The most overrated fighter in mma [Archive]

naked heels

02-26-2009, 11:38 AM

Tim Sylvia.Ok he beat Arlovski twice and Rodriguez but he has been schooled many times Couture,Nogueira,Mir,Emelianenko,Arlovski(first fight)

Couldnt agree with that....his sheer size makes him a difficult man to beat and he has had some decent wins....
Not sure if your name is anything to do with Vitor Belfort but he would probably be my choice as the most overated fighter....a few flashy wins over decent level opponents yes but he lost the biggest fights he had,apart from a freakishly lucky win over couture......to me he is one of these who if he dont get you out of their within a round he will struggle....very overated in my opinion.

québecwarrior

02-26-2009, 12:07 PM

overrated by who?
He is a decent fighter.

Polymath

02-26-2009, 12:30 PM

This might be an unpopular pick, but I think Rich Franklin.

BewareofDawg

02-26-2009, 01:19 PM

Randy Couture was the most overrated, it's calmed down some though.

Gonzaga after the Cro fight was the most overrated EVER! People were saying he could beat Fedor.

Frank Mir is extremely overrated right now.

MaliSlamusrex

02-26-2009, 01:38 PM

Ever Radny Coture. because people loved him and he was such a nice guy he was Hyped.
Now Forest Griffin because people like him and he is such a nice guy he is Hyped.

chimba

02-26-2009, 01:59 PM

Rampage

Gonzaga
Randy
Karo

Spunik

02-26-2009, 02:43 PM

Chuck Liddell at a certain point was....

HomicideHenry

02-26-2009, 02:46 PM

before his loss to Petruzelli it was Kimbo, hands down

nowadays, since Mir beat Nog, I think it may just very well be him

before Couture lost to Lesnar, the ATG may have been Couture

personally, I think Royce Gracie was the most over-rated fighter in mma history

chimba

02-26-2009, 02:54 PM

Oh my Royce Gracie, Chuck Liddell were overrated?? Damn, everyones overrated it seems

Im a fan of neither fighter but Jesus.

Tuffnutz

02-26-2009, 03:09 PM

Frank Mir is the winner of this.

Wandy? :lol:

MaliSlamusrex

02-26-2009, 03:57 PM

Jesus was not over rated, he resurrected himself, that impressive.

Oh my Royce Gracie, Chuck Liddell were overrated?? Damn, everyones overrated it seems

Im a fan of neither fighter but Jesus.

scurlaruntings

02-26-2009, 04:06 PM

Frank Mir is the winner of this.

Wandy? :lol:I concur. Franks talented but the recent hype train is nothing more than very short memories..

chimba

02-26-2009, 04:12 PM

Jesus was not over rated, he resurrected himself, that impressive.

Yeah Jesus nowadays is underrated

Spunik

02-26-2009, 04:19 PM

Oh my Royce Gracie, Chuck Liddell were overrated?? Damn, everyones overrated it seems

Im a fan of neither fighter but Jesus.

You think Rampage is overrated, but disagree that Lidell was overrated. Rampage put him to sleep 2x :dead.....you make no sense

chimba

02-26-2009, 05:29 PM

You think Rampage is overrated, but disagree that Lidell was overrated. Rampage put him to sleep 2x :dead.....you make no sense

Oh my God:patsch. Liddell was the greatest LHW champion in the history of the UFC. Rampages only win was against Arona and Lidell. He fought a 40 year old Chuck who lost to Jardine and a corpse in Wandy.

Spunik

02-26-2009, 05:43 PM

Oh my God:patsch. Liddell was the greatest LHW champion in the history of the UFC. Rampages only win was against Arona and Lidell. He fought a 40 year old Chuck who lost to Jardine and a corpse in Wandy.

Yea he did quite well in the UFC, but got his "Pride" hurt in 2003, when he was in his prime. Rampage owns him. :yep

jimmie

02-26-2009, 05:43 PM

Rickson Gracie close thread.

chimba

02-26-2009, 05:45 PM

Yea he did quite well in the UFC, but got his "Pride" hurt in 2003, when he was in his prime. Rampage owns him. :yep

No Rampage didnt own him, he beat him but he didnt dominate him. It was just his style. Chuck has beaten more fighters than Rampage will ever beat.

