Jermain Taylor's time is up and I can't wait to say 'good riddance'.

[Amsterdam]

He's essentially a non-factor for the 160-168 realm, save for some truly deserving fighter around those weight classes to blast him and take the credit for defeating a 'NAME' opponent. I guess this has to be Pavlik, that's all right though, getting those titles away from Jermain Taylor is all I care about because he's an embarassment to the rich history of that division.

Any competant and large MW-SMW who has a punch would absolutely destroy this guy and Pavlik is going to show this, it'll likely be before round 5 and will also be entertaining.

Jermain Taylor is a prime example of ranking a fighter based of off defeating opponents with a set reputation and holding him to a high level because of that instead of really diving into the issue of what he is. It's truly a disgrace for him to have lasted in the P4P rankings that long when plenty of other fights(some lower weight classes that get no credit) have done tons more than he has, which all he has done is have 3 close fights with guys that have set reputations, but one being 40+ years old and the other being highly skilled, but feather fisted. You would expect that a proper MW king would have clearly defeated the aging, on his way out Hopkins and would have clearly defeated the crafty, but smaller Wright, instead, he got gifts over all 3 fights and has since struggled with a mediocre LMW pressure fighter who again has no punch and a very good LMW boxer, but one that any truly big MW would have easily put away if they weren't Jermain Taylor, this includes Abraham and Pavlik.

Pavlik is going to easily starch this fraud, Abraham would starch him and I am sure even Edison Miranda would catch him and put his lights out... this is just at MW, a weak division...

Imagine what a strong division like SMW, which is full of immense talent would do to Jermain Taylor, it's likely that even Sakio Bika level guys take him out.

Now let's jump up another division, the relatively stacked LHW, just about all of them would take him out with ease.

It'll be a good riddance when Pavlik removes this joke from the spectrum and I am glad that Ring magazine FINALLY removed him from the official P4P rankings, even though their new rankings still left out some deserving smaller guys, such as Cristian Mijares.

:good

[klion22]

I see Taylor winning quite easily.

[lyricalmist]

he was the only fighter to even get close to beating any one of those two fighters in years..u cant blame him for that.

if he gets exposed then he gets exposed, but if he wins then what? he beat an overhyped power puncher?

[Astola]

Hmm:think
Lets just try and turn the perspective just a bit.

I agree - JT aint no p4p material and shouldnt be regarded as the mw king.

But on the other hand - hes a damn good solid fighter who would spell trouble for anybody at mw.

Abraham would probably win and Pavlik may win. Maybe even Miranda would.
But JT still takes out all the other mw's and this makes him at least a MW in top 2-4.

I guess you can make a case for hating somebody overrated - but JT still has done something good and he is still in the top of his division.

Why the flaming, immense hate ??? :fire :fire

[Amsterdam]

he was the only fighter to even get close to beating any one of those two fighters in years..u cant blame him for that.

if he gets exposed then he gets exposed, but if he wins then what? he beat an overhyped power puncher?

If he wins, which I can't see him doing, then obviously I am incorrect and will eat my share of crow with a side of salt in the wounds.

Deal?:deal

[Amsterdam]

Hmm:think
Lets just try and turn the perspective just a bit.

I agree - JT aint no p4p material and shouldnt be regarded as the mw king.

But on the other hand - hes a damn good solid fighter who would spell trouble for anybody at mw.

Abraham would probably win and Pavlik may win. Maybe even Miranda would.
But JT still takes out all the other mw's and this makes him at least a MW in top 2-4.

I guess you can make a case for hating somebody overrated - but JT still has done something good and he is still in the top of his division.

Why the flaming, immense hate ??? :fire :fire

Even Mundine would have pasted this guy early with his speed, boxing ability and SMW punching power.

He's a top 5 at MW, but he's a non-factor against the truly big players and he's held onto the Undisputed MW title, one of the most presitigious in boxing for far too long. He's come around at the right time essentially, but that time is up.

Haven't you noticed when I don't like somebody, that I really become proficient at tearing them to pieces through analysation?:yep

[Astola]

Even Mundine would have pasted this guy early with his speed, boxing ability and SMW punching power.

He's a top 5 at MW, but he's a non-factor against the truly big players and he's held onto the Undisputed MW title, one of the most presitigious in boxing for far too long. He's come around at the right time essentially, but that time is up.

Haven't you noticed when I don't like somebody, that I really become proficient at tearing them to pieces through analysation?:yep


Yes I have noticed and u sure dont dig JT:D

Im impressed he made two pretty close fights with Bhop. This alone demands some kind of talent....

Mundine (may he recover) WOULD take JT out!! The speed+ size combo would be too much - also Mundines defence has vastly improved!

Heck, even the new born Mads Larsen would take him out! (watched Larsen on the AA undercard yesterday and he looks like hes on his way back to the top smw....)




Still - Im not sure Pavlik is gonna run JT over. It will be a competitive fight imo.

[maximumsg]

Yea I don't like the way the guy wins fights either but he still can compete with some great fighters. However I thinkd if hopkins or winky were 5 years younger then it would be a wipe out for both of them versus taylor. All we can do is see how he performs against a young heavy hitter in pavlik. Don't blame taylor for HBO's false promoting and judge pampering because all taylor did was do his best. Be mad at HBO if anything

[Decebal]

Mundine (may he recover)

From now on, Mundine's name shall always be followed by the phrase: "soon may he recover"...otherwise...a fatwa will be issued against the infringer, condemning him to exhile from this board!:deal

[alex-boxer42]

this is how i see the fight going.

They come out start very tentatively,, Pavlik lands a 1-2 combo that puts taylor in the ropes, tries the rope a dope like he did against winky but gets get twice the power and dropped like a sac of potatoes.

[Thor]

If he wins, which I can't see him doing, then obviously I am incorrect and will eat my share of crow with a side of salt in the wounds.

Deal?:deal

:gun You, Zakman, El Rey.

[McGrain]

He's a good fighter with an ATG under his belt.

But I hope Pav cracks him good.

[Amsterdam]

Exactly, and Librado Andrade would also impose his size and take Taylor out, because Taylor(unlike Kessler) can't adapt to pressure well and drops his defence under it.

And this may be 'speculation', sure, but it's well thought out speculation and if Pavlik walks his ass down, you can assume Andrade would do the same with his reach, chin, pressure and power, but Taylor is considered to be higher ranked than Mikkel Kessler is, when Kessler beat Mundine a nice 116-112 and fucked up Andrade for 12 straight rounds.

And he was competitive with B-Hop and Winky, that's fair, but let's look at the reasons why -

B-Hop is old and fights conservatively, any young fighter who is competant and fights with tenacity is going to defeat him, he'd lose at this point to Glencoffe Johnson. B-hop's a top 30 ATG fighter in his own right, but he is REALLY showing his age and the Tarver domination was easy to pick, but very misleading.

Wright was definitley a rightful P4P fighter, but he won in my eyes and a big MW-SMW who is fresh and well schooled should really be able to defeat Winky at this point, maybe what he does next will reveal this, but him having a neck/neck fight with Soliman is telling on how he'd do with some really competant big men who can move and hit.

So essentially you have an inner circle of the set 'elite' who fight each other, when they really are not the 'best' out there to offer for these weight classes, being 160-175.

