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AJAX
08-19-2007, 06:04 PM
It's good to see GSP back in the ring, I think he will be ready and more determined than ever after his loss to Serra. That being said Koscheck is a tough guy to fight with great wrestling and imroving standup.Sanchez couldn't do nothing against him in their fight and Koscheck doesn't mind boring fights.I think GSP can still get by him because he does well against wreslters, I think Koscheck will try to get to Georges chin because that will be his best hope.
Boyd
08-20-2007, 09:22 AM
tough fight for GSP. i almost think he should have taken a "confidence booster" fight. george hopefully will comeback like the monster he is and regain the title after he beats Koschech. still, i wouldn't bet the farm on him.
BewareofDawg
08-20-2007, 09:50 AM
Koscheck can't be judged by his win over Diego because neither one of them were really challenged or utilized their main strengths. The one time Kos did actually take Diego down Diego quickly reversed it. That together with Diego's clearly inferior, to even Kos's, stand up is probably why Kos never went for another takedown. But he was never forced to deal with Diego's BJJ or GNP. He will however be faced with GSPs standup, and once he gets tired of being continuously beaten to the punch or kicked in the leg, he'll take GSP down....or try. Kos is probably the only WW that can successfully take GSP down when he wants to, but controlling him on the ground is another story? GSP dominated Sherk, humiliated Trigg on the ground and it took him about 20 seconds tops to pass Hughes's guard in the rematch. If anyone can neutralize Kos's wrestling it's GSP.

I see GSP forcing Kos to try and take this fight to the ground and then submitting him in the 2nd round after winning the first.
ufoalf
08-20-2007, 10:22 AM
It'll be decision in GSP's favor.
achillesthegreat
08-20-2007, 02:28 PM
GSP is a quality fighter. Glad to see him back.

He got caught last time. It happens. Shows you what one move out of one art can do. One thing and its all over in combat.
TheGreatest-915
08-20-2007, 03:38 PM
Just saw some pics of him he looks very focused and looks tough as a mofo. I feel like he is ready to destroy koschech.
BewareofDawg
08-20-2007, 05:10 PM
Just saw some pics of him he looks very focused and looks tough as a mofo. I feel like he is ready to destroy koschech.
Post the pics. :good
AJAX
08-20-2007, 05:57 PM
I hope it will be a repeat of his fight with Hughes, GSP has one of the best takedown defenses in the game and Kos will not want to trade with GSP for very long.
BewareofDawg
08-20-2007, 10:44 PM
I hope it will be a repeat of his fight with Hughes, GSP has one of the best takedown defenses in the game and Kos will not want to trade with GSP for very long.
Or a repeat of the Trigg fight. I don't know which one was more impressive. He treated trigg like a chump picked up off the street...complete domination. Although he completely dominated Hughes too.
TheGreatest-915
08-21-2007, 12:17 AM
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Beebs
08-21-2007, 01:40 AM
Well A)Hughes did not get "totally outwrestled" by GSP, that just didn't happen, GSP avoided the takedown in the second fight, but Hughes really only got 1 good attempt off.

B)Hughes' was a multiple All American (top 8 ) in college, thats hardly c level.
Koa
08-21-2007, 04:12 AM
Yep, I think Kos has more exploseive double leg attempts than anyone around. Thing is, thats about all he seems to have that is extraordinary. He's a fighter who just wants to win, whether its boring or exciting. If he finds himself in a hard place he will do what he can to take a decision, which is at least what we saw against Sanchez.

I think Kos has superior double leg takedowns and is very explosive with them. But you cant beat a guy like GSP by taking him down only. I think Hughes is actually more well rounded on the ground, has an array of subs, probably just as strong as Kos at controlling. Only thing I think Kos can do is try to get a full mount and GNP. Has some powerful hands but is wild, has a punchers chance, great takedowns but seems to lack on the ground as far as I have seen.

Because he carries himself like a total dick, has never heard of modesty or manners.. I'd be very happy to see GSP knock his block off to put his ego in check. Kos is a hard guy to like.
demzor
08-21-2007, 12:13 PM
:huh Sherk, Trigg and Hughes are at best C rate wrestlers, in MMA they are considered top dog but Amateur wise people will laugh at their pedigrees....Koscheck is the best wrestler in MMA besides Lindland at the moment... He is way above the likes of Hughes...This kid is a 3 time NCAA Div 1 champ...I love GSP but Koschecks takedowns are in a different league. I'll be the first to apologize if he didnt take GSP down with ease:deal Again I think GSP wins or I hope

A little math to think about..

GSP has taken down and beaten Otto Olsen in ADCC competition..
Otto Olsen beat Koscheck in wrestling competition.