You know what?, help yourself and make a poll whos more overrated

Grievesy

02-26-2009, 05:48 PM

You're both wrong, neither are overrated. Now STFU. That honour goes to Frank Mir nowadays.

All time is Rickson like jimmie said.

ufoalf

02-26-2009, 05:58 PM

Cung Le, Machida.

Brandon Vera a while back.

Spunik

02-26-2009, 06:25 PM

No Rampage didnt own him, he beat him but he didnt dominate him. It was just his style. Chuck has beaten more fighters than Rampage will ever beat.

You know what?, help yourself and make a poll whos more overrated

Dude that was ownage pure and simple.

Rampage is still young, he'll win plenty more.

gigogreco

02-26-2009, 07:30 PM

tank abbott:yep

ufoalf

02-26-2009, 07:36 PM

tank abbott:yep

:lol: Who the hell overrated him?

chimba

02-26-2009, 08:34 PM

You're both wrong, neither are overrated. Now STFU. That honour goes to Frank Mir nowadays.

All time is Rickson like jimmie said.

I 've never seen anyone who tought Mir was any good unless its Dana White and those who picks him against Lesnar:lol:. People who picks him over Lesnar are the ones who overrates him,

brandon9624

02-26-2009, 08:38 PM

Ken Shamrock based on him getting owned by Ortiz in the first fight, but they give him two more main event rematches with Ortiz afterwards, did they really think he had a shot? He was main event fighter who wasn't beating anybody, besides Kimo at UFC 48. Based on name recognition/fan base to Win/Loss record, Ken Shamrock.

chimba

02-26-2009, 09:02 PM

ufoalf

02-26-2009, 09:10 PM

Sakuraba by Bill Butcher :lol:

Aniki

02-26-2009, 09:43 PM

Franky Mir
Cock Chester

Polymath

02-26-2009, 09:56 PM

Beebs

02-26-2009, 10:19 PM

Yea he did quite well in the UFC, but got his "Pride" hurt in 2003, when he was in his prime. Rampage owns him. :yep

Except for the corpses he made out of Mezger and Overeem. Liddell was not overrated then, and Rampage is not overrated now. The picture at 205 is pretty unclear and Rampage is right in the top few guys.

jimmie

02-27-2009, 12:17 AM

How is Frank Mir overatted cause people pick him to beat Lesnar ? He already beat Lesnar just a year ago and his striking has improved since then.

chimba

02-27-2009, 12:29 AM

jimmie

02-27-2009, 12:44 AM

Mir is not that good, therefore hes not overrated. I was merely stating that those who say hes the most overrated are the same people picking him to be UFC champ.

UFC Champ is not overrated

BTW unless Brock gets into Mirs guard again, Mirs gonna have a hell of a time

Well lets see hes been the UFC Champ and never lost the belt now hes the interm Champ and already beat the offical Champ 9 months before that man became Champ and Mir also beat the hell out of the 1st ever Pride Champ. As far as the fight goes I got Mir hes just gotta worry about Lesnars heavy hands but Mir from what ive seen is a more complete striker and should be able to outstrike Lesnar and if the fight goes to the ground its pretty much a matter of time before the very agile Mir regains guard. Mir was earning his Blackbelt while Brock was getting speared by Bill Goldberg at Wrestlemania there JiuJitsu skills are so many levels apart from each other.

chimba

02-27-2009, 01:02 AM

Well lets see hes been the UFC Champ and never lost the belt now hes the interm Champ and already beat the offical Champ 9 months before that man became Champ and Mir also beat the hell out of the 1st ever Pride Champ. As far as the fight goes I got Mir hes just gotta worry about Lesnars heavy hands but Mir from what ive seen is a more complete striker and should be able to outstrike Lesnar and if the fight goes to the ground its pretty much a matter of time before the very agile Mir regains guard. Mir was earning his Blackbelt while Brock was getting speared by Bill Goldberg at Wrestlemania there JiuJitsu skills are so many levels apart from each other.

