Jermain Taylor...what a terrible champion..

[Illmatic]

God, he fights often, ducks no one and ***gasp*** has close fights with p4p fighters.... HOW DARE HE! :twisted:

What a bum. What kind of crappy fighter wins close fights against top competition? Who? All bums thats who. What a joke of a fighter.

Hopkins CLEARLY won those two fights. Didnt anyone see those 8 punches he threw every round? And those six rounds that Hopkins actually fought in? Those six rounds were so dominant, and those 8 punches were so vicious, he clearly won the fight. I personally scored the 12th round of the first Hopkins fight 10-2 because of its sheer dominance by Hops.

Then this bum fights Wright. Doesn't anyone know that when you swell up someone's eye, it becomes automatic 10-8 rounds from then on? Also, clearly if you raise your hands at the end of the fight it means you won the fight. Those judges were dumbasses.

And then he was scared of Pavlik, thats why it took him like 3 weeks to get a contract signed with him....I dont care if it takes people time to talk and negotiate contracts, he was scared like a punk bitch for those three weeks.
And now he's saying he's going to 168 after the fight. :scaredas::scaredas:

What a joke. What kind of fighter goes up in weight b/c their body is maturing and they can't stay at that weight anymore? I tell you who...bums, all of em. He's clearly scared on Sturm and Abraham, thats why they're fighting the real contenders like Gevor and all time great Castillejo and Taylor's fighting freakin Pavlik, some white guy from Ohio.

This guy is a joke and I hope his nose bone is pushed into his brain instantly killing him.

[DoumB]

I sense someone is tired of the Taylor bashing?

[Scar]

I sense someone is tired of the Taylor bashing?

I know I am.

[Slicknick56]

lol i am too.

[brooklyn1550]

He gets too much criticism

[mightyd40]

God, he fights often, ducks no one and ***gasp*** has close fights with p4p fighters.... HOW DARE HE! :twisted:

What a bum. What kind of crappy fighter wins close fights against top competition? Who? All bums thats who. What a joke of a fighter.

Hopkins CLEARLY won those two fights. Didnt anyone see those 8 punches he threw every round? And those six rounds that Hopkins actually fought in? Those six rounds were so dominant, and those 8 punches were so vicious, he clearly won the fight. I personally scored the 12th round of the first Hopkins fight 10-2 because of its sheer dominance by Hops.

Then this bum fights Wright. Doesn't anyone know that when you swell up someone's eye, it becomes automatic 10-8 rounds from then on? Also, clearly if you raise your hands at the end of the fight it means you won the fight. Those judges were dumbasses.

And then he was scared of Pavlik, thats why it took him like 3 weeks to get a contract signed with him....I dont care if it takes people time to talk and negotiate contracts, he was scared like a punk bitch for those three weeks.
And now he's saying he's going to 168 after the fight. :scaredas::scaredas:

What a joke. What kind of fighter goes up in weight b/c their body is maturing and they can't stay at that weight anymore? I tell you who...bums, all of em. He's clearly scared on Sturm and Abraham, thats why they're fighting the real contenders like Gevor and all time great Castillejo and Taylor's fighting freakin Pavlik, some white guy from Ohio.

This guy is a joke and I hope his nose bone is pushed into his brain instantly killing him.


haha this is the first time i have literally laughed out loud while reading something. good post and i agree with you by the way, your sarcasm that is.

[compukiller]

The funny thing is, I agree with many of the things he put in the post. :yep

[McGrain]

He's a good fighter who's yet to prove himself.

The levels of abuse are ridiculous.

[MSTR]

God, he fights often, ducks no one and ***gasp*** has close fights with p4p fighters.... HOW DARE HE! :twisted:

What a bum. What kind of crappy fighter wins close fights against top competition? Who? All bums thats who. What a joke of a fighter.

Hopkins CLEARLY won those two fights. Didnt anyone see those 8 punches he threw every round? And those six rounds that Hopkins actually fought in? Those six rounds were so dominant, and those 8 punches were so vicious, he clearly won the fight. I personally scored the 12th round of the first Hopkins fight 10-2 because of its sheer dominance by Hops.

