Has Mundine responded......

[CarltonBlues]

to the middleweight champion of the world's call? Wasn't Pavlik one of the cats that were ducking him? It doesn't get any bigger than Kelly Pavlik at 160 and Choc has been strangely quiet.

[ashley]

to the middleweight champion of the world's call? Wasn't Pavlik one of the cats that were ducking him? It doesn't get any bigger than Kelly Pavlik at 160 and Choc has been strangely quiet.

Dont think so mate...choc is top 4 to 7 in MW and thats about it....just like SMW.....I dont see him fighting Pav or AA......I do see him fighting Sturm or the #2 contender for the vacant WBA strap or regular title...maybe Zibic or Griffen

[CarltonBlues]

This is the first time a big name/big money fighter has mentioned him though, I thought he would jump at the chance.

[smellmyfinger]

I was going to start another thread, but damm, we have way too many, so ill post this here. Hope u dont mind CarltonBlues? Just posted this in a thread in the lounge.

I was a big fan of Anthony's. I even got into fights defending him. Sadly, my support wasnt rewarded by his efforts. This is how i remember hi career.

Mundine had a couple of ametuer fights at about age 17. He then went on to play professional Rugby. At age 26, he gave up a $600 000 contract to try boxing.

With no ametuer career, he faught for the world title in his 11th pro fight. His natural skill saw him compete very well for 9 rounds, but in the end, it was too early in his career for such a fight. We all know what happened in round 10.

A few years later he got a shot at the vacant WBA SM title where he easily outpointed Antwun Echols. It was a good performance, but it was clear he still wasnt ready for the elite, and this showed when he lost a split decision to Manny Siaca, who is hardly elite.

He went away from that fight and worked hard on being more aggressive and not running, and tried more side to side movement. He improved a great deal.

He then had his 4th World title fight against Kessler. He went down in a pretty entertaining fight, with Mundine landing the cleaner shots, but Kessler outworking him. I had Kessler by 2 or 3.

This was the time Mundine could have gone on to be a real player in the SM division. He went on to easily account for the dangerous Danny Green (who went on to be LH champ).

A dominant KO of Sam Soliman ( who gave Winky Wright hell for 12 rounds) put him in a great position. With Calzaghe moving up to LH, this left Mundine the sole holder of the WBA belt.

The honourable thing to do was to give Kessler a rematch. And at this time, Mundine was at his very best. It would have been a great fight. But instead, Mundine ran.

He relinguished his World Title to fight bum after bum while proclaiming he's going to take the MW division by storm. While taking his time to drop the weight, i believe he was hoping Taylor, Pavlik and Abraham were going to go up to SM, so he could turn around and say they are dodging him. Well, Pavlik and Abraham are still there, and he's now at a loss. He doesnt want to fight them, he doesnt even want to fight Sturm. He'll go for the IBO title against Daniel Geale.

His last 2 years of boxing has let fans like me down. Its a big slap in the face to us.

Anthony Mundine is one of the most naturally talented fighter to ever come from Australia. I believe if he never played League and stuck to boxing at age 17, had 68-80 ametuer fights, he could have been anything.

But in the end, he's turned out to be liar who'll never know how good he could have been.

[ashley]

[quote=CarltonBlues;3506906]This is the first time a big name/big money fighter has mentioned him though, I thought he would jump at the chance.[/quote

Yes I know and it sounds good but Mundine wont take the fight because it will mean another loss on his record.....that means a loss of money as well.

Mundine will play it safe and try and fight for the vacant or regular MW strap however if he has no other option he will fight Sturm

[the beaver]

I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out he doesn't want to fight AA or Pav, but what does surprise me, is he didn't respond to Pavlik's comments at all. I thought the mouth would have said I'll fight Pavlik blah blah blah just to big note himself........... Be interesting to see if his bum chum Danny Weilder says anything on the subject in the coming weeks.