Not that it means all that much.. but its something to think about.
yogster740
08-21-2007, 12:52 PM
Here's a recent article on GSP

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fatcity
08-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Cool site is canadastarboxing.com.Good write ups and all bar locations are posted.Check it out!:good
Donut62
08-23-2007, 11:59 AM
I know one thing, and that is if Koscheck wins it will be the most boring fight in a long, long time.
BewareofDawg
08-23-2007, 12:55 PM
I know one thing, and that is if Koscheck wins it will be the most boring fight in a long, long time.
I disagree. I think if Kos wins it will be that he catches GSP exactly like Serra did. I am having a real hard time envisioning Kos control GSP on the ground and work his GNP, and in the absence of some freak shot am completely confident that GSP is going to own the stand-up exchanges. :deal
Boinko
08-23-2007, 03:07 PM
After the Serra fight, and in lieu of other upsets in UFC recently, I've stopped making predictions.
On paper, GSP should win. But that doesn't mean shit.
dwilson
08-24-2007, 11:32 AM
This should be a great fight (i hope). Koscheck is pretty decent and GSP is "the future" apparently.
mikeb
08-24-2007, 06:56 PM
gsp for the win
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AJAX
08-26-2007, 02:26 AM
very impressive victory by GSP taking Koscheck and giving him a lesson in wrestling, not a huge surprise because he handled Hughes,Trigg and sherk in that department as well. Koscheck came out throwing bombs so GSP had to be aware. i wonder who GSP's next oppenent will be.?
ufoalf
08-26-2007, 02:38 AM
GSP impressed me in this fight but not surprised. He was in another class over Koscheck on paper but this is year of upsets.
Beebs
08-26-2007, 02:52 AM
Pissed at Kos, he fell in love with his stand up, could have taken that fight if he went out there to do what he was best at.

GSP fought wonderfully though.
AJAX
08-26-2007, 03:04 AM
Pissed at Kos, he fell in love with his stand up, could have taken that fight if he went out there to do what he was best at.

GSP fought wonderfully though.

I guess you missed where he tried to take GSP down a couple times and had a hell of a time, GSP has easily one of the best take down defenses in the game, not to mention his body movement makes it even harder to catch him. saying Kos could have taken it is absurd:verysad
Beebs
08-26-2007, 03:21 AM
I guess you missed where he tried to take GSP down a couple times and had a hell of a time, GSP has easily one of the best take down defenses in the game, not to mention his body movement makes it even harder to catch him. saying Kos could have taken it is absurd:verysad

Kos got the first takedown pretty easy, and was pretty close to getting the second, it took GSP doing a Sokodoju one legged mid air sprawl to avoid it (props to GSP for that). If Kos had initiated the takedowns instead of falling in love with his stand up, he would have been better off.

GSP won the fight no doubt, and Kos might not have won even at his best, but he certainly fought stupid tonight.
ufoalf
08-26-2007, 03:31 AM
Kos got the first takedown pretty easy, and was pretty close to getting the second, it took GSP doing a Sokodoju one legged mid air sprawl to avoid it (props to GSP for that). If Kos had initiated the takedowns instead of falling in love with his stand up, he would have been better off.

GSP won the fight no doubt, and Kos might not have won even at his best, but he certainly fought stupid tonight.

I dont think he would've been able to do much from GSP's guard.
Beebs
08-26-2007, 04:15 AM
I dont think he would've been able to do much from GSP's guard.

Fair enough.

GSP is a better fighter. But, Kos' best chance was to fully commit to a takedown at all costs, it was his chance to win, and he didn't do it.

When you're facing a better a fighter, but have a stylistic matchup that is your best chance, you have to go for it and either get it or go out on your sword. GSP probably stops enough of the takedowns and wins anyway after what he showed tonight, and probably would have finished it even, but it was Kos' only chance, and I'm just dissapointed in Kos, thats all.
Coast
08-26-2007, 12:36 PM
:huh Sherk, Trigg and Hughes are at best C rate wrestlers, in MMA they are considered top dog but Amateur wise people will laugh at their pedigrees....Koscheck is the best wrestler in MMA besides Lindland at the moment... He is way above the likes of Hughes...This kid is a 3 time NCAA Div 1 champ...I love GSP but Koschecks takedowns are in a different league. I'll be the first to apologize if he didnt take GSP down with ease:deal Again I think GSP wins or I hope

Hughes was a 2 time Division 1 all american wrestler.

Trigg was Division 1 all american at Oklahoma a 2000 Olympic Trials finalist and has a Black Belt in Judo.

Koscheck is a ONE time Division 1 champ, not 3.

Kevin Randelman was a TWO time Division 1 champ, Mark Coleman was a Division 1 champ who beat Kurt Angle and wrestled in the Olympics. Over in K-1 (MMA no?) Sylvester Terkay was a 1 time division 1 champ who lost 2-1 to Olympic Gold medalist Kurt Angle in the finals the year before. During his senior year he pinned every opponent he faced in an average of just over a minute. That is just American wrestlers in MMA.

"Koscheck's takedowns are in a different league. I'll be the first to apologize if he didn't take GSP down with ease."-chimba

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