Sorry to bring this up

[westside]

Ok, go back to the mainpage & read all of the topics. Now, I know this is an Australian boxing forum.. but it doesnt seem a place to talk about GOOD fighters fighting in GOOD fights... but here goes.

Geale V Toney Friday 11th. What a *******...

Anyone? .. or should we go back & talk about the other shite.

[ozziebattler]

Ok, go back to the mainpage & read all of the topics. Now, I know this is an Australian boxing forum.. but it doesnt seem a place to talk about GOOD fighters fighting in GOOD fights... but here goes.

Geale V Toney Friday 11th. What a *******...

Anyone? .. or should we go back & talk about the other shite.

Daniel Geale vs James Toney??

Please dont laugh at me if im 100% totally wrong...

As i think i am..lol

[ashley]

Daniel Geale vs James Toney??

Please dont laugh at me if im 100% totally wrong...

As i think i am..lol

No mate its not "lights out" its "hot ice"

[westside]

You whaaat???..

[westside]

haha.. yeah got ya! that would be REAL interesting!!

[ashley]

You whaaat???..

Who me....?

[ashley]

Ok, go back to the mainpage & read all of the topics. Now, I know this is an Australian boxing forum.. but it doesnt seem a place to talk about GOOD fighters fighting in GOOD fights... but here goes.

Geale V Toney Friday 11th. What a *******...

Anyone? .. or should we go back & talk about the other shite.

Yes...ok so the guy has a crap record and is rated 250 in the world....however he has been in the ring with some good fighters...even though he got raped by Bute he drew with Griffen...this guy has a fetesh with virgins....or debut fighters.

Its a safe fight for Geale before the big one against the name who wont be said out loud :hey

[Marcus]

This Toney guy is pretty big, he is coming down from S/Middle.

He does a few things right and lots wrong but he looks pretty solid and throws big punches.

I expect Geale to outbox him. But i really want to see the old Geale, not being touched,gettin in and out, beating this guy to the punch!!!! not standing inside and trading with him. Its not his style but lately he gets dragged into a rough fight where he shows his heart instead of showing his skills.

Geale KO 11

[WhataRock]

Toney is a big middleweight but I wouldnt exactly say he is coming down from 168 for this one but he will be the bigger man in there. Looks well over 6ft.

He has fought most of his significant fights at middleweight..In fact I think he only really fought Bute at supermiddle and got dominated.

I havent seen the Karmazin fight but against Bute and Griffin he looked durable and quite physically strong.
Has a hard straight jab which he relies heavily on.

Isnt it over 10 Marcus? I think Dan will get a good 10 round work out and take it clear on points.

[Marcus]

Is it over 10? Why not 12?

So it isnt a defence of his IBO title?

[ashley]

Is it over 10? Why not 12?

So it isnt a defence of his IBO title?


Interesting...I thought all titles are 12 rounds :huh

[Kegsy]

Interesting...I thought all titles are 12 rounds :huh
Its not an IBO title defense as Toney is not ranked high enough in their rankings.

[Marcus]

Fuck :patsch

Geale will never lose his title because he never defends it!!!

[Marcus]

Fight is off. Toney has visa issues :|

[stiflers mum]

Fight is off. Toney has visa issues :|
So I wonder if it still be on main event with the main event cancelled still might buy the card but I hope they discount it.

[Marcus]

So I wonder if it still be on main event with the main event cancelled still might buy the card but I hope they discount it.


Geale must leave Grange gym asap!!! They are fuckin him over big time!!! :deal

Come back to Tassie :lol: or move to America...its now or never.

[WhataRock]

There are 3 fights on that card that could be considered main events.

[Kegsy]

Still a decent card Marcus.
Im sure a worthy replacement would be found.

[WhataRock]

Get a jap in I say..They are good to watch, bit pricey but better than the other asians they get in, especially for this weight range.

[Marcus]

His old trainer told me.

That guy from the Grange, give me your number...na na forget it, just listen to this and thats what im thinking about how your managing Geale atm.

tLXVuy0h29c

[Kegsy]

His old trainer told me.

That guy from the Grange, give me your number...na na forget it, just listen to this and thats what im thinking about how your managing Geale atm.

tLXVuy0h29c
:lol:

[Marcus]

Still a decent card Marcus.
Im sure a worthy replacement would be found.


For a Friday Nights Fights it is. PPV...how can this shit happen...over and over again.

Where is plan B ?????

Where is plan C?????

Chewy Christ!!!! Im sick of this shit!!! :fire:fire:fire

[Kegsy]

Get a jap in I say..They are good to watch, bit pricey but better than the other asians they get in, especially for this weight range.
Yeah true. Too bad Sato is going for the WBA Title.

Japs at this sorta weight are normally much better i agree.

[Kegsy]

For a Friday Nights Fights it is. PPV...how can this shit happen...over and over again.

Where is plan B ?????

Where is plan C?????

Chewy Christ!!!! Im sick of this shit!!! :fire:fire:fire
I agree mate dont you worry.:deal

[Marcus]

Can anyone remember a australian fighter who won a IBO World Title or better then is forced to sit around wasting his prime while his management make a fucking joke of the whole thing.