[lennypham]

Mundine was on melbourne radio SEN on monday nite for about half an hour after midnight in the studio. I was surprised he was on so late, he just flew in after the 20/20 charity match n was having surgery in melbourne this week.

To my surprise the interviewer actually knew a bit about boxing and was asking some good questions.
Just to recap what he said.
- Mundine having surgery on his hip (Tuesday just gone), same surgeon that operated on Hewitt, said his hip was becoming such a problem that he struggled to bend over to tie his shoelace. Says he will be out for bout 6-8 weeks and expects to recover 100% (possible reason for lack of power @160?)
- Next fight is definitiely Geale. Said the IBO belt will give him more options and open up more doors.
-Interviewer then probed him who he wants after Geale, then mundine said he didnt want to give too much away but to expect a big name.
- Was then asked about Danny Green, Mundine said Green wasn't in his immediate plans for this year. Talked about how he been trying to get his body right at 160, n not sure how going back up to 175 will affect him.
- IN closing statements, mundine actually gave a shout out to his fans to stick by him and expect big things. Actually sounded like he realises that a lot of his actual fans have jumpmed off the bandwagon in the last few years.

[ashley]

Mundine was on melbourne radio SEN on monday nite for about half an hour after midnight in the studio. I was surprised he was on so late, he just flew in after the 20/20 charity match n was having surgery in melbourne this week.

To my surprise the interviewer actually knew a bit about boxing and was asking some good questions.
Just to recap what he said.
- Mundine having surgery on his hip (Tuesday just gone), same surgeon that operated on Hewitt, said his hip was becoming such a problem that he struggled to bend over to tie his shoelace. Says he will be out for bout 6-8 weeks and expects to recover 100% (possible reason for lack of power @160?)
- Next fight is definitiely Geale. Said the IBO belt will give him more options and open up more doors.
-Interviewer then probed him who he wants after Geale, then mundine said he didnt want to give too much away but to expect a big name.
- Was then asked about Danny Green, Mundine said Green wasn't in his immediate plans for this year. Talked about how he been trying to get his body right at 160, n not sure how going back up to 175 will affect him.
- IN closing statements, mundine actually gave a shout out to his fans to stick by him and expect big things. Actually sounded like he realises that a lot of his actual fans have jumpmed off the bandwagon in the last few years.

Gday mate and welcome to Aussie ESB....thanks for the news....I will look forward to the Geale fight...thought this was his next move....hope its sturm next or at least the vacant MW WBA strap :good

[mundinechamp]

Mundine was on melbourne radio SEN on monday nite for about half an hour after midnight in the studio. I was surprised he was on so late, he just flew in after the 20/20 charity match n was having surgery in melbourne this week.

To my surprise the interviewer actually knew a bit about boxing and was asking some good questions.
Just to recap what he said.
- Mundine having surgery on his hip (Tuesday just gone), same surgeon that operated on Hewitt, said his hip was becoming such a problem that he struggled to bend over to tie his shoelace. Says he will be out for bout 6-8 weeks and expects to recover 100% (possible reason for lack of power @160?)
- Next fight is definitiely Geale. Said the IBO belt will give him more options and open up more doors.
-Interviewer then probed him who he wants after Geale, then mundine said he didnt want to give too much away but to expect a big name.
- Was then asked about Danny Green, Mundine said Green wasn't in his immediate plans for this year. Talked about how he been trying to get his body right at 160, n not sure how going back up to 175 will affect him.
- IN closing statements, mundine actually gave a shout out to his fans to stick by him and expect big things. Actually sounded like he realises that a lot of his actual fans have jumpmed off the bandwagon in the last few years.

Good post, thanks for the news mate!

[smellmyfinger]

More options? I thought being the mandatory for Sturm was a pretty good option.

[lennypham]

Gday mate and welcome to Aussie ESB....thanks for the news....I will look forward to the Geale fight...thought this was his next move....hope its sturm next or at least the vacant MW WBA strap :good

No worries mate. Been a long time reader of the forum so i thought i'd finally post.