Is this not valid?

[Amsterdam]

Yea I don't like the way the guy wins fights either but he still can compete with some great fighters. However I thinkd if hopkins or winky were 5 years younger then it would be a wipe out for both of them versus taylor. All we can do is see how he performs against a young heavy hitter in pavlik. Don't blame taylor for HBO's false promoting and judge pampering because all taylor did was do his best. Be mad at HBO if anything

:nod

Precisely, I felt they won anyway. A peak Hopkins would have owned him brutally, but he'd have always been competitive with Winky Wright, which is not a problem considering a WW in Mosely was competitive, Vargas was very competitive.

Winky's a damn fine P4P level fighter and has always been a favourite, but his major rep came out from shutting out Trinidad, who was definitley not anywhere near a Trinidad at his best...

It's more of the 'reputation' ranking than actually a fully detailed analysation of the individual events going on.

[Toopretty]

Taylor is would beat the shit out of abraham who got the shit beat out of him by Miranda. Pavlik can beat taylor b/c pavlik is more dangerous and can punch with boht hands. Taylor can beat pavlik on points if he gets in and out and avoids the str8 right hand from pavlik. Pavlik is a beast. Abraham is a barely a good fighter. Big difference. I watched both pavlik and abraham and pavlik is the most dangerous. JT can out box both of them. Damned for sure outwork abraham the 60 second fighter. JT win or lose was a good fighter and not overhyped b/c he does not get much credit from asswipes like amsterdam that knock him for no reason.

[4Rounder]

I'm gonna laugh real hard if Taylor wins.:yep

[jc]

Taylors boring but good.

Im edging to Taylor in this. JT by Decision!:deal

[shelterr]

I really do think Pavlik has a decent chance at a KO, but it will be competetive because Taylor always fights to the level of his competition. It's the reason why he always wins close disputed decisions; he does whatever his opponent does but looks more aggresive and dominant doing it and judges feel inclined to give him the close rounds.

[Grabonator]

Taylors reign as a champ will be over verry soon. If Pavlick wont beat him Abraham will do it. But i really think Pavlick will get the job done.

[Zakman]

Amen. Pavlik is going to BADLY expose HBO hype-job Jermaine "Gift Decision" Taylor, and probably quite early, too. There is a REASON that he's fought only light-hitters from the lower weight classes since Hopkins put him on queer street.

Now, he's facing his FIRST real hard-hitting PRIME middleweight, and he is going to be BRUTALLY KOd

You can't get a gift decision when you're lying out cold on the canvas!!! :lol:

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Pavlik better KO this pretender.
Let's hope Taylor doesn't go into survial mode and make it to the final bell.
You just know the judges will give it to him.

Personally, I only have the guy winning one out of his last 5 fights, but he always gets the benefit of the 'bad decisions'.

[Amsterdam]

And if he jumps up to SMW-LHW, even Sakio Bika level guys will defeat him, that's where Jermain Taylor is truly at with the larger fighters.

[curmudgeon]

..out of abraham who got the shit beat out of him by Miranda.

You either drink too much, like beeing intentionally dense - or somehow watched some other fight.

[Toopretty]

You either drink too much, like beeing intentionally dense - or somehow watched some other fight.


Like I fucking said you probably german piece of shit. Burger king got the shit beat out of him by miranda. Ref saved his ass many times that fight. Jumping in anytime his ass was in trouble. Got his jaw cracked. That constitutes getting the shit beat out of you when you got to eat through a straw for weeks. :D

[Decebal]

I like that Amsterdam......why can't more poster be like you. What do they want you to do....NOT GIVE YOUR OPINION.

If you are wrong you get roasted and if you are right you get to ROAST!



Indeed! And Amsterdam is a top analyst - he doens't just throw opinions about, the way many do...! He is the best of both world!

[SOUTHERMOST]

Taylor has been good fighting Hopkins and bad fighting the elusive Spinks who is going to show up nobody knows most the fans don't give him a change but I do I think he got the skills speed,size and some power,Pavlik is very easy to hit I'm sure he is motivated for this fight.

[Zakman]

Pavlik better KO this pretender.
Let's hope Taylor doesn't go into survial mode and make it to the final bell.
You just know the judges will give it to him.

Personally, I only have the guy winning one out of his last 5 fights, but he always gets the benefit of the 'bad decisions'.
Exactly. If Taylor makes it to the final bell, expect yet another gift decision.:yep

Hell, who knows - with his track record of outrageous verdicts maybe they'll find a way to give him the decision when he's out cold on the canvas!!!!!! :patsch

[cdsimple]

JT gets no respect here. I guess its because non of you here really know or followed the guy until the bhops fights. JT will beat pavlik very easily, anyone with boxing experience can see this. Go and check out pavlik's fight with miranda. Even with Miranda's very limited skills, when he counter punched and attempted to be defensive, he was able to time pavlik's slow shots, and even his slow wide punches were way quicker than pavliks. If he had the sense to tie pavlik up instead of taking a beating on the ropes, the fight would have been closer.

Cant wait for this fight, and I really hope the odds are in favor of pavlik because I will become a little richer that night.

[brooklyn1550]

I want Kelly to win - nothing against JT though. If JT wins impressively, good for him, but I'm predicting him to be looking up at the lights in the 6th or 7th

[nervousxtian]

Amsterdam lost all credibilty when he talked up Sakio Bika beating Taylor, which is nothing but a back-handed insult to Taylor while at the same time trying to give props to Calzaghe.

You don't have to like Taylor, but he is much better than you make him out to be, and even if he loses to Pavlik, he's still accomplished a lot in his career already.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Amsterdam lost all credibilty when he talked up Sakio Bika beating Taylor, which is nothing but a back-handed insult to Taylor while at the same time trying to give props to Calzaghe.

You don't have to like Taylor, but he is much better than you make him out to be, and even if he loses to Pavlik, he's still accomplished a lot in his career already.

NTM, he still think Judah is some force at WW...:patsch

[Shotgun]

If Taylor ekes out another questionable decision should we start a petition to get him to officially change his nickname from "Bad Intentions" to "Bad Decisions"?

[faisal]

if taylor wins amstadam better STFU with his predictions,

[nezy37]

Unfortunately for you I see JT winning this fight.

[JETSKI]

He's essentially a non-factor for the 160-168 realm, save for some truly deserving fighter around those weight classes to blast him and take the credit for defeating a 'NAME' opponent. I guess this has to be Pavlik, that's all right though, getting those titles away from Jermain Taylor is all I care about because he's an embarassment to the rich history of that division.

Any competant and large MW-SMW who has a punch would absolutely destroy this guy and Pavlik is going to show this, it'll likely be before round 5 and will also be entertaining.

Jermain Taylor is a prime example of ranking a fighter based of off defeating opponents with a set reputation and holding him to a high level because of that instead of really diving into the issue of what he is. It's truly a disgrace for him to have lasted in the P4P rankings that long when plenty of other fights(some lower weight classes that get no credit) have done tons more than he has, which all he has done is have 3 close fights with guys that have set reputations, but one being 40+ years old and the other being highly skilled, but feather fisted. You would expect that a proper MW king would have clearly defeated the aging, on his way out Hopkins and would have clearly defeated the crafty, but smaller Wright, instead, he got gifts over all 3 fights and has since struggled with a mediocre LMW pressure fighter who again has no punch and a very good LMW boxer, but one that any truly big MW would have easily put away if they weren't Jermain Taylor, this includes Abraham and Pavlik.

Pavlik is going to easily starch this fraud, Abraham would starch him and I am sure even Edison Miranda would catch him and put his lights out... this is just at MW, a weak division...

Imagine what a strong division like SMW, which is full of immense talent would do to Jermain Taylor, it's likely that even Sakio Bika level guys take him out.

Now let's jump up another division, the relatively stacked LHW, just about all of them would take him out with ease.

It'll be a good riddance when Pavlik removes this joke from the spectrum and I am glad that Ring magazine FINALLY removed him from the official P4P rankings, even though their new rankings still left out some deserving smaller guys, such as Cristian Mijares.

:good

Jermain is no joke & this isn't gonna be an ez fight for Kelly...but eventually I still feel he'll rock Taylor & once he does...its over.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam lost all credibilty when he talked up Sakio Bika beating Taylor, which is nothing but a back-handed insult to Taylor while at the same time trying to give props to Calzaghe.

You don't have to like Taylor, but he is much better than you make him out to be, and even if he loses to Pavlik, he's still accomplished a lot in his career already.

Okay then, I'll mention a different mediocre SMW that has no connection to Calzaghe, since I already mentioned Librado Andrade..

Alejandro Berrio would KTFO Jermain Taylor. I am not so sure that Taylor could even defeat Markus Beyer, this is the level of where he is at currently and his chin is going to be exposed for what it is. I know that Taylor can't KO even a glass jawed larger man like Beyer, considering he can't KO average chinned LMW's even when landing his best shots and Taylor's defence is piss.

Let's go for the LHW's that would easily defeat Taylor then -

Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Clinton Woods, Szolt Erdei, Adrian Diaconu, Paul Briggs and so on and so on.

I lost all credibility with you, I don't care at all, when Pavlik knocks Taylor out in 5 or less we'll reflect back on this entire discussion.

[Amsterdam]

NTM, he still think Judah is some force at WW...:patsch

Well, he's superior to Joshua Clottey, who everyone was high on right after the Corrales fight, even though I tried to enlighten them on the issue that he's limited, not a hitter and defensively flawed.

Then the last fight rolls around and he struggles greatly with some moderate pressure from a light hitting journeyman, who had been starched in 1 by Chop Chop Corley and some people realise that Clottey is in no way an elite fighter.

I merely stated that Judah would defeat Clottey, which he would, 100% and by KO at that.

[compukiller]

Well, he's superior to Joshua Clottey, who everyone was high on right after the Corrales fight, even though I tried to enlighten them on the issue that he's limited, not a hitter and defensively flawed.

Then the last fight rolls around and he struggles greatly with some moderate pressure from a light hitting journeyman, who had been starched in 1 by Chop Chop Corley and some people realise that Clottey is in no way an elite fighter.

I merely stated that Judah would defeat Clottey, which he would, 100% and by KO at that.

CLottey needs to go to 154. He is coming in on fight night at 170 for 147 lb fights. I believe he will be better and do better in that division. Time to make the jump. :deal

[DanePugilist]

I wanna see how well Taylor will do against bigger guys. If he beats Pavlik, he should definately move up.

[MSTR]

He's essentially a non-factor for the 160-168 realm, save for some truly deserving fighter around those weight classes to blast him and take the credit for defeating a 'NAME' opponent. I guess this has to be Pavlik, that's all right though, getting those titles away from Jermain Taylor is all I care about because he's an embarassment to the rich history of that division.

Any competant and large MW-SMW who has a punch would absolutely destroy this guy and Pavlik is going to show this, it'll likely be before round 5 and will also be entertaining.

Jermain Taylor is a prime example of ranking a fighter based of off defeating opponents with a set reputation and holding him to a high level because of that instead of really diving into the issue of what he is. It's truly a disgrace for him to have lasted in the P4P rankings that long when plenty of other fights(some lower weight classes that get no credit) have done tons more than he has, which all he has done is have 3 close fights with guys that have set reputations, but one being 40+ years old and the other being highly skilled, but feather fisted. You would expect that a proper MW king would have clearly defeated the aging, on his way out Hopkins and would have clearly defeated the crafty, but smaller Wright, instead, he got gifts over all 3 fights and has since struggled with a mediocre LMW pressure fighter who again has no punch and a very good LMW boxer, but one that any truly big MW would have easily put away if they weren't Jermain Taylor, this includes Abraham and Pavlik.

Pavlik is going to easily starch this fraud, Abraham would starch him and I am sure even Edison Miranda would catch him and put his lights out... this is just at MW, a weak division...

Imagine what a strong division like SMW, which is full of immense talent would do to Jermain Taylor, it's likely that even Sakio Bika level guys take him out.

Now let's jump up another division, the relatively stacked LHW, just about all of them would take him out with ease.

It'll be a good riddance when Pavlik removes this joke from the spectrum and I am glad that Ring magazine FINALLY removed him from the official P4P rankings, even though their new rankings still left out some deserving smaller guys, such as Cristian Mijares.

:good
I couldn't disagree more with this assesment. How did he beat Hopkins and draw with a fighter like Winky Wright if he has no ability. Even Ouma and Spinks are still top fighters. He has proven many times now to be a top level fighter, and with Manny Steward in his corner, you know he will not trade with Pavlik. Taylor will box to a decision win, as Pavlik will try to just walk in through punches and will get caught far too often. Everyone is once again hyping the puncher. Pavlik has almost no head movement, is not quick, and stands very upright and easy to hit. He is tough as nails for sure, but it won't be enough against the quicker and technically better Jermain. Jermain Taylor won't stand there like Miranda, who had no ideahow to punch off the back foot. He will move use his jab, and make it very difficult for Pavlik to close the distance.

[MSTR]

Amsterdam i can see some of the points you are making. Taylor is sloppy in close quarters, and does drop that lead hand which could lead to problems. However, I think that Steward is a GREAT trainer for a guy like Taylor, who at times I think can be mentally weak as a fighter. I believe they will come in with a gameplan to move and use the jab, and I have no doubt that if he does this he will outbox Pavlik and take the win. If he doesn't come in with a gameplan, and isn't focused and decides to trade with Pavlik it will most probably spell doom for Taylor.

[KO Boxing]

I agree with some points, highly disagree on others.

Taylor's resume KO4 Calzagh'e resume... :yep

[Axe]

Bika and Andrade beating Taylor? Whats next, rob Calloway winning HW gold? :tired

[nervousxtian]

Again with the guys weight classes above where Taylor sits currently.

What point are you making, oh wait, you have no point, because you're clueless.

Pavlik might beat Taylor, but it doesn't mean Taylor isn't a good fighter.

You have no understanding of how styles make fights, and how different fighters will have different outcomes with the same guy.

Just because Taylor didn't KO a Spinks who was on the retreat the whole damn fight doesn't mean he wouldn't destroy Judah who comes at him.

Styles make fights, and you my friend are a complete and utter moron.

[Amsterdam]

Again with the guys weight classes above where Taylor sits currently.

What point are you making, oh wait, you have no point, because you're clueless.