Where is this fuckin grange poster now???

I got some qeustions!!! I want some answers!!!

ANd i dont wanna hear, oh some things cant be planned, fights fall through ....
Yeah no fuckin shit, all the ones for Geale!!!

[Bentchassis]

Agree with ya Marcus, it's pretty frustrating to be a Geale supporter right now. Bring in Soliman I say:deal

[Rise Above]

Was looking forward to seeing Geale fight again.

[Marcus]

Grange people/poster...read this and give me your reasons why?

It took 6 1/2 months to get the Ajetovic fight, now i was happy with who he fought, but 6 months? Come on, you know how important keeping busy is.. and it took six months. :think

After that McKinnon...geez, this is a keep busy fight, not a fight that takes 6 months to get. This is a fight that should be able to be arranged within 2 months max!!!

Now we have waited 8 months for this fuckin fight that fall through. AGAIN!!!!

Why are you aranging fighters that dont even get a shot at Geales belt!!!! Why would they want to fight? are you fuckin stupid???

Now i would think a legit and ready visa would be one of the first things you have to have ticked off!!! SO FUCKIN WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED ?????? If you took there word for it, smack yourself in the fuckin head,,, get a faxed copy or some shit...jesus!!!

And why cant Geale make a media statement,, calling out fighters from all over the world...I have a belt..come get it!!

Good fighters would jump at the chance and you would have many to choose from. Get him a ESPN fridat night fight..main event!!

[Bentchassis]

Should put that in a new thread mate, in case they miss it...

[pecks]

Get a jap in I say..They are good to watch:yep

[stiflers mum]

Fuck me Marcus is pretty fired up :lol:

[Marcus]

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NOT HAPPY GRANGE!!!!

[Marcus]

Grange has tried to get this guy to replace Toney....

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Two weeks out from the fight, he failed the blood test. No Blood.

[LeonMcS]

Mundine camp currently in negotiations for the above fighter.

[Marcus]

Mundine camp currently in negotiations for the above fighter.


Na, he is too much of a live opponent for Mandy :lol::lol:

[Phil Austin]

Fuck :patsch

Geale will never lose his title because he never defends it!!!


Gealey must defend by May Marcus. I really think you are being too hard on Grange here, I know the guys well and they are pros who care about their fighters. Toney screwing up his visa is not their problem (if indeed this is the case), this happens when you deal with certain areas of the world. Hopefully a suitable replacement is found

[Marcus]

Gealey must defend by May Marcus. I really think you are being too hard on Grange here, I know the guys well and they are pros who care about their fighters. Toney screwing up his visa is not their problem (if indeed this is the case), this happens when you deal with certain areas of the world. Hopefully a suitable replacement is found


You have got to be kidding me Phil. Unless your friends with them , and thats cool, but mate. Being young, (well he was when he won the belt) its very important to fight on a regular basis.

Do you think 3 fights in almost 2 years in acceptable?

And if you know the details of the visa , please share it with us.

Im off to tennis, ill be waiting for your response Phil.

[Phil Austin]

Do I think 3 fights in 2 years acceptable? No but sometimes circumstances come into it which are outside peoples control and Dan's had a jinxed run. I would have liked to have seen more activity, who wouldn't but I believe this can't all be laid at Granges feet

[Marcus]

Do I think 3 fights in 2 years acceptable? No but sometimes circumstances come into it which are outside peoples control and Dan's had a jinxed run. I would have liked to have seen more activity, who wouldn't but I believe this can't all be laid at Granges feet

you know the sayin mate... u make your own luck.

im pretty pumped over this phil, if grange wants to be trainer, promoter and match maker they have better lernt a lesson from all this and know they are out of there depth.

if dan doesnt leave them after this they should have the guts to say he may be better off finding someone else to run things.

i dont mean the boxing training so much but all the other stuff.

[Phil Austin]

I'd be very suprised if he left them mate, he is a very loyal bloke and they treat him (like the rest of their fighters) incredibly well

[Marcus]

I'd be very suprised if he left them mate, he is a very loyal bloke and they treat him (like the rest of their fighters) incredibly well

stay on topic phil. if u think im ripping grange...i am!! if u think i dont like them as people your wrong.

do u know what happen with the visa of Toney?

he gets treated well by grange? give me a fuckin break...who cares...this is about getting him decent and regular fights, getting him world exposure.

[Phil Austin]

For fucks sake Marcus! I never said you didn't like them. My entire point is that more often than not there is more to the situation than what's on the surface. How am I not staying on topic? You said he should leave Grange, I replied I doubt that would happen. Who do you suggest Dan signs with? I am keen to see your response

[Marcus]

i dont care if they try there best and treat him well.

back on topic.

well gee phil...u want me to suggest what geale does? if my job was to manage geale id take him to the states and travel around to the well known gyms, meeting and greeting trainers and promoters.
i not in boxing as a job but id guess promoters hang around gyms from time to time.

id have geale training and sparring every middle who wanted a go at every gym.

have the head trainer have a look at geale, 5 to ten minutes.. hang around after training is over and speak to the trainer...talking up the ibo belt... geale telling his want and desire to crack to u.s market. geale could sum them up as a person he would want to be trained by or not.


i cant believe they didnt take him on a u.s tour after he won his belt....