More options? I thought being the mandatory for Sturm was a pretty good option.

Same here mate. Maybe he talking in terms of leverage in that he'd be better suited at the negotiating table if he had a belt.

[ashley]

Story on fox sports from the charity 20/20 game....first time I have seen this story....Mundine talks about Geale....but most of all he said Pav is his main target....I know its shit but as per the title I guess thats his reply...."I want Pavlik"

[baha74]

By the way smellmyfinger, nice rundown!:good

[buster007]

blah, blah, blah.

mundine says the same thing all the time and until he is in the ring with a big name then nothing he says can be taken seriously.

surely people don't need to be reminded of the bullshit that has come out of his gob before.

[Bognashavin]

good summary by smellmyfing. Until Mundine is actually in the ring with someone major I will not beleive it, he has had more than enough time and chances. If he does make it though I'll wish him the best, until we see him running away . . . .

[SexualPanda]

This is the first time a big name/big money fighter has mentioned him though, I thought he would jump at the chance.

Jump at the chance??
Have u even been following his career over the past 3 years??? :huh

[shiner]

As stupid as some might think it sounds (given I have no respcet for his under achieving black arse) I see him beating pavlick.
Styles make fights and pavlik is simliar to green and I honestly believe not as skillful.
Hopkins showed this very easily!
I think he should actually do it at super middle as this would clealry favour mundine but unfortunately offers no belts.

[flamengo]

HMMMM... Pav would be foolish to fight at LH/W against Mundine... especially with no title on the line. The match, at M/W, is in Pavs favour for weight class, as well as a possible 'return' clause in the contract, should Pav lose. IMO, Mundine has the goods to test and beat Pav... personally wanted this fight for the last 6 months.

[ashley]

As stupid as some might think it sounds (given I have no respcet for his under achieving black arse) I see him beating pavlick.
Styles make fights and pavlik is simliar to green and I honestly believe not as skillful.
Hopkins showed this very easily!
I think he should actually do it at super middle as this would clealry favour mundine but unfortunately offers no belts.

Dude...I like Mundine.....more than the average guy...but you gotta stop :hat when doing your pixs :hey

[flamengo]

I wouldn't mind seeing this fight. Pavlik is similar to Danny Green. But his work rate, is scary. Mundine will have to be on his game. And i mean 110%. I can see Kelly dominating. Or Mundine totally dominating the fight. I don' think it will be close either way.

I have a feeling such a fight would blow up in the US? Meaning that as soon as they here the arrogance of Mundine. The publicity just goes massive for the bout.

If Mundine shoots his mouth off in the USA, he will be laughed out of the country... nothing he says is original. Its quite embarasssing to listen to.

I would be happy to see him fight Pav... It's a total disgrace, the avenues taken by the managers/decision makers... Too much coasting will take its toll.

[ashley]

But i think Pavlik wins?

:huh I was talking to shiner?......I think Pav wins as well

[Rodin]

This is the first time a big name/big money fighter has mentioned him though, I thought he would jump at the chance.

Mate, Khoder might be a lot of things, but he ain't stupid.
Kelly Pavlik is a future hall of famer.
This is no lucky slugger, he would stop Choc before the halfway mark & Choc's camp knows it.

Never happen.:good

[stiflers mum]

As stupid as some might think it sounds (given I have no respcet for his under achieving black arse) I see him beating pavlick.
Styles make fights and pavlik is simliar to green and I honestly believe not as skillful.
Hopkins showed this very easily!
I think he should actually do it at super middle as this would clealry favour mundine but unfortunately offers no belts.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Nut hugging at its worst. A guy that beat Taylor twice not as skillful as Green and who jumped 2 weight divisions to fight a still very dangerous Hopkins in a attempt to win to force Calzaghe to fight him against a guy who doused his undies rather than defend his title once against Garay.:patsch

[the beaver]

Mate, Khoder might be a lot of things, but he ain't stupid.
Kelly Pavlik is a future hall of famer.
This is no lucky slugger, he would stop Choc before the halfway mark & Choc's camp knows it.