Then this bum fights Wright. Doesn't anyone know that when you swell up someone's eye, it becomes automatic 10-8 rounds from then on? Also, clearly if you raise your hands at the end of the fight it means you won the fight. Those judges were dumbasses.

And then he was scared of Pavlik, thats why it took him like 3 weeks to get a contract signed with him....I dont care if it takes people time to talk and negotiate contracts, he was scared like a punk bitch for those three weeks.
And now he's saying he's going to 168 after the fight. :scaredas::scaredas:

What a joke. What kind of fighter goes up in weight b/c their body is maturing and they can't stay at that weight anymore? I tell you who...bums, all of em. He's clearly scared on Sturm and Abraham, thats why they're fighting the real contenders like Gevor and all time great Castillejo and Taylor's fighting freakin Pavlik, some white guy from Ohio.

This guy is a joke and I hope his nose bone is pushed into his brain instantly killing him.
Good post.. When i saw the topic was about to jump on and make all the same points. He is a good champion so far willing to take the toughest fights available. He will derail the hype train named Pavlik. End of story.

[pipe wrenched]

Taylor is for real and he is one of my top ten favorite fighters, but Pav is more in the top five for me and I feel he will beat Taylor 7th rd. tko.

<---- But I def. like both fighters and would never bash on either.

[Mrboogie23]

God, he fights often, ducks no one and ***gasp*** has close fights with p4p fighters.... HOW DARE HE! :twisted:

What a bum. What kind of crappy fighter wins close fights against top competition? Who? All bums thats who. What a joke of a fighter.

Hopkins CLEARLY won those two fights. Didnt anyone see those 8 punches he threw every round? And those six rounds that Hopkins actually fought in? Those six rounds were so dominant, and those 8 punches were so vicious, he clearly won the fight. I personally scored the 12th round of the first Hopkins fight 10-2 because of its sheer dominance by Hops.

Then this bum fights Wright. Doesn't anyone know that when you swell up someone's eye, it becomes automatic 10-8 rounds from then on? Also, clearly if you raise your hands at the end of the fight it means you won the fight. Those judges were dumbasses.

And then he was scared of Pavlik, thats why it took him like 3 weeks to get a contract signed with him....I dont care if it takes people time to talk and negotiate contracts, he was scared like a punk bitch for those three weeks.
And now he's saying he's going to 168 after the fight. :scaredas::scaredas:

What a joke. What kind of fighter goes up in weight b/c their body is maturing and they can't stay at that weight anymore? I tell you who...bums, all of em. He's clearly scared on Sturm and Abraham, thats why they're fighting the real contenders like Gevor and all time great Castillejo and Taylor's fighting freakin Pavlik, some white guy from Ohio.

This guy is a joke and I hope his nose bone is pushed into his brain instantly killing him.


great post. When I saw the title I was about to jump in this thread and make the same points you did. :lol:

I am also sick of the Taylor bashing. I'm not sure what else people want from a champion. Boxing fans can be ridiculous sometimes.

[Terrible Terry]

Taylor is an over rated creation of HBO. The kid is tought but gets worse every time he gets in the ring. Illmatic your sarcastic post is cute but Taylor really is over rated.

[Mrboogie23]

Taylor is an over rated creation of HBO. The kid is tought but gets worse every time he gets in the ring. Illmatic your sarcastic post is cute but Taylor really is over rated.

he's overrated???

by who? Seems like everyone hates him.

[nezy37]

Taylor is an over rated creation of HBO. The kid is tought but gets worse every time he gets in the ring. Illmatic your sarcastic post is cute but Taylor really is over rated.

I for one totally agree with this post. Fight fans bitch when fighters duck opponents, JT has yet to duck anyone. I like him to beat Pavlik in one hell of a fight, and then perhaps he will get some cred

[Mrboogie23]

I for one totally agree with this post. Fight fans bitch when fighters duck opponents, JT has yet to duck anyone. I like him to beat Pavlik in one hell of a fight, and then perhaps he will get some cred


you agree that he's overrated? by who?