[Marcus]

Gealey must defend by May Marcus. I really think you are being too hard on Grange here, I know the guys well and they are pros who care about their fighters. Toney screwing up his visa is not their problem (if indeed this is the case), this happens when you deal with certain areas of the world. Hopefully a suitable replacement is found


so he must befend by may? and grange are in talks with choc. no way choc has a ibo ranking. geale giving up the belt?
this is a nightmare.

[Phil Austin]

I know you feel strongly about this topic and I appreciate that. Now going off your suggestion, how many US promoters would be keen on taking on a quiet-spoken AUSTRALIAN who would help old grannies accross the street and who has only ever done just enough to beat his opponent? Not many I'd be ready to bet. His reputation and international identity will be established after his next opponent and I'm sure you will be happy then

[Phil Austin]

He won't be giving up the belt Marcus so don't worry. This is how the rules work; A fighter moving division loses 25% of his points if he still has enough to be within the Top-35 or would be if he beats the champion he may then contest the belt. Next month Choc will be rated as a middleweight as he made the weight and defeated Taylor who was ranked 84, now considering he is 3 at super-middle it would be a hard stretch to think he will be outside of the top-35 at 160 come the new ratings

[Marcus]

ha ha ha good point phil. he is quiet.

post up the top 25 or 50 ibo middle ranking .. does he have a #1 guy he has to fight first?

[Marcus]

mmm ok. so at a pure guess mr IBO ... whats mandy get? top 10 ? top 20 ?

[ashley]

mmm ok. so at a pure guess mr IBO ... whats mandy get? top 10 ? top 20 ?

I thought he had to be top 15 to get a shot...or is that WBA?

[Marcus]

top 35 ash

[Phil Austin]

The IBO has never been in to mandatories Marcus, normally the only way to be made mandatory is to win an intercon and defend it twice within 18 months against quality opposition. There is an avenue for mandatory under special circumstances ie a champion who has not defended for some time.
Ashley because the IBO top 100 is impartial and rates every fighter in the division including other champions top 15 simply would not be realistic - the top 100 is traditionally stricter than other organizations who have given some slack to certain promoters fighters and have resulted in some great match ups such as De La Hoya V Charpentier, Kamau et al that are simply no good for the sport. Another interesting example - when Tommy Browne fought Injin Chi for the WBC title, he was not even in the top 100. You only climb the ratings based upon the quality of opposition you fight

[ashley]

The IBO has never been in to mandatories Marcus, normally the only way to be made mandatory is to win an intercon and defend it twice within 18 months against quality opposition. There is an avenue for mandatory under special circumstances ie a champion who has not defended for some time.
Ashley because the IBO top 100 is impartial and rates every fighter in the division including other champions top 15 simply would not be realistic - the top 100 is traditionally stricter than other organizations who have given some slack to certain promoters fighters and have resulted in some great match ups such as De La Hoya V Charpentier, Kamau et al that are simply no good for the sport. Another interesting example - when Tommy Browne fought Injin Chi for the WBC title, he was not even in the top 100. You only climb the ratings based upon the quality of opposition you fight

Thanks mate :good

[Phil Austin]

My pleasure Ash any time!

[Barge FTA]

Phil,
If Daniel defends his title against another australian, are they allowed to have an australian referee or judges?

[Marcus]

Okay i have a couple of questions now.

1. Shouldn't Geales management have had a backup plan?
2. Why not fight Soliman or Pittman? They are both rated higher then the 175 James Obede Toney on boxrec. If Geale is good enough, he will beat either. And im sure Pittman would accept the challenge. Same goes with Soliman.

Marcus i have to agree with you on this. The management doesn't seem up to scratch. I mean one fight every 6 months? And its not like hes fighting the Joe Calzaghes of the world. Have a look and see what Ajetovich has done since Geale.

Please dont get me started again.

That Ged cunt has done fuckk all since Geale ruined him....thats what Geale does, he rips your heart out and stomps that fucker deep into hell.

And he will ruin Mandy!!! maybe knock his good eye right out of his fucking head :mad:



Yes they should have had a back up plan, and maybe a better first plan to start with.

Ask Phil, he likes to defend thier shoddy track record :stir

[Marcus]

So hes not fighting on March 11?


see the new :-( mundine thread, says they will name a crud import asap.

[Sox]

see the new :-( mundine thread, says they will name a crud import asap.
Blasphemy! :twisted:

It's a Geale thread :good

[Marcus]

Blasphemy! :twisted:

It's a Geale thread :good


My bad :hi:

[Phil Austin]

Phil,
If Daniel defends his title against another australian, are they allowed to have an australian referee or judges?

Barge, the officials will be selected by the IBO. We have at the moment Garry Dean, Brad Griffiths and Steve Marshall as R&J's Of course there is me as well but I would say I will be down as supervisor. I would say there will be a mix of Australian and O/S officials but that is pure conjecture. Once bout agreements and request for sanction is received Ed and I will discuss appointments then.

Nice stir Marcus but I ain't biting! :hi: