Channel 4: Amir Khan's Angry Young Men

[IronBull]

Three Part Documentary: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[hitman_hatton1]

ch4 have been plugging it to death.

i'll be watching of course. :yep

[hazbo]

whens it on?

[Robbi]

ch4 have been plugging it to death.

i'll be watching of course. :yep


:hi:

[Shev]

Bang up job Amir, teach hoods how to be better fighters :good.

[elle]

Hi, am new to the forum. There has been alot in the news about this programme but i'm not convinced Mr Khan is the ideal role model for these young men. Wasn't he in trouble himself during his teens for being involved with a gang of boys that chased and pelted a girl? Then there is the alleged driving offences - according to the press in Bolton he is due in court later this month for the 140mph speeding & failing to produce and due in court again in october for the dangerous driving matter. Obviously, you are innocent until proven guilty but instead of appearing on reality tv shows perhaps he should just concentrate on his defence - in more ways than one judging by his last bout!

[hitman_hatton1]

Hi, am new to the forum. There has been alot in the news about this programme but i'm not convinced Mr Khan is the ideal role model for these young men. Wasn't he in trouble himself during his teens for being involved with a gang of boys that chased and pelted a girl? Then there is the alleged driving offences - according to the press in Bolton he is due in court later this month for the 140mph speeding & failing to produce and due in court again in october for the dangerous driving matter. Obviously, you are innocent until proven guilty but instead of appearing on reality tv shows perhaps he should just concentrate on his defence - in more ways than one judging by his last bout!

i wondered when those driving offences were coming up. :yep

but isn't the point of the show turning ya life around thru boxing or a sport.

khan has certainly done that.

despite his crap driving. :lol:

[elle]

Hello hitman_hatton1. Call me cynical but I don't think anyones life will be turned around in a month - even if the cameras are rolling! Also, I think Khans alleged driving offences were both committed since he turned professional.

[hitman_hatton1]

Hello hitman_hatton1. Call me cynical but I don't think anyones life will be turned around in a month - even if the cameras are rolling! Also, I think Khans alleged driving offences were both committed since he turned professional.

hello elle. :hi:

ya probably right.

but it's still a worthwhile issue.

some kids out there are out of control.

khan has cocked up a couple of times behind the wheel recently. but then again so do a lot of law abiding people.

drop the cynicism elle. :yep

[timber]

Its simple... if you dont like,dont watch it!

[elle]

Hello again hitman_hatton1.
Agree its a worthwhile issue - just not a worthy mentor in my view!
Hope we can just beg to differ?

[hitman_hatton1]

Hello again hitman_hatton1.
Agree its a worthwhile issue - just not a worthy mentor in my view!
Hope we can just beg to differ?

i accept ya point that khan has let himself down behind the wheel lately.

especially the speeding offence after having that dangerous one pending. :patsch

but aside from that khan is a good role model i'd say.

[Amsterdam]

i accept ya point that khan has let himself down behind the wheel lately.

especially the speeding offence after having that dangerous one pending. :patsch

but aside from that khan is a good role model i'd say.

Arrogant, insecure, can't speak well is a good role model?

Khan's a hero.

[Jack Dempsey]

Arrogant, insecure, can't speak well is a good role model?

Khan's a hero.

Wonder how long before the the kids start saying 'You know' after every word

[sandwichsurgeon]

There are so many people that would have been better to do this show I don't know where to start.......

[halftooth]

Arrogant, insecure, can't speak well is a good role model?



lol, That sounds like a description of yourself amsterdamn:D

[Decebal]

lol, That sounds like a description of yourself amsterdamn:D

:nut go back to sleep, newbe!

[Decebal]

Hi, am new to the forum. There has been alot in the news about this programme but i'm not convinced Mr Khan is the ideal role model for these young men. Wasn't he in trouble himself during his teens for being involved with a gang of boys that chased and pelted a girl? Then there is the alleged driving offences - according to the press in Bolton he is due in court later this month for the 140mph speeding & failing to produce and due in court again in october for the dangerous driving matter. Obviously, you are innocent until proven guilty but instead of appearing on reality tv shows perhaps he should just concentrate on his defence - in more ways than one judging by his last bout!