:lol:, Nog was slow as molasses in that fight and seemed punch drunk. Im still not conviced if Mirs totally back. I had thought that the game has left him behind, especially when Vera dismantled him.

I guess we will see. Im assuming Brock is working his game very diligently as well. The man is an incredible talent

brandon9624

02-27-2009, 01:14 AM

Hardly the most overrated, but I can still hear Joe Rogan yelling "HOUSTON ALEXANDER IS FOR REAL!".

Vitor Belfort

02-27-2009, 01:15 AM

Couldnt agree with that....his sheer size makes him a difficult man to beat and he has had some decent wins....
Not sure if your name is anything to do with Vitor Belfort but he would probably be my choice as the most overated fighter....a few flashy wins over decent level opponents yes but he lost the biggest fights he had,apart from a freakishly lucky win over couture......to me he is one of these who if he dont get you out of their within a round he will struggle....very overated in my opinion.

Vitor Belfort is very talented and his only loss were against top MMA fighters like Liddell-Couture-Ortiz-Henderson-sakuraba-Overeem. I mean those guys are pretty good plus overeem is a heavyweight.

theunderdog

02-27-2009, 03:59 AM

i dont think tim is overrated because he is not highly ranked at all. everyone knows that he is just a really big dude who cant fight a bit.

MaliSlamusrex

02-27-2009, 09:53 AM

Belfort is going to dominate like he should have done 5 years ago, he's looking good atm.

Vitor Belfort is very talented and his only loss were against top MMA fighters like Liddell-Couture-Ortiz-Henderson-sakuraba-Overeem. I mean those guys are pretty good plus overeem is a heavyweight.

MaliSlamusrex

02-27-2009, 09:54 AM

you can't really say he was overated, it was just at the time no one knew BJJ, and because he did he won his fights.

Rickson Gracie close thread.

Beebs

02-27-2009, 11:36 AM

I don't think he is that overrated, he is what he is. He is a difficult style matchup, with a solid resume.

Sweet Pea

02-27-2009, 05:35 PM

Cung Le, Machida.

Brandon Vera a while back.

Right, wrong, right.

jones1

02-28-2009, 06:08 PM

I think Liddell was overrated. True he was a dominant champion in his day but his flaws were clear and so obvious. He was a good stylistic matchup for all the grapplers he faced but his striking skills are basic and loopy.

am0kgonzo

02-28-2009, 06:43 PM

Oh my God:patsch. Liddell was the greatest LHW champion in the history of the UFC. Rampages only win was against Arona and Lidell. He fought a 40 year old Chuck who lost to Jardine and a corpse in Wandy.

Henderson, Igor, Bustamante.. meh, you are clueless.

brandon9624

02-28-2009, 07:12 PM

Even before Liddell was champ he was cleaning out the division. Randleman, Bustamante, Belfort, Suluev. Look at Randy Couture and Ortiz, Liddell destroyed them both, who else has done that? As for strickers go, Belfort's got some of the quickest hands in the game and Liddell nearly knocked him out.

Grievesy

02-28-2009, 07:15 PM

Will people stop saying that Liddell and Rampage are overrated. That's clearly bollocks.

ufoalf

02-28-2009, 07:46 PM

Fedor is CLEARLY overrated...

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noespam

02-28-2009, 09:37 PM

hate to say this, BJ Penn. for someone that is supposed to be a PRODIGY he hasn't really impressed. you can make arguments he fights out of his weight class and i give him respect for that, but his is a case of overrated by association (his fans).

rampage beat chuck in his prime, but still that doesn't make liddell overrated. liddell is just a good matchup for rampage. i like rampage, but he's going to have a tough time staying in the top 3 in the light heavys. he's becoming a one dimensional striker that can be chopped down with leg kicks.

alewaboy52

03-01-2009, 12:06 AM

no body brought up shogun??? he looked great in japan, but what the hell happened to him

ufoalf

03-01-2009, 12:54 AM

no body brought up shogun??? he looked great in japan, but what the hell happened to him

Well... you said it yourself he looked great in Japan and then he looked like shit. Its not like people are still saying he looks beastly. I think everyone is pretty realistic about Shogun. I also think everyone, somewhere deep inside, still want him to be like he once was.

Kairos

03-01-2009, 02:04 AM

Forrest Griffin, Paolo Filho and BJ Penn.

Ubersteve

03-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Liddell was good at beating up grapplers. Didn't do so well against other people that could strike.

Always thought Matt Hughes was rated too high too.

jimmie

03-02-2009, 12:14 AM

Liddell was good at beating up grapplers. Didn't do so well against other people that could strike.

Always thought Matt Hughes was rated too high too.

So what if he normally beat up on grapplers its MMA its up to them to be well versed.

brandon9624

03-02-2009, 01:51 AM

Liddell was good at beating up grapplers. Didn't do so well against other people that could strike.

Always thought Matt Hughes was rated too high too.
Wouldn't Alastair Overeem and Vitor be considered strikers? Besides, Liddell fought whoever they put in front of him, its not his fault the top guys at the time were grapplers.

rusty nails

03-02-2009, 02:05 AM

This might be an unpopular pick, but I think Rich Franklin.

no ill back you all the way mate.. he went from nobody to king of mma overnight.. i think hes a c+ fighter with A+ marketing..
i know he works very very hard though and deserves his success..

brandon9624

03-02-2009, 02:07 AM

Beebs

03-02-2009, 02:17 AM

Liddell was good at beating up grapplers. Didn't do so well against other people that could strike.

Always thought Matt Hughes was rated too high too.

Liddell bet the best which are normally grapplers in mma; took out pele and white and put mezger an overeem in the hospital

Hughes also beat the best, having either the best or second to liddell run as champ

audio101

03-02-2009, 03:02 AM

GSP, take away his roids and he becomes a very average fighter.

brandon9624

03-02-2009, 03:09 AM

GSP, take away his roids and he becomes a very average fighter.
:lol::good

Ubersteve

03-04-2009, 02:48 AM

jimmie

03-04-2009, 03:33 PM

Liddell got hammered when in with someone who could strike as well as he could. Great fighter still but lucky he wasn't in pride too much.

Hughes had weak comp I think. Once GSP nullified his strength he looked quite ordinary.

Weak comp ? The man has wins over Hayato Sakurai,BJ Penn,GSP,Frank Trigg 2x,Royce Gracie(Royce I know is in the past but Hughes tooled him in the ground game which is fairly impressive)Prime Carlos Newton 2x ETC. Hughes was a great great fighter.

jimmie

03-04-2009, 03:37 PM

Tito Fucking Ortiz. Every mma fan knows the story between him dodging Liddell, while Ortiz was the poster boy for Ufc. He's a good fighter, I mean he almost beat Rashad Evans and Machida, but blatantly ducking someone when you're champ is very unfighter like.

Ok he ducked Liddell years ago but how does that make him overatted ? Right now as a fighter hes underratted he is called shot and things like that but in recent years he did defeat Forrest Griffin,Rashad Evans sure it was a draw but Ortiz did in reality win more rounds just the stupid point deduction came into play,Hes the only guy to even do anything at all to Machida when he was so close to tapping him I think sweat played a factor. In his prime he was pretty badass to considering the time in which it was I know he was the greatest striker but wins over Evan Tanner,Matshuenko,Vitor Belfort,Wanderlei Silva ETC that means something. Tito is a future Hall of Famer no doubt about it and he aint totally done yet.

chimba

03-04-2009, 03:38 PM

jimmie

03-04-2009, 03:46 PM

Id like to see GSP defend the WW belt a few times before I compare him to "prime" Hughes. They fucking shipped a prime Sakurai from Japan for him and he fuckin manhandled MAch. People forget that the the Hughes in the first GSP fight is not prime Hughes, he was a bull who never "gave up" in his prime. This guy used to pick up people, walk with them and slam them, never seen anyone do that the way Matt used to do it.

Im not a Hughes fan but you gotta give him his respect I mean this guy has balls he took the 2nd BJ Penn fight on 30 days notice knowing what BJ already did to him,took the 3rd GSP fight on 30 days notice already knowing was GSP did to him in the 2nd bout,hell even Thiago Alves was on short notice Hughes didnt care. His 2nd fight agianst Frank Trigg was one of the greatest displays of heart ive seen in MMA dude is kicked in the balls,almost stopped on the ground with strikes and is turning purple in the face being choked out with the RNC but escapes picks up a strong guy like Trigg runs across the octagon slams him down like something out of a WWE match and chokes him out with the same hold. Just crazy stuff Matt Hughes is a warrior and a legend.

québecwarrior

03-04-2009, 05:01 PM

Im not a Hughes fan but you gotta give him his respect I mean this guy has balls he took the 2nd BJ Penn fight on 30 days notice knowing what BJ already did to him,took the 3rd GSP fight on 30 days notice already knowing was GSP did to him in the 2nd bout,hell even Thiago Alves was on short notice Hughes didnt care. His 2nd fight agianst Frank Trigg was one of the greatest displays of heart ive seen in MMA dude is kicked in the balls,almost stopped on the ground with strikes and is turning purple in the face being choked out with the RNC but escapes picks up a strong guy like Trigg runs across the octagon slams him down like something out of a WWE match and chokes him out with the same hold. Just crazy stuff Matt Hughes is a warrior and a legend.
??? It's GSP who did take the 3rd fight with Hughes in short notice..Because of Serra who injured himself?

Beebs

03-04-2009, 05:10 PM

??? It's GSP who did take the 3rd fight with Hughes in short notice..Because of Serra who injured himself?

Hughes was going to fight Serra for the belt, Serra got hurt, Hughes said "I'll fight GSP", Liddell was going to fight Shogun, Liddell got hurt, Hughes fights Thiago Alves on late notice.

Say what you want, but he's fought the best and will fight them at any time.

Beebs

03-04-2009, 05:11 PM

Liddell was good at beating up grapplers. Didn't do so well against other people that could strike.

Always thought Matt Hughes was rated too high too.

Pele, Mezger, Overeem, Silva when they were both past it; he fought grapplers because grapplers are usually the best fighters.

If you think Hughes had weak opponents, you simply don't have a brain.

québecwarrior

03-04-2009, 05:18 PM

Hughes was going to fight Serra for the belt, Serra got hurt, Hughes said "I'll fight GSP", Liddell was going to fight Shogun, Liddell got hurt, Hughes fights Thiago Alves on late notice.

Say what you want, but he's fought the best and will fight them at any time.
I never said otherwise apart that the man is a pure cunt and a piece of shit but that's just my opinion on the MAN. The fighter, on the other side, is a true warrior, nothing to say in bad for his career.

Beebs

03-04-2009, 05:25 PM

I never said otherwise apart that the man is a pure cunt and a piece of shit but that's just my opinion on the MAN. The fighter, on the other side, is a true warrior, nothing to say in bad for his career.

Didn't mean to imply you did, its just an expression.

I was just clearing up the short notice thing; although GSP also took the 3rd one under less than perfect circumstances I think.

québecwarrior

03-04-2009, 06:01 PM

my bad

Who would you favour
Jon Fitch vs a prime Matt Hughes?