Pavlik might beat Taylor, but it doesn't mean Taylor isn't a good fighter.

You have no understanding of how styles make fights, and how different fighters will have different outcomes with the same guy.

Just because Taylor didn't KO a Spinks who was on the retreat the whole damn fight doesn't mean he wouldn't destroy Judah who comes at him.

Styles make fights, and you my friend are a complete and utter moron.

I have no understand of how styles make fights? Then please explain why I said Pavlik is just a decent fighter(it's obvious that Taylor is the greater talent and I have said so), but a big pressuring MW with a punch and that Taylor cannot handle pressure fighting styles as shown from the Ouma fight.

This is picking Pavlik based on styles and intangibles.

Perhaps read my material next time.;)

[compukiller]

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[Amsterdam]

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[lillarry]

:gun You, Zakman, El Rey.


Dont forget that annoying Jetski guy.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Well, he's superior to Joshua Clottey, who everyone was high on right after the Corrales fight, even though I tried to enlighten them on the issue that he's limited, not a hitter and defensively flawed.

Then the last fight rolls around and he struggles greatly with some moderate pressure from a light hitting journeyman, who had been starched in 1 by Chop Chop Corley and some people realise that Clottey is in no way an elite fighter.

I merely stated that Judah would defeat Clottey, which he would, 100% and by KO at that.

:lol: Heard that before from you. Good thing you're NEVER wrong huh? :roll:

[Amsterdam]

:lol: Heard that before from you. Good thing you're NEVER wrong huh? :roll:

No, Im wrong at times, I'd say my success ratio is somewhere around 80-90% at picking fights after deep analysation overall.

[Alo2006]

If JT KO Pavlik, yall not going to hear the end of it :yep

[compukiller]

If JT KO Pavlik, yall not going to hear the end of it :yep

If he does, I will give him props. But if he could not KO ouma....

[alex-boxer42]

JT gets no respect here. I guess its because non of you here really know or followed the guy until the bhops fights. JT will beat pavlik very easily, anyone with boxing experience can see this. Go and check out pavlik's fight with miranda. Even with Miranda's very limited skills, when he counter punched and attempted to be defensive, he was able to time pavlik's slow shots, and even his slow wide punches were way quicker than pavliks. If he had the sense to tie pavlik up instead of taking a beating on the ropes, the fight would have been closer.

Cant wait for this fight, and I really hope the odds are in favor of pavlik because I will become a little richer that night.
:patsch Jermain could outbox Pavlik sure, for a while. But at some point, hes going to get hit. Jermain got backed up into the ropes by Winky-s JAB! First power shot he gets hit with(he will get hit at some point) will make him back up. First or second chance kelly gets hes going put Jermain in the ropes and KTFO of him. Hes not going to last as long as Miranda either. It might take longer for Pavlik to get him wobbly, but it will happen, and when it does, game over for jermain. Like amsterdamn said, hes been put in with light hitters for a reason. Bhop and Winky hurt him. I think ouma had him reeling. Jermain will only win if he runs all twelve rounds and gets another gift....

[ChampionsForever]

To be honest I can't see a guy who outboxed Bernard getting KTFO just like that to a raw brawler like Pavlik, I give Pavlik hes due, hes powerfull, walks through punches like their nothing and is relentless but lets not get to hasty here. Miranda was a style made for him to look good, and at the same time Spinks was a guy Taylor will always look shit against. I honestly think Pavlik would look like shit agaisnt Spinks......hes just to damn slick.

This is a 50/50 fight if you ask me, im not really bothered who wins aslong as it isn't a disputed decision again :yep, how people can knock JT for not "putting away" Wright or beating Hopkins decisively is a joke considering nobody has done it before other than a prime superman RJJ.

[markbrooklyn]

Wow you people are crazy.. You're all talking shit about Taylor and saying he's a pretender and this and that but Pavlik has fought a bunch of NOBODYS.. Yeah he beat Miranda but Miranda was a hype job that's all he was. Miranda himself fought nobodys.. The only person he fought with a "decent" name was old ass Eastman. Taylor fought P4P fighters and beat them. And he's never been dropped. Don't get me wrong I like Pavlik but he's not gonna KO Jermain Taylor that's for sure. You're all gonna be real suprised when Taylor stops Pavlik.. You forget the fighters he fought were mostly southpaws and are tough fights for ANYONE. He fought top fighters and Pavlik has not.. Give the man some respect!!

[Pimp C]

I can't believe so many here are hating on Taylor. I thought he lost the first fight with Hopkins and the Winky fight but he's more than good enough to handle Pavlik. It's going to be real funny around here after Taylor outclases Pavlik.

[alex-boxer42]

To be honest I can't see a guy who outboxed Bernard getting KTFO just like that to a raw brawler like Pavlik, I give Pavlik hes due, hes powerfull, walks through punches like their nothing and is relentless but lets not get to hasty here. Miranda was a style made for him to look good, and at the same time Spinks was a guy Taylor will always look shit against. I honestly think Pavlik would look like shit agaisnt Spinks......hes just to damn slick.

This is a 50/50 fight if you ask me, im not really bothered who wins aslong as it isn't a disputed decision again :yep, how people can knock JT for not "putting away" Wright or beating Hopkins decisively is a joke considering nobody has done it before other than a prime superman RJJ.

Bernard was 40, on his way out already, and still beat him in most peoples opinion. In NO WAY can you say jermain outboxed Hopkins. the only thing he did better than hopkins that night was throw more.

Ill try to make it simple for you, hopkins at that time=defensive fighter with faded power who still almost finished taylor at the end with very few punches. Pavlik, who hits WAY harder than anyone taylor has faced is going to pressure Jermain from the beggining an Jermain will certainly fold unless he knocks out pavlik first(highly doubt it) or runs like hes never ran before.(He will have to practice his running in the gym with Manny!)

manny already said this fight will end in a knockout. I think he knows if Taylor doesnt win by knockout, hes gunna lose by knockout.

[don owens]

If he jabs and moves all night Taylor may win a ud. if he fights he is toast, end of story.

[PH|LLA]

We'll see how much of a non factor he is when he brutally KO's your over hyped great white hope.
I also think that Taylor's black ass will beat Pavlik

[Axe]

If Taylor is overrated then Pavlik is the next Jeff Lacy.

[Amsterdam]

If Taylor is overrated then Pavlik is the next Jeff Lacy.

I don't know any knowledgable guy who thinks Pavlik is the next big thing, most of us just feel he has the style and power to KO Jermain Taylor, who is indeed vastly overrated on what he can do.

[Zakman]

I couldn't disagree more with this assesment. How did he beat Hopkins and draw with a fighter like Winky Wright if he has no ability.

He DIDN'T beat Hopkins or Wright - he got three bogus GIFT DECISIONS against them because he's got the connections to the most powerful network in the sport, and Wright, and particularly Hopkins were very unpopular with the boxing establishment. :nod

And that's why Taylor is, and always will be, a FRAUD!!! :yep

And come September, he's gonna be an UNCONSCIOUS fraud - HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!!!:-(

[sst]

Gift decisions? I know Hopkins has lots of fans but he lost 2 times to Taylor. Winky managed a draw but Taylor was no satisfied with that result. Wanted a rematch but it takes two to fight. Taylor is the champ and rightly so. If you don't like him ok but he is no disgrace to the sport. Unlike Hopkins with his punks attitude and his no stop whining.