You are right, of course...it's called a publicity stunt;). I am glad you joined the forum! Remember, this is a boxing forum, though...not a slagging-boxers-off forum.:good

[halftooth]

:nut go back to sleep, newbe!

learn how to spell oldbie:D

btw I,m sure damn is more then capable of replying for himself, or do you wank for him too:O)

been online since windows 3.1, and I could verbally own you any day of the week...if i was bothered enough..but I,m not on these forums to chat bigtime chit...I,ll leave that to you youngsters:good

[Decebal]

learn how to spell oldbie:D

btw I,m sure damn is more then capable of replying for himself, or do you wank for him too:O)

been online since windows 3.1, and I could verbally own you any day of the week...if i was bothered enough..but I,m not on these forums to chat bigtime chit...I,ll leave that to you youngsters:good

:rofl :patsch

[halftooth]

:rofl :patsch

lol, did i youch a raw nerve?:D

Sorry m8, it,s just imo when people bring out the newbie card it,s usually just a copout.

back on topic:
I think Khan overall has been a massive positive influence on youngsters, I think in years to come we may see the next gen of boxers say "they got into boxing coz they saw Khan at the olympics etc"

Not sure about this programme, have yet to watch it, so don,t want to make a pre-judgement!

[Jack Dempsey]

lol, did i youch a raw nerve?:D

Sorry m8, it,s just imo when people bring out the newbie card it,s usually just a copout.

back on topic:
I think Khan overall has been a massive positive influence on youngsters, I think in years to come we may see the next gen of boxers say "they got into boxing coz they saw Khan at the olympics etc"

Not sure about this programme, have yet to watch it, so don,t want to make a pre-judgement!

I gotta be honest, on the few highlights I've seen, Khan comes across very well

[IronBull]

Its on tonight.

[timber]

whens it on?

Today(Tues) 23:05 Amir Khan's Angry Young Men ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Channel 4 also on at ch4+1hour (sat channel 135)

[Decebal]

lol, did i youch a raw nerve?:D

Sorry m8, it,s just imo when people bring out the newbie card it,s usually just a copout.



Yes, you hit a raw nerve...it does piss me off when a newbie acts as if they have a relationship with established posters and make personal comments about them as if they had known them for months/ years...even if a comment made by someone strikes you in a certain way, you have no way of knowing whether it's in character or made in jest, unless you've read many posts by that poster, and know the context in which they were made...or, a newbie has no way of knowing that...see what I mean?

[Decebal]

I watched the show and even though I thought the routines were a bit formulaic and overdramatic, Amir came across well and genuine, and he clearly had those boys' best at heart! It is a good thing to have done this for these boys, I thought.:good

[bigG]

without wishing to be disney formulaic, amir khan doesnt have to be a champion in the ring, cos hs seems like a champion out of it....remember, this kid is 19....what were you like at 19...i was a fuckin nightmare......good job khan, y'all may say publicity stunt, but really, does khan HAVE to do this sort of shit for publicity....i think he believs in this and hope he makes a difference to at least one of the lads...remember, an inch in the right direction is better than a step in the wrong one....

[Lampshade]

without wishing to be disney formulaic, amir khan doesnt have to be a champion in the ring, cos hs seems like a champion out of it....remember, this kid is 19....what were you like at 19...i was a fuckin nightmare......good job khan, y'all may say publicity stunt, but really, does khan HAVE to do this sort of shit for publicity....i think he believs in this and hope he makes a difference to at least one of the lads...remember, an inch in the right direction is better than a step in the wrong one....

Nicely put :good

[timber]

without wishing to be disney formulaic, amir khan doesnt have to be a champion in the ring, cos hs seems like a champion out of it....remember, this kid is 19....what were you like at 19...i was a fuckin nightmare......good job khan, y'all may say publicity stunt, but really, does khan HAVE to do this sort of shit for publicity....i think he believs in this and hope he makes a difference to at least one of the lads...remember, an inch in the right direction is better than a step in the wrong one....

Superb! :good

[stake501]

Well, having seen it, I thought Amir came across well (and family).

The lad from Devon seemed to have serious issues though that I do not for a minute think boxing could sort out. He needed professional physchotherapy.

I hope this puts to bed some of the Arrogant and Fraud claims constantly spat out with vitriol against Khan becasue he has the temerity to think he will be a world champion (unless of course he ruins it in the next two parts)

Regardless of whether he achieves this or not, he has been a positive influence on the sport (especially amateur boxing) and I wish him the best of luck. (needs to work on his defence though :hey )

[AllyT]

As with most attempts to rescue the self destructive it will probably have limited if any long term success, but I think you have to give the lad credit for trying. He was no angel himself but that was part of the point of the show, trying to get lads to turn their life around as Amir Khan has done.

It is not realistic to expect talented people to be perfect, all you can hope is that they try to use their celebrity set a good example. At this point in his life he is doing exactly that. He is doing something when most do nothing. Well done him

[achillesthegreat]

I thought it was a good show.