brandon9624

03-04-2009, 07:17 PM

Ok he ducked Liddell years ago but how does that make him overatted ? Right now as a fighter hes underratted he is called shot and things like that but in recent years he did defeat Forrest Griffin,Rashad Evans sure it was a draw but Ortiz did in reality win more rounds just the stupid point deduction came into play,Hes the only guy to even do anything at all to Machida when he was so close to tapping him I think sweat played a factor. In his prime he was pretty badass to considering the time in which it was I know he was the greatest striker but wins over Evan Tanner,Matshuenko,Vitor Belfort,Wanderlei Silva ETC that means something. Tito is a future Hall of Famer no doubt about it and he aint totally done yet.
Yes, I agree for all the hoopla Evans and Machida are getting, Ortiz nearly beat both, and he may or may not get rematches. I have more respect for him now than ever before. But back when Ortiz was champ, it was clear Liddell was the gatekeeper, Ortiz even gave up the belt not to fight Liddell, then has the nerve to come back and call himself champ after Couture wins (who he thinks is a washed up fighter, easy win), and Couture destroys him.
I'll give him props on the UFC 25 Wandy win.

jimmie

03-04-2009, 07:27 PM

Yes, I agree for all the hoopla Evans and Machida are getting, Ortiz nearly beat both, and he may or may not get rematches. I have more respect for him now than ever before. But back when Ortiz was champ, it was clear Liddell was the gatekeeper, Ortiz even gave up the belt not to fight Liddell, then has the nerve to come back and call himself champ after Couture wins (who he thinks is a washed up fighter, easy win), and Couture destroys him.
I'll give him props on the UFC 25 Wandy win.

Yeah I know what you mean and Tito would always play that me and Chuck are like best freinds card and according to Chuck they never hung or anything just aquintances. He did atleast fight him though although he didnt have much of a choice I suppose taking on Liddell in 04 was the only way to get back to the top and in 06 Liddell was the Champ and he would be a real true pussy for turning down a title shot. Tito knew Chuck would be a stylistic nightmare back in 02-03 and wasnt about to risk his long title reign I understand why he ducked him but it never ever makes it right. Give Chuck credit to the guy risked his title shot by fighting Babalu and Randy Couture thats a badass.

jimmie

03-04-2009, 07:30 PM

??? It's GSP who did take the 3rd fight with Hughes in short notice..Because of Serra who injured himself?

Hughes didnt have to take the fight on that short notice noboddy forced him to but he accepted it which shows balls considering what GSP did to him the year before he could easily have waited to April to fight Serra and take the easier way of getting his belt back. Training for Serra and training for GSP is alot different.

Coast

03-04-2009, 07:41 PM

Pele, Mezger, Overeem, Silva when they were both past it

Overeem was only 23 and had won 12 in a row when Chuck knocked him out.

Pele was 25 and had won 6 in a row. It was only Lidell's 2nd fight.

Can you explain what you mean by "past it"?

jimmie

03-04-2009, 07:44 PM

Overeem was only 23 and had won 12 in a row when Chuck knocked him out.

Pele was 25 and had won 6 in a row. It was only Lidell's 2nd fight.

Can you explain what you mean by "past it"?

He means Wanderlei Silva when they where both past it notice he says ,Silva when they where both past it.

ufoalf

03-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Overeem was only 23 and had won 12 in a row when Chuck knocked him out.

Pele was 25 and had won 6 in a row. It was only Lidell's 2nd fight.

Can you explain what you mean by "past it"?

As in W.Silva and Liddell.

Coast

03-04-2009, 08:27 PM

He means Wanderlei Silva when they where both past it notice he says ,Silva when they where both past it.

Thanks, now I get it.

chimba

03-04-2009, 10:00 PM

I have one, Stephen Bonnar. This guy gets so much TV time and cant even beat Bobby Southworth in TUF

Beebs

03-04-2009, 11:48 PM

my bad

Who would you favour
Jon Fitch vs a prime Matt Hughes?

Tough to say because I am a bigger Hughes fan; so if I say Hughes I think I am letting my emotions get in the way, if I say Fitch I think I am overcompensating against my emotions.

Fitch certainly has the striking advantage, but a prime Hughes seemed to be able to take everybody down.

Lets just say I don't feel 100% confident in picking Hughes; Trigg was able to get the better of the early wrestling against Hughes, and while Fitch is not as technical as Trigg, he is bigger and a better striker.

On the other hand, when Fitch was on the ground with GSP in his guard, it was one sided; Hughes might have looked to pass a little more than GSP did that fight, and if Hughes gets passed the guard, that is close to the fight being over.