Never happen.:good

You might be right about stopping Choc, but u are overrating Pavlik a touch..... Future hall of farmer? :think . Still needs to achieve a lot more obviously, but that Hopkins fight showed he might be a level below the elite.

[roscoe]

Mandy said he'l fight Pavlik when his vagina heals properly.

[SexualPanda]

As stupid as some might think it sounds (given I have no respcet for his under achieving black arse) I see him beating pavlick.
Styles make fights and pavlik is simliar to green and I honestly believe not as skillful.
Hopkins showed this very easily!
I think he should actually do it at super middle as this would clealry favour mundine but unfortunately offers no belts.

Don't you EVER mention Mundine's name in the same context as Hopkins again. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Bognashavin]

Mandy said he'l fight Pavlik when his vagina heals properly.

Did he stick a contact lens in there?

[twoohands]

I was going to start another thread, but damm, we have way too many, so ill post this here. Hope u dont mind CarltonBlues? Just posted this in a thread in the lounge.

I was a big fan of Anthony's. I even got into fights defending him. Sadly, my support wasnt rewarded by his efforts. This is how i remember hi career.

Mundine had a couple of ametuer fights at about age 17. He then went on to play professional Rugby. At age 26, he gave up a $600 000 contract to try boxing.

With no ametuer career, he faught for the world title in his 11th pro fight. His natural skill saw him compete very well for 9 rounds, but in the end, it was too early in his career for such a fight. We all know what happened in round 10.

A few years later he got a shot at the vacant WBA SM title where he easily outpointed Antwun Echols. It was a good performance, but it was clear he still wasnt ready for the elite, and this showed when he lost a split decision to Manny Siaca, who is hardly elite.

He went away from that fight and worked hard on being more aggressive and not running, and tried more side to side movement. He improved a great deal.

He then had his 4th World title fight against Kessler. He went down in a pretty entertaining fight, with Mundine landing the cleaner shots, but Kessler outworking him. I had Kessler by 2 or 3.

This was the time Mundine could have gone on to be a real player in the SM division. He went on to easily account for the dangerous Danny Green (who went on to be LH champ).

A dominant KO of Sam Soliman ( who gave Winky Wright hell for 12 rounds) put him in a great position. With Calzaghe moving up to LH, this left Mundine the sole holder of the WBA belt.

The honourable thing to do was to give Kessler a rematch. And at this time, Mundine was at his very best. It would have been a great fight. But instead, Mundine ran.

He relinguished his World Title to fight bum after bum while proclaiming he's going to take the MW division by storm. While taking his time to drop the weight, i believe he was hoping Taylor, Pavlik and Abraham were going to go up to SM, so he could turn around and say they are dodging him. Well, Pavlik and Abraham are still there, and he's now at a loss. He doesnt want to fight them, he doesnt even want to fight Sturm. He'll go for the IBO title against Daniel Geale.

His last 2 years of boxing has let fans like me down. Its a big slap in the face to us.

Anthony Mundine is one of the most naturally talented fighter to ever come from Australia. I believe if he never played League and stuck to boxing at age 17, had 68-80 ametuer fights, he could have been anything.

But in the end, he's turned out to be liar who'll never know how good he could have been.


Mate i couldnt have said it better myself. I too am a fan and have always stuck up for him and admired his skill and natural ability. But over the last 2 years i am also feeling let down as a fan. Good post...

[roscoe]

Yeah solid post stinky finger. Bogan I think the contact lens belongs to Barry Michael.

[Rodin]

You might be right about stopping Choc, but u are overrating Pavlik a touch..... Future hall of farmer? :think . Still needs to achieve a lot more obviously, but that Hopkins fight showed he might be a level below the elite.

Well mate, this bloke can think on two levels when he's fighting.
He is freaky the way he has a plan for both hands.

My first impression on him without knowing his background or record was that of a successful transitional amateur (By the way he fought).
but of late, I have watched a few of his fights, back to Bronco McCart, & you simply have to admire his "Science". He just doesn't give an opponents plan a chance.
Very clever fighter. See if I'm wrong.;)

[the beaver]

Well mate, this bloke can think on two levels when he's fighting.
He is freaky the way he has a plan for both hands.

My first impression on him without knowing his background or record was that of a successful transitional amateur (By the way he fought).
but of late, I have watched a few of his fights, back to Bronco McCart, & you simply have to admire his "Science". He just doesn't give an opponents plan a chance.
Very clever fighter. See if I'm wrong.;)

I guess time will tell ...... but i would like your thoughts on his plan with both hands against Hopkins?

Mind you Hopkins was the outsider in the fight and some people were saying he was over the hill.

Pavliks biggest name is Taylor x 2 and the first fight was lucky Pav didn't get stopped.

[TheDuke]

I guess time will tell ...... but i would like your thoughts on his plan with both hands against Hopkins?

Mind you Hopkins was the outsider in the fight and some people were saying he was over the hill.

Pavliks biggest name is Taylor x 2 and the first fight was lucky Pav didn't get stopped.

Yes that is a big name in my opinion, a guy who the record books say beat Hopkins twice.

I don't think Mundine will get in the ring at middlewight with Kelly Pavlik

Who are the three biggest wins on Mundines resume and where do they stand in world boxing? I'm thinking Soliman, Green and Echols???? Am i missing a bigger fish? Even WE get wrapped up in the mouth: he has done nothing as a boxer (as opposed to as an athlete/personality).

[LeonMcS]

Seems to be a bit of disrespect towards Pavlik which I've never understood.

The level of his opponent gradually stepped up all the way through his career. From memory only five had losing records when he fought them. He took on the dangerous Edison Miranda who was just coming off a win over Allan Green. Nobody else wanted to near Miranda but Pavlik pushed him back from the start and dominated him in a great KO win.

Knocked down and recovered against Taylor the first time, was on the verge of being stopped but Taylor couldn't land the finishing blow. Came out and won the next round and then scored that spectacular KO.

Outboxed Taylor in the rematch. Got schooled against Hopkins 10 pds above his mw limit, a result very few picked (onya teke) but will have learnt a great deal from that.

Last time out dominated Rubio yet when Rubio decided to try his hand at throwing some punches that did land got paid back in interest.

The guy is a monster at mw and would destroy Mundine. The only name out there for Pavlik is Abraham and theres no rush for that, why kill off the only valid name there is for him to fight?

Like Rodin, I've watched 18 of his 36 bouts and don't think he gets a fair crack. I've got a soft spot for him because it was the first Taylor bout that got me back into following the sport.

God I'd love to see him fight Mundine but I'll believe when they're accross the ring from each other and the bell rings.

[the beaver]

10lbs above his weight???? FFS the bloke is 6'3

Didn't bother him fighting at 168-170lbs against Taylor the second time. But i guess people will always look for excuses (Hopkins fight)

If you look at my original post i stated that i think he has a long way to go with respect to someone calling him a future hall of famer.

Pavlik is the best out there at the moment at MW no issue there, but he is slightly overrated nonetheless.

[LeonMcS]

My argument is that hes not a natural at 170lbs, Hopkins, it could be said with hindsight, drew him into a carefully laid trap.

Your correct on the HOF call, way too early for that and his resume needs more. I don't think hes over-rated at mw, incredibly weak division at the moment unfortunately. Over-rated on a p4p scale, possibly, but thats always the individuals opinion. I'd have him just outside the top 10.

Yeah, good point on the Taylor rematch at the higher weight, but he was facing an opponent he'd already beaten badly and the effects of that were still with Taylor. mate, I'll offer no excuses for the Hopkins fight, he got schooled, but I reckon in the long run it will benefit him and really, it was a career defining victory by Hopkins which we were lucky to witness.

Actually an opponent who might be interesting for Pavlik is Paul Williams, if he can carry the weight. Just acquired a few of his fights and his potential is scary, incredible reach that will cause more fighters problems and seems to have his head screwed on right. Havn't watched Qunitana I yet but will be interested to see how he bettered him.

[Francis75]

Leon - Quintana boxed brilliantly imo in defeating Paul Williams. Sensational pure boxing against the bigger/taller man. We all know that Williams blew him away in the rematch though.

[LeonMcS]

Yeah, looking forward to watching it, but have a backlog of around 3500 fights to get thru yet, I sorta forgot that even though its fun to collect it might be a good idea to spare some time to watch the bloody things as well.

[Rodin]

My argument is that hes not a natural at 170lbs, Hopkins, it could be said with hindsight, drew him into a carefully laid trap.

Your correct on the HOF call, way too early for that and his resume needs more. I don't think hes over-rated at mw, incredibly weak division at the moment unfortunately. Over-rated on a p4p scale, possibly, but thats always the individuals opinion. I'd have him just outside the top 10.

Yeah, good point on the Taylor rematch at the higher weight, but he was facing an opponent he'd already beaten badly and the effects of that were still with Taylor. mate, I'll offer no excuses for the Hopkins fight, he got schooled, but I reckon in the long run it will benefit him and really, it was a career defining victory by Hopkins which we were lucky to witness.

Actually an opponent who might be interesting for Pavlik is Paul Williams, if he can carry the weight. Just acquired a few of his fights and his potential is scary, incredible reach that will cause more fighters problems and seems to have his head screwed on right. Havn't watched Qunitana I yet but will be interested to see how he bettered him.



What you have to remember when you're juggling weights is it's easy to get bogged down with the numbers.
A Middleweight fought a light heavy. That's the definitive difference.
A few pounds to a thoroughbred can have an amazing effect on their performance. In the boxing game of late, the two primary examples might be Hatton (V Collazo) & ODH (V Manny).

Re the HOF prediction. It's not cast in stone, it's just an opinion.
One thing you have to notice, is that there are not many fighters in the upper weight division that have trod a tougher path so successfully.

We have to be pretty careful when we say that a division is weak, because we tend to compare a purple patch with every period.

The days of Hagler Hearns Leonard Duran are not around every other corner.
JMO

[JOSEY WALES]

Looks like there are some weak arse Boxing scibs down under , how come no Journo has the balls to stick a mic under this clowns nose and ask him point blank what the crack is ? , BTW who's that clown who interviwed him Post Taylor at the AIOS ? man that guy had his nose so far up Mundines shitter i thought it was a wind up .

[pecks]

Seems to be a bit of disrespect towards Pavlik which I've never understood.

The level of his opponent gradually stepped up all the way through his career. From memory only five had losing records when he fought them. He took on the dangerous Edison Miranda who was just coming off a win over Allan Green. Nobody else wanted to near Miranda but Pavlik pushed him back from the start and dominated him in a great KO win.

Knocked down and recovered against Taylor the first time, was on the verge of being stopped but Taylor couldn't land the finishing blow. Came out and won the next round and then scored that spectacular KO.

Outboxed Taylor in the rematch. Got schooled against Hopkins 10 pds above his mw limit, a result very few picked (onya teke) but will have learnt a great deal from that.

Last time out dominated Rubio yet when Rubio decided to try his hand at throwing some punches that did land got paid back in interest.

The guy is a monster at mw and would destroy Mundine. The only name out there for Pavlik is Abraham and theres no rush for that, why kill off the only valid name there is for him to fight?

Like Rodin, I've watched 18 of his 36 bouts and don't think he gets a fair crack. I've got a soft spot for him because it was the first Taylor bout that got me back into following the sport.

