

strict peekaboo's asking for push kicks, leg kicks, head kicks, and knees to the face.
wouldn't work well in mma imho.

difference between tyson and manhoef is that melvin's trained in dutch & traditional muay thai; completely different style.
aside from that, manhoef will (in all likelihood) never hold a title belt for very long - he's too easy to submit.

[BITCH ASS]

Knees bent is good. It means more power and solid grounding. MMA do it so they are ready for take downs and because of it often have better footwork than boxers.

This is ridiculous

Boxers have far better footwork than wrestlers. What boxer doesn't bend their knees? And don't say Pavlik in his fight against Bernard.

[codeman99998]

This is ridiculous

Boxers have far better footwork than wrestlers. What boxer doesn't bend their knees? And don't say Pavlik in his fight against Bernard.

Boxers don't tend to stand as square as wrestlers and they don't distribute their weight correctly for takedown defense. This isn't to say all boxers stances will easily allow them to be taken down if they have good takedown defense training, but it isn't as simple as to say boxers have better footwork than wrestlers just because they have better footwork than wrestlers FOR BOXING.

Any high school wrestler could take down pretty boy floyd EASILY. The dude stands SIDEWAYS when fighting.

[tri-pod]

you also have to consider how tyson trained. he was a monster in the gym and one would have to believe he would take the same time and hard work he learned boxing for the other aspects of MMA. he would become a generalist instead of a specialist. and a tyson that has ground game is a scary thing indeed.

[Primenal]

Boxers don't tend to stand as square as wrestlers and they don't distribute their weight correctly for takedown defense. This isn't to say all boxers stances will easily allow them to be taken down if they have good takedown defense training, but it isn't as simple as to say boxers have better footwork than wrestlers just because they have better footwork than wrestlers FOR BOXING.

Any high school wrestler could take down pretty boy floyd EASILY. The dude stands SIDEWAYS when fighting.

Perhaps they could take down Mayweather...but I doubt they would make it that far. They come at Floyd (who is sideways), and he blasts them with a 5 punch combo before they even have the chance to grab him I don't think there taking him down after that...
My JKD instructor would fight sideways, and he weighed was 5'10 170. I bet 9/10 in a street fight nobody could take him down. He turns sideways so he can fire a mule kick, but he also boxes like this to...Uses a lot of backfists though.
I think Mike Tyson based on BOXING skills, and overall strength/ conditioning in an MMA fight wins 60% of fights with anybody around his size. I bet a trained MMA Mike Tyson wins 95% of fights with anybody around his size.
Monstrous punch, amazingly quick/ agile, his conditioning was superb, and an all around FEROCIOUS fighter...and really his chin wasn't that bad.
Look at how far somebody like Fedor makes it on only hands. Of course he's well rounded, but how many people has he not used that, and went straight hands mainly? Tim Sylvia, and Arloski. He knocked those big dudes out. Imagine what Tyson could do....

[québecwarrior]

Perhaps they could take down Mayweather...but I doubt they would make it that far. They come at Floyd (who is sideways), and he blasts them with a 5 punch combo before they even have the chance to grab him I don't think there taking him down after that...
My JKD instructor would fight sideways, and he weighed was 5'10 170. I bet 9/10 in a street fight nobody could take him down. He turns sideways so he can fire a mule kick, but he also boxes like this to...Uses a lot of backfists though.
I think Mike Tyson based on BOXING skills, and overall strength/ conditioning in an MMA fight wins 60% of fights with anybody around his size. I bet a trained MMA Mike Tyson wins 95% of fights with anybody around his size.
Monstrous punch, amazingly quick/ agile, his conditioning was superb, and an all around FEROCIOUS fighter...and really his chin wasn't that bad.
Look at how far somebody like Fedor makes it on only hands. Of course he's well rounded, but how many people has he not used that, and went straight hands mainly? Tim Sylvia, and Arloski. He knocked those big dudes out. Imagine what Tyson could do....
hihihihihihihihi
Fedor by arm bar in 12 seconds. That easy That simple
Fedor would throw him around like a ragdoll seriously.