Beebs

03-04-2009, 11:49 PM

Thanks, now I get it.

Yea, I could have used better punctuation to clear that up, but I did mean when Liddell and Wandy were getting a bit old.

AJAX

03-05-2009, 12:44 AM

québecwarrior

03-05-2009, 10:35 AM

I dpn't see Hughes beating Fitch at all, let's be honest without his takedowns Hughes is nothing and that's no secret, Hughes hasn't beat a new age MMA fighter since his win over B.j. which he was losing anyhow.
but a prime Hughes had that explosivness required for takedown. Now he isnt agressive. And a passive Hughes, and probably shot, isnt gonna make him win fight.

Even Serra will beat him. Yes.

Beebs

03-05-2009, 12:31 PM

I dpn't see Hughes beating Fitch at all, let's be honest without his takedowns Hughes is nothing and that's no secret, Hughes hasn't beat a new age MMA fighter since his win over B.j. which he was losing anyhow.

Yes, he was losing, until he was winning.

Or do you actually believe yet another whiney excuse from the master of whiney exuse denial?

He will make Serra look like the never was lightweight he is.

jimmie

03-05-2009, 03:28 PM

Yes, he was losing, until he was winning.

Or do you actually believe yet another whiney excuse from the master of whiney exuse denial?

He will make Serra look like the never was lightweight he is.

Chill with the BJ makes excuses thing if I remember correctly his fans where the ones making excuses for him after that fight. BJ then wrote on his website he suffered a broken rib which is a serious thing ive broke mine to and it has incredible effects on you but he never used it as an excuse go read his book and see what he says bout that fight. BJs fans make excuses not him but BJ is kinda whiny ill admitt. He reminds me of James Toney in so many ways.

Beebs

03-05-2009, 04:03 PM

OuterDrake

03-05-2009, 04:18 PM

Urijah Faber.

jimmie

03-05-2009, 06:07 PM

Exactly, HE SAID he broke his rib, the NSAC commision said nothing, and gave no medical suspension, which a broken/seperated rib would absolutely get.

Also if you believe the rib broke at all, you have to belief that BJ both knows with 100% certainty when it broke; if Hughes broke it with one of 100 elbows, it isn't exactly "bad luck" is it?

Hughes beat Penn straight up, no qualifications needed, no excuses acceptable.

Well he says it broke it in the 2nd round and it shows considering BJ came out in round 3 and Hughes used him as target practice easily got him down,passed and beat him without BJ being able to put up a fight. I remember when I broke my rib being taken down in the gym I couldnt breathe or move my upperbody without going through the most horrible pains ive ever felt.

Ubersteve

03-06-2009, 03:52 AM

Weak comp ? The man has wins over Hayato Sakurai,BJ Penn,GSP,Frank Trigg 2x,Royce Gracie(Royce I know is in the past but Hughes tooled him in the ground game which is fairly impressive)Prime Carlos Newton 2x ETC. Hughes was a great great fighter.

Sakurai flown in, used to fighting in rings and didn't have his steroids? Penn is smaller and any top guy at that weight should beat him, GSP impressive yes but bad performance from GSP and avenged, Trigg is suited for Hughes to a tee, Gracie was absolute dogshit when Hughes fought him, Newton loses to most people that are good.

Anyway, the point of this thread I thought was to pick fighters that are rated super high in the first place.

Ubersteve

03-06-2009, 03:55 AM

Pele, Mezger, Overeem, Silva when they were both past it; he fought grapplers because grapplers are usually the best fighters.

If you think Hughes had weak opponents, you simply don't have a brain.

When he fought Jardine he got exposed for me. Really simple plan and he did not have a clue what to do. Wandy was just swinging wildly in that match, if he hadn't been so determined to be entertaining, he could have won. Can't ever see Liddell beating someone like Lyoto at any point in his career.

Hughes comp (that he beat, anyway) is weak compared to people considered on his level, I would say. Again, if you're saying overrated, you have to pick someone who's rated in the first place.