Down with Jermain!!!!

[compukiller]

And, no I do not mean Jermaine Jackson:fire


Taylor has been a blight in boxing for quite sometime now. His reign as the most Disputed Undisputed champ in recent history is a testament to the corruption of the boxing establishment.

He was given not 1, but 2 gifts against Hopkins, was saved by a laughable draw against Winky, and IMO cleanly outboxed by Cory Spinks.

That's right, Cory "welterweight" Spinks. :deal


The sad thing is, Taylor is a young fighter who once, it seems like decades ago, showed some shadings of promise. But he was avaerage at best, and beating up on small and old 154 pounders will make anyone look like a beast.

He seems like a nice enough guy, and he certainly is not lacking in heart. But I believe if Taylor will ever improve, the illusion of Jermaine Taylor, middle weight savior, must be totally destroyed.

HBO and Lou Dibella cannot continue carrying him. The broadcasters at HBO show an unatural love for this man, so much so that they have to tear down older, better and more successful fighters (Bhop, Winky) just to make him not look like the average fighter he is. Lou Dibella has desperately tried to get an opponent that he can strarch, but Jermaine can't pull the trigger anymore. He has fought lately at not too much above a journeyman level of performance. He looked like an absolute bum against Spinks. SPINKS!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I believe Hopkins exposed Taylor as a hype job in his two fights with him. No matter what those damn HBO bought judges wrote on the cards, JT was beaten, physcially, but especially mentally. BHOP took something from Jermaine in those fights. He made Jermaine doubt himself very deeply.

A spirited effort against Winky cannot hide the fact that Wright, the smaller man, stood RIGHT IN FRONT of JT and not only outboxed him, but actually whipped his ass. Backing him up, and punishing him with clean power punching.

But another HBO gift saved the day for young Taylor. His rightfully won his fight with Ouma, but looked less than stellar as he could never even drop the much, much smaller man.

Manny Steward, a great trainer according to anyone who is a rational thinking fan, has done nothing with him. Manny has been on his job though, begging BHOP and Winky to retire live on HBO, so that JT will never have to face them again as JT moves up in weight. But even Steward lost his cool with Taylor's awful performance against Spinks. His yelling at Jermaine on live TV was an HBO 2007 highlight.

For the good of boxing, the good of the fans, and for Jermaine Taylor himself, this charade must come to an end. Jermaine needs to be taught a brutal lesson. He needs to be checked. He needs to be scared straight.


He Needs to be KTFO!!!!:deal :yep :good

[Scar]

The first fight with Hopkins was too close even though it was too soon for Taylor, but still the first fight could've been a draw, the rematch was a clear win for Taylor in my opinion and I believe he won the Wright fight as well. His fight with Ouma and Spinks were pathetic, I agree but that doesn't mean he's an easy target, not at all and I believe the Pavlik fight will prove it whether he wins or loses.

[compukiller]

The first fight with Hopkins was too close even though it was too soon for Taylor, but still the first fight could've been a draw, the rematch was a clear win for Taylor in my opinion and I believe he won the Wright fight as well. His fight with Ouma and Spinks were pathetic, I agree but that doesn't mean he's an easy target, not at all and I believe the Pavlik fight will prove it whether he wins or loses.

Pavlik will have to KO for sure. No one wins a decision against Jermaine Taylor. :deal

[pipe wrenched]

I know alot of people have argued against, but as I watched the fight and still looking back over it I feel Spinks won. Note: I am a fan of Taylor.

[compukiller]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Fuck! I love this post. :yep

:good

[alex-boxer42]

I might be the only won, but I think he may have even lost the ouma one. He was definitly close to getting outworked, thats for sure.

[Mrboogie23]

I understand some of the flack the guy catches but to hate him is ridiculous.

His competition is much tougher then MOST champions today. He doesnt back down from a challenge. Yes, some of his fights have been ugly, but he doesnt have the speed required to look great against someone like cory spinks. Spinks makes most people look bad. Winky is the same.

he's a good fighter that genuinely wants to fight good competition. He took on Ouma for a fucking tuneup for fucks sake.

[McGrain]

He's a good fighter with two modern greats under his belt.

And a fight with the #1 contender, arguably, around the corner.

[maximumsg]

His great wins over two greats will be forever tainted by punch stats. He got outlanded in all three of those fights. For the people that think he won them watch it with now sound without the HBO cheerleaders and I promise you will change your mind, mainly because he never lands shit unless you ask lamply.

[McGrain]

His great wins over two greats will be forever tainted by punch stats. He got outlanded in all three of those fights. For the people that think he won them watch it with now sound without the HBO cheerleaders and I promise you will change your mind, mainly because he never lands shit unless you ask lamply.

Yeah, the wins were suspect, and so was the draw. But he still took those fights which I though was admirable. People act like he's blown that stock already, but some dominant champs can go years - years, literally - without tangling with two fighters as tood as Hopkins and Wright.

[thewoo]

And, no I do not mean Jermaine Jackson:fire


Taylor has been a blight in boxing for quite sometime now. His reign as the most Disputed Undisputed champ in recent history is a testament to the corruption of the boxing establishment.

He was given not 1, but 2 gifts against Hopkins,

I stopped reading right here. Taylor won both those fights and fuckers need to just get over it.

[compukiller]

I stopped reading right here. Taylor won both those fights and fuckers need to just get over it.


I forgive you. HBO casts a very strong spell, indeed.

[Amsterdam]

I understand some of the flack the guy catches but to hate him is ridiculous.

His competition is much tougher then MOST champions today. He doesnt back down from a challenge. Yes, some of his fights have been ugly, but he doesnt have the speed required to look great against someone like cory spinks. Spinks makes most people look bad. Winky is the same.

he's a good fighter that genuinely wants to fight good competition. He took on Ouma for a fucking tuneup for fucks sake.

Ouma IS a tune up for a top class, large MW, because he's right there to be hit. The performance was pathetic, don't act like Ouma is anything notable in the sport of boxing when Karmazin already dominated him and dropped him.

[Mrboogie23]

Ouma IS a tune up for a top class, large MW, because he's right there to be hit. The performance was pathetic, don't act like Ouma is anything notable in the sport of boxing when Karmazin already dominated him and dropped him.


so because Ouma lost to Karmazin we should write him off. He was a champ 154 and a good fighter. Amsterdam, I understand your points in reference to Jermain vs Pavlik but what I dont understand is peoples hate for him.

Thats what bugs me. He's a GOOD fighter. And yes it should matter that he did well against the type of competition that most fighters would lose to.

Regardless of age, hopkins and winky are still world class fighters. Jermaine has fought world class competition on a consistent basis. He deserves respect and I'm getting sick of the hate that people constantly spew.

Okay, maybe you dont agree with the decisions, thats fine, but one thing that ISNT debatable is the fact that Jermain is that they were close fights and the decision UNDERSTANDABLY could have gone to EITHER fighter.

People act like it was daylight robbery. its bullshit, and the hate he gets is not warranted.

[compukiller]

so because Ouma lost to Karmazin we should write him off. He was a champ 154 and a good fighter. Amsterdam, I understand your points in reference to Jermain vs Pavlik but what I dont understand is peoples hate for him.

Thats what bugs me. He's a GOOD fighter. And yes it should matter that he did well against the type of competition that most fighters would lose to.

Regardless of age, hopkins and winky are still world class fighters. Jermaine has fought world class competition on a consistent basis. He deserves respect and I'm getting sick of the hate that people constantly spew.

Okay, maybe you dont agree with the decisions, thats fine, but one thing that ISNT debatable is the fact that Jermain is that they were close fights and the decision UNDERSTANDABLY could have gone to EITHER fighter.

People act like it was daylight robbery. its bullshit, and the hate he gets is not warranted.

It's not him we hate. It is all the hype around him, and especially HBO's treatment of him. It is un******ted and shameful. :deal

[Marnoff]

He's a good fighter with two modern greats under his belt.

And a fight with the #1 contender, arguably, around the corner.

Yep.

[Mrboogie23]

It's not him we hate. It is all the hype around him, and especially HBO's treatment of him. It is un******ted and shameful. :deal


thats just DUMB. What hype? Everyone hates him and wants him to lose. who's hyping him besides steward?

[Lance_Uppercut]

It's not him we hate. It is all the hype around him, and especially HBO's treatment of him. It is un******ted and shameful. :deal
Why don't you STOP WATCHING HBO instead, since THEY are the ones doing the hype job. Taylor is just fighting who his team puts in front of him.

BTW, has HBO claimed Taylor as some modern great already? Best MW ever? Have they billed him as unbeatable or something? Or are you guys just pissed that HBO likes him a lot and is using him for their own reasons? If the last one is true, your problem is with yourself more then it is Taylor..:patsch

[compukiller]

thats just DUMB. What hype? Everyone hates him and wants him to lose. who's hyping him besides steward?

Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, and several misguided members of the boxing media.

Have you heard the bashing of BHOP and WINKY on HBO telecasts as of late? They are doing it even in fights that have nothing to with him. All this is to make JT look good in comparison. :deal

[Thor]

If you haters feel like voicing your opinions at least spell his name correctly. JERMAIN Taylor. That is all.

[compukiller]

Why don't you STOP WATCHING HBO instead, since THEY are the ones doing the hype job. Taylor is just fighting who his team puts in front of him.

BTW, has HBO claimed Taylor as some modern great already? Best MW ever? Have they billed him as unbeatable or something? Or are you guys just pissed that HBO likes him a lot and is using him? If the last one is true, your problem is with yourself more then it is Taylor..:patsch


Nothing the man has done has warranted the excuses HBO makes up for him. They call shots he does not land, try to bash Hopkins and Winky because Taylor fought them in the past, and continually praise him no matter what he does, or how bad his performance.

And to Boycott HBO means I can barely watch boxing anymore, due to the fucked up nature of the sport. Any rational person would agree with this, so your mention of me striking against HBO must clearly be some half assed attempt to make something you thought was valid a point. :good

[Amsterdam]

so because Ouma lost to Karmazin we should write him off. He was a champ 154 and a good fighter. Amsterdam, I understand your points in reference to Jermain vs Pavlik but what I dont understand is peoples hate for him.