[jonesjrp4p1]

this is getting ridiculous with the taylor bashing...anyone who fights bhop twice then winky in a row gets credit from me.......he won all those fights imo though i could understand arguments bc they were very close.....everyone is judging him from his spinks fight which is idiotic.....the only thing i see wrong in jermain is his habit to fight to the level of his opponent...i think everyone will stop hating on him so much when he gives us an action packed fight when he beats pavlik

[nezy37]

you agree that he's overrated? by who?

I didn't mean that he is overrated, I agree that the JT bashing is way over the top. Yeah he has looked ugly in his last few fights but he is fighting often and everyone he is fighting is top level comp.

[Mrboogie23]

I didn't mean that he is overrated, I agree that the JT bashing is way over the top. Yeah he has looked ugly in his last few fights but he is fighting often and everyone he is fighting is top level comp.


oh my bad. I misunderstood. :oops:

[planetzion]

taylor sucks get over it ....

[jonesjrp4p1]

taylor sucks get over it ....

how does he suck exactly? even if you think he lost to bhop both times and to winky anyone who has a close fight with those hall of famers must be pretty good imo

i think he won all 3 of those fights though i scored 7-5 for all of them


so elaborate for me how does jermain suck?

[Amsterdam]

Let's get this CLEAR.

Taylor does not 'suck'. He is a 'poor champion' however by every right, there is a difference between a harsch criticism and saying that a guy outright 'sucks'.

I believe he's a total non-factor against larger, harder hitting men though and Pavlik is going to show this.

He had close fights with P4P ranked fighters, but those fighters were definitley not the types that 'should' give a guy like Taylor at this point trouble, Hopkins is doing excellent things for his age but he's been showing his age the last few years also and has to fight conservatively and at his pace, Taylor has all the advantages in that respect, even at Hopkins' skill level and Hopkins gets massively overrated for the Tarver win when Tarver is basically at journeyman level at this point, even though he followed up with a close win on Wright.

The point is that I don't believe that Hopkins nor Wright would do a damn thing to the bigger, more skilled fighters that Taylor would have to face to recieve a true P4P ranking, I feel that Wright would lose to Abraham for example and virtually every top SMW, but some people can't see this because of Wright's 'set reputation'. He's really a LMW and regardless of his skill level and experience, his age is starting to show also.

Pavlik is going to show why some of us are sick of Jermain Taylor being regarded as well as he is, even with all of the 'bandwagon haters' coming out after the Spinks and Ouma farce performances. I know that I have been saying these things about Taylor from the start and I stick by them.

[Marnoff]

Taylor is an over rated creation of HBO. The kid is tought but gets worse every time he gets in the ring. Illmatic your sarcastic post is cute but Taylor really is over rated.

He fought Hopkins close twice, albeit an old Hopkins. Next he took Winky to a draw. Then continues fighting titlists, albeit smaller ones. I've defended him continually.

My biggest problem with Taylor now is that he says he's fighting purely for money.

[lillarry]

God, he fights often, ducks no one and ***gasp*** has close fights with p4p fighters.... HOW DARE HE! :twisted:

What a bum. What kind of crappy fighter wins close fights against top competition? Who? All bums thats who. What a joke of a fighter.

Hopkins CLEARLY won those two fights. Didnt anyone see those 8 punches he threw every round? And those six rounds that Hopkins actually fought in? Those six rounds were so dominant, and those 8 punches were so vicious, he clearly won the fight. I personally scored the 12th round of the first Hopkins fight 10-2 because of its sheer dominance by Hops.

Then this bum fights Wright. Doesn't anyone know that when you swell up someone's eye, it becomes automatic 10-8 rounds from then on? Also, clearly if you raise your hands at the end of the fight it means you won the fight. Those judges were dumbasses.

And then he was scared of Pavlik, thats why it took him like 3 weeks to get a contract signed with him....I dont care if it takes people time to talk and negotiate contracts, he was scared like a punk bitch for those three weeks.
And now he's saying he's going to 168 after the fight. :scaredas::scaredas:

What a joke. What kind of fighter goes up in weight b/c their body is maturing and they can't stay at that weight anymore? I tell you who...bums, all of em. He's clearly scared on Sturm and Abraham, thats why they're fighting the real contenders like Gevor and all time great Castillejo and Taylor's fighting freakin Pavlik, some white guy from Ohio.

This guy is a joke and I hope his nose bone is pushed into his brain instantly killing him.

Great Satire and good post. The haters of Jermain Taylor are some the most idiotic people on this board. :good

[Amsterdam]

You are extremely stupid if you think Taylor WHO WAS IN HIS FIRST REAL FIGHT should of had no trouble in beating a well expirienced cagey ATG like Hopkins who has proven he's nowhere close to being washed up. Let alone Wright who was also on a huge roll before he fought Taylor.

It's styles mate, Hopkins at this point is heavily struggling when he can't keep his pace and Taylor was a young bulldog with a high workrate, he absolutely should have beaten the ageing Hopkins if he was the real deal, instead he gets a controversial decision and nearly taken out in the 1st, that was a bad sign already.

Hopkins is one of those guys who's still top class late in the career, but he's also a 42 year old fighter and it's showing.

Don't let the legacy of Hopkins or Wright fool into thinking because he competed with them means that he competes with guys that can easily paste him by applying pressure and making him crack, it's a different ordeal.

[Lance_Uppercut]

I don't understand the Taylor bashing myself. So he was in a few close fights and got the nod. Is that his fault? If you guys want to hate someone or something, why don't you hate HBO. Aren't they the ones who's HYPING Taylor? SO why don't you guys man up and boycott HBO for their hype job instead of trashing a young champ who's NOT AN ASSHOLE and NOT A DISRESPECTFUL DICKHEAD.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Let's get this CLEAR.

Taylor does not 'suck'. He is a 'poor champion' however by every right, there is a difference between a harsch criticism and saying that a guy outright 'sucks'.

I believe he's a total non-factor against larger, harder hitting men though and Pavlik is going to show this.

He had close fights with P4P ranked fighters, but those fighters were definitley not the types that 'should' give a guy like Taylor at this point trouble, Hopkins is doing excellent things for his age but he's been showing his age the last few years also and has to fight conservatively and at his pace, Taylor has all the advantages in that respect, even at Hopkins' skill level and Hopkins gets massively overrated for the Tarver win when Tarver is basically at journeyman level at this point, even though he followed up with a close win on Wright.

The point is that I don't believe that Hopkins nor Wright would do a damn thing to the bigger, more skilled fighters that Taylor would have to face to recieve a true P4P ranking, I feel that Wright would lose to Abraham for example and virtually every top SMW, but some people can't see this because of Wright's 'set reputation'. He's really a LMW and regardless of his skill level and experience, his age is starting to show also.

Pavlik is going to show why some of us are sick of Jermain Taylor being regarded as well as he is, even with all of the 'bandwagon haters' coming out after the Spinks and Ouma farce performances. I know that I have been saying these things about Taylor from the start and I stick by them.

:patsch

And this is the guy who sticks by Zab Fuckin Judah...:-(

[Amsterdam]

:patsch

And this is the guy who sticks by Zab Fuckin Judah...:-(

So I make the claim that Zab easily beats the massively overrated Clottey and suddenly I lose credit for 'sticking by Zab'. I never said Zab was going to be champ again, I said he could beat several of these overrated Welterweights at the moment.

Which he can. I hope the fight is made with Clottey, I'll get good odds.

[Lance_Uppercut]

So I make the claim that Zab easily beats the massively overrated Clottey and suddenly I lose credit for 'sticking by Zab'. I never said Zab was going to be champ again, I said he could beat several of these overrated Welterweights at the moment.

Which he can. I hope the fight is made with Clottey, I'll get good odds.

What was your prediction on Zab vs. Baldomir? 100% Zab by KO?:roll:

[BobDigi5060]

No way did Hopkins win the majority of those 24 rounds. The first fight had the controversy, yes, but JT clearly won the rematch. Just like Mayweather/Castillo II, the loser got their second chance and didn't do much more.

You fools who say Hopkins won those fights know that deep down if Hopkins pressed more action that he would have been hurt or put away. He had to succomb to fighting that way. If Hopkins would have went toe to toe more in either fight you fools wouldn't have shit to complain out.

Hopkins knew that he would get hurt if he put any more pressure on than he did. You fools only have Hopkins to blame for losing that fight. He was way too passive to get the job down both times. He knew better than to get hurt and possibly put away.

[Amsterdam]

Yeah, Taylor in his first fight against a live body who just happened to be an ATG (and is 42 NOW, but was younger when they fought) should've had no trouble at all winning. He also should've mopped the floor with a guy ranked ahead of him P4P who was a huge junior middle therefore not making him a small middle.

I seriously hope none of you are buying this guy's crap.

If he was really a P4P MW, he'd have CLEARLY defeated the ageing Hopkins and would have wiped the floor with Wright, yes.

You do realise that Wright was on a roll, but not like some make out like he was, most of the regard is from the Trinidad shutout, but that's again styles. Another example of styles is how Wright just barely edged Sammy Soliman in an entertaining close bout.

These guys were rightfully P4P ranked, I am not disputing that or that they are fantastic names for the resume, but the issue is that people make out because he 'competed' with them, that he will defeat non-P4P level MW's and even some SMW's, this is absurd, he cannot even handle pressure effectively. Hopkins DOESN'T pressure and Wright lacks the power to put anyone at the top level away, those are the ONLY reasons that Taylor was able to make the distance with a P4P level guy, they were the right types for him.

Again, Pavlik will blow this guy out and make my theory much more valid, even if you don't like them and can't wrap your mind around the fact that boxing shouldn't revolve around reputation alone.

[Amsterdam]

What was your prediction on Zab vs. Baldomir? 100% Zab by KO?:roll:

What does that have to do with this conversation Lance? But if you want to go into it, do you think Baldo and Clottey are comparable in the least bit?

Baldo pressures non-stop for 12 rounds at a heavy workrate, with a titanium jaw and never fades. Clottey fights in spurts, has trouble with movers and is very hurtable, he also fades after a few rounds, making himself even more vulnerable to damage and even less of his fighting in spurts, plus I doubt he has much more power than Baldomir anyway.

Baldomir would likely defeat Clottey at 154, he looked pretty decent there against Forrest.

[Lance_Uppercut]

If he was really a P4P MW, he'd have CLEARLY defeated the ageing Hopkins and would have wiped the floor with Wright, yes.

You do realise that Wright was on a roll, but not like some make out like he was, most of the regard is from the Trinidad shutout, but that's again styles. Another example of styles is how Wright just barely edged Sammy Soliman in an entertaining close bout.

These guys were rightfully P4P ranked, I am not disputing that or that they are fantastic names for the resume, but the issue is that people make out because he 'competed' with them, that he will defeat non-P4P level MW's and even some SMW's, this is absurd, he cannot even handle pressure effectively. Hopkins DOESN'T pressure and Wright lacks the power to put anyone at the top level away, those are the ONLY reasons that Taylor was able to make the distance with a P4P level guy, they were the right types for him.

Again, Pavlik will blow this guy out and make my theory much more valid, even if you don't like them and can't wrap your mind around the fact that boxing shouldn't revolve around reputation alone.

Yet you hate Taylor because of a reputation you don't think he deseves? :huh

A reputation overzealous fans gave him? For someone who's thinks they are pretty bright, how about you make up your mind on your OWN, rather then have fanboys do it for you....

[Lance_Uppercut]

What does that have to do with this conversation Lance? But if you want to go into it, do you think Baldo and Clottey are comparable in the least bit?

Baldo pressures non-stop for 12 rounds at a heavy workrate, with a titanium jaw and never fades. Clottey fights in spurts, has trouble with movers and is very hurtable, he also fades after a few rounds, making himself even more vulnerable to damage and even less of his fighting in spurts, plus I doubt he has much more power than Baldomir anyway.

Baldomir would likely defeat Clottey at 154, he looked pretty decent there against Forrest.

So did you or did you not think Zab would win over Baldomir?

[Amsterdam]

Yet you hate Taylor because of a reputation you don't think he deseves? :huh

A reputation overzealous fans gave him? For someone who's thinks they are pretty bright, how about you make up your mind on your OWN, rather then have fanboys do it for you....

There are multiple reasons why I hate hype jobs and that is what Taylor is.

[Amsterdam]

So did you or did you not think Zab would win over Baldomir?

Yes, I thought it was a tune up fight for him. But I had never seen Baldomir prior to that and had no knowledge of him, other than reading that Baldomir felt he had 'underrated power', which did come into play during that fight.

But again, Baldomir and Clottey are far apart. I am running off of a stylistic comparison because I know you don't believe that Zab is a hot and cold fighter to start with, but even this styles comparison is valid if Zab at his best lost to Baldomir, because Clottey is made well for Zab.

[Lance_Uppercut]

There are multiple reasons why I hate hype jobs and that is what Taylor is.

And who's fault? Taylors? Is he paying HBO to up him as a fighter? Amazing, or better yet, ironic, how you hate hype jobs yet sport that avatar and love for JC. The very definition of contradictory IMHO. Why aren't you haitng JC for the way his fans hype him? I mean, IF you are so against hype jobs.

[BobDigi5060]

Shit.. I'm outta popcorn :p

[Lance_Uppercut]

Yes, I thought it was a tune up fight for him. But I had never seen Baldomir prior to that and had no knowledge of him, other than reading that Baldomir felt he had 'underrated power', which did come into play during that fight.

But again, Baldomir and Clottey are far apart. I am running off of a stylistic comparison because I know you don't believe that Zab is a hot and cold fighter to start with, but even this styles comparison is valid if Zab at his best lost to Baldomir, because Clottey is made well for Zab.

Thank you, that's what I was fishing for. I guess all those "XXXX will win 100% by KO" posts of yours are more your "educated opinion :roll:" and probably NOT as 100% as you like to say right? :yep

My work is done here.:deal

[Alo2006]

great post. When I saw the title I was about to jump in this thread and make the same points you did. :lol:

I am also sick of the Taylor bashing. I'm not sure what else people want from a champion. Boxing fans can be ridiculous sometimes.

I totally agree with u, it's sad.

[Amsterdam]

And who's fault? Taylors? Is he paying HBO to up him as a fighter? Amazing, or better yet, ironic, how you hate hype jobs yet sport that avatar and love for JC. The very definition of contradictory IMHO. Why aren't you haitng JC for the way his fans hype him? I mean, IF you are so against hype jobs.

JC is a mass criticised fighter, he's never been in the 'hype job' category.

Taylor's had a massive marketing train ever since the Olympics, it was similiar in ways to DLH, only he's never put up performances like DLH to seal that deal. Do you want to compare a red carpet ride and career long overhyping to a fighter who's been criticised and avoided/mismanaged, only to recieve heavy regard after brutally thrashing the guy who was supposed to 'kill' the 'joke' that most idiots thought he was.

:roll:

[Amsterdam]

Well you were on the Miranda bandwagon, you are on the Pavlik and Peter one. All three are hype jobs. Maybe all three prove themselves as titlists or something but right now none of them has earned all the hype around them. They are hype jobs- and you are hating hype jobs. Why do you support them?

Let me set this clear.

I am STILL an Edison Miranda fan, have been since his fight with Eastman and I think he'll bounce back, he's an exciting fighter who's willing to take on anyone.

I am not a Pavlik fan, I am just picking him to KO Taylor and he will.

I am a Sam Peter fan, yes. None of these guys get the kind of hype job red carpet ride that Jermain Taylor's and Amir Khan's recieve.

[Amsterdam]

Everyone and their moms was picking Hopkins to win the first time, yet it wasn't good enough that Taylor won (even if you think he didn't win he made it debatable) he had to win with no trouble. It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Believe it or not, I picked Taylor to win by wide UD, based on styles. He sure didn't win on my card and I can admit to a bad pick.:yep

[Napoleon]

Lets see Taylor "win" a fight, maybe he'll get some credit then.

[Amsterdam]

Okay, Taylor get´s hyped from HBO which i don´t know anything about because i´m from Germany :D but what i can see is the hype for Peter and Miranda, before the Pavlik fight, from just about everybody. Both have nearly no skills, a good chin and a hard punch. That makes for exciting fights but that´s hardly enough for beeing ranked that highly. Miranda at least fought and beat some credible opponents but Peter? His claim to fame is losing to Wlad, getting a gift and beating an old, fat, shot former middlweight. If you don´t get the hype for Taylor than the hype for Peter should really annoy you.
I hope to Miranda bounces back, i doubt he ever will be a world champ but he could be a good contender or gate-keeper and deliver exciting fights. After his next bout i would love to see Berrio-Miranda at sm. Should be an exciting brawl.

I never believed Miranda would be a P4P level fighter, but I do think he's a top level MW at the moment and I enjoy his exciting bouts, if anyone was hyping him as the next big P4P star in boxing then that is their lack of knowledge. Miranda can improve however and be a valid top contender.

Peter exhibits the type of intangibles needed for a top class HW, Taylor exhibits only vulnerability in his skill and natural ability, it's a different situation. Even then, some idiots are picking Maskaev to beat Peter, that is beyond ABSURD. I'd be surprised if Maskaev gives him two rounds at best, because he's old, has a shaky chin and NO legs.

Peter has many harsch critics, Taylor has haters, fanboys and then a ton of 'apologists' along with his red carpet ride from the start, it's not even close to the same thing.

[sues2nd]

God, he fights often, ducks no one and ***gasp*** has close fights with p4p fighters.... HOW DARE HE! :twisted:

What a bum. What kind of crappy fighter wins close fights against top competition? Who? All bums thats who. What a joke of a fighter.

Hopkins CLEARLY won those two fights. Didnt anyone see those 8 punches he threw every round? And those six rounds that Hopkins actually fought in? Those six rounds were so dominant, and those 8 punches were so vicious, he clearly won the fight. I personally scored the 12th round of the first Hopkins fight 10-2 because of its sheer dominance by Hops.

Then this bum fights Wright. Doesn't anyone know that when you swell up someone's eye, it becomes automatic 10-8 rounds from then on? Also, clearly if you raise your hands at the end of the fight it means you won the fight. Those judges were dumbasses.

And then he was scared of Pavlik, thats why it took him like 3 weeks to get a contract signed with him....I dont care if it takes people time to talk and negotiate contracts, he was scared like a punk bitch for those three weeks.
And now he's saying he's going to 168 after the fight. :scaredas::scaredas:

What a joke. What kind of fighter goes up in weight b/c their body is maturing and they can't stay at that weight anymore? I tell you who...bums, all of em. He's clearly scared on Sturm and Abraham, thats why they're fighting the real contenders like Gevor and all time great Castillejo and Taylor's fighting freakin Pavlik, some white guy from Ohio.

This guy is a joke and I hope his nose bone is pushed into his brain instantly killing him.

:happy :happy :happy

Great post...the bs shit against this guy is ridiculous. He should be praised and people knock him for getting the decision in close fights (I had him losing the first to Hop, drawing the second and drawing with Winky). Ridiculous.

[unclepaulie]

finally someone understands!

[Amsterdam]

You still haven´t answered my questen.
I pick Maskaev to beat Peter whi imo is massivly overrated, especially after seeing a picture of Pter recent. Imo he takes the fight to lightly and will come in overweight and undertrained. Maskaev maybe old but well till now it seems age wasn´t too harsh on him. Maskaev doesn´t have the best chin but Peter´s power ain´t as good as it made up. Right now he hadn´t kayoed somebody in Maskaev´s league and Maskaev has improved his defence. I go with Maskaev by UD perhaps even late round TKO when Peter really comes in that untrained.

I did answer your question.

[Fedor Em]

He won both Hopkins fights and I am a die hard B-Hop fan and don't like Taylor. The Winky fight I had either a draw or 7-5 Winky so it definately was not a robbery, he looked bad against Ouma but still won without question, and I haven't seen the Spinks fight yet. I am sick of people saying he is china cause if he was then he would not have went 24 rounds with Hopkins. Has Taylor ever even been down in his carrer?

[boxeo#1]

He gets too much criticism

I am also pointing this out in another taylor post:

What can he do about it that the judges everytime score it in favor of him!?
Hate the judges (vs hopkins twice, spinks, wright) not taylor. It's annoying, but it's not fair that taylor gets ''hated'' when a judge is not judging correctly..

Hope you guys get my point with my limited english

[Axe]

Taylor is a good champ who gets bashed on here far too often imo. He's done everything a good champ should do, and that is to fight the best in his weight class. His skills are definitely overrated, though he should have enough in him to beat Pavlik at this stage of his career, who is certainly no P4Per himself.

[curtis]

I think Taylor is a good champ, but not P4P material.

[Guru_Too_You]

So did you or did you not think Zab would win over Baldomir?

As if you didnt.

[RDJ]

I lost respect for Taylor after the Spinks fight.

[nervousxtian]

Remember Spinks beat Taylor as well, each one of those punches Spinks landed per round, all 6 of them, they are scored times 4 because he came up in weight.. so he dominated Taylor.

I mean, shit.. 12 x 6 x 4 = TOTAL DOMINATION BY SPINKS.

[Boinko]

He should have walked through Winky - he was bigger and stronger and was prepared to stand an fight. His fights following that have been worryingly limited but, despite that, I would like him to beat Pavlik.


Walked through Winky? I seem to recall before the Wright fight, the majority opinion was that Taylor would get thoroughly outboxed by the technically brilliant Winky.
Some even predicted a shutout a la the Felix Trinidad fight.

However, once the fight was over and ended up being very close, suddenly Taylor is shit?

Granted, Taylor's last two fights have been very unsatisfying. But, now that he is fighting Pavlik a lot of questions should be answered.

But, it would appear it's a given for some that Taylor is going to get destroyed, so if he actually end up winning up the fight, I'm sure the praise for Jermain will be high since it's a fight he supposedly has very little chance of winning. (at least that's what some fans are saying)

[McGrain]

The bottom line here is everyone is trying to right the guy of when he's around the corner from a really big fight. Let's wait and see. In the meantime Taylor can quite rightly point to a very high average quality in terms of the opponents he's faced; one of those guys is an ATG - another was p4p top 6 at the time of the fight.

[nervousxtian]

Anyone who thinks Spinks won that fight has something against Taylor.

Jermain is one of the truly "good" guys in boxing these days.

[marauder1999]

If this many people have to sit and give credibility to taylor then obviously there are alot of people thinking taylor isnt as gifted as they seem. Taylors a good fighter--why sit and rationalize on why he is unless you see a major flaw?

[Boinko]

If this many people have to sit and give credibility to taylor then obviously there are alot of people thinking taylor isnt as gifted as they seem. Taylors a good fighter--why sit and rationalize on why he is unless you see a major flaw?
That's rather flawed logic. You can start a thread about any belt holder in boxing history and title it "<insert name here>...what a terrible champion" and you'll get tons of posts rushing to defend said fighter.
That doesn't necessarily mean that they're defending the fighter because they are worried he might not be as gifted as some think. They're likely defending that fighter because the title of the thread is so inflammatory and the accusations are so biased.

[MrMagic]

That's too much.. Taylor fought Spinks who isn't a real MW, but he's definitely not ducking or running from nobody, he wanted Hopkins, he gave Hopkins a rematch and won the rematch in my view (B-hops fan). Now he takes on Pavlik on our demand, we can't really start bitching about Abraham or Sturm just yet, because WE demanded Pavlik and WE got that fight.
As a fight fan, Taylor can bore me to death, but he's not ducking or avoiding nobody. I think Pavlik will win, but I am not too sure.