The guy who left was just a natural born loser.

I'm more intrigued about how the physical side can give them discipline. I watched Bad Lads Army and thought it was good.

I'd like to see them taunted and then put in the boxing ring. Then they will understand how calm someone like Khan has to remain when an opponent taunts him or his coach shouts at him in the corner.

Like Dempsey said, the difference between a street fight and boxing is anger and science.

I would have liked to see the show more boxing orientated. I feel the faith angle and the obstacle course is just to meat up the show and give it different angles.

It would be great if they were given eight weeks and then were put into their first amateur fight. Ultimately thats how Khan can relate. He was a hyperactive kid who went into boxing and that made him more disciplined en route to millions.

[Decebal]

yep and thats the amir we like not the cocky amir. :yep

indeed.

[IronBull]

Im not going to explain what happen in the next part.. but what I can say it did work well and amir did a good job...

[achillesthegreat]

I think that's a little harsh on the kid. he was monumentally damaged - that was obvious in how he reacted to everyone. The training coach went at him the wrong way by getting the rest of the group to speak to him, since it was them he had the problem with.

Whatever had happened to him, he was locked in the mindset of a 10 year old and his reliance on drink was making it worse.

He'd actually been doing well (relatively speaking) up until the drinking.

There are better candidates on that show for NBL.
I'm of the mind that we were all born with a brain in our head and though the world around us does have an affect on us, we ultimately make our own decisions.

That guy chose not to see it through and that is ultimately his decision even though his life isn't stella.

The coach tried to talk to him and failed, the lads were a last ditch approach and remember it was the lads who got him to stay in the house.

[bigG]

oops..no wonder he seems so mature!!..think he is still 20 tho???.....or he could fight for the british title...??

[BigEars]

oops..no wonder he seems so mature!!..think he is still 20 tho???.....or he could fight for the british title...??

He's 21 on the 8th of December , but don't worry people will be calling him 19 till he's about 24..........

[achillesthegreat]

I really don't agree with that, because some of these kids are so damaged that they have lost the ability to make rational decisions. I've dealt with enough of them to know the difference.

Yes, there's plenty of wee bampots who just like being bastards, but he had serious problems - one's that would affect his fight-or-flight responses.

Yes, he's responsible for himself, but sometimes people need a lot more guidance and help than others.

The rest of them are characteristically aggressive (insecure) and bolshy, but he was not - he had the aggression but only when he felt he was being mistreated. Even his cry for the boys to get out of his face is telling.

Rather than being shoved back into the programme, he needed more time spent with him to understand what his problem was.
A fair point of view but you have to also accept he has been given alot of guidance. At some point you need to take responsibility for your actions.

If he wants to sort himself out the opportunity was there. He had Amir, boxing coaches, the religious guys, the motivational army guy etc That was in just 5 days. Can't ask for much more.

[Amsterdam]

He's still getting KTFO sometime soon, then this show will mean very little, as it's all publicity anyway.:yep

I love seeing a good china cracking.:yep

On top of it, Politics should sort out this capitalistic mess and there will be no need for publicity stunts in the genre of being selfless and helping the needy.:yep

Snicker, snicker.:yep

[LeedsLad]

lol Amsterdam, i bet you were hoping one of those delinquents would crack that china:lol:

[faisal]

amsterdam if he doesnt get KTFO in his next 5 fights, you better do us all a favour and stop the repetative posts about the china chin and stick to sucking china hand joe calzaghe cock, some thing which you seem pritty damn good at;) .

[China_hand_Joe]

Amsterdam takes unfair flack for his ridicule of Amir Khan, his assessment of Khan abilities is actually quite accurate if you ever seriously critique them.


Khan will never ever be a true top 10 P4P fighter, ever.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam takes unfair flack for his ridicule of Amir Khan, his assessment of Khan abilities is actually quite accurate if you ever seriously critique them.


Khan will never ever be a true top 10 P4P fighter, ever.

And you took unfair flak for the longest time for your consideration of Joe Calzaghe. Both of us tend to underrate him anyway and it takes drugs to fully understand the depth of this great fighter, that's not even fair the flak, especially when the opponents are completely and utterly biased for their favourites and won't give.

Khan is a joke, I'm not falling for this TV show, which is a publicity stunt by the way. Does anyone really think that he truly cares about what's going on? This is to make him look good and most have bought into it.

I'll again state that it is ABSURD for a prospect to be this BIG, to get a damn TV show when ATG's do not. There's your sick Capitalist outlook for you though, cheers.

[BigEars]

amsterdam if he doesnt get KTFO in his next 5 fights, you better do us all a favour and stop the repetative posts

But for him not to get ko'ed it would mean he hasn't fought either Thaxton or Romanov and would at best have beaten Lawton , Earl and 3 other opponents who aren't at the level of someone like Romanov .

[Decebal]

Khan is a joke, I'm not falling for this TV show, which is a publicity stunt by the way. Does anyone really think that he truly cares about what's going on? This is to make him look good and most have bought into it.

I'll again state that it is ABSURD for a prospect to be this BIG, to get a damn TV show when ATG's do not. There's your sick Capitalist outlook for you though, cheers.

Well...not quite. Khan is a personality/celebrity in Britain since he won that silver medal. There are many reasons why he has become a personality - he was 17, he was of ****stani origin and the media were looking for British Asian Muslim heroes, he was a nice, humble lad from a nice, united family, he was coming from modest socio-economic roots - it was like a Cinderella story in many ways - the public took to him like a duck does to water. We all liked him. That is when the Khan brand was created. It has little to do with how good a boxer he has been since or is now...

I also think that Khan really cares about what is going on. Maybe not as much as he cares about his cars, personalised trainers and expensive watches, but he does care. And the older he becomes, the more he will care about the important things, seeing how he can make a good contribution. Let's not be too cynical and let us not forget that he is a very young man - it would be abnormal at his age if he weren't a bit materialistic and immature! But how many celebrities of his age have done the good he has - even as a publicity stunt? All they do is preach - don't wipe your bum with more than one piece of toilet paper, or don't fly more than once a year, when their lifestyle is completely unreal and alltogether wasteful...when they're not in rehab clinics or throwing mobile phones and swearing at staff, that is. In comparison, Amir is a grounded guy and a good guy too - he is not a moral hero, he is not a saint, but he is a good guy, especially for someone his age. He is milking his celebrity status sure - they are all doing it more or less, when it suits them, but as long as he does some good along the way - let us not be too harsh - it might lead to some good. All this doesn't mean, of course, that we should think Amir is a better boxer just because of all his charitable contributions or high public profile - these two things should be separated in our minds. But a personality/ celebrity, he nevertheless is. And his contribution to society is also a positive one, hyped up/ china chinned or not.:good

[Amsterdam]

Well...not quite. Khan is a personality/celebrity in Britain since he won that silver medal. There are many reasons why he has become a personality - he was 17, he was of ****stani origin and the media were looking for British Asian Muslim heroes, he was a nice, humble lad from a nice, united family, he was coming from modest socio-economic roots - it was like a Cinderella story in many ways - the public took to him like a duck does to water. We all liked him. That is when the Khan brand was created. It has little to do with how good a boxer he has been since or is now...

I also think that Khan really cares about what is going on. Maybe not as much as he cares about his cars, personalised trainers and expensive watches, but he does care. And the older he becomes, the more he will care about the important things, seeing how he can make a good contribution. Let's not be too cynical and let us not forget that he is a very young man - it would be abnormal at his age if he weren't a bit materialistic and immature! But how many celebrities of his age have done the good he has - even as a publicity stunt? All they do is preach - don't wipe your bum with more than one piece of toilet paper, or don't fly more than once a year, when their lifestyle is completely unreal and alltogether wasteful...when they're not in rehab clinics or throwing mobile phones and swearing at staff, that is. In comparison, Amir is a grounded guy and a good guy too - he is not a moral hero, he is not a saint, but he is a good guy, especially for someone his age. He is milking his celebrity status sure - they are all doing it more or less, when it suits them, but as long as he does some good along the way - let us not be too harsh - it might lead to some good. All this doesn't mean, of course, that we should think Amir is a better boxer just because of all his charitable contributions or high public profile - these two things should be separated in our minds. But a personality/ celebrity, he nevertheless is. And his contribution to society is also a positive one, hyped up/ china chinned or not.:good

Fuck that china chinned fraud and his whole insano train, his contribution is being a joke to british boxing and a joke as a person in the form of a wrongful celebrity.

He won me over with his heart.

:yep

[Decebal]

He won me over with his heart.:yep



:lol: ...Oh...Amsterdam! You are a soft touch!:yep

[Amsterdam]

:lol: ...Oh...Amsterdam! You are a soft touch!:yep

I told you the effects soften a man.:yep

[lukedella]

any ideas if a repeat is going to be on, I wanted to see this but to nackerd to say up

[China_hand_Joe]

any ideas if a repeat is going to be on, I wanted to see this but to nackerd to say upIron Bull posted a link to the video in the General forum.