Thats what bugs me. He's a GOOD fighter. And yes it should matter that he did well against the type of competition that most fighters would lose to.

Regardless of age, hopkins and winky are still world class fighters. Jermaine has fought world class competition on a consistent basis. He deserves respect and I'm getting sick of the hate that people constantly spew.

Okay, maybe you dont agree with the decisions, thats fine, but one thing that ISNT debatable is the fact that Jermain is that they were close fights and the decision UNDERSTANDABLY could have gone to EITHER fighter.

People act like it was daylight robbery. its bullshit, and the hate he gets is not warranted.

I'm not writing Ouma off, I am flat out saying that he is what he is, a B level 154 pressure fighter, that is a FACT and Karmazin easily dealt with him and would do so again, where is Karmazin's credit? There is none.

Karmazin has no reputation, therefore he's not well regarded and can secure no decent fights because he brings no money and is dangerous for anybody at any given night, he'll fade out with no stich of a legacy and is already 34 years old.

The hate of the Taylor-Wright-Hopkins threesome is of a larger issue with the sport, because these guys are in a 'set circle' that is regarded as elite and I can name off 10 fighters from 160-175 that would own all 3 of them at this point and these guys get only moderate regard where the threesome gets heavy regard for fighting each other.

I hate this type of shit.

[Thor]

People keep mentioning the fact Karmazin knocked Ouma down. Didn't Ouma have pneumonia or something? It would be hard to verify either way, but Ouma doesn't seem like the kind of guy to make excuses, but I could be wrong.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Nothing the man has done has warranted the excuses HBO makes up for him. They call shots he does not land, try to bash Hopkins and Winky because Taylor fought them in the past, and continually praise him no matter what he does, or how bad his performance.

And to Boycott HBO means I can barely watch boxing anymore, due to the fucked up nature of the sport. Any rational person would agree with this, so your mention of me striking against HBO must clearly be some half assed attempt to make something you thought was valid a point. :good


Oh please, like you're the voice of rationale here...Simnple question, why do you hate Jermain for the shit HBO is saying? DO you have some problem making your own mind?

[Alo2006]

This Hate for JT is crazy. Lets see how people feel about him after the Pavlik fight :yep

[compukiller]

Oh please, like you're the voice of rationale here...Simnple question, why do you hate Jermain for the shit HBO is saying? DO you have some problem making your own mind?

If you read the opening post of this thread, you would realize that I explicitly stated that I do not hate Jermain himself. I credited for having heart and being willing to face good fighters. I simply think he is average at best.

I don't hate Jermain for the HBO bullshit. But the only way to get them to stop, and to wake JT up from whatever daze he had been in, he needs to get his ass kicked, and quite brutally. This will end all the hype and teach JT and HBO a serious lesson!!!:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal

[Mrboogie23]

I'm not writing Ouma off, I am flat out saying that he is what he is, a B level 154 pressure fighter, that is a FACT and Karmazin easily dealt with him and would do so again, where is Karmazin's credit? There is none.

Karmazin has no reputation, therefore he's not well regarded and can secure no decent fights because he brings no money and is dangerous for anybody at any given night, he'll fade out with no stich of a legacy and is already 34 years old.

The hate of the Taylor-Wright-Hopkins threesome is of a larger issue with the sport, because these guys are in a 'set circle' that is regarded as elite and I can name off 10 fighters from 160-175 that would own all 3 of them at this point and these guys get only moderate regard where the threesome gets heavy regard for fighting each other.

I hate this type of shit.


I gave Karmazin tons of credit for the absolute domination of Ouma. Of course those posts are gone but I'm not one to bullshit about boxing, you can believe me.

I'm not so sure there are 10 fighters that own all 3 of them. I dont think any of them are the types of fighters that get owned. They're a tough fight for anyone. Yes one punch can change a fight but the only one of the 3 that you mention that is susceptible to that one punch is Taylor.

Wright and Hopkins have solid beards and very good defense and technical ability. I doubt anyone owns them. The only person that I can honestly see owning them would be Calzaghe because he is a very good fighter. As far as the Taylor Pavlik fight, I've already told you my pick on the fight and my reasons but I do acknowledge that Pavlik has the power to hurt Taylor.

Anyway, I'm getting off track.


Your point was that you dislike the above trio because other elite fighters in their divisions are overshadowed because of their names. Thats a very valid point and I in no way disagree. I hate when world class fighters are ignored.

The one problem with that is that Taylor has made every effort to fight the best competition available to him and has no history of ducking anyone.

Taylor shouldnt be included in that.

[compukiller]

This Hate for JT is crazy. Lets see how people feel about him after the Pavlik fight :yep


I'll feel he got KTFO!!!:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[Lance_Uppercut]

If you read the opening post of this thread, you would realize that I explicitly stated that I do not hate Jermain himself. I credited for having heart and being willing to face good fighters. I simply think he is average at best.

I don't hate Jermain for the HBO bullshit. But the only way to get them to stop, and to wake JT up from whatever daze he had been in, he needs to get his as licked, and quite brutally. This will end all the hype and teach JT and HBO a serious lesson!!!:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal

You make no sense at all. You want him to lose badly to TEACH HBO a lesson? :-(

[compukiller]

You make no sense at all. You want him to lose badly to TEACH HBO a lesson? :-(

Yes!!!! Because it will cement the fact that they are way too effusive in their praise of Taylor, and the bashing of other fighters who posed a threat to him in the past. :deal

It should not be too difficult to understand.:good

[Alo2006]

I'll feel he got KTFO!!!:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

If JT KO pavlik, your going to hear my mouth for sure :yep :good

[compukiller]

If JT KO pavlik, your going to hear my mouth for sure :yep :good

Sounds like you want an avatar bet. :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep


Or are you man enough???:think

[Alo2006]

Sounds like you want an avatar bet. :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep


Or are you man enough???:think


The only fighter I bet on is Mayweather, that's a guareented win, ya dig :yep

[Amsterdam]

The only fighter I bet on is Mayweather, that's a guareented win, ya dig :yep

I can think of several WW's that would spank his ass.:yep

[compukiller]

The only fighter I bet on is Mayweather, that's a guareented win, ya dig :yep

Pavlik by late TKO:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[Alo2006]

I can think of several WW's that would spank his ass.:yep

Please do name :lol:

[sues2nd]

And, no I do not mean Jermaine Jackson:fire


Taylor has been a blight in boxing for quite sometime now. His reign as the most Disputed Undisputed champ in recent history is a testament to the corruption of the boxing establishment.

He was given not 1, but 2 gifts against Hopkins, was saved by a laughable draw against Winky, and IMO cleanly outboxed by Cory Spinks.

That's right, Cory "welterweight" Spinks. :deal


The sad thing is, Taylor is a young fighter who once, it seems like decades ago, showed some shadings of promise. But he was avaerage at best, and beating up on small and old 154 pounders will make anyone look like a beast.

He seems like a nice enough guy, and he certainly is not lacking in heart. But I believe if Taylor will ever improve, the illusion of Jermaine Taylor, middle weight savior, must be totally destroyed.

HBO and Lou Dibella cannot continue carrying him. The broadcasters at HBO show an unatural love for this man, so much so that they have to tear down older, better and more successful fighters (Bhop, Winky) just to make him not look like the average fighter he is. Lou Dibella has desperately tried to get an opponent that he can strarch, but Jermaine can't pull the trigger anymore. He has fought lately at not too much above a journeyman level of performance. He looked like an absolute bum against Spinks. SPINKS!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I believe Hopkins exposed Taylor as a hype job in his two fights with him. No matter what those damn HBO bought judges wrote on the cards, JT was beaten, physcially, but especially mentally. BHOP took something from Jermaine in those fights. He made Jermaine doubt himself very deeply.

A spirited effort against Winky cannot hide the fact that Wright, the smaller man, stood RIGHT IN FRONT of JT and not only outboxed him, but actually whipped his ass. Backing him up, and punishing him with clean power punching.

But another HBO gift saved the day for young Taylor. His rightfully won his fight with Ouma, but looked less than stellar as he could never even drop the much, much smaller man.

Manny Steward, a great trainer according to anyone who is a rational thinking fan, has done nothing with him. Manny has been on his job though, begging BHOP and Winky to retire live on HBO, so that JT will never have to face them again as JT moves up in weight. But even Steward lost his cool with Taylor's awful performance against Spinks. His yelling at Jermaine on live TV was an HBO 2007 highlight.

For the good of boxing, the good of the fans, and for Jermaine Taylor himself, this charade must come to an end. Jermaine needs to be taught a brutal lesson. He needs to be checked. He needs to be scared straight.


He Needs to be KTFO!!!!:deal :yep :good

Ya see, this is another thing that is wrong with boxing. THE FANS!!!

You have champions that go YEARS without fighting a single meaningful fighter. You have terrible organizations that are so corrupt that they set up fights with b level fighters as "mandatories" and ignore unification bouts and all too often put undeserving challengers and leave deserving ones to wait and hope.

And then there are fighters like Jermaine Taylor.

He was a young up and coming lion and he got a shot that he took advantage of (just for the record, I feel he barely lost the first one and the second was a draw) vs Hopkins. Say what you want, but he kept it at least close to have us STILL arguing about it years afterwards.

So he wins the title and since then has fought NOTHING but upper echelon talent. He went from Joppy, to Hopkins, to Hopkins, to Winky (a fight I had as a draw also), to Ouma, to Spinks and now to Pavlik.

PLEASE NAME 3 OTHER FIGHTERS WHO HAVE TAKEN ON THAT LEVEL OF COMP IN THEIR LAST 5 or 6 FIGHTS???

And we are complaining that he got (arguable) gift decisions? So did SRL, so did Chavez (and his aint even arguable), so did Floyd, so did Oscar (a few times over), so did Mosely, so did Vargas, so did.....you get the point....I could go on all day.

So instead of praising him for taking on the best fighters he could....we slam him and pray he loses and gets KTFO???

Again, along with unneeded PPVs, corrupt organizations, judges and promoters, too many abc belts, etc. Im adding to many bs hatin ass fans.

Some of you are gonna flame me for this......and your probably are part of the problem.

Some of you will praise me for this......thanks!

:good and :hi:

[Lance_Uppercut]

Yes!!!! Because it will cement the fact that they are way too effusive in their praise of Taylor, and the bashing of other fighters who posed a threat to him in the past. :deal

It should not be too difficult to understand.:good

What a sad excuse for a fan... Taylor does nothing but fiught top guys and ISN'T a dick. And yet YOU put money into HBO and their PPV's, yet hate the guy they hype rather then them? Pathetic...:patsch

[Lance_Uppercut]

Ya see, this is another thing that is wrong with boxing. THE FANS!!!

You have champions that go YEARS without fighting a single meaningful fighter. You have terrible organizations that are so corrupt that they set up fights with b level fighters as "mandatories" and ignore unification bouts and all too often put undeserving challengers and leave deserving ones to wait and hope.

And then there are fighters like Jermaine Taylor.

He was a young up and coming lion and he got a shot that he took advantage of (just for the record, I feel he barely lost the first one and the second was a draw) vs Hopkins. Say what you want, but he kept it at least close to have us STILL arguing about it years afterwards.

So he wins the title and since then has fought NOTHING but upper echelon talent. He went from Joppy, to Hopkins, to Hopkins, to Winky (a fight I had as a draw also), to Ouma, to Spinks and now to Pavlik.

PLEASE NAME 3 OTHER FIGHTERS WHO HAVE TAKEN ON THAT LEVEL OF COMP IN THEIR LAST 5 or 6 FIGHTS???

And we are complaining that he got (arguable) gift decisions? So did SRL, so did Chavez (and his aint even arguable), so did Floyd, so did Oscar (a few times over), so did Mosely, so did Vargas, so did.....you get the point....I could go on all day.

So instead of praising him for taking on the best fighters he could....we slam him and pray he loses and gets KTFO???

Again, along with unneeded PPVs, corrupt organizations, judges and promoters, too many abc belts, etc. Im adding to many bs hatin ass fans.

Some of you are gonna flame me for this......and your probably are part of the problem.

Some of you will praise me for this......thanks!

:good and :hi:

These guys are fuckin sad examples of boxing fans. If they hate HBO so much they should STOP WATCHING them.

Maybe if Taylor bitch slapped a women or made a shitty rapo song they would like him more...:-(

[compukiller]

What a sad excuse for a fan... Taylor does nothing but fiught top guys and ISN'T a dick. And yet YOU put money into HBO and their PPV's, yet hate the guy they hype rather then them? Pathetic...:patsch

I usually don't buy the PPV's, and as I have stated I DO NOT HATE JT HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal

[Motor City Sam]

I understand some of the flack the guy catches but to hate him is ridiculous.

His competition is much tougher then MOST champions today. He doesnt back down from a challenge. Yes, some of his fights have been ugly, but he doesnt have the speed required to look great against someone like cory spinks. Spinks makes most people look bad. Winky is the same.

he's a good fighter that genuinely wants to fight good competition. He took on Ouma for a fucking tuneup for fucks sake.

I gotta agree with Mr. Boogie here. You can certainly criticize JT for his performance against Spinks, but hating him and calling him a "blight on boxing" is crazy.

[compukiller]

These guys are fuckin sad examples of boxing fans. If they hate HBO so much they should STOP WATCHING them.

Maybe if Taylor bitch slapped a women or made a shitty rapo song they would like him more...:-(

Did you stop watching TOP RANK promoted fights when Margo didn't get his big fight? Or did you boycott HBO when they continued to showcase PBF fights, while he was "ducking" Margo?????:huh

[sues2nd]

These guys are fuckin sad examples of boxing fans. If they hate HBO so much they should STOP WATCHING them.

Maybe if Taylor bitch slapped a women or made a shitty rapo song they would like him more...:-(

Great point.

Its sad. If your a fan of boxing, how could you not like a champion that actually ACTS like a champion.

He has fought nothing but former champions in his last 6 fights and gets blasted for it. I mean the guy fought Ouma as a TUNE UP for gawd sakes.......

[compukiller]

I gotta agree with Mr. Boogie here. You can certainly criticize JT for his performance against Spinks, but hating him and calling him a "blight on boxing" is crazy.

When I call him a blight, I mean his current circumstances and piss poor performances, not the man himself.

It's more the illusion of Jermain taylor, which has still blinded many.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Great point.

Its sad. If your a fan of boxing, how could you not like a champion that actually ACTS like a champion.

He has fought nothing but former champions in his last 6 fights and gets blasted for it. I mean the guy fought Ouma as a TUNE UP for gawd sakes.......


They will cuss and say how much they hate HBO, but keep putting money into their network and buying PPV's from them. Grow a fuckin pair I say...:deal

[compukiller]

Wow, this thread is really starting to heat up. :lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

When I call him a blight, I mean his current circumstances and piss poor performances, not the man himself.

It's more the illusion of Jermain taylor, which has still blinded many.

Blinded many? Like who? Look around here, HOW MANY POSTERS call Taylor some ATG MW? Like....NONE? How many threads on his greatness? How many posts on how he'd beat Hagler? Zero? HBO's hype job must not work that great huh if no one on a message board full of fanboys is even buying it. If anyone is blinded, it's fans like you.

[sues2nd]

When I call him a blight, I mean his current circumstances and piss poor performances, not the man himself.

It's more the illusion of Jermain taylor, which has still blinded many.

But piss poor performances vs who? Spinks? Everyone looks bad against Spinks, he is a defensive southpaw. Wright? He is one of the best defensive fighters of this era...UNARGUABLY!!! Hopkins? He is arguably the BEST fighter of this era (again arguably...)!!! Ouma? The guy is a former champ who fights EVERYONE tough!!!

Pisspoor performances from him? Then what do you call the performances of the other guys? Piss Poorerer?????

:huh

[Lance_Uppercut]

But piss poor performances vs who? Spinks? Everyone looks bad against Spinks, he is a defensive southpaw. Wright? He is one of the best defensive fighters of this era...UNARGUABLY!!! Hopkins? He is arguably the BEST fighter of this era (again arguably...)!!! Ouma? The guy is a former champ who fights EVERYONE tough!!!

Pisspoor performances from him? Then what do you call the performances of the other guys? Piss Poorerer?????

:huh
If Taylor looks good against lesser opponents, he's padding. If he looks bad in WINNING against top fighters, some P4P, he's piss poor. Go figure.. :roll:

[compukiller]

But piss poor performances vs who? Spinks? Everyone looks bad against Spinks, he is a defensive southpaw. Wright? He is one of the best defensive fighters of this era...UNARGUABLY!!! Hopkins? He is arguably the BEST fighter of this era (again arguably...)!!! Ouma? The guy is a former champ who fights EVERYONE tough!!!

Pisspoor performances from him? Then what do you call the performances of the other guys? Piss Poorerer?????

:huh

No because those guys beat him (not counting Ouma). And Spinks is not unbeatable. He was laid low by Zab, and has had some major chin issues.

Where is JT's vaunted power??:think

[compukiller]

If Taylor looks good against lesser opponents, he's padding. If he looks bad in WINNING against top fighters, some P4P, he's piss poor. Go figure.. :roll:

In his past several fights, he's looked just plain bad. Did you not hear Steward yelling at Taylor during the Spinks fiasco?

[compukiller]

Blinded many? Like who? Look around here, HOW MANY POSTERS call Taylor some ATG MW? Like....NONE? How many threads on his greatness? How many posts on how he'd beat Hagler? Zero? HBO's hype job must not work that great huh if no one on a message board full of fanboys is even buying it. If anyone is blinded, it's fans like you.

LIKE YOU!!!!!!:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

LIKE YOU!!!!!!:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal :deal
How am I blinded? Can you even answer that? Or was that just your childish retort? I don't consider Taylor the best ever, nor do I buy the shit HBO says. So, who are all these people you said are blinded again?

[Lance_Uppercut]

No because those guys beat him (not counting Ouma). And Spinks is not unbeatable. He was laid low by Zab, and has had some major chin issues.

Where is JT's vaunted power??:think

Oh they all beat him? And of course, Mr. "I hope Taylor loses to teach him a lesson" is in no way making a statement out of personal hatred. Oh wait, you said you didn't hate him. You just want him to get knocked out to teach HBO a lesson...pathetic...:patsch

[compukiller]

How am I blinded? Can you even answer that? Or was that just your childish retort? I don't consider Taylor the best ever, nor do I buy the shit HBO says. So, who are all these people you said are blinded again?

You are blind because you have continued to claim that I hate JT, when I have said on several occasions (including the opening post of this thread) that I do not hate him personally.

You either blind, or you just can't read.


Or you're drunk, like me:D

[compukiller]

Oh they all beat him? And of course, Mr. "I hope Taylor loses to teach him a lesson" is in no way making a statement out of personal hatred. Oh wait, you said you didn't hate him. You just want him to get knocked out to teach HBO a lesson...pathetic...:patsch

Is there something wrong with teaching HBO a lesson? If he loses, it derails thier hype train, and all the money spent hyping him, and buying off those judges. This will make them much more tentative in developing a new hype train.

It will also show him that he cannot continue to fight like he has been and consider himself an elite fighter.

It works for everyone involved. :deal

[Mrboogie23]

good posts from sues2nd and lance. People bitch when other so called champs dont fight the best people available to them. Taylor always does, never complains and gives us the fights we want. Hell even in the draw with winky he said immediately after the fight that he would fight Wright again. Winky is the one that bitched out of that.

Period.

Taylor deserves respect. Like sues2nd said, name me 3 other fighters that have a resume like he does in their past 6 fights. hell, I'll make it easier name me 2 champions that have a resume like his in their past 6 fights.

[compukiller]

good posts from sues2nd and lance.


People bitch when other so called champs dont fight the best people available to them. Taylor always does, never complains and gives us the fights we want.

Hell even in the draw with winky he said immediately after the fight that he would fight Wright again. Winky is the one that bitched out of that.

Period.

Taylor deserves respect. Like sues2nd said, name me 3 other fighters that have a resume like he does in their past 6 fights. hell, I'll make it easier name me 2 champions that have a resume like his in their past 6 fights.

Pac, BHOP, DLH, Vazquez. But I agree, I never said JT was scared of anyone.

His handlers, on the other hand.....

[Piffer]

Hoping that a fighter gets knocked the fuck out in his next fight is fine by me. But whomever says that Jermain Taylor, one of the few lineal world champions in modern times, is a blight to boxing truly chooses to gaze away from things much worse in the boxing world. Such as four world champions per division. Whose the real champ in each weight class? Most boxing fans know who these fighters are. But most other people don't. True fans know that some divisions, like heavyweight, don't even have a true champion.

And there are far better examples of robbery than any Taylor fight you can name. Burton/Augustus, Toney/Peter I, and De La Hoya/Sturm would be better examples of insane judging.

[Scar]

Pac, BHOP, DLH, Vazquez. But I agree, I never said JT was scared of anyone.

His handlers, on the other hand.....

His handlers aren't scared. If they're scared they wouldn't have put him against Hopkins when he was TOO new for a fight like that anyway, not just once but TWICE and right after it came Winky Wright. Yes, he did have 2 easy fights after 3 extremely difficult ones that but who doesn't?
Now he's set to fight an extremely tough challenger so either appreciate to have a champion who is very active and only seeks the best or beg for him to lose and when he does beg for someone like him to appear.

[compukiller]

His handlers aren't scared. If they're scared they wouldn't have put him against Hopkins when he was TOO new for a fight like that anyway, not just once but TWICE and right after it came Winky Wright. Yes, he did have 2 easy fights after 3 extremely difficult ones that but who doesn't?
Now he's set to fight an extremely tough challenger so either appreciate to have a champion who is very active and only seeks the best or beg for him to lose and when he does beg for someone like him to appear.

If they were not scared, the fights with ouma and Spinks would never happened

[Scar]

If they were not scared, the fights with ouma and Spinks would never happened

I knew you would've mentioned those 2 fights but did you even read my post?
Two easy fights after 3 extremely difficult ones, especially for a NEW fighter, is totally normal. He fights 3 tough fighters, takes 2 easy ones and now is set to fight another tough fighter, how is that unfair?
You want them to keep putting him against tough fighters over and over and he'll end up ruined, all fighters take easy fights here and there, if you know boxing you'll know that by now.

[compukiller]

I knew you would've mentioned those 2 fights but did you even read my post?
Two easy fights after 3 extremely difficult ones, especially for a NEW fighter, is totally normal. He fights 3 tough fighters, takes 2 easy ones and now is set to fight another tough fighter, how is that unfair?
You want them to keep putting him against tough fighters over and over and he'll end up ruined, all fighters take easy fights here and there, if you know boxing you'll know that by now.


I just expected him to win convincingly. Not struggle badly.

[Scar]

I just expected him to win convincingly. Not struggle badly.

Oh, cool. Then if they are scared why put him against opponents he could struggle against?

[compukiller]

Oh, cool. Then if they are scared why put him against opponents he could struggle against?

I don't think they realized he would have that much trouble. Nobody else did. :-(

[Scar]

I don't think they realized he would have that much trouble. Nobody else did. :-(

That's because nobody else knows what they're talking about. They see that those fighters are coming up in weight and they assume it's going to be easy and totally forgetting that those guys actually have different styles and can give anyone trouble.

[compukiller]

That's because nobody else knows what they're talking about. They see that those fighters are coming up in weight and they assume it's going to be easy and totally forgetting that those guys actually have different styles and can give anyone trouble.

Karmazin and Zab Judah sure seemed to know that to do with them....

[boxeo#1]

And, no I do not mean Jermaine Jackson:fire


Taylor has been a blight in boxing for quite sometime now. His reign as the most Disputed Undisputed champ in recent history is a testament to the corruption of the boxing establishment.

He was given not 1, but 2 gifts against Hopkins, was saved by a laughable draw against Winky, and IMO cleanly outboxed by Cory Spinks.

That's right, Cory "welterweight" Spinks. :deal


The sad thing is, Taylor is a young fighter who once, it seems like decades ago, showed some shadings of promise. But he was avaerage at best, and beating up on small and old 154 pounders will make anyone look like a beast.

He seems like a nice enough guy, and he certainly is not lacking in heart. But I believe if Taylor will ever improve, the illusion of Jermaine Taylor, middle weight savior, must be totally destroyed.

HBO and Lou Dibella cannot continue carrying him. The broadcasters at HBO show an unatural love for this man, so much so that they have to tear down older, better and more successful fighters (Bhop, Winky) just to make him not look like the average fighter he is. Lou Dibella has desperately tried to get an opponent that he can strarch, but Jermaine can't pull the trigger anymore. He has fought lately at not too much above a journeyman level of performance. He looked like an absolute bum against Spinks. SPINKS!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I believe Hopkins exposed Taylor as a hype job in his two fights with him. No matter what those damn HBO bought judges wrote on the cards, JT was beaten, physcially, but especially mentally. BHOP took something from Jermaine in those fights. He made Jermaine doubt himself very deeply.

A spirited effort against Winky cannot hide the fact that Wright, the smaller man, stood RIGHT IN FRONT of JT and not only outboxed him, but actually whipped his ass. Backing him up, and punishing him with clean power punching.

But another HBO gift saved the day for young Taylor. His rightfully won his fight with Ouma, but looked less than stellar as he could never even drop the much, much smaller man.

Manny Steward, a great trainer according to anyone who is a rational thinking fan, has done nothing with him. Manny has been on his job though, begging BHOP and Winky to retire live on HBO, so that JT will never have to face them again as JT moves up in weight. But even Steward lost his cool with Taylor's awful performance against Spinks. His yelling at Jermaine on live TV was an HBO 2007 highlight.

For the good of boxing, the good of the fans, and for Jermaine Taylor himself, this charade must come to an end. Jermaine needs to be taught a brutal lesson. He needs to be checked. He needs to be scared straight.


He Needs to be KTFO!!!!:deal :yep :good

So actually everybody is hating on Taylor, but the judges were the ones who scored all those fights in favor of him.. so actually we should hate the judges.. it's not taylor's fault.. instead the majority is hating HIM. I am not a fan of taylor but this isn't fair

[fists of fury]

Taylor is a fighter who ducks nobody and fights the best available competition. That's a champion folks.

[thewoo]

This Hate for JT is crazy. Lets see how people feel about him after the Pavlik fight :yep

They'll just keep on hating. If he KO's him they will say that Pavlik wasn't nobody anyway and if he decisions him they will cry robbery.

[nervousxtian]

You say you don't hate JT, but reading your posts I come to another conclusion.

[mikeyc]

Taylor is a fighter who ducks nobody and fights the best available competition. That's a champion folks.

Taylor was ready for a title shot and "Beat" an old champ in B-Hop. He was given a re-match just like every champ has in his contract if he loses. He draws (terrible decision) w/ a good boxer in Wright. His last two fights were an injustice for the Middleweight champ of the world. Kassim Ouma was supposed to be an "easy" fight in Little Rock for JT to reward his home fans. That didn't turn out the way he had hoped. Spinks, why take that fight? Spinks was on nobodies radar in the Middleweight division. JT and his people were hoping to draw a crowd w/ the backyard rivalry. They drew alright-FLIES!! Taylor backed himself into a corner w/ all the talk @ the Spinks press conference. This time the reign will come to an end "and the ne Middleweight CHAMP!!!"

[jsimps]

Taylor was ready for a title shot and "Beat" an old champ in B-Hop. He was given a re-match just like every champ has in his contract if he loses. He draws (terrible decision) w/ a good boxer in Wright. His last two fights were an injustice for the Middleweight champ of the world. Kassim Ouma was supposed to be an "easy" fight in Little Rock for JT to reward his home fans. That didn't turn out the way he had hoped. Spinks, why take that fight? Spinks was on nobodies radar in the Middleweight division. JT and his people were hoping to draw a crowd w/ the backyard rivalry. They drew alright-FLIES!! Taylor backed himself into a corner w/ all the talk @ the Spinks press conference. This time the reign will come to an end "and the ne Middleweight CHAMP!!!"

Well said...

[TroubleLurks]

He draws (terrible decision) w/ a good boxer in Wright.

"Terrible decision"? How so? Do you think JT won or Winky? That fight was the definition of a draw IMO.

[TroubleLurks]

I thought so too, but Winky could have done more to win that fight, but he's too much of a complacent fighter to take full advantage of all the opportunities Taylor presented him with.

Although I though Taylor cleary lost the first B-Hop fight.I agree. If Winky would have fought and won the 12th...I can see no reason not to give it to Winky... but he didn't . I thought that fight was a clear draw. I've only seen the first Taylor-Hopkins fight once and that was a long time ago so I would have to see it again...but I won't.:bart :tong

[sues2nd]

Taylor was ready for a title shot and "Beat" an old champ in B-Hop. He was given a re-match just like every champ has in his contract if he loses. He draws (terrible decision) w/ a good boxer in Wright. His last two fights were an injustice for the Middleweight champ of the world. Kassim Ouma was supposed to be an "easy" fight in Little Rock for JT to reward his home fans. That didn't turn out the way he had hoped. Spinks, why take that fight? Spinks was on nobodies radar in the Middleweight division. JT and his people were hoping to draw a crowd w/ the backyard rivalry. They drew alright-FLIES!! Taylor backed himself into a corner w/ all the talk @ the Spinks press conference. This time the reign will come to an end "and the ne Middleweight CHAMP!!!"

Someone just called this a great post....I tend to disagree. Lets break this down a bit, shall we....

Taylor was ready for a title shot and "Beat" an old champ in B-Hop.

No, he beat the number 1 p4p fighter in the world. Yes Hop is old, but he is a fucking superhero the way he continues to defy age.

Now did he win this fight...I dont think Taylor did....but I will concede that it was close. You would have to be an idiot to not think so. So, he fought the NUMBER 1 P4P fighter in the world tough...something noone had done for over a decade. Pretty good if ya ask me.

He was given a re-match just like every champ has in his contract if he loses.

Another fight I feel wasnt a win...I actually had it a draw, but the fact remains, he fought a future HOFer tough. Tough enough that this and its preceding fight are still debated to this day.

And keep in mind, noone had fought Hop this tough for YEARS!!!

Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.

He draws (terrible decision) w/ a good boxer in Wright.

A terrible decision in whos eyes? Yours? I had it a draw. It was a great fight, one that could have went either way. And remember, he wanted an immediate rematch, Winky backed out to fight Ike Quartey instead....

:huh

Plus, Winky was another top 5 p4p fighter in the world at this point. Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.

His last two fights were an injustice for the Middleweight champ of the world. Kassim Ouma was supposed to be an "easy" fight in Little Rock for JT to reward his home fans. That didn't turn out the way he had hoped.

Ouma is an easy fight for WHO??? Why because he is smaller? Ouma is a former champion and an incredibly busy fighter. His output is ridiculous....he is the type of fighter your NOT supposed to walk through....and what happened in this fight?

It was pretty much a shutout! He handled Ouma better than most have. Dont forget, Ouma is a former champ and a hell of a fighter.

Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.

Spinks was on nobodies radar in the Middleweight division. JT and his people were hoping to draw a crowd w/ the backyard rivalry. They drew alright-FLIES!! Taylor backed himself into a corner w/ all the talk @ the Spinks press conference.

Spinks is a former undisputed champion and a DEFENSIVE SOUTHPAW! As a boxing fan, do you understand that MOST fighters will look bad vs a defensive minded southpaw?

As for all the talk in the press conference.....did you just start to watch boxing? Its called prefight hype. Its what, as a fighter, you are SUPPOSED TO DO!!! It happens all of the time.

This time the reign will come to an end "and the ne Middleweight CHAMP!!!"

We will see, honestly. I have zero problems with people picking Pavlik...he is a good fighter. But he is a good pressure fighter. He will make Taylor fight....and what is the best weapon vs a good pressure fighter? A great jab...........and WHO just happens to have a great jab?

Jermaine Taylor...thats who.

Taylor will win this one UD. And I hope then the bs stops.

All I have to say is this....Joppy, Hop, Hop, Wright, Ouma, Spinks and now Pavlik....there arent 5 fighters active right now that can claim a past 6 fights like that.

:hi:

[TroubleLurks]

^^^
owned

now that was a good post.:good

[sues2nd]

^^^
owned

now that was a good post.:good

:good

I try...thanks....:D

[Mrboogie23]

Someone just called this a great post....I tend to disagree. Lets break this down a bit, shall we....



No, he beat the number 1 p4p fighter in the world. Yes Hop is old, but he is a fucking superhero the way he continues to defy age.

Now did he win this fight...I dont think Taylor did....but I will concede that it was close. You would have to be an idiot to not think so. So, he fought the NUMBER 1 P4P fighter in the world tough...something noone had done for over a decade. Pretty good if ya ask me.



Another fight I feel wasnt a win...I actually had it a draw, but the fact remains, he fought a future HOFer tough. Tough enough that this and its preceding fight are still debated to this day.

And keep in mind, noone had fought Hop this tough for YEARS!!!

Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.



A terrible decision in whos eyes? Yours? I had it a draw. It was a great fight, one that could have went either way. And remember, he wanted an immediate rematch, Winky backed out to fight Ike Quartey instead....

:huh

Plus, Winky was another top 5 p4p fighter in the world at this point. Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.



Ouma is an easy fight for WHO??? Why because he is smaller? Ouma is a former champion and an incredibly busy fighter. His output is ridiculous....he is the type of fighter your NOT supposed to walk through....and what happened in this fight?

It was pretty much a shutout! He handled Ouma better than most have. Dont forget, Ouma is a former champ and a hell of a fighter.

Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.



Spinks is a former undisputed champion and a DEFENSIVE SOUTHPAW! As a boxing fan, do you understand that MOST fighters will look bad vs a defensive minded southpaw?

As for all the talk in the press conference.....did you just start to watch boxing? Its called prefight hype. Its what, as a fighter, you are SUPPOSED TO DO!!! It happens all of the time.



We will see, honestly. I have zero problems with people picking Pavlik...he is a good fighter. But he is a good pressure fighter. He will make Taylor fight....and what is the best weapon vs a good pressure fighter? A great jab...........and WHO just happens to have a great jab?

Jermaine Taylor...thats who.

Taylor will win this one UD. And I hope then the bs stops.

All I have to say is this....Joppy, Hop, Hop, Wright, Ouma, Spinks and now Pavlik....there arent 5 fighters active right now that can claim a past 6 fights like that.

:hi:


absolutely great fucking post. You just shut down the thread.

[Thor]

Someone just called this a great post....I tend to disagree. Lets break this down a bit, shall we....



No, he beat the number 1 p4p fighter in the world. Yes Hop is old, but he is a fucking superhero the way he continues to defy age.

Now did he win this fight...I dont think Taylor did....but I will concede that it was close. You would have to be an idiot to not think so. So, he fought the NUMBER 1 P4P fighter in the world tough...something noone had done for over a decade. Pretty good if ya ask me.



Another fight I feel wasnt a win...I actually had it a draw, but the fact remains, he fought a future HOFer tough. Tough enough that this and its preceding fight are still debated to this day.

And keep in mind, noone had fought Hop this tough for YEARS!!!

Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.



A terrible decision in whos eyes? Yours? I had it a draw. It was a great fight, one that could have went either way. And remember, he wanted an immediate rematch, Winky backed out to fight Ike Quartey instead....

:huh

Plus, Winky was another top 5 p4p fighter in the world at this point. Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.



Ouma is an easy fight for WHO??? Why because he is smaller? Ouma is a former champion and an incredibly busy fighter. His output is ridiculous....he is the type of fighter your NOT supposed to walk through....and what happened in this fight?

It was pretty much a shutout! He handled Ouma better than most have. Dont forget, Ouma is a former champ and a hell of a fighter.

Again, pretty damn good if ya ask me.



Spinks is a former undisputed champion and a DEFENSIVE SOUTHPAW! As a boxing fan, do you understand that MOST fighters will look bad vs a defensive minded southpaw?

As for all the talk in the press conference.....did you just start to watch boxing? Its called prefight hype. Its what, as a fighter, you are SUPPOSED TO DO!!! It happens all of the time.



We will see, honestly. I have zero problems with people picking Pavlik...he is a good fighter. But he is a good pressure fighter. He will make Taylor fight....and what is the best weapon vs a good pressure fighter? A great jab...........and WHO just happens to have a great jab?

Jermaine Taylor...thats who.

Taylor will win this one UD. And I hope then the bs stops.

All I have to say is this....Joppy, Hop, Hop, Wright, Ouma, Spinks and now Pavlik....there arent 5 fighters active right now that can claim a past 6 fights like that.

:hi:

1000% agree with this post. Kudos good sir.

[Zakman]

And, no I do not mean Jermaine Jackson:fire

Taylor has been a blight in boxing for quite sometime now. His reign as the most Disputed Undisputed champ in recent history is a testament to the corruption of the boxing establishment.

He was given not 1, but 2 gifts against Hopkins, was saved by a laughable draw against Winky, and IMO cleanly outboxed by Cory Spinks.
That's right, Cory "welterweight" Spinks. :deal

The sad thing is, Taylor is a young fighter who once, it seems like decades ago, showed some shadings of promise. But he was avaerage at best, and beating up on small and old 154 pounders will make anyone look like a beast.

He seems like a nice enough guy, and he certainly is not lacking in heart. But I believe if Taylor will ever improve, the illusion of Jermaine Taylor, middle weight savior, must be totally destroyed.

HBO and Lou Dibella cannot continue carrying him. The broadcasters at HBO show an unatural love for this man, so much so that they have to tear down older, better and more successful fighters (Bhop, Winky) just to make him not look like the average fighter he is. Lou Dibella has desperately tried to get an opponent that he can strarch, but Jermaine can't pull the trigger anymore. He has fought lately at not too much above a journeyman level of performance. He looked like an absolute bum against Spinks. SPINKS!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I believe Hopkins exposed Taylor as a hype job in his two fights with him. No matter what those damn HBO bought judges wrote on the cards, JT was beaten, physcially, but especially mentally. BHOP took something from Jermaine in those fights. He made Jermaine doubt himself very deeply.

A spirited effort against Winky cannot hide the fact that Wright, the smaller man, stood RIGHT IN FRONT of JT and not only outboxed him, but actually whipped his ass. Backing him up, and punishing him with clean power punching.

But another HBO gift saved the day for young Taylor. His rightfully won his fight with Ouma, but looked less than stellar as he could never even drop the much, much smaller man.

Manny Steward, a great trainer according to anyone who is a rational thinking fan, has done nothing with him. Manny has been on his job though, begging BHOP and Winky to retire live on HBO, so that JT will never have to face them again as JT moves up in weight. But even Steward lost his cool with Taylor's awful performance against Spinks. His yelling at Jermaine on live TV was an HBO 2007 highlight.

For the good of boxing, the good of the fans, and for Jermaine Taylor himself, this charade must come to an end. Jermaine needs to be taught a brutal lesson. He needs to be checked. He needs to be scared straight.
He Needs to be KTFO!!!!:deal :yep :good

Amen. I couldn't agree more. Taylor is a FRAUD who has been pushed by HBO and "won" virtually every fight he's had at the world class level by bogus GIFT DECISIONS. The rest have been against smaller fighters who were overmatched.

The sooner he gets knocked out and exposed for the hype job he is, the better for boxing.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Amen. I couldn't agree more. Taylor is a FRAUD who has been pushed by HBO and won virtually every fight he's had at the world class level by bogus GIFT DECISIONS.

The sooner he gets knocked out and exposed for the hype job he is, the better for boxing.

It sound like HBO is the problem, not Taylor. ISn't that more the truth Zak? Why not BOYCOTT HBO for overhyping undeserving fighters?:deal

Taylor's done nothing but fight top guys and be a respectful champ and one of the VERY FEW guys in this sport people can look up to.

[Zakman]

It sound like HBO is the problem, not Taylor. ISn't that more the truth Zak? Why not BOYCOTT HBO for overhyping undeserving fighters?:deal

Taylor's done nothing but fight top guys and be a respectful champ and one of the VERY FEW guys in this sport people can look up to.
Well, you're right about that - Taylor per se isn't the problem, and yeah he seems like a nice guy. But this machine that took Hopkins' title unjustly, and then gave Taylor two more gifts has just gotta be stopped. And unfortunately, that means that Taylor has to suffer.

I don't really blame him - but these injustices are just SO maddening. And Taylor, unfortunately for him, is the latest symbol of boxing corruption. Luckily for us, he has to take this mandatory against Pavlik. Pavlik is, imo, the real deal, and I really do believe he will KO Taylor, and quite brutally, in fact.

[psychopath]

And, no I do not mean Jermaine Jackson:fire


Taylor has been a blight in boxing for quite sometime now. His reign as the most Disputed Undisputed champ in recent history is a testament to the corruption of the boxing establishment.

He was given not 1, but 2 gifts against Hopkins, was saved by a laughable draw against Winky, and IMO cleanly outboxed by Cory Spinks.

That's right, Cory "welterweight" Spinks. :deal


The sad thing is, Taylor is a young fighter who once, it seems like decades ago, showed some shadings of promise. But he was avaerage at best, and beating up on small and old 154 pounders will make anyone look like a beast.

He seems like a nice enough guy, and he certainly is not lacking in heart. But I believe if Taylor will ever improve, the illusion of Jermaine Taylor, middle weight savior, must be totally destroyed.

HBO and Lou Dibella cannot continue carrying him. The broadcasters at HBO show an unatural love for this man, so much so that they have to tear down older, better and more successful fighters (Bhop, Winky) just to make him not look like the average fighter he is. Lou Dibella has desperately tried to get an opponent that he can strarch, but Jermaine can't pull the trigger anymore. He has fought lately at not too much above a journeyman level of performance. He looked like an absolute bum against Spinks. SPINKS!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I believe Hopkins exposed Taylor as a hype job in his two fights with him. No matter what those damn HBO bought judges wrote on the cards, JT was beaten, physcially, but especially mentally. BHOP took something from Jermaine in those fights. He made Jermaine doubt himself very deeply.

A spirited effort against Winky cannot hide the fact that Wright, the smaller man, stood RIGHT IN FRONT of JT and not only outboxed him, but actually whipped his ass. Backing him up, and punishing him with clean power punching.

But another HBO gift saved the day for young Taylor. His rightfully won his fight with Ouma, but looked less than stellar as he could never even drop the much, much smaller man.

Manny Steward, a great trainer according to anyone who is a rational thinking fan, has done nothing with him. Manny has been on his job though, begging BHOP and Winky to retire live on HBO, so that JT will never have to face them again as JT moves up in weight. But even Steward lost his cool with Taylor's awful performance against Spinks. His yelling at Jermaine on live TV was an HBO 2007 highlight.

For the good of boxing, the good of the fans, and for Jermaine Taylor himself, this charade must come to an end. Jermaine needs to be taught a brutal lesson. He needs to be checked. He needs to be scared straight.


He Needs to be KTFO!!!!:deal :yep :good

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gift decissionS?

You're pathetic whinning isn't worth anything not unless he loses . . . so wait til he does.

:yep :good :hi:

[compukiller]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gift decissionS?

You're pathetic whinning isn't worth anything not unless he loses . . . so wait til he does.

:yep :good :hi:



Taylor???? Lose????


Not if HBO has anything to say about it. :deal

Pavlik will have to KO Taylor to get a draw. :yep :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

Taylor???? Lose????


Not if HBO has anything to say about it. :deal

Pavlik will have to KO Taylor to get a draw. :yep :good

Boycott HBO if they are so terrible...:deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

Well, you're right about that - Taylor per se isn't the problem, and yeah he seems like a nice guy. But this machine that took Hopkins' title unjustly, and then gave Taylor two more gifts has just gotta be stopped. And unfortunately, that means that Taylor has to suffer.

I don't really blame him - but these injustices are just SO maddening. And Taylor, unfortunately for him, is the latest symbol of boxing corruption. Luckily for us, he has to take this mandatory against Pavlik. Pavlik is, imo, the real deal, and I really do believe he will KO Taylor, and quite brutally, in fact.

The real deal...by KOing a bunch no names and Edison Miranda....while Taylor is a hype job, despite practically fighting Hops (x2) and Winky to a standstill? :huh


If you think this is the latest symbol of corruption, quit putting your money into a corrupt org like HBO. Cancel your subscription and STOP watching it or buying their PPV's. Put your money where your mouth is.

[psychopath]

Taylor???? Lose????


Not if HBO has anything to say about it. :deal

Pavlik will have to KO Taylor to get a draw. :yep :good

I'm sorry buddy . . . it's either you're a down to earth moron, or you really don't know shit or your hatred for Taylor made you lose your better judgement. Now which is which?:yep

HBO doesn't have anything to do with the selection of judges . . . it's the boxing governing bodies. :D And so . . . your pathetic whinning still ends up in the trash.

Live by it dude . . . by the way that sounds like more of an early excuse for PAVLIK.
:hi: :good

[theHawtness]

jermain is my hero. :conf

[mikeyc]

:good

I try...thanks....:D

Not quit sure where u are going w/ this. Thought BHop won the first fight, guess there shouldn't have been a re-match? Winky draw (I thouht Wink won) The Middleweight champ fights 2 147-154 lbs. I don't care how "slick" or tough they are-THEY AREN'T THREATS!!!!!!!!! He will be fighting a true Threat to his tiltle. Fighting a bigger man, bigger puncher and hungrier fighter. I've been in boxing for 25 years, so I know what Hype is. Problem is, it wasn't hype it was his true feelings! So be careful what you wish for JT!!!!

[Fab2333]

I understand some of the flack the guy catches but to hate him is ridiculous.

His competition is much tougher then MOST champions today. He doesnt back down from a challenge. Yes, some of his fights have been ugly, but he doesnt have the speed required to look great against someone like cory spinks. Spinks makes most people look bad. Winky is the same.

he's a good fighter that genuinely wants to fight good competition. He took on Ouma for a fucking tuneup for fucks sake.:deal:thumbsup

[Zakman]

HBO doesn't have anything to do with the selection of judges . . . it's the boxing governing bodies. :D
HBO doesn't select judges, sure, but if you don't think they have substantial influence over the sanction orgs, officials, and the sport in general - you are shockingly naive. :nod

And the proof is in the pudding. Taylor was HBOs new darling, they were pushing him hard after he came out of the amateurs. And then he gets three gift decisions in a row against fighters who were not exactly popular with the boxing establishment. Hmmmm....rather suspicious, I must say.

Pavlik is the first REAL middleweight he's fought since Hopkins, who had him badly rocked. Pavlik is gonna destroy HBOs hype job, and even the HBO suits won't be able to get Taylor a gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas.:yep

[jsimps]

The doubt about JT is real. Spinks, 31% KO ratio. Ouma, 60%. Ouma loses to Roman Karmazin, who put him on the canvas, twice. Taylor, is supposed to be a big, quick MW? Cut off the ring, and move forward. Their power should not factor into the equation.

[Mrboogie23]

The doubt about JT is real. Spinks, 31% KO ratio. Ouma, 60%. Ouma loses to Roman Karmazin, who put him on the canvas, twice. Taylor, is supposed to be a big, quick MW? Cut off the ring, and move forward. Their power should not factor into the equation.


what the fuck does spinks' and ouma's ko percentages have to do with anything. dumb point.

[Boinko]

HBO doesn't select judges, sure, but if you don't think they have substantial influence over the sanction orgs, officials, and the sport in general - you are shockingly naive. :nod

And the proof is in the pudding. Taylor was HBOs new darling, they were pushing him hard after he came out of the amateurs. And then he gets three gift decisions in a row against fighters who were not exactly popular with the boxing establishment. Hmmmm....rather suspicious, I must say.
:yep

Do have any actual proof to back up these suspicions?

[Lacyace]

The doubt about JT is real. Spinks, 31% KO ratio. Ouma, 60%. Ouma loses to Roman Karmazin, who put him on the canvas, twice. Taylor, is supposed to be a big, quick MW? Cut off the ring, and move forward. Their power should not factor into the equation.

How many boxers were able to cut off the ring against Spinks? It is not easy at all.

[mikeyc]

How many boxers were able to cut off the ring against Spinks? It is not easy at all.

He has 4 losses, so I'm guessing somebody was able to do it (JUDAH)! 11 KO's in 40 fights and he's a middleweight contender-that's a JOKE!!!

[sues2nd]

Not quit sure where u are going w/ this. Thought BHop won the first fight, guess there shouldn't have been a re-match? Winky draw (I thouht Wink won) The Middleweight champ fights 2 147-154 lbs. I don't care how "slick" or tough they are-THEY AREN'T THREATS!!!!!!!!! He will be fighting a true Threat to his tiltle. Fighting a bigger man, bigger puncher and hungrier fighter. I've been in boxing for 25 years, so I know what Hype is. Problem is, it wasn't hype it was his true feelings! So be careful what you wish for JT!!!!

You really shouldnt attempt to argue with people that know more than you....because AGAIN!!! You make a post ripe with insanity!!!

Here let me break it apart again...

Not quit sure where u are going w/ this. Thought BHop won the first fight, guess there shouldn't have been a re-match?

So because I THOUGHT Hop won, they shouldve just reversed the judges decisions, given Bernard his title back and cancelled the rematch? Gee, didnt realize I had that much influence??? SWEET!!! While Im at it, can I get Hagler his win vs SRL please?

:patsch

Winky draw (I thouht Wink won)

And I thought it was a draw...so what? Point is, it wasnt a bs decision...it was a close fight that went to the scorecards and came back as a draw. Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Winky? NO! Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Jermaine? NO! There were THAT MANY close rounds....the fight was THAT CLOSE!

It was not a clinic by Wright, nor did Taylor school him....calling this fight robbery is moronic. The draw of Chavez and Whitaker is a robbery of Sweet Pea...this one couldve went either way.

The Middleweight champ fights 2 147-154 lbs. I don't care how "slick" or tough they are-THEY AREN'T THREATS!!!!!!!!!

So was Hagler wrong for fighting Duran, Leonard & Hearns? All smaller fighters! Was Oscar wrong for taking on Floyd? Was Vazquez wrong for taking on Marquez? Or how about Tyson for taking on Holyfield? What about Tarver or taking on Hopkins? Hatton for taking on Castillo? I could go on and on all day with examples....this knock on Taylor is bullshit.

Fact is, Spinks and Ouma are very good fighters (you could even argue that Spinks is marginally great....former undisputed champ, wins vs Karmazin, Judah, Mayorga, etc. NOT BAD IF YA ASK ME!!). After taking on two of the top 3 or 4 fighters ALIVE in a row, the guy fights a former champion and tough SOB in Ouma as a tune up....then steps it up again vs Spinks.... I dont give a flying fuck how small or how hard these guys hit....they are good fighters. Too many times, "champions" take on scrubs just to pad records and stay busy...Taylor actually stayed busy vs two former champs and two DAMN good fighters...and you blast him for it.

Seriously, this is another thing thats wrong with the sport....hatred for fighters that dont deserve it.

He will be fighting a true Threat to his tiltle. Fighting a bigger man, bigger puncher and hungrier fighter.

I agree with ya here. He is now fighting the most dangerous guy in the division. So lets do a recap.

Joppy - Former Champ...first real test...shuts him out.
Hopkins - At the time the #1 p4p fighter in the world...wins a contriversial decision in a CLOSE FIGHT.
Hopkins - Read Above (but not #1 anymore...still top5).
Wright - Read Above (not #1, but top5).
Ouma - Fights a tune up vs a two time champion of the world...basically shuts him out...
Spinks - Former undisputed champion...looks bad vs this defensive lefty who EVERYONE looks bad vs....
Pavlik - Toughest fight to be made in the division...

So, I will ask you again...please name 5 fighters who have fought THAT level of competition in their last 6 or 7?

(Ill give ya a hint...ya cant...;) )

I've been in boxing for 25 years, so I know what Hype is.

And Ive been around the sport for about 20....so I know what an obvious bias is.

When you have so many champions ducking top competition...so many champions taking easy fights, ducking true competiton, screwing the fans....and then you have one that takes tough fights everytime (and even wanted an immediate rematch after the draw vs Winky), one that even his tune ups and keep busy fights are against former champs and good fighters....and somehow you find something wrong with that?

That my friend is an obvious bias.

Let me clue you in on something...Hopkins is BY FAR my favorite active fighter. I believe he won the first fight. I believe the second was a draw. BUT, since he has won the title, Taylor has acted like a champion....I cant help but respect the guy.

Most of these other "champions" could learn something from this man.

Now as for the Pavlik fight. Pavlik is big and powerful. He is a great volume puncher....but a sloppy one (for the record, I do like Pavlik...but his footwork and defense could use some serious work). BUT, Taylor is a big middleweight also (not as big, but Pavlik doesnt dwarf him either), with a GREAT JAB....something even you guys that dont like him cant argue. And since you have been around boxing for 25+ years...ask yourself whats the best weapon vs a swarming fighter?

A great jab....

Taylor wins by a clear UD!!!

And then yourself, compukiller, Zakman, Amsterdam and the rest of ya will call Pavlik a hype job and say Taylor is ducking Abraham or something...:nut

[Mrboogie23]

You really shouldnt attempt to argue with people that know more than you....because AGAIN!!! You make a post ripe with insanity!!!

Here let me break it apart again...



So because I THOUGHT Hop won, they shouldve just reversed the judges decisions, given Bernard his title back and cancelled the rematch? Gee, didnt realize I had that much influence??? SWEET!!! While Im at it, can I get Hagler his win vs SRL please?

:patsch



And I thought it was a draw...so what? Point is, it wasnt a bs decision...it was a close fight that went to the scorecards and came back as a draw. Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Winky? NO! Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Jermaine? NO! There were THAT MANY close rounds....the fight was THAT CLOSE!

It was not a clinic by Wright, nor did Taylor school him....calling this fight robbery is moronic. The draw of Chavez and Whitaker is a robbery of Sweet Pea...this one couldve went either way.



So was Hagler wrong for fighting Duran, Leonard & Hearns? All smaller fighters! Was Oscar wrong for taking on Floyd? Was Vazquez wrong for taking on Marquez? Or how about Tyson for taking on Holyfield? What about Tarver or taking on Hopkins? Hatton for taking on Castillo? I could go on and on all day with examples....this knock on Taylor is bullshit.

Fact is, Spinks and Ouma are very good fighters (you could even argue that Spinks is marginally great....former undisputed champ, wins vs Karmazin, Judah, Mayorga, etc. NOT BAD IF YA ASK ME!!). After taking on two of the top 3 or 4 fighters ALIVE in a row, the guy fights a former champion and tough SOB in Ouma as a tune up....then steps it up again vs Spinks.... I dont give a flying fuck how small or how hard these guys hit....they are good fighters. Too many times, "champions" take on scrubs just to pad records and stay busy...Taylor actually stayed busy vs two former champs and two DAMN good fighters...and you blast him for it.

Seriously, this is another thing thats wrong with the sport....hatred for fighters that dont deserve it.



I agree with ya here. He is now fighting the most dangerous guy in the division. So lets do a recap.

Joppy - Former Champ...first real test...shuts him out.
Hopkins - At the time the #1 p4p fighter in the world...wins a contriversial decision in a CLOSE FIGHT.
Hopkins - Read Above (but not #1 anymore...still top5).
Wright - Read Above (not #1, but top5).
Ouma - Fights a tune up vs a two time champion of the world...basically shuts him out...
Spinks - Former undisputed champion...looks bad vs this defensive lefty who EVERYONE looks bad vs....
Pavlik - Toughest fight to be made in the division...

So, I will ask you again...please name 5 fighters who have fought THAT level of competition in their last 6 or 7?

(Ill give ya a hint...ya cant...;) )



And Ive been around the sport for about 20....so I know what an obvious bias is.

When you have so many champions ducking top competition...so many champions taking easy fights, ducking true competiton, screwing the fans....and then you have one that takes tough fights everytime (and even wanted an immediate rematch after the draw vs Winky), one that even his tune ups and keep busy fights are against former champs and good fighters....and somehow you find something wrong with that?

That my friend is an obvious bias.

Let me clue you in on something...Hopkins is BY FAR my favorite active fighter. I believe he won the first fight. I believe the second was a draw. BUT, since he has won the title, Taylor has acted like a champion....I cant help but respect the guy.

Most of these other "champions" could learn something from this man.

Now as for the Pavlik fight. Pavlik is big and powerful. He is a great volume puncher....but a sloppy one (for the record, I do like Pavlik...but his footwork and defense could use some serious work). BUT, Taylor is a big middleweight also (not as big, but Pavlik doesnt dwarf him either), with a GREAT JAB....something even you guys that dont like him cant argue. And since you have been around boxing for 25+ years...ask yourself whats the best weapon vs a swarming fighter?

A great jab....

Taylor wins by a clear UD!!!

And then yourself, compukiller, Zakman, Amsterdam and the rest of ya will call Pavlik a hype job and say Taylor is ducking Abraham or something...:nut



damn good post again sues2nd. :good

[jsimps]

what the fuck does spinks' and ouma's ko percentages have to do with anything. dumb point.

Their lack of power should have equaled Jermain's dominance.

[Mrboogie23]

Their lack of power should have equaled Jermain's dominance.


so I guess whitaker should have lost most of his fights. Same with pep etc.

dont be dumb, power doesnt mean everything. There are fighters that can still be good and not have power. Whitaker is an amazing fighter, pep was an amazing fighter. Think about what you're saying.

Spinks is a very good defensive southpaw that is a hard fight for anyone. Sure Judah KOed him but how many rounds did it take for Judah to figure him out?

And on top of that, Judah and Taylor have absolutely nothing in common. They are two totally different styles. Stop trying to discredit a man that doesnt deserve it.

[sues2nd]

Their lack of power should have equaled Jermain's dominance.

So then how did Pernell Whitaker dominate for so long?

You do realize people without power can be good, dont you???

-edit-

Ya beat me to it boogie!!! :lol:

[Amsterdam]

So then how did Pernell Whitaker dominate for so long?

You do realize people without power can be good, dont you???

-edit-

Ya beat me to it boogie!!! :lol:

It's not fair to compare one of the most brilliant tacticians and defensive fighters ever to Ouma or Spinks. Like I said, both Ouma or Spinks would get starched against big, hard hitting top level MW's, but they did not against Taylor and that is telling.

Ouma is especially nothing special in my opinion.

[sues2nd]

It's not fair to compare one of the most brilliant tacticians and defensive fighters ever to Ouma or Spinks. Like I said, both Ouma or Spinks would get starched against big, hard hitting top level MW's, but they did not against Taylor and that is telling.

Ouma is especially nothing special in my opinion.

Nor is it fair to discredit a fighter for lack of power.

:good

[Amsterdam]

Nor is it fair to discredit a fighter for lack of power.

:good

I've never done so, but the point made was specifically for Ouma, who bullies guys at 154 and is very very small at 160 with no power to even trouble a big MW and for the fact that he has no defence and is right there to be hit. It was PATHETIC for Taylor to be troubled by Ouma's pressure coming from that end when Ouma could make 147 and Taylor is basically a SMW.

Also, guys like Whitaker were not featherfisted like Ouma and Spinks, they were by no means punchers, but Spinks and Ouma can't crack an eggshell and are nowhere near P4P elite fighters at that.

[sues2nd]

I've never done so, but the point made was specifically for Ouma, who bullies guys at 154 and is very very small at 160 with no power to even trouble a big MW and for the fact that he has no defence and is right there to be hit. It was PATHETIC for Taylor to be troubled by Ouma's pressure coming from that end when Ouma could make 147 and Taylor is basically a SMW.

Also, guys like Whitaker were not featherfisted like Ouma and Spinks, they were by no means punchers, but Spinks and Ouma can't crack an eggshell and are nowhere near P4P elite fighters at that.

Noone said YOU discreditted either of them for the lack of power....it was the other guy.

As for the lack of power issue with Ouma. I dont think that really holds too much weight. Sure he doesnt have 1 punch KO power, but he has good sting on his punches and NOONE throws them in the volumes he does.

Spinks on the other hand couldnt KO my 15 month old daughter....but he is a great boxer and one of the better defensive fighters active right now. Im sorry, but I dont care who it was he fought, they wouldve looked bad. His style dictates it.

[Fab2333]

You really shouldnt attempt to argue with people that know more than you....because AGAIN!!! You make a post ripe with insanity!!!

Here let me break it apart again...



So because I THOUGHT Hop won, they shouldve just reversed the judges decisions, given Bernard his title back and cancelled the rematch? Gee, didnt realize I had that much influence??? SWEET!!! While Im at it, can I get Hagler his win vs SRL please?

:patsch



And I thought it was a draw...so what? Point is, it wasnt a bs decision...it was a close fight that went to the scorecards and came back as a draw. Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Winky? NO! Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Jermaine? NO! There were THAT MANY close rounds....the fight was THAT CLOSE!

It was not a clinic by Wright, nor did Taylor school him....calling this fight robbery is moronic. The draw of Chavez and Whitaker is a robbery of Sweet Pea...this one couldve went either way.



So was Hagler wrong for fighting Duran, Leonard & Hearns? All smaller fighters! Was Oscar wrong for taking on Floyd? Was Vazquez wrong for taking on Marquez? Or how about Tyson for taking on Holyfield? What about Tarver or taking on Hopkins? Hatton for taking on Castillo? I could go on and on all day with examples....this knock on Taylor is bullshit.

Fact is, Spinks and Ouma are very good fighters (you could even argue that Spinks is marginally great....former undisputed champ, wins vs Karmazin, Judah, Mayorga, etc. NOT BAD IF YA ASK ME!!). After taking on two of the top 3 or 4 fighters ALIVE in a row, the guy fights a former champion and tough SOB in Ouma as a tune up....then steps it up again vs Spinks.... I dont give a flying fuck how small or how hard these guys hit....they are good fighters. Too many times, "champions" take on scrubs just to pad records and stay busy...Taylor actually stayed busy vs two former champs and two DAMN good fighters...and you blast him for it.

Seriously, this is another thing thats wrong with the sport....hatred for fighters that dont deserve it.



I agree with ya here. He is now fighting the most dangerous guy in the division. So lets do a recap.

Joppy - Former Champ...first real test...shuts him out.
Hopkins - At the time the #1 p4p fighter in the world...wins a contriversial decision in a CLOSE FIGHT.
Hopkins - Read Above (but not #1 anymore...still top5).
Wright - Read Above (not #1, but top5).
Ouma - Fights a tune up vs a two time champion of the world...basically shuts him out...
Spinks - Former undisputed champion...looks bad vs this defensive lefty who EVERYONE looks bad vs....
Pavlik - Toughest fight to be made in the division...

So, I will ask you again...please name 5 fighters who have fought THAT level of competition in their last 6 or 7?

(Ill give ya a hint...ya cant...;) )



And Ive been around the sport for about 20....so I know what an obvious bias is.

When you have so many champions ducking top competition...so many champions taking easy fights, ducking true competiton, screwing the fans....and then you have one that takes tough fights everytime (and even wanted an immediate rematch after the draw vs Winky), one that even his tune ups and keep busy fights are against former champs and good fighters....and somehow you find something wrong with that?

That my friend is an obvious bias.

Let me clue you in on something...Hopkins is BY FAR my favorite active fighter. I believe he won the first fight. I believe the second was a draw. BUT, since he has won the title, Taylor has acted like a champion....I cant help but respect the guy.

Most of these other "champions" could learn something from this man.

Now as for the Pavlik fight. Pavlik is big and powerful. He is a great volume puncher....but a sloppy one (for the record, I do like Pavlik...but his footwork and defense could use some serious work). BUT, Taylor is a big middleweight also (not as big, but Pavlik doesnt dwarf him either), with a GREAT JAB....something even you guys that dont like him cant argue. And since you have been around boxing for 25+ years...ask yourself whats the best weapon vs a swarming fighter?

A great jab....

Taylor wins by a clear UD!!!

And then yourself, compukiller, Zakman, Amsterdam and the rest of ya will call Pavlik a hype job and say Taylor is ducking Abraham or something...:nut

i agree with you sues. I thought WInky won th fight, but I see wat u saying. But other than that. Damn good post dogs

[compukiller]

Noone said YOU discreditted either of them for the lack of power....it was the other guy.

As for the lack of power issue with Ouma. I dont think that really holds too much weight. Sure he doesnt have 1 punch KO power, but he has good sting on his punches and NOONE throws them in the volumes he does.

Spinks on the other hand couldnt KO my 15 month old daughter....but he is a great boxer and one of the better defensive fighters active right now. Im sorry, but I dont care who it was he fought, they wouldve looked bad. His style dictates it.

Since you believe in your daddy Jermain's ability, why not have an avatar bet??:think :D

[Mrboogie23]

Since you believe in your daddy Jermain's ability, why not have an avatar bet??:think :D


Why is it one of two extremes with you guys? Either its unwarranted hate, and if somebody doesnt have that then you automatically assume that someone is a sack swinger.

Is it so hard to beleive that someone can actually be an objective fan of boxing? Sues2nd is a very rational poster he is far from a "hugger." The guy knows his shit.

[compukiller]

Why is it one of two extremes with you guys? Either its unwarranted hate, and if somebody doesnt have that then you automatically assume that someone is a sack swinger.

Is it so hard to beleive that someone can actually be an objective fan of boxing? Sues2nd is a very rational poster he is far from a "hugger." The guy knows his shit.

It was just some good natured ball busting, no need to break out the kleenex:D

[compukiller]

bump.

[Zakman]

Only about 6 weeks til Jermain "Gift Decision" Taylor gets utterly exposed and KTFO. :yep

Can't wait!!! :happy

[Thor]

Only about 6 weeks til Jermain "Gift Decision" Taylor gets utterly exposed and KTFO. :yep

Can't wait!!! :happy

Alright Z, I'm calling you out. Care to make an Taylor/Pavlik avatar bet?

[Zakman]

Alright Z, I'm calling you out. Care to make an Taylor/Pavlik avatar bet?

You got it guy. If Taylor wins, I'll sport a Taylor avatar for a month, if Pavlik wins, you sport a Pavlik avatar for the same. Deal?:huh

[sues2nd]

Why is it one of two extremes with you guys? Either its unwarranted hate, and if somebody doesnt have that then you automatically assume that someone is a sack swinger.

Is it so hard to beleive that someone can actually be an objective fan of boxing? Sues2nd is a very rational poster he is far from a "hugger." The guy knows his shit.

Thanks Mrboogie!!! Appreciate the kind words.

:good

Since you believe in your daddy Jermain's ability, why not have an avatar bet??:think :D

And compukiller...Im down for a little friendly avatar bet. 1 month, winner chooses?

(BTW, I was at work or I wouldve gotten back to ya sooner on this one!!!)

[sues2nd]

You got it guy. If Taylor wins, I'll sport a Taylor avatar for a month, if Pavlik wins, you sport a Pavlik avatar for the same. Deal?:huh

OH GOD I CANT WAIT FOR ZAKMAN TO HAVE A TAYLOR AVATAR!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Zakman]

OH GOD I CANT WAIT FOR ZAKMAN TO HAVE A TAYLOR AVATAR!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ain't gonna happen. Your boy can't get ANOTHER gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas!! :-( :lol:

[compukiller]

Thanks Mrboogie!!! Appreciate the kind words.

:good



And compukiller...Im down for a little friendly avatar bet. 1 month, winner chooses?

(BTW, I was at work or I wouldve gotten back to ya sooner on this one!!!)

Can it be for one week instead? I just made a shit load of bets, and I will probably lose some of them. I want to honor them all if I have to.:D

If you agree to terms, I will begin shopping for your new avatar immediately.

It will be sent to you the moment Taylor is knocked out of the ring.:lol:

[compukiller]

Ain't gonna happen. Your boy can't get ANOTHER gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas!! :-( :lol:


:lol:

[Thor]

You got it guy. If Taylor wins, I'll sport a Taylor avatar for a month, if Pavlik wins, you sport a Pavlik avatar for the same. Deal?:huh

It's on.

[Thor]

Somebody bet Amsterdam and El Rey, might as well get the whole "Taylor Hating" gang involved.

[sues2nd]

Ain't gonna happen. Your boy can't get ANOTHER gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas!! :-( :lol:

So Taylor is my daddy and my boy....thats incest....and thats gross....:lol:

Seriously tho....this is gonna be great!!!

[psychopath]

HBO doesn't select judges, sure, but if you don't think they have substantial influence over the sanction orgs, officials, and the sport in general - you are shockingly naive. :nod

And the proof is in the pudding. Taylor was HBOs new darling, they were pushing him hard after he came out of the amateurs. And then he gets three gift decisions in a row against fighters who were not exactly popular with the boxing establishment. Hmmmm....rather suspicious, I must say.

Pavlik is the first REAL middleweight he's fought since Hopkins, who had him badly rocked. Pavlik is gonna destroy HBOs hype job, and even the HBO suits won't be able to get Taylor a gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas.:yep

Substantial influence . . . is that the reason why Taylor was stripped of the other belts he was supposed to be holding after he beat Bhops? :D

Yeah yeah Pavlik is gonna destroy HBO's hype job . . . if and only if he wins? :D But he loses Pavlik's HYPE will end too . . . that works both ways . . . duuuuude ! :good

[mikeyc]

OH GOD I CANT WAIT FOR ZAKMAN TO HAVE A TAYLOR AVATAR!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Never doubted that Jermain is/was a great fighter. He's a business man now, who is hoping that he can "turn" on the switch when he faces Pavlik. I don't think he will be able to stand up to Pavlik's onslaught throughout the fight. I respect your opinions and you are well schooled. One thing about me is I root for KP win or lose. I'll c ya ringside and at the Pavlik after party on Sept. 29!!!!

[Ramshall1]

The dude is facing Kelly Pavlik on regular HBO. . . get off his back.

[compukiller]

His Fall is almost upon us!!!:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[compukiller]

THE FALL OF JERMAIN IS NOW COMPLETE. :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

THE MIGHTY PAVLIK HAS RISEN LIKE A PHOENIX FROM THE ASHES TO CRUSH THE REIGN OF TAYLOR, THE WOEFUL. :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy