Pac vs. Katsidis?

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Matchmaker wants Katsidis for Manny
By Joaquin Henson
Monday, August 20, 2007



Golden Boy matchmaker Sampson Lewkowicz said recently his dream is to stage a blockbuster pay-per-view fight featuring Manny Pacquiao against unbeaten WBO interim lightweight champion Michael Katsidis in Las Vegas.
Lewkowicz, who was in town last week on the way to Japan, described Katsidis as “another Arturo Gatti” and saw in the Australian a more logical opponent for Pacquiao than Juan Manuel Marquez, Joan Guzman and Edwin Valero – after the Filipino icon disposes of Marco Antonio Barrera on Oct. 6.
“Styles make fights and I don’t think Manny has any interest to fight someone like Marquez,” said Lewkowicz, the man behind the recent World Cup in Sacramento. “A rematch with Marquez won’t generate the revenues in a pay-per-view event. It won’t bring in the dollars. It won’t be as exciting as a fight against Katsidis who proved himself in winning over (Czar) Amonsot. Las Vegas would be the best place for the fight – there’s no place like it.”
If the fight materializes, it will mark Pacquiao’s historic attempt to win a fourth world title at 135 pounds. He previously captured the WBC flyweight and IBF superbantamweight crowns and gained consensus recognition as the Ring Magazine’s world featherweight champion.
Lewkowicz, 56, said the Philippines is “very special” to him because he played a role in bringing Filipino fighters, like Pacquiao, on the world stage.
“In the history of boxing, the whites were the first to dominate the sport then the African-Americans, followed by the Latinos and Mexicans and now the Filipinos are coming on strong,” said Lewkowicz. “I’ve visited the Philippines thrice and it’s like my second home. I feel I’m a part of the success of Filipino boxers.”
Lewkowicz said six years ago, he was approached by San Francisco lawyer Sydney Hall about booking a fight in the US for Pacquiao.
“Sydney talked to Top Rank, Don King, Main Events and Joe Goosen but couldn’t get anyone to show interest in Pacquiao,” recalled Lewkowicz. “He sent me a tape of Pacquiao and I was impressed. I can’t remember whom he fought in the tape but Pacquiao knocked him out with a left hook to the body. I knew about Filipino fighters in the past, like (Flash) Elorde. I knew boxing was the only sport where the Philippines has excelled internationally. I had a good feeling about Pacquiao and convinced Murad (Muhammad) to give the kid a chance.”
Lewkowicz said Muhammad was initially hesitant to touch Pacquiao but eventually agreed.
“I told Murad there is no other sport where the Philippines can find an idol and Pacquiao could be the next big thing,” said Lewkowicz. “He was new blood. I convinced Murad to use his IBF connections to get Pacquiao a fight against a Mexican in the undercard of Oscar de la Hoya-Javier Castillejo in Las Vegas. The purse was $10,000. The big break came when (Enrique) Sanchez, who was supposed to challenge (Lehlo) Ledwaba for the IBF superbantamweight title on the same card, pulled out because of an injury. We brought in Pacquiao on a week’s notice and got him a $35,000 purse. I still have a copy of that fight contract.”
Lewkowicz said the Filipino fighters’ “warrior” mentality is what brings the fans in to watch them perform in the ring.
“I was absolutely not surprised when the Philippines won the World Cup,” said Lewkowicz. “As a matchmaker, I know what fighters are capable of. I didn’t predict what would happen because only God knows the future. But I knew the Philippines would win.”
Lewkowicz, a free agent matchmaker who considers Golden Boy his family, said arranging the World Cup is “complicated” because it requires at least two world title fights.
“We’ll begin plans for the Philippines’ defense of the World Cup early next year,” said Lewkowicz. “We’ll need the right champions and the right opponents. My understanding is if the Philippines wins three straight
World Cups, it will keep the trophy. If you ask the WBO, they’d like the Philippines to defend against Puerto Rico next. If you ask the IBF, they’ll want the US. The World Cup is a great innovation and concept in boxing. Golden Boy has a trademark on it and nobody else can do a World Cup.”
Lewkowicz said superflyweight A. J. Banal is his choice as the future of Philippine boxing.
“Banal has all the tools,” said Lewkowicz. “He’s only 18. No doubt, he’ll be a world champion.”
As for Rey (Boom Boom) Bautista, Lewkowicz said he’ll be back for sure.
“There was too much pressure on Boom Boom during the World Cup,” said Lewkowicz. “Five Filipinos won before his fight. He’ll learn from the loss. Next time, he’ll be more mentally and emotionally prepared. I promise to bring a tough opponent for Boom Boom in November or December for him to make his comeback in the Philippines, to prove he’s for real. Filipinos are very knowledgeable boxing fans. They know a good opponent from a bad one. Boom Boom’s next fight will be a big test and I’m not going to choose an easy opponent.”



If this happens I think Katsidis wins, too strong & too big for Pac.

[rushman]

I like Katsidis, but I disagree with this thread. Pac too good, too experienced, too lethal.

[Dr Gonzo]

both would need blood transfusions after this one - Kat gets the late KO

[brooklyn1550]

Katsidis by TKO...I think he is too big, too strong, and too powerful for Pac

[ko factor]

both would need blood transfusions after this one - Kat gets the late KOI agree, it will be a bloodbath.:bbb

[BobDigi5060]

Even though he doesn't have a belt, Katsidis is a more dangerous opponent than David Diaz is. It would also make for a damn good scrap.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[Scar]

Would love to see it, Pac will beat the hell out of Katsidis.

[dave82]

Pac TKO 8 Due to cuts

[MSTR]

Would love to see it, Pac will beat the hell out of Katsidis.
He will tag him yes, but how effective will he be in his 4th weight class. Katsidis is a BIG guy for 135, and a massive puncher for that weight. If Pac decides to brawl with him on the inside he could definitely find himself in trouble. Pac has the better skills, but will his ego get the best of him, and will he brawl with the bigger, stronger guy?

[Morrissey]

Don't know, but I would take Pac here. Eventhough I favor Juan Diaz over Pac.

A brawler who can be open to Pac's lefts will be feasted with powerpunches.

He might be bigger, but his style is perfect for Pac.

[Chert]

He will tag him yes, but how effective will he be in his 4th weight class. Katsidis is a BIG guy for 135, and a massive puncher for that weight. If Pac decides to brawl with him on the inside he could definitely find himself in trouble. Pac has the better skills, but will his ego get the best of him, and will he brawl with the bigger, stronger guy?

actually if pac moves to 135, that will be his 5th weight class after 112, 122, 126 and 130.

if i'm not mistaken, amonsot started as a featherweight (126) but he was still able to hang with katsidis at lightweight and take his best shots.

[theunderdog]

too many good match ups for pac at 130. no sense in moving up to 135 right now

[sues2nd]

I like Katsidis, but I disagree with this thread. Pac too good, too experienced, too lethal.

I like Katsidis...I think he has a warriors heart, a great chin, good skills, and a great workrate.











That said, vs Manny, he would be committing suicide. He would get destroyed. Anyone who disagrees is insane...sorry. Katsidis gets hit too much to fight a guy of Pacs power.

This fight wouldnt last 4.

[MSTR]

I like Katsidis...I think he has a warriors heart, a great chin, good skills, and a great workrate.











That said, vs Manny, he would be committing suicide. He would get destroyed. Anyone who disagrees is insane...sorry. Katsidis gets hit too much to fight a guy of Pacs power.

This fight wouldnt last 4.
But is Pacs power at 135 so great.... I have my doubts. He would certainly have trouble brawling with a bigger and stronger guy. How would pac fight getting backed up for once?

[Chert]

But is Pacs power at 135 so great.... I have my doubts. He would certainly have trouble brawling with a bigger and stronger guy. How would pac fight getting backed up for once?
pac does have power to KO guys at 135. he's kd'd some junior welters during sparring sessions. i know it's not the same as actual fights but a 130lber being able to kd 140lbers w/ headgear is still something. pac's sparring again with junior welters in his training for the barrera fight.

the great thing about pac is that he has brought his power w/ him when moving up in weight unlike most fighters.

[Bangis]

too many good match ups for pac at 130. no sense in moving up to 135 right now

right... PAC should first clean up the 130 division before moving up if he ever plans on moving to 135...

[DobyZhee]

everybody knows who Katsidis is after that bloodbath vs Amondsot. People STILL don't know who JMM is.

[Chert]

everybody knows who Katsidis is after that bloodbath vs Amondsot. People STILL don't know who JMM is.
jmm has no one to blame but himself. the draw with pac he gave him instant fame and p4p status. but after this fight, he then takes on a number of no-name boxers, loses his belts outside the ring, then fights chris john at the jungles of indonesia for 30k.

jmm should've taken the immediate re-match w/ pac, morales' offer to fight him and moved up to 130 when erik, mab and pac did. he would've been very well-known now and be fighting for millions. his victory vs. barrera finally brought him back to the limelight but he wasted about 3-4 years of his boxing career before doing so.

[Sai]

Katsidis is a beast for a 135 fighter. Probably a bit too big for Pac tbh. Itd be great to watch, but they should definitely have the red cross blood service on stand by.

[WhataRock]

Dont get me wrong Pac would win this and it would be brutal, not a blowout but it would be a bloodbath, either way.

But at some point he has to plateu. I think its testement to the man's greatness that he can not only win titles but be one of the best fighters in divisions spanning from flyweight to superfeather. Absolutely amazing achievment.
But since being at 130, he hasnt really faced any real 130 pounders and certainly no one much bigger than him. Most of the guys he has faced have followed a similiar path to him in terms of weight gain and one jumped two divisions to fight him.
At 135, you wouldnt expect Pac to as strong and Katsidas is bull strong at 135. He is muscular and a very physical fighter.
Boxing can be a game of inches sometimes and that slight dip in strength and speed could spell disaster when you are fighting high calibre guys who are just as fit and want it just as much as you do.

Everything points to a Pac win but he may well be aiming to high in this fight, it could end in tears.

[MSTR]

Dont get me wrong Pac would win this and it would be brutal, not a blowout but it would be a bloodbath, either way.

But at some point he has to plateu. I think its testement to the man's greatness that he can not only win titles but be one of the best fighters in divisions spanning from flyweight to superfeather. Absolutely amazing achievment.
But since being at 130, he hasnt really faced any real 130 pounders and certainly no one much bigger than him. Most of the guys he has faced have followed a similiar path to him in terms of weight gain and one jumped two divisions to fight him.
At 135, you wouldnt expect Pac to as strong and Katsidas is bull strong at 135. He is muscular and a very physical fighter.
Boxing can be a game of inches sometimes and that slight dip in strength and speed could spell disaster when you are fighting high calibre guys who are just as fit and want it just as much as you do.

Everything points to a Pac win but he may well be aiming to high in this fight, it could end in tears.
Good post Rock.

[Chert]

Dont get me wrong Pac would win this and it would be brutal, not a blowout but it would be a bloodbath, either way.

But at some point he has to plateu. I think its testement to the man's greatness that he can not only win titles but be one of the best fighters in divisions spanning from flyweight to superfeather. Absolutely amazing achievment.
But since being at 130, he hasnt really faced any real 130 pounders and certainly no one much bigger than him. Most of the guys he has faced have followed a similiar path to him in terms of weight gain and one jumped two divisions to fight him.
At 135, you wouldnt expect Pac to as strong and Katsidas is bull strong at 135. He is muscular and a very physical fighter.
Boxing can be a game of inches sometimes and that slight dip in strength and speed could spell disaster when you are fighting high calibre guys who are just as fit and want it just as much as you do.

Everything points to a Pac win but he may well be aiming to high in this fight, it could end in tears.

hmm... so you consider katsidis a high-caliber guy? imo, he's clearly notches below the real top guys @ 135 like juan diaz and casa.

[PIRA]

hmm... so you consider katsidis a high-caliber guy? imo, he's clearly notches below the real top guys @ 135 like juan diaz and casa.

Putting the horse before the cart I think. Kat is an awesome, young fighter who will be a great test in time for Pac but not yet. More work to be done now that he has the base to get quality work and improve and more maturing in the ring will see him get the best chance to rise to his potential.

No need to rush just to fulfill some promoters wish to trade off two impressive wins - but 18 months from now would be interesting.

[Spitfire7]

First, it was Katsi vs. Guz. Now, this... and both smaller guys.

Hmm, at least Katsi is getting some well-deserved media mileage these days.

Torito vs. Rocky is what i wanna see.

[Spitfire7]

First, it was Katsi vs. Guz. Now, this... and both smaller guys.

Hmm, at least Katsi is getting some well-deserved media mileage these days.

Torito vs. Rocky is what i wanna see.

[Spitfire7]

Wot the...double posting. Dang that slow connection.

Anyway, if Pac-Katsi pushes through--damn, what a bloodfest it would be! Would slightly favor Pac here. If Amonsot could tear up his face, imagine what Pac could do...

[ozziebattler]

I like Katsidis...I think he has a warriors heart, a great chin, good skills, and a great workrate.











That said, vs Manny, he would be committing suicide. He would get destroyed. Anyone who disagrees is insane...sorry. Katsidis gets hit too much to fight a guy of Pacs power.

This fight wouldnt last 4.

You obviously havent seen a whole lot of katsidis.Im by no means saying he would beat pacman but i know it would take more than 4rounds to break him down.This guy's heart is bigger than farlaps
(famous aussie racehourse who died of enlarged heart.)

The great katsidis trains alot with the super middles to get a feel of being hit hard.

Hes not just another blow in slugger,this bloke's a raving lunatic..

If he loses im sure it would take the other boxer kocking him out cold..

[Spitfire7]

You obviously havent seen a whole lot of katsidis.Im by no means saying he would beat pacman but i know it would take more than 4rounds to break him down.This guy's heart is bigger than farlaps
(famous aussie racehourse who died of enlarged heart.)

The great katsidis trains alot with the super middles to get a feel of being hit hard.

Hes not just another blow in slugger,this bloke's a raving lunatic..

If he loses im sure it would take the other boxer kocking him out cold..

That, no one can ever dispute...:good

[retriever]

Il cheer both. Pac by late k.O

[knockout]

Pac by stopage.

[ko factor]

But the question here guys how Pac can be able to deal with Katsidis going forward bullying & swinging power punches throughout the whole fight. His chin will be tested against the bigger stronger guy.

[mad_takamura]

But the question here guys how Pac can be able to deal with Katsidis going forward bullying & swinging power punches throughout the whole fight. His chin will be tested against the bigger stronger guy. go to his side then swing the manila ice.

[PATSYS]

We really believe in our boy to win by KO, Patsys. I will automatically agree w/ you, amigo. :D There is just no other way :lol: :good

[Sai]

There is just no other way :lol: :good

I think at least 3500 of your posts are "Pac by KO"

[Guru_Too_You]

actually if pac moves to 135, that will be his 5th weight class after 112, 122, 126 and 130.

if i'm not mistaken, amonsot started as a featherweight (126) but he was still able to hang with katsidis at lightweight and take his best shots.

And he almost died as a result of that bout.

Pacman will not be able to hurt Katsidis with one punch and Katsidis will definitely be able to hurt Pacman with one punch.

I'll take Katsidis by mid round KO.

[Chert]

And he almost died as a result of that bout.

Pacman will not be able to hurt Katsidis with one punch and Katsidis will definitely be able to hurt Pacman with one punch.

I'll take Katsidis by mid round KO.
amonsot is not even a b-level boxer while pac is an elite p4p fighter with definitely more punching power. superior hand/foot speed combined w/ power will carry pac on this fight. katsidis may be a slugger like pac. but he definitely has less skills and is very slow and much more hittable compared to pac. plus, katsidis gets cut so easily like nobody's business and that will definitely spell disaster for him. pac's punching accuracy is also very underrated. pac will just tattoo those cuts with left straights and right hooks until the ref finally calls a halt on the blood bath.

[ko factor]

go to his side then swing the manila ice.:good :lol:

[Pimp C]

I would like too see Pac fight at 135 before I pick a winner.

[WhataRock]

hmm... so you consider katsidis a high-caliber guy? imo, he's clearly notches below the real top guys @ 135 like juan diaz and casa.

He certainly aint on their level yet.

But he is more than just a contender now, his fitness, strength and power are of a high calibre. He is still pretty green but its not like Pac fighting a Solis or Velazquez.
This should be a test, a meaningful fight.

[Boom_Boom]

Not going to happen

katsidas is an honorary filipino now,lol

[theHawtness]

marquez first.

[MSTR]

You obviously havent seen a whole lot of katsidis.Im by no means saying he would beat pacman but i know it would take more than 4rounds to break him down.This guy's heart is bigger than farlaps
(famous aussie racehourse who died of enlarged heart.)

The great katsidis trains alot with the super middles to get a feel of being hit hard.

Hes not just another blow in slugger,this bloke's a raving lunatic..

If he loses im sure it would take the other boxer kocking him out cold..
Good post mate. He fights with a lot of pride. To predict KO by 4 is pretty silly IMO.

[theunderdog]

judging from the amonsot fight, katsidis cuts easily. i think amonsot has nowhere near the power pac has but then again 135 is a whole new thing for pac. still, i'd say pac has the advantage on this one. late stoppage on cuts.

[WhataRock]

That is worrying, its not a one off. He certainly swells up pretty quickly.
The amonsot had its fair share of headclashes, but it would probably not be much different against the southpaw stance of Manny either.

[theunderdog]

That is worrying, its not a one off. He certainly swells up pretty quickly.
The amonsot had its fair share of headclashes, but it would probably not be much different against the southpaw stance of Manny either.

yes there were headbutts but most of those cuts were from punches. and believe me, amonsot's power cannot be compared to pac. if katsidis caught pac with the same punch he caught amonsot the in 1st kd, pac will taste the canvass too. but there is no chance in hell that katsidis will will go in without getting a right to the jaw first against pac

[WhataRock]

I like speculating about this fight because I reckon Katsidas is going to have an almost Gattiesque reign, albeit shorter and probably less dramatic.
Plus there is no doubt that Pac is one of the most truly exciting fighters not just of this age but ever.

But you would think that Pac has heaps more other fights to look at first. I mean Katsidas isnt even a full champ and has only had one U.S tv appearence.
Hopefully he gets a shot at the Diaz vs Diaz winner.

[WhataRock]

katsidas has wax skin. pacqiou would cut him hup bad. plus theres a lot more people that pacqiou needs to beat before he can move up.

:scaredas:

I just punched a candle, it exploded. I would shiver to see what Pac could do to it.

[theunderdog]

I like speculating about this fight because I reckon Katsidas is going to have an almost Gattiesque reign, albeit shorter and probably less dramatic.

Plus there is no doubt that Pac is one of the most truly exciting fighters not just of this age but ever.



But you would think that Pac has heaps more other fights to look at first. I mean Katsidas isnt even a full champ and has only had one U.S tv appearence.

Hopefully he gets a shot at the Diaz vs Diaz winner.



amen to that brother. there are many matches to be made both at 135 and 130. why mix them right now? there's no need for it. when all possible matches have been done, then lets shake it up with fights at a catchweight of 133 perhaps.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[WhataRock]

Get a room you guys :lol:

[myk]

Too early for Katsidis to face Pac

[theunderdog]

But Pac is capable of beating Katsidis. That's why I think Pac is better than the late Flash Elorde who lost twice to Carlos Ortiz in the lightweight division.

that's what myk said

[psychopath]

Pac sends Kats to the strecher in a bloody battle.

Czar Amonsot is not even half as fast and powerful as Pac. Amonsot is not at par with Manny in terms of upper body movements and foot work . . . yet he was able to tagged Kats repeatedly with his power shots how hard is it to realize that Pac would do better than Amonsot?

Other factors? Kats is flat footed and not a very mobile fighter who runs around in circles . . . he is a move forward fighter . . . which is another advantage for Pac. :yep

[puga_ni_nana]

Shit .. Pac fans just write Katsidis off and jump to conclusions that Pac would KO him when PAC HAS NEVER EVEN FOUGHT AT 135. :lol:

I'm not so sure. Pac's power at 130 has decreased and he is now an accumulative/volume puncher. At 135, his power might not even be there at all and Kats is a strong fighter and a strong puncher.

so what is your pick? didn't you notice that katsidis was very prone to cuts?

[psychopath]

Shit .. Pac fans just write Katsidis off and jump to conclusions that Pac would KO him when PAC HAS NEVER EVEN FOUGHT AT 135. :lol:

I'm not so sure. Pac's power at 130 has decreased and he is now an accumulative/volume puncher. At 135, his power might not even be there at all and Kats is a strong fighter and a strong puncher.


And you're a moron for matching up Pac against a 140 Malignaggi. Yeah he had never fought at 135 . . . dumbfuck . . . maybe now you'll realize your own stupidity.

Amonsot messed up Kats pretty bad . . . but he came short . . . lack of skills to duck incoming punches . . . lack of stamina that made him too slow and become eassier target for Kats in the later rounds . . . and guess what? Amonsot has only 1 fight at 135 before he met Katsidis.

Now are you still suprised why Pacfans is saying Kats will be knocked out by Pacquaio? :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do some research before you open your mouth . . . shithead!:good

[puga_ni_nana]

50/50

Yes, I did. But he's super tough, has a lot of heart and would do whatever it takes to get the W

ok. that is a good assesment of katsidis. :good

[psychopath]

I did that out of mockery of the diehard Pac fans. I wanted to see how many of them would actually pick Pac and it was not a serious thread. :deal

But I take you as serious as I take Jones when he says he'll fight Klitschko. Besides..afterall, you are actually convinced Taylor can KO Pavlik.

Nuff said. :deal

Well noted. So that's a bait thread.

And on Taylor? I'm not saying he can K.O. Pavlik . . . I believe he can sneak in a victory.

[puga_ni_nana]

I did that out of mockery of the diehard Pac fans. I wanted to see how many of them would actually pick Pac and it was not a serious thread. :deal



did they answer your thread seriously?

[ozziebattler]

Pac sends Kats to the strecher in a bloody battle.

Czar Amonsot is not even half as fast and powerful as Pac. Amonsot is not at par with Manny in terms of upper body movements and foot work . . . yet he was able to tagged Kats repeatedly with his power shots how hard is it to realize that Pac would do better than Amonsot?

Other factors? Kats is flat footed and not a very mobile fighter who runs around in circles . . . he is a move forward fighter . . . which is another advantage for Pac. :yep

Nearly every fight kats has had so far has led to him tasting alot of fists.We all know he gets hit alot,but as his face etc gets battered and bruised he just keeps going.This bloke dont quit,wont quit unless he gets put into hospital..I dont believe pac can do that.Yes pac would most likely outbox him as he is alot more skillful but when you are fighting a bloke like katsidis its very hard not to get dragged into a phonebooth affair..

Katsidis is a bigger man who i believe has better power and a better chin than pac.If pac could stay away from the slugfest he would catch katsidis regularly and win by a large margain.If he falls into the trap of a all out slugfest than things could become very dangerous for pacman.

I would probably go for pacman at the moment but the great katsidis is more than a punchers chance of breaking manny down and causing a upset..

[psychopath]

Nearly every fight kats has had so far has led to him tasting alot of fists.We all know he gets hit alot,but as his face etc gets battered and bruised he just keeps going.This bloke dont quit,wont quit unless he gets put into hospital..I dont believe pac can do that.Yes pac would most likely outbox him as he is alot more skillful but when you are fighting a bloke like katsidis its very hard not to get dragged into a phonebooth affair..

Katsidis is a bigger man who i believe has better power and a better chin than pac.If pac could stay away from the slugfest he would catch katsidis regularly and win by a large margain.If he falls into the trap of a all out slugfest than things could become very dangerous for pacman.

I would probably go for pacman at the moment but the great katsidis is more than a punchers chance of breaking manny down and causing a upset..

Buddy I have nothing against Katsidis . . . infact he earned my respect and admiration in his last fight. I'm just honestly stating how I see it . . . backed by facts.

He is an exciting all out come forward fighter but Kats has never fought a puncher like Pac and he has only 22 fights. He lacks the experience and skill to survive such a war.

I won't bother to explain . . . I want you to check the records of his last 10 opponents. Amonsot; Earl; Suwwunarit; Gonzales; Mosquera; Ganoy; Tebedu; Sor thanikul; Alvarez and Liendo.

Now tell me who among these guys has a good and respectable K.O. percentage.

:yep :good

[WhataRock]

Buddy I have nothing against Katsidis . . . infact he earned my respect and admiration in his last fight. I'm just honestly stating how I see it . . . backed by facts.

He is an exciting all out come forward fighter but Kats has never fought a puncher like Pac and he has only 22 fights. He lacks the experience and skill to survive such a war.

I won't bother to explain . . . I want you to check the records of his last 10 opponents. Amonsot; Earl; Suwwunarit; Gonzales; Mosquera; Ganoy; Tebedu; Sor thanikul; Alvarez and Liendo.

Now tell me who among these guys has a good and respectable K.O. percentage.

:yep :good

Ganoy and believe me his recored is misleading. The dude can hit and by all reports he caught Rocky with some great shots on his way down.

[theunderdog]

if pac inflicts the same cuts that amonsot gave katsidis, it will be stopped and declared a tko. the only thing that prevented the doctor and/or the ref from stopping that fight was because katsidis was the "name" fighter on that one and amonsot was a relative nobody. we all know that pac is the biggest draw from 135 and will be the name fighter on this one.

pac will not be trapped in the ropes receiving multiple shots to the head like amonsot did

pac will put on more pressure than amonsot did

pac's power may diminish a bit at 135 but it will surely be better than amonsot's power

pac's head movement and footwork are better than amonsot by far

my pick, pac by late on cuts. but pac may taste the canvass on this one too.

but katsidis is young. and as most boxer's career they gain weight when they get older. there is a strong chance that katsidis will get a fight with pac at 135 but not in the next couple of years and he'll be lucky because pac would be past his peak by then

[ozziebattler]

Buddy I have nothing against Katsidis . . . infact he earned my respect and admiration in his last fight. I'm just honestly stating how I see it . . . backed by facts.

He is an exciting all out come forward fighter but Kats has never fought a puncher like Pac and he has only 22 fights. He lacks the experience and skill to survive such a war.

I won't bother to explain . . . I want you to check the records of his last 10 opponents. Amonsot; Earl; Suwwunarit; Gonzales; Mosquera; Ganoy; Tebedu; Sor thanikul; Alvarez and Liendo.

Now tell me who among these guys has a good and respectable K.O. percentage.

:yep :good

Dont get me wrong,i aint saying your a katsidis hater.Just think you are gathering most of your info from the his last fight as it was the only time most people other than aussies have seen him.Going on boxrec for his last opponents names and youtube for same clips of his recent few fights dont tell the picture..

NOT SAYING YOU DID,BUT IN MOST CASES IM CORRECT.

Also as mentioned by a fellow poster he has fought some real bangers one being renoy ganoy,whos record is very misleading.Ganoy is on a winning streak with his big scalp being a stoppage of former world titlelist robbie peden(dropped peden 3times in the bout).

Ganoy i feel is a bigger hitter than pacman and who happens to be naturally bigger than pacman.

Yes pacman is a great boxer and posseses alot of power but there are a shitload of bigger hitters than pacman in 135.

But to be honest im doubting that any fightfan who hasnt seen katsidis asmuch as a few of the ozzie fightfans are going to give him much of a chance against manny.

[myk]

Ganoy is a filipino who once lost to Pac's brother Bobby.

[psychopath]

Dont get me wrong,i aint saying your a katsidis hater.Just think you are gathering most of your info from the his last fight as it was the only time most people other than aussies have seen him.Going on boxrec for his last opponents names and youtube for same clips of his recent few fights dont tell the picture..

NOT SAYING YOU DID,BUT IN MOST CASES IM CORRECT.

Also as mentioned by a fellow poster he has fought some real bangers one being renoy ganoy,whos record is very misleading.Ganoy is on a winning streak with his big scalp being a stoppage of former world titlelist robbie peden(dropped peden 3times in the bout).

Ganoy i feel is a bigger hitter than pacman and who happens to be naturally bigger than pacman.

Yes pacman is a great boxer and posseses alot of power but there are a shitload of bigger hitters than pacman in 135.

But to be honest im doubting that any fightfan who hasnt seen katsidis asmuch as a few of the ozzie fightfans are going to give him much of a chance against manny.


Ganoy is a bigger hitter and naturally bigger? Nah nah :-( . . . you don't know what you're saying dude. :yep

Ganoy stands at 5'5" and has 9 loses (5 by knockouts) before he met Kats. :D Pac can take this guy out in 3 rounds, he is in the level of a journeyman.

As to bigger hitters than Pac at 135 . . . no arguement on that but I don't believe Kats is one of them.

Experience will play a major factor here buddy. :good

[JustinD]

As to bigger hitters than Pac at 135 . . . no arguement on that but I don't believe Kats is one of them.

:good

You actually think Pac is a bigger puncher than Katsidis at 135?

[Jack]

Katsidis will beat him. The size difference is too big, and Katsidis carries too much power for Pacquiao. It'd be a great fucking fight, but only for about 8 rounds, before katsidis stops Pacman.

[Jack]

I won't bother to explain . . . I want you to check the records of his last 10 opponents. Amonsot; Earl; Suwwunarit; Gonzales; Mosquera; Ganoy; Tebedu; Sor thanikul; Alvarez and Liendo.

Now tell me who among these guys has a good and respectable K.O. percentage.

:yep :goodAre you doubting Katsidis' chin, mate? Honestly, even if most of those weren't haven't got great knockout ratios, they can all bang. I've seen Earl a lot of times, and even though he has what, 12 KO's, he has a good amount of power.

Someone like Earl is more heavy handed than Pacquiao, I think.

anyway, Pacquiao is too much of a fighter. when he starts fighting Katsidis, he will suffer. He probably has a weaker chin, less power and is smaller. A boxer at 130lbs may beat Katsidis but a fighter won't.

[koko of phil]

I think this is one way to lure Pac fighting at 135. Pacquiao is not ready yet in this division or even won't fit to it. Katsidis is too big for Manny. Pac would give Katsidis a tough fight though but he won't last 12 rounds.

[WhataRock]

Ganoy is a bigger hitter and naturally bigger? Nah nah :-( . . . you don't know what you're saying dude. :yep

Ganoy stands at 5'5" and has 9 loses (5 by knockouts) before he met Kats. :D Pac can take this guy out in 3 rounds, he is in the level of a journeyman.

As to bigger hitters than Pac at 135 . . . no arguement on that but I don't believe Kats is one of them.

Experience will play a major factor here buddy. :good

I dont think that makes that much of a difference when rating power.

Ranee can whack, just even hearing his punches you can tell.

Sure he is 5' 5 but have you seen him?? He has a very stocky build and has fought as high as welter, which Pac hasnt.

Only arguement Im trying to make hear is that Ganoy is certainly physically bigger than Pac, or at least has shown he can hanlde the higher weight.
Probably doesnt hit harder but he aint no where near as fast as Pac, so he may in fact be a more concussive hitter.

Let me reinforce though COMPARING RANEE GANOY TO PAC IS LIKE COMPARING a 92 Civic to a 07 Camaro.
Only arguement hear is about there physical size and relative punching power.

[psychopath]

You actually think Pac is a bigger puncher than Katsidis at 135?

Nah . . . I see it as they're just about even. But speedwise it's gonna be 3 to 1 punches on Pac's advantage. When Pac went up to 126, he no longer takes out opponets with a single punch . . . it's the accumulation of punches.

[psychopath]

Are you doubting Katsidis' chin, mate? Honestly, even if most of those weren't haven't got great knockout ratios, they can all bang. I've seen Earl a lot of times, and even though he has what, 12 KO's, he has a good amount of power.

Someone like Earl is more heavy handed than Pacquiao, I think.

anyway, Pacquiao is too much of a fighter. when he starts fighting Katsidis, he will suffer. He probably has a weaker chin, less power and is smaller. A boxer at 130lbs may beat Katsidis but a fighter won't.

Earl can bang alright, but having 12 K.O.s in 25 fights shows the guy doesn't have extra ordinary power. That's my point.

Didn't you see Amonsot? The guy can bang too . . . but he doesn't have enough pop in his punches to put Kats down.

And no