[ChampionsForever]

He DIDN'T beat Hopkins or Wright - he got three bogus GIFT DECISIONS against them because he's got the connections to the most powerful network in the sport, and Wright, and particularly Hopkins were very unpopular with the boxing establishment. :nod

And that's why Taylor is, and always will be, a FRAUD!!! :yep

And come September, he's gonna be an UNCONSCIOUS fraud - HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!!!:-(

If HBO were behind the decisions then why were fights against a guy like Wright or an immediate rematch with Hopkins ever made?? surely their boxing experts knew these guys would be hell for their star but yet they make him fight the knowingly boring but supremely skillful Wright Hopkins and Spinks?? Hell the Spinks fight was a lose lose situation for JT seeing as Spinks was a LMW but HBO must have thought that fight spelled out "Gatti-Ward 4" or something to make it happen :huh.

If HBO are so corrupt and make everything in JTs favour then why would he have fought the best middleweight in 20years twice and then the most avoided man in boxing straight after?

[PH|LLA]

If HBO were behind the decisions then why were fights against a guy like Wright or an immediate rematch with Hopkins ever made?? surely their boxing experts knew these guys would be hell for their star but yet they make him fight the knowingly boring but supremely skillful Wright Hopkins and Spinks?? Hell the Spinks fight was a lose lose situation for JT seeing as Spinks was a LMW but HBO must have thought that fight spelled out "Gatti-Ward 4" or something to make it happen :huh.

If HBO are so corrupt and make everything in JTs favour then why would he have fought the best middleweight in 20years twice and then the most avoided man in boxing straight after?
good post

[Amsterdam]

If HBO were behind the decisions then why were fights against a guy like Wright or an immediate rematch with Hopkins ever made?? surely their boxing experts knew these guys would be hell for their star but yet they make him fight the knowingly boring but supremely skillful Wright Hopkins and Spinks?? Hell the Spinks fight was a lose lose situation for JT seeing as Spinks was a LMW but HBO must have thought that fight spelled out "Gatti-Ward 4" or something to make it happen :huh.

If HBO are so corrupt and make everything in JTs favour then why would he have fought the best middleweight in 20years twice and then the most avoided man in boxing straight after?

If you'd like to know the real answer -

Because Hopkins and Wright, even being P4P ranked fighters, do not present the kinds of intangibles needed at this point to really derail a true, hungry, young and 'highly skilled' top class MW fighter, this is FACT.

HBO and DiBella both knew that Hopkins was going to the scorecards, there was little chance of a KO either way, same with Wright, though DiBella thought Taylor would actually use his size and strength and supposed power to plow through Wright(like Winky is going to be plowed through if he fights a young, powerful MW at this point).

Pavlik is going to KO Taylor before 5, mark my words mate, bet on Pavlik.:good

Taylor can't deal with pressure and pressure is Pavlik's game.

[ChampionsForever]

If you'd like to know the real answer -

Because Hopkins and Wright, even being P4P ranked fighters, do not present the kinds of intangibles needed at this point to really derail a true, hungry, young and 'highly skilled' top class MW fighter, this is FACT.

HBO and DiBella both knew that Hopkins was going to the scorecards, there was little chance of a KO either way, same with Wright, though DiBella thought Taylor would actually use his size and strength and supposed power to plow through Wright(like Winky is going to be plowed through if he fights a young, powerful MW at this point).

Pavlik is going to KO Taylor before 5, mark my words mate, bet on Pavlik.:good

Taylor can't deal with pressure and pressure is Pavlik's game.

I won't argue with you on your prediction, you very well may be right but I don't think HBO have helped Taylor in any way shape or form. How can anybody in boxing predict that Hopkins or Wright don't present the kind of intangible's needed to beat the then untested and green Taylor?? Hopkin's de-railed and destroyed Felix Trinidad and DLH, hes the mother fucking king of de-railing but you make it seem as tho he's kind of a comfortable guy to fight:huh.

And the less said about Wright the better, that guy can embarrass you every second of every round like Tito found out, Wright and Hopkins are two of the toughest nuts to crack in boxing there is just no denying that at all and I can't see any arguement for those who say otherwise.

And by the way im not really a Taylor fan at all, I just admire the guy for fighting the best, if every champ was like him then every title would be unified and there would be no dispute as to who the man was :deal.

[Hollywoodxxl]

Pavlik better KO this pretender.
Let's hope Taylor doesn't go into survial mode and make it to the final bell.
You just know the judges will give it to him.

Personally, I only have the guy winning one out of his last 5 fights, but he always gets the benefit of the 'bad decisions'.

AMEN!!

[Amsterdam]

I won't argue with you on your prediction, you very well may be right but I don't think HBO have helped Taylor in any way shape or form. How can anybody in boxing predict that Hopkins or Wright don't present the kind of intangible's needed to beat the then untested and green Taylor?? Hopkin's de-railed and destroyed Felix Trinidad and DLH, hes the mother fucking king of de-railing but you make it seem as tho he's kind of a comfortable guy to fight:huh.

And the less said about Wright the better, that guy can embarrass you every second of every round like Tito found out, Wright and Hopkins are two of the toughest nuts to crack in boxing there is just no denying that at all and I can't see any arguement for those who say otherwise.

And by the way im not really a Taylor fan at all, I just admire the guy for fighting the best, if every champ was like him then every title would be unified and there would be no dispute as to who the man was :deal.

The issue with this 'common reasoning' is that Trinidad and DLH are not in the category of 'big powerful, skilled MW's', nor would either have defeated one(see Hopkins-Tito).

Tito was a 154 pound monster, DLH was a 147 pound monster and a very very good 154 pound elite, so these are fantastic wins in their own right and I am never going to deny that, but people never understand that these wins are different from other challenges. Just because someone is ranked P4P does not mean they present certain fighters with more challenges then non-P4P guys with the right types of intangibles to give that certain fighter hell.

Wright and Hopkins both are at the end of the line and neither will defeat any young, fresh strong guy from 160-175 general range, I assure you this.

These guys are GREAT fighters, but judged on REPUTATION at this point and not ABILITY and this is why people are missing the point that being competitive with either means dick with winning against hungry, strong and most of all LARGE AND POWERFUL MW's, something Taylor has never done and never will do, especially at the higher weight classes.

Wright even struggled badly with Sam Soliman, who in turn struggled with Enrique Ornelas and got starched in 9 by Anthony Mundine, it's all 'relative' and seeing past the bullshit rankings and the bullshit judgement by reputation only helps in predicting fights, which Zakman and I both are extremely proficient at doing.

Just my thoughts...

Do you see Wright beating Abraham, Pavlik... then jumping up to 12 st. and beating Bute-Froch-Mundine level 2nd tier SMW's even? I don't, that's why I am keeping this into context, Wright is an ATG 154 pounder who's skilled enough to keep going, but his time is running thin and any big, powerful MW-SMW will paste him, that's a damn fact and Taylor couldn't even win, thus why he's not P4P in my eyes.