[codeman99998]

Perhaps they could take down Mayweather...but I doubt they would make it that far. They come at Floyd (who is sideways), and he blasts them with a 5 punch combo before they even have the chance to grab him I don't think there taking him down after that...
My JKD instructor would fight sideways, and he weighed was 5'10 170. I bet 9/10 in a street fight nobody could take him down. He turns sideways so he can fire a mule kick, but he also boxes like this to...Uses a lot of backfists though.
I think Mike Tyson based on BOXING skills, and overall strength/ conditioning in an MMA fight wins 60% of fights with anybody around his size. I bet a trained MMA Mike Tyson wins 95% of fights with anybody around his size.
Monstrous punch, amazingly quick/ agile, his conditioning was superb, and an all around FEROCIOUS fighter...and really his chin wasn't that bad.
Look at how far somebody like Fedor makes it on only hands. Of course he's well rounded, but how many people has he not used that, and went straight hands mainly? Tim Sylvia, and Arloski. He knocked those big dudes out. Imagine what Tyson could do....

Oh... oh no. I don't want to lead you on to much about Mike Tyson's potential...

He doesn't stand a chance as he was as the HW champ. He only stands a chance at all if he crosstrains. If the Mike Tyson who fought in the 90s fought in MMA Lesnar, Couture, Mir... really any premier heavyweight would destroy him. The truth is, Fedor EARNED the right to beat those people with his hands by having an amazing clinch/ground game. You have to earn the right to stand in MMA, and there's no reason to think Tyson would stand a chance.

Floyd blasts them with punches? It just... it doesn't work that way. Also, your JKD instructor probably doesn't fight professional mixed martial artists in a street fight. Mid-high level MMA fighters typically have pedigrees in wrestling, or Brazilian Ju Jitsu, or a Muy Thai or SOMETHING (if not many of those) that really make them a nightmare to deal with.

Tyson could have been something in MMA if he had wanted to be an MMA fighter and trained to be one as hard as he trained to be a boxer. As they are, boxers don't really stand much of a chance against their MMA counterparts in an MMA fight.

[Utter1]

This isnt about who defeats who etc.

Its about the technical aspect of his style.........could it work for MMA.

I personally think it could, you would just have to be aware of kicks to the side and knees.

[codeman99998]

This isnt about who defeats who etc.

Its about the technical aspect of his style.........could it work for MMA.

I personally think it could, you would just have to be aware of kicks to the side and knees.

I mean... it COULD work if there was a lot more to back it up. No pure boxing style can work in MMA period.

[Grievesy]

I mean... it COULD work if there was a lot more to back it up. No pure boxing style can work in MMA period.

No pure style at all really works. I mean there may be some exceptions but as a rule.

[Polymath]

No pure style at all really works. I mean there may be some exceptions but as a rule.

It does if your Mark Kerr or Royce Gracie.

Not if youre a Karateka or Boxer.

[Grievesy]

It does if your Mark Kerr or Royce Gracie.

Not if youre a Karateka or Boxer.

The sport has evolved since the times when those guys were the top dogs.

I'm not saying that they wouldn't be near the top but they wouldn't be the best. You just can't get away with being one-dimensional nowadays.

[Utter1]

I mean... it COULD work if there was a lot more to back it up. No pure boxing style can work in MMA period.


Never said it as a pure aspect.

Of course you need to develop Takedown defence, ground game (wrestling and submissions).

Its weather his constant bobbing and weaving would work

[Polymath]

The sport has evolved since the times when those guys were the top dogs.

I'm not saying that they wouldn't be near the top but they wouldn't be the best. You just can't get away with being one-dimensional nowadays.

You can if you're Damien Maia, or Rousimar Palhares, or Mirko Cro Cop, or Brock Lesnar (the new Mark Kerr), or Mark Coleman. Its easy, youve just got to be really good at your thing, and impose it on the other guy - you can do this if youre Mark Kerr, not if youre a boxer.