God I'd love to see him fight Mundine but I'll believe when they're accross the ring from each other and the bell rings.
Many people tend to bag out a fighter when they see their fans going overboard, and this was the case with Pavlik.
I called him a hype job waiting to get exposed. That was in reply to the many people who claimed he'd be the new king, and that he'd wipe the floor with guys like Calzaghe and Kessler.
The Hopkins result didn't surprise me much at all, and I said before hand that if he did fight Calzaghe, he'd get toyed with a bit and lose a wide decision. Kessler would be way too good for him also.

People can't bag him for his selection of fights though.

[teke]

Many people tend to bag out a fighter when they see their fans going overboard, and this was the case with Pavlik.
I called him a hype job waiting to get exposed. That was in reply to the many people who claimed he'd be the new king, and that he'd wipe the floor with guys like Calzaghe and Kessler.
The Hopkins result didn't surprise me much at all, and I said before hand that if he did fight Calzaghe, he'd get toyed with a bit and lose a wide decision. Kessler would be way too good for him also.

People can't bag him for his selection of fights though.:deal

I will add AA as a hype job aswell

[Rodin]

Many people tend to bag out a fighter when they see their fans going overboard, and this was the case with Pavlik.
I called him a hype job waiting to get exposed. That was in reply to the many people who claimed he'd be the new king, and that he'd wipe the floor with guys like Calzaghe and Kessler.
The Hopkins result didn't surprise me much at all, and I said before hand that if he did fight Calzaghe, he'd get toyed with a bit and lose a wide decision. Kessler would be way too good for him also.

People can't bag him for his selection of fights though.

On paper, Kelly V Joe would be an extraordinary fight. Joe makes excellent use of his lefty stance & never stops punching. Kelly is not phased by southpaws & counters according to the pace. He is also good at getting his foot outside in these exchanges & has solid left rip.
Having said that, it's still a middy V a LH & I think that is too much of a disadvantage.
Re Kessler.
He's a fighter that wins on the front foot. I watched one of his earlier fights with a european contender that exposed his vulnerability on the back foot & I noticed that in the fights I saw before Joe, his opponents had their best rounds when they could walk him back. Joe made Kessler feel surrounded. He never let the dane stand still for a moment, & I have no doubt in the world that Pavlik would do the same but in smaller doses but in a much more punishing fashion. I couldn't see Kessler fighting his own fight beyond 6-7 rounds, that's if he was allowed to get on the front foot at all.

JMO

[pecks]

On paper, Kelly V Joe would be an extraordinary fight. Joe makes excellent use of his lefty stance & never stops punching. Kelly is not phased by southpaws & counters according to the pace. He is also good at getting his foot outside in these exchanges & has solid left rip.
Having said that, it's still a middy V a LH & I think that is too much of a disadvantage.
Re Kessler.
He's a fighter that wins on the front foot. I watched one of his earlier fights with a european contender that exposed his vulnerability on the back foot & I noticed that in the fights I saw before Joe, his opponents had their best rounds when they could walk him back. Joe made Kessler feel surrounded. He never let the dane stand still for a moment, & I have no doubt in the world that Pavlik would do the same but in smaller doses but in a much more punishing fashion. I couldn't see Kessler fighting his own fight beyond 6-7 rounds, that's if he was allowed to get on the front foot at all.

JMO
Trouble is, noones been able to capitalize much on Kessler when he goes back. It's not like he has a garbage defence or a suspect chin either.

As I said before regarding a Green/Kessler fight (before the forum cops deleted the thread), Kessler is more fluent with his punches. He has good speed for a big guy, and is precise with his punches.
Apart from power, Kelly doesn't have one advantage over Kessler at all, and I just don't see Kessler putting himself in a vulnerable position enough to see him lose against Pavlik.
I believe Pavlik would try to make Kesler feel like he has no room, but I don't think he'd be able to execute his plan well enough.

Joe would beat him with a bit of ease imo. He's just too crafty and has too much ring smarts for Pavlik. It'd be a nightmare for Kelly as he's the sort of opponent that Calzaghe thrives on.