[Thor]

He DIDN'T beat Hopkins or Wright - he got three bogus GIFT DECISIONS against them because he's got the connections to the most powerful network in the sport, and Wright, and particularly Hopkins were very unpopular with the boxing establishment. :nod

And that's why Taylor is, and always will be, a FRAUD!!! :yep

And come September, he's gonna be an UNCONSCIOUS fraud - HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision THIS time!!!!:-(

:blabla

[psychopath]

He's essentially a non-factor for the 160-168 realm, save for some truly deserving fighter around those weight classes to blast him and take the credit for defeating a 'NAME' opponent. I guess this has to be Pavlik, that's all right though, getting those titles away from Jermain Taylor is all I care about because he's an embarassment to the rich history of that division.

Any competant and large MW-SMW who has a punch would absolutely destroy this guy and Pavlik is going to show this, it'll likely be before round 5 and will also be entertaining.

Jermain Taylor is a prime example of ranking a fighter based of off defeating opponents with a set reputation and holding him to a high level because of that instead of really diving into the issue of what he is. It's truly a disgrace for him to have lasted in the P4P rankings that long when plenty of other fights(some lower weight classes that get no credit) have done tons more than he has, which all he has done is have 3 close fights with guys that have set reputations, but one being 40+ years old and the other being highly skilled, but feather fisted. You would expect that a proper MW king would have clearly defeated the aging, on his way out Hopkins and would have clearly defeated the crafty, but smaller Wright, instead, he got gifts over all 3 fights and has since struggled with a mediocre LMW pressure fighter who again has no punch and a very good LMW boxer, but one that any truly big MW would have easily put away if they weren't Jermain Taylor, this includes Abraham and Pavlik.

Pavlik is going to easily starch this fraud, Abraham would starch him and I am sure even Edison Miranda would catch him and put his lights out... this is just at MW, a weak division...

Imagine what a strong division like SMW, which is full of immense talent would do to Jermain Taylor, it's likely that even Sakio Bika level guys take him out.

Now let's jump up another division, the relatively stacked LHW, just about all of them would take him out with ease.

It'll be a good riddance when Pavlik removes this joke from the spectrum and I am glad that Ring magazine FINALLY removed him from the official P4P rankings, even though their new rankings still left out some deserving smaller guys, such as Cristian Mijares.

:good

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:

You've been opening your mouth too much against Taylor.

How about putting your balls where your mouth is? How a about a six MONTHS avatar and signature bet on this? :hey :hey :hey

Just for fun AMS. :yep :good

[SUNOF7]

Taylor is a weak middleweight champion. He does not characterize what a middleweight champion is. I mean, the guy gets hurt and looks to the ref for help... he did this in both Hopkins fights. What will he do against a hard puncher like Pavlik- we may see Taylor quit or have his corner throw in the towel in this bout

[Amsterdam]

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:

You've been opening your mouth too much against Taylor.

How about putting your balls where your mouth is? How a about a six MONTHS avatar and signature bet on this? :hey :hey :hey

Just for fun AMS. :yep :good

You're on.:good

Pavlik fight correct?

[psychopath]

You're on.:good

Pavlik fight correct?

Yup . . . I'll pick Taylor . . . you've got Pavlik. :yep :good

:D

[Amsterdam]

Yup . . . I'll pick Taylor . . . you've got Pavlik. :yep :good

:D

And the conditions, the avatar/sig bet has to be related to boxing, no homosexual shit.

If so, we've got a confirmed deal.

[psychopath]

And the conditions, the avatar/sig bet has to be related to boxing, no homosexual shit.

If so, we've got a confirmed deal.

Of course it's about boxing. :D

I picked Pavlik to destroy Miranda before . . . now I'm picking Taylor to beat Pavlik. :yep :lol:

I have nothing gainst Pav . . . I just pick winners. :good

[Amsterdam]

Of course it's about boxing. :D

I picked Pavlik to destroy Miranda before . . . now I'm picking Taylor to beat Pavlik. :yep :lol:

I have nothing gainst Pav . . . I just pick winners. :good

You also picked the crappy Margarito to destroy Williams, I schooled all of you Margarito fans on that one several times over.:yep

[Lance_Uppercut]

You also picked the crappy Margarito to destroy Williams, I schooled all of you Margarito fans on that one several times over.:yep

And you picked Zab to beat Baldomir Amsterdam. You're point was... :D

[psychopath]

You also picked the crappy Margarito to destroy Williams, I schooled all of you Margarito fans on that one several times over.:yep

Well it's not a bad loss because it's a give and take fight. It's not a domination by either fighter. Williams took the early rounds and Marg rallied in the later rounds.

Anyway . . . just the same I have nothing against Williams . . . I only picked a fighter and he lost. :yep :good

[Amsterdam]

Well it's not a bad loss because it's a give and take fight. It's not a domination by either fighter. Williams took the early rounds and Marg rallied in the later rounds.

Anyway . . . just the same I have nothing against Williams . . . I only picked a fighter and he lost. :yep :good

No, it's not an ignorant pick, Williams is nothing special. The ignorance involved is believing that Margarito is a true top class level Welterweight, I don't understand it personally, but it's officially gone regardless.

Taylor's is coming up.

[psychopath]

No, it's not an ignorant pick, Williams is nothing special. The ignorance involved is believing that Margarito is a true top class level Welterweight, I don't understand it personally, but it's officially gone regardless.

Taylor's is coming up.

Well I like Marg because of his fighting heart and style . . . true top class level welter? I never said he is No 1 . . . but I believe he still is on the top level . . . despite the lost. :yep

Ok then . . . let's just wait for the Taylor/Pav Fight. :happy :hi:

[Zakman]

Taylor is a weak middleweight champion. He does not characterize what a middleweight champion is. I mean, the guy gets hurt and looks to the ref for help... he did this in both Hopkins fights. What will he do against a hard puncher like Pavlik- we may see Taylor quit or have his corner throw in the towel in this bout

That could very easily happen. But I actually think that Taylor has a little secret - his chin isn't too good, which is why he went straight to fighting light-hitting fighters moving up from lower weight classes after Hopkins rocked him. I don't think he can take a punch from a real hard hitting MW in their prime and is gonna get LAID OUT COLD, early. :yep

[paulfv]

getting those titles away from Jermain Taylor is all I care about because he's an embarassment to the rich history of that division.

Here, here!

Well said, man.

Taylor could have been something, but all he's done is get gift decisions, fattened his coffers off of HBO, refused to listen to Manny Steward, lost his competitive edge and regressed as a fighter.

I don't necessarily blame the guy. I mean he went from being 'country' to having big $$$. But the bill is coming due for those bogus 'victories,' as well as the string of no-hoper jr. middles he's fought.

I think Pavlik is going to play 'Repo Man' and snatch the titles away from JT. Can't wait for this fight.

[sues2nd]

That could very easily happen. But I actually think that Taylor has a little secret - his chin isn't too good, which is why he went straight to fighting light-hitting fighters moving up from lower weight classes after Hopkins rocked him. I don't think he can take a punch from a real hard hitting MW in their prime and is gonna get LAID OUT COLD, early. :yep

I KNEW IT!!! THAT IS THE REASON BEHIND THE HATRED!!!

:lol: :lol:

Seriously, Taylor is gonna box Pavlik's ears off guys. Cmon....

[paulfv]

Seriously, Taylor is gonna box Pavlik's ears off guys. Cmon....