[Grievesy]

You can if you're Damien Maia, or Rousimar Palhares, or Mirko Cro Cop, or Brock Lesnar (the new Mark Kerr), or Mark Coleman. Its easy, youve just got to be really good at your thing, and impose it on the other guy - you can do this if youre Mark Kerr, not if youre a boxer.

Demian Maia has good wrestling imo. Same with Palhares. They adapt their BJJ to make it that much more effective.

Cro Cop has some of the best takedown d in MMA. I think that's wrestling.

Lesnar, ok only has wrestling but he is such a physical specimen that he can cancel out other people's advantages with his athleticism.

And still, these guys are the exceptions not the rules and if you want to be the very best you have to be well rounded, for example Fedor, GSP, BJ, Anderson Silva, many of the top LHW you care to name.

[Cage Kennylz]

Personally, I think he would have to tweak his style a lot. But it could very well work. I think his aggressiveness and power could work.

Although he would have to change his stance. Otherwise he will be taken down left and right.

The most important things he would have to learn is: Any sort of Ground game, Takedown defense, a new stance, and a lot of BJJ to his game.

Takedown defense would be huge for him. A good Sprawl would do him good.

It worked for Liddell and Cro Cop.

[codeman99998]

Personally, I think he would have to tweak his style a lot. But it could very well work. I think his aggressiveness and power could work.

Although he would have to change his stance. Otherwise he will be taken down left and right.

The most important things he would have to learn is: Any sort of Ground game, Takedown defense, a new stance, and a lot of BJJ to his game.

Takedown defense would be huge for him. A good Sprawl would do him good.

It worked for Liddell and Cro Cop.

But you are also discounting the fact that Cro Cop is a much better striker than Tyson. In an MMA fight it wouldn't be unlikely that he leg kicks the shit out of Tyson until Tyson falls over.

Chuck was a fairly accomplished wrestler in his day. Bobbing and weaving is good for avoiding punches, but not necessarily good for avoiding leg kicks or takedowns. So, yes, it could be added to a more complete mixed martial arts game and put to some use.

[Polymath]

Demian Maia has good wrestling imo.

He doesn't. Seriously, just no.

Cro Cop has some of the best takedown d in MMA. I think that's wrestling.

lol

Thats not what 'well rounded' means - Cro COp is one of the most one-dimensional fighters ever, but hjis one dimension was really, really good.

Frank Shamrock is 'well rounded.'

And still, these guys are the exceptions not the rules and if you want to be the very best you have to be well rounded, for example Fedor, GSP, BJ, Anderson Silva, many of the top LHW you care to name.

Nada.

Maybe GSP. Anderson isn't 'well-rounded' - he would never be a good fighter using jiu jitsu. He's a striker. Of course everyone learns bits of other skills, thats not what ppl mean when they say well rounded though.

[Polymath]

I guess this is mainly semantics - of course you have to train MMA but most ppl would agree its better to have a great base in something than be ok at everything...

[codeman99998]

Maybe GSP. Anderson isn't 'well-rounded' - he would never be a good fighter using jiu jitsu. He's a striker. Of course everyone learns bits of other skills, thats not what ppl mean when they say well rounded though.

I think there is a difference with playing to your strengths and not being well rounded.

Anderson Silva did catch Lutter in a triangle after all. He subbed Hendo. His body triangle is extremely difficult to deal with.

Anderson Silva is well-rounded because his striking compliments his grappling much like GSP.

[Grievesy]

I think there is a difference with playing to your strengths and not being well rounded.

Anderson Silva did catch Lutter in a triangle after all. He subbed Hendo. His body triangle is extremely difficult to deal with.

Anderson Silva is well-rounded because his striking compliments his grappling much like GSP.

Glad I saw this before I posted, saved me the trouble. Exactly what I was gonna say.

@Polymath. I never said Cro Cop was well rounded, but he has learned something other than just kicking peoples heads off. Without his takedown defense he would have lost to a lot of the fighters he faced. While this isn't well roundedness, it isn't being one-dimensional. Just somewhere in the middle.