He could, he might just be too damn fast for KP and coast to a fairly-routine UD.

If Pavlik weren't as long and as tall as he is (and skilled), I would not be picking him. Look, RJJ was a lot faster than Tarver, but Tarver's reach allowed him to hit RJJ with shots that Jones wasn't used to being in range to get hit with (besides the fact that his reflexes had likely slipped).

Taylor is not the hardest guy in the world to hit. His chin might not be total crap, but I don't think it's iron, either.

I think KP is going to chop JT down. It might take awhile for him to 'catch up' to Taylor, but I think he will, and when he does, I think JT's "reign" as MW champ is going to go bye-byes.

[Amsterdam]

Only took the tiny, overrated Kassim Ouma 3-4 rounds before the pressure really started to break Taylor's mentality down and rip apart his gameplan, what's the larger Pavlik going to do?

Pavlik KO 5.:deal

[sues2nd]

Only took the tiny, overrated Kassim Ouma 3-4 rounds before the pressure really started to break Taylor's mentality down and rip apart his gameplan, what's the larger Pavlik going to do?

LOL, Taylor pretty much shut Ouma out. So are you saying the same will happen in the Pavlik fight?

Glad I could change your mind!!!

(with some clever editting from yours truely!!! :D )

[Amsterdam]

LOL, Taylor pretty much shut Ouma out. So are you saying the same will happen in the Pavlik fight?

Glad I could change your mind!!!

(with some clever editting from yours truely!!! :D )

Yes, he did, but the pressure got to him badly and he was hit with a lot of Ouma's feather dusters. Pavlik doesn't throw powder puff shots and the pressure will break Taylor down and open him up for the shots that WILL take him out of that fight.

Seems you and some others are posting more lately, the logical bunch have carved out a little niche on this forum and it can become addicting.

[Amsterdam]

I bet he also picked Tyson to beat Douglas. :roll:

I did man, I was 8 years old and Tyson was fucking cool.:good

[paulfv]

Only took the tiny, overrated Kassim Ouma 3-4 rounds before the pressure really started to break Taylor's mentality down and rip apart his gameplan, what's the larger Pavlik going to do?


Excellent point, Amsterdam.

I mean, my God, SPINKS had Taylor backing up.

This fight has some similarities with Calz.-Kessler. Taller guy: more 'robotic;' shorter guy: faster, more athletic, etc.

The difference is that Calz has skill to back up his talent; he doesn't just rely on his speed/athletic advantages in order to win.

Taylor, on the other hand, can't even find it in himself to listen to arguably one of the greatest trainers ever, and his game has actually seemed to worsen with time and now seems at its weakest when he should be in his prime.

Taylor is no chump; he's not going to just come in and lay down. He has some heart or he never would have gotten to this point.

The thing is, Pavlik is very serious and very focused. Yes, Miranda was outclassed, in terms of skill. But it wasn't just that Pavlik beat him but how he beat him: he walked through his EM's shots (from a power puncher), stayed in his gameplan, and smothered him. He totally broke him down, just step-by-step. It was awesome.

JT is a good fighter, much as I don't like to admit it. But he's fighting a larger guy who is very focused who is going to be on him from the get-go.

I think JT's in for a big wake-up call in this fight, similar to how I think Mosley is going to give Cotto a wake-up call.

[PrideOfWales]

Haven't you noticed when I don't like somebody, that I really become proficient at tearing them to pieces through analysation?:yep

You mean "analysis" yeah?

[4Rounder]

And you picked Zab to beat Baldomir Amsterdam. You're point was... :D

Don't forget about him picking Freitas to knock out Juan Diaz. :D

[Amsterdam]

I'm trying to help you man, that fool is calling you out cuz you had the same pick as the 99% of the boxing world when you picked Zab to beat Bladomir.

I know he was and I backed your statement with a sarcastic follow up. It's not like we knew anything about Baldomir to begin with, I didn't even know he was a pressure fighter for example, which is Judah's undoing, then add to the fact Zab's training and preparation, this is not even a serious thing.

Lance is getting at the fact that I still rate Zab Judah though.

[Amsterdam]

Don't forget about him picking Freitas to knock out Juan Diaz. :D

The other Diaz is going to finish the job.:good

[Lance_Uppercut]

Don't forget about him picking Freitas to knock out Juan Diaz. :D

Mr. "XXXX will 100% win!! Trust me!" wrong? I don't believe it...:bart

[Amsterdam]

Mr. "XXXX will 100% win!! Trust me!" wrong? I don't believe it...:bart

But you all forget the amount of times that I have made bold predictions, only nail them spot on when the majority of people were playing it conservative and acting like they couldn't select a winner. We can focus on the wrong picks, in the vast sea of spot on picks.

I like to make bold predictions, right or wrong.

[kg0208]

Amsterdam....I think Lance is trying to make a point that others have made before. You can be overbearing when you think you are right on a pick or a fight that has yet to happen. Even to the point of saying you KNOW you are right and that the other person just can't see it. Well, then in the cases you were wrong you are going to have to bite the bullet. I said this to you before when we were discussing Clottey vs Judah. I won't take your word for it no matter what you say because you are capable of being wrong just as I am. But you do press on about things when you think you are right...even when you can't prove it.

And Lance....come on now, NO ONE bet on Baldomir to beat Judah. Baldomir's mother was seen in Vegas before the fight secretly betting on Judah for godsakes.

All I am trying to say is....this whole thing is unnecessary.

[Suge Green]

It's all about JT following Uncle Manny's orders when Pav applies the pressure...Notably, Steward has seemed frustrated in the corner of Taylor at times, for his lack of application of Manny's instructions.

Surely, Manny "Band-Aid" Steward will have devised a perfect gameplan for dealing with Pav...I don't doubt this at all. What's questionable is Taylor's resolve to adhere the plan plan.

If it goes to the cards Hollywood Boxing Office will reward their pet another gift decision.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam....I think Lance is trying to make a point that others have made before. You can be overbearing when you think you are right on a pick or a fight that has yet to happen. Even to the point of saying you KNOW you are right and that the other person just can't see it. Well, then in the cases you were wrong you are going to have to bite the bullet. I said this to you before when we were discussing Clottey vs Judah. I won't take your word for it no matter what you say because you are capable of being wrong just as I am. But you do press on about things when you think you are right...even when you can't prove it.

And Lance....come on now, NO ONE bet on Baldomir to beat Judah. Baldomir's mother was seen in Vegas before the fight secretly betting on Judah for godsakes.

All I am trying to say is....this whole thing is unnecessary.

Dear KG, I fully realise the consequence/reward factor of bold, arrogant predictions, but it's just the way I am, nothing is going to stop them from coming out into play from my end. The reason this is the way it is, everyone has a posting format/personality and this stems from years of having immense success and hitting things spot on, but I don't seek to insult other posters, this is all just fun discussion.

It is unnecessary, but all of the frequent ESB posters should be well used to my format by now, most are in fact.

[Lance_Uppercut]

But you all forget the amount of times that I have made bold predictions, only nail them spot on when the majority of people were playing it conservative and acting like they couldn't select a winner. We can focus on the wrong picks, in the vast sea of spot on picks.

I like to make bold predictions, right or wrong.

Nothing wrong with bold pick and I applaud your gumption for making them. I admit ther have been some fights I really couldn't say one way or another. However, smugness is a trait I just do not like at all.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Amsterdam....I think Lance is trying to make a point that others have made before. You can be overbearing when you think you are right on a pick or a fight that has yet to happen. Even to the point of saying you KNOW you are right and that the other person just can't see it. Well, then in the cases you were wrong you are going to have to bite the bullet. I said this to you before when we were discussing Clottey vs Judah. I won't take your word for it no matter what you say because you are capable of being wrong just as I am. But you do press on about things when you think you are right...even when you can't prove it.

And Lance....come on now, NO ONE bet on Baldomir to beat Judah. Baldomir's mother was seen in Vegas before the fight secretly betting on Judah for godsakes.

All I am trying to say is....this whole thing is unnecessary.

Thank you for eloquently posting what I was trying to say KG.

As for Judah - Baldomir, I agree. I even picked Judah. That was just to show NO ONE is 100%, no matter how often they pat their own back.

[kg0208]

Dear KG, I fully realise the consequence/reward factor of bold, arrogant predictions, but it's just the way I am, nothing is going to stop them from coming out into play from my end. The reason this is the way it is, everyone has a posting format/personality and this stems from years of having immense success and hitting things spot on, but I don't seek to insult other posters, this is all just fun discussion.

It is unnecessary, but all of the frequent ESB posters should be well used to my format by now, most are in fact.
But just as they are aware of how you are, you must be aware that your process of explaining your picks can often come off as smug and be aware of their thoughts just as they are aware of yours. I am not saying change it, just don't be surprised by their reaction.

I know how I come off and certainly am not surprised by the people who don't like me on this board. They all tend to have the same personalities anyways....

[Amsterdam]

Nothing wrong with bold pick and I applaud your gumption for making them. I admit ther have been some fights I really couldn't say one way or another.

I have a cemented opinion for all fights and will throw it, I LOVE the fight picking game, I really do. It's really not a big deal though.


However, smugness is a trait I just do not like at all.


:|

[Amsterdam]

Thank you for eloquently posting what I was trying to say KG.

As for Judah - Baldomir, I agree. I even picked Judah. That was just to show NO ONE is 100%, no matter how often they pat their own back.

Gatti-Gomez was 100% Gomez.

[Amsterdam]

But just as they are aware of how you are, you must be aware that your process of explaining your picks can often come off as smug and be aware of their thoughts just as they are aware of yours. I am not saying change it, just don't be surprised by their reaction.

It depends on the mood, if I am in a joking mood then I'll post some overbearing/off the wall stuff. If I am in a serious mood then I can be boringly objective, I am sure you've seen both.


I know how I come off and certainly am not surprised by the people who don't like me on this board. They all tend to have the same personalities anyways....


This is a forum, objectivity gets old fast.

[kg0208]

Gatti-Gomez was 100% Gomez.

Gatti vs the Geko in the Geico commercials would be 100% for the Geko at this point. :hey

[kg0208]

This is a forum, objectivity gets old fast

Obviously.....which is all the more reason to stay objective. :good

[Amsterdam]

Gatti vs the Geko in the Geico commercials would be 100% for the Geko at this point. :hey

Yes, the gecko could probably KO him at that fact. Point being that 'some things' are 100%, or let's say this - 'as close to certain as a sporting event can get', and this is how I view a large, hard hitting pressure fighter over the horrible status of this Jermain Taylor(and this is not a bandwagon thing, you can note that I was expressing dislike towards Taylor since summer 2005 and I was arguing with you that he would not KO Ouma due to pressure last November).

Likewise that Peter KOing the slow, old Maskaev is '100%', and Lance agreed with that fact earlier, he simply just doesn't like my material involving Taylor.

[Zakman]

Let me too put in a word for making bold pics, because that's generally my approach too. Like Amsterdam, I find picking fights to be very fun - and making bold, often risky pics makes it even more fun. Sure, you run the risk of being wrong, but if you know the sport pretty well, you'll typically hit 'em more than you don't. And when you hit a bold pic - particularly if you're one of only a few to make it - there's really nothing quite like it.

Lemme tell you - the night Sprott starched Fraudley after I was like one of two people on this entire site to call it was a truly exhilarating experience. I will remember that one fondly for quite some time! :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

Gatti-Gomez was 100% Gomez.

I picked Gomez. How about you?

[Amsterdam]

I picked Gomez. How about you?

Gomez also, do you agree it was '100%'. How about Maskaev-Peter?

How does Maskaev win if Peter is even in moderate fighting condition judging by styles, intangibles, age etc.?

That's '100%' for our purposes.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Yes, the gecko could probably KO him at that fact. Point being that 'some things' are 100%, or let's say this - 'as close to certain as a sporting event can get', and this is how I view a large, hard hitting pressure fighter over the horrible status of this Jermain Taylor(and this is not a bandwagon thing, you can note that I was expressing dislike towards Taylor since summer 2005 and I was arguing with you that he would not KO Ouma due to pressure last November).

Likewise that Peter KOing the slow, old Maskaev is '100%', and Lance agreed with that fact earlier, he simply just doesn't like my material involving Taylor.

Pavlik KOing Taylor by.....6 did you say in another thread? That isn't 100%. I like Pavlik and loved his fight with Miranda. But a little perspective is required. Edison Miranda, while an exciting fighter to watch, is NOT on the level of Hopkins UNLESS he proves otherwise.

I think Taylor will beart Pavlik because:

1. Taylor still feels like he gets no respect and I expect him to be in to form for this fight w/ another young MW. He's already beaten fighter much better then Pavkil.

2. Nothing slows down a pressure fighter like a stiff jab and hard follow up right. WHile I think Pavlik starts fast, I think he'll slow down some when he see's his punches aren't backing Taylor like he hoped. One a puncher doesn't believe in his punch anymore, it's over.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Gomez also, do you agree it was '100%'. How about Maskaev-Peter?

How does Maskaev win if Peter is even in moderate fighting condition judging by styles, intangibles, age etc.?

That's '100%' for our purposes.

A few things are 100% boxing. Floyd over Zab was 100%. Floyd over BAldomir. I 100% knew at this point Gomez would beat Gatti (Not the way he did however :shock:), and yes, Peter over Maskaev is about as 100% as you get in the HW division. Only other 100% pick @ HW would be Wlad over Oleg.

[C Money]

I picked gatti against Gomez:beat But I got the Williams over Margarito right:hey No one's right 100% of the time. Amsterdam does do very well over all in picking.

Hey Amsterdam, you obviously cant stand Taylor, but I would hope that you at least respect the path of opposition he's walked. He's arguably had the best oppostion of anyone in the sport in his last 5 fights and 6 when you include Pavlik.

Now, I'm a Pavlik fan and rooting for himin this fight, but Taylor has been an achilles heel for me. I generally do well myself picking but I lost twice picking against the guy with Hops and Wright was a draw. I'm afraid could be a third with Pavlik, though I hope not.

I've come to respect the willingness of Taylor to fight like a champion, even if you dont like him. He seems almost the Anti-Mayweather.

[Silverfox]

Taylor fights like an amateur.

[PACZ]

Its Too Bad I Like Talor. He's In Trouble.