I suppose I was grasping at straws with the others.

Yes it is key, I think, to have a strong base in something, BUT if you don't branch out and cross train you're gonna get left behind at some point.

[Beebs]

This is ridiculous

Boxers have far better footwork than wrestlers. What boxer doesn't bend their knees? And don't say Pavlik in his fight against Bernard.


Quick, somebody call the Olympic committee, tell them the worlds oldest sport has been a fraud for all these thousands of years; the entire contest can simply be stopped and turned into a stalemate if only wrestlers would bend there knees!

Congradulations sir, you have just discovered the secret to perfect defensive wrestling, the gold medals await.

Tyson's boxing would have been spectacular for MMA, the bobbing and weaving into a kick thing is a little exagerated I think, you never really see a guy get caught while slipping to the side with a headkick. Randy did it for 5 rounds against Sylvia, who nearly decapitated Tra Telligman, so we know he at least has a head kick in his arsenal.

The problem is obviously that he would still have a large portion of the game to learn, well over half.

[Beebs]

Perhaps they could take down Mayweather...but I doubt they would make it that far. They come at Floyd (who is sideways), and he blasts them with a 5 punch combo before they even have the chance to grab him I don't think there taking him down after that...
My JKD instructor would fight sideways, and he weighed was 5'10 170. I bet 9/10 in a street fight nobody could take him down. He turns sideways so he can fire a mule kick, but he also boxes like this to...Uses a lot of backfists though.

As proven by TKD's long history of success in MMA; truely the dominate art in the sport.

Look at how far somebody like Fedor makes it on only hands. Of course he's well rounded, but how many people has he not used that, and went straight hands mainly? Tim Sylvia, and Arloski. He knocked those big dudes out. Imagine what Tyson could do....

Well yes, I imagine he did use those boxing skills to win 3rd in the Russian National Judo competition and countless Sambo and Combat Sambo national and world championships.

[Beebs]

Perhaps they could take down Mayweather...but I doubt they would make it that far. They come at Floyd (who is sideways), and he blasts them with a 5 punch combo before they even have the chance to grab him I don't think there taking him down after that...
My JKD instructor would fight sideways, and he weighed was 5'10 170. I bet 9/10 in a street fight nobody could take him down. He turns sideways so he can fire a mule kick, but he also boxes like this to...Uses a lot of backfists though.

As proven by TKD's long history of success in MMA; truely the dominate art in the sport.

Look at how far somebody like Fedor makes it on only hands. Of course he's well rounded, but how many people has he not used that, and went straight hands mainly? Tim Sylvia, and Arloski. He knocked those big dudes out. Imagine what Tyson could do....

Well yes, I imagine he did use those boxing skills to win 3rd in the Russian National Judo competition and countless Sambo and Combat Sambo national and world championships; and of course that perfectly executed Rear Naked Choke taught in boxing gyms around the world that he finished Sylvia with.

[Cage Kennylz]

I guess this is mainly semantics - of course you have to train MMA but most ppl would agree its better to have a great base in something than be ok at everything...
I've found that to be true.

Although I've noticed that the guys who are just "Okay" at everything can win with a good gameplan.

Forrest Griffin is a good example.

[Cage Kennylz]

But you are also discounting the fact that Cro Cop is a much better striker than Tyson. In an MMA fight it wouldn't be unlikely that he leg kicks the shit out of Tyson until Tyson falls over.
True, I didn't even think about that. But Chuck Liddell Mainly punched, I really only saw him throw kicks in his Vitor fight.

But if he trained in some Muay Thai also he could become good at checking kicks, but there have been lots of fighters who win just using hands.

You are right though.

[achillesthegreat]

This is ridiculous

Boxers have far better footwork than wrestlers. What boxer doesn't bend their knees? And don't say Pavlik in his fight against Bernard.
It's not ridiculous. Boxers will often have versatile footwork but their technique is often lacking. Numerous boxers don't bend their knees or fight grounded. They are straight legged and bouncing all over the place.

I never said wrestlers, I said MMA. I said they bend their knees to protect from take downs or to go in for the take down. Bent knees is a pivotal part of good footwork and loads of boxers fail to do it.

[Utter1]

Personally, I think he would have to tweak his style a lot. But it could very well work. I think his aggressiveness and power could work.

Although he would have to change his stance. Otherwise he will be taken down left and right.

The most important things he would have to learn is: Any sort of Ground game, Takedown defense, a new stance, and a lot of BJJ to his game.

Takedown defense would be huge for him. A good Sprawl would do him good.

It worked for Liddell and Cro Cop.


I agree.......but lets get secific.....in what way would his stance have to change?

I posted a few clips early in the thread to show his standup style etc

[Utter1]

But you are also discounting the fact that Cro Cop is a much better striker than Tyson. In an MMA fight it wouldn't be unlikely that he leg kicks the shit out of Tyson until Tyson falls over.

Chuck was a fairly accomplished wrestler in his day. Bobbing and weaving is good for avoiding punches, but not necessarily good for avoiding leg kicks or takedowns. So, yes, it could be added to a more complete mixed martial arts game and put to some use.


Im unsure if he was a better fighter standing up, your assuming a Prime Tyson lets cro cop just kick him without a response.....but coming forward and smothering the leg attack or wresting him to the ground are high possibilties.

[Utter1]

Quick, somebody call the Olympic committee, tell them the worlds oldest sport has been a fraud for all these thousands of years; the entire contest can simply be stopped and turned into a stalemate if only wrestlers would bend there knees!

Congradulations sir, you have just discovered the secret to perfect defensive wrestling, the gold medals await.

Tyson's boxing would have been spectacular for MMA, the bobbing and weaving into a kick thing is a little exagerated I think, you never really see a guy get caught while slipping to the side with a headkick. Randy did it for 5 rounds against Sylvia, who nearly decapitated Tra Telligman, so we know he at least has a head kick in his arsenal.

The problem is obviously that he would still have a large portion of the game to learn, well over half.


The main thing about this thread is not weather Tyson would have won as it pointless debate ( we will never know) but more about the technical apsects of his standup and how it suits fighting fighter who will use a varied form of attack and defence as oppose to just boxing.

It is obvious that if any boxer in his prime were to fight in MMA he would need to learn wrestling, BBJ, etc

[Sweet Pea]

Having become a fan and obessive follower of MMA, ive been wondering how a Prime Mike Tyson style of the late Cus D'Amato would do in a MMA fight.

His constant slipping, bobbing and weaving i feel would have been a plus.

If he was taught submission skills, TD defence, and ground game to possibly add ground and pound to his game, would make this an interesting fighter.

We know that he could slip the punches (yes) but the kicks.......with the angle they come at.....would have made it interesting.
That's the thing, he had none of those attributes. If he learned them, he wouldn't simply be Mike Tyson the boxer. As a pure boxer, he'd be taken down and either subbed or pounded out by any decent MMA fighter as long as they didn't get careless.

[Utter1]

That's the thing, he had none of those attributes. If he learned them, he wouldn't simply be Mike Tyson the boxer. As a pure boxer, he'd be taken down and either subbed or pounded out by any decent MMA fighter as long as they didn't get careless.


Im not bothered by your assumptions.......only the very elite in MMA would have a chance or beat Tyson that goes witout saying.

The real major point is not weather Tyson would do well but weather techincal points of his style in regards to standup would still be affective. i.e slip the strike that comes in and punch quickly back.

[DRMULLEN]

if a young tyson lands flush it would be over fast..my concern is the kicks and on the ground then it would be over for mike..

[Koa]

I actually think Tyson would be a lot like Crocop. Not the chin thing, but some nights he would look unbeatable, and others he would look helpless.

I struggle to imagine what he could do in the clinch. Talk all you want about the thai plum, you grab Tyson in it, and he can simply counter with a short uppercut or just bang the body. I get the feeling he would break his hands though. He was such a dynamic puncher that I have no doubt he could destroy people standing flat footed.

[OuterDrake]

I actually think Tyson would be a lot like Crocop. Not the chin thing, but some nights he would look unbeatable, and others he would look helpless.

I struggle to imagine what he could do in the clinch. Talk all you want about the thai plum, you grab Tyson in it, and he can simply counter with a short uppercut or just bang the body. I get the feeling he would break his hands though. He was such a dynamic puncher that I have no doubt he could destroy people standing flat footed.

A lot of mma fans are deluded to believing that what happens to boxers in k1 will happen in mma.Avg mma artist is a third rate kick boxer who leave their chin open.And even the unsuccessful boxers who do k1,loss for taking the fight in 2 weeks notice while being washed up or a can eater.And
not training for Kick Boxing.

F*** even Francois Botha Managed to secure 2 victories, Peter Aerts and Jerome Le Banner, Two p4p Kick Boxers.Yet I haven't seen any kick boxer
do the same to any p4p boxer in boxing.

[MaliSlamusrex]

well he better not fight Maia or it will be over in 30 seconds.

[Pork Chop]

Talk all you want about the thai plum, you grab Tyson in it, and he can simply counter with a short uppercut or just bang the body.

You've never been in a thai clinch have you?

Jab and grab was the way people nullified Tyson back in his prime.
What makes you think it'll be any different now that the grabbers are allowed to bust him up with knees and elbows?

Botha is being used as an argument for why boxers survive in K1?
The guy got KOed by Mighty Mo.
Botha got armbarred by a 185lb fighter in his lone mma match.
Yeah he decisioned Kaoklai, but that guy fights heavyweight in the 170s and fought in the 155lb K1-max tournament.
He got dropped by Fujimoto and Khattou from punches.
Aerts and JLB are famous for having "off" nights - they're road warriors with LOTS of mileage.

What about the other pro boxers then?
Vince Phillips, Mercer, or Arthur Williams?

Klitschko was a C-Level kickboxer KOd by a spin kick.

K1 is even a moot point because they've got like a 2 second clinch rule.
Even still, watch what Bonjasky did to Manhoef & tell me Tyson would do much better.
I think guys like Ignashov, Hoost, Bonjasky, or Schilt in mma or full thai rules against Tyson is a bad night for Tyson.

[Sweet Pea]

Im not bothered by your assumptions.......only the very elite in MMA would have a chance or beat Tyson that goes witout saying. That's only if you're an ignorant fool who knows nothing whatsoever about MMA. Otherwise you're on the right track. :good

[Beebs]

I struggle to imagine what he could do in the clinch. Talk all you want about the thai plum, you grab Tyson in it, and he can simply counter with a short uppercut or just bang the body. I get the feeling he would break his hands though. He was such a dynamic puncher that I have no doubt he could destroy people standing flat footed.

It's interesting to think about, but I think he would be better served to treat the clinch like Crocop does, use it to push away and avoid it all costs otherwise.

I think that just because in his boxing career, for all his strength, he would usually be the man being controlled and moved about.

[Utter1]

That's only if you're an ignorant fool who knows nothing whatsoever about MMA. Otherwise you're on the right track. :good


Once again your assumptions are futile in there very nature.

Lets bring it to the gutter o filth......your on the right track to stupidity of the highest order.

[Utter1]

I think looking back at my posts/thread........i was more interested in the style rather than Tyson himself. Its pure speculation weather he himself would have been as succesful in MMA as he was in boxing.

More than anything its how that agressive style would have done in terms of standup.

Essentially moving forward - slipping left or right at the point of your oppoenent throwing a punch and then striking quickly - then falling into clinch or moving off on an angle to punch some more.

The ground stuff etc is not the point.....more the merits of his standup.

I guess it trying to picture weather that type of style with your hands raised above your cheeckbones or resting on them.......and then having to avoid not only punches but kicks, knees and attempts at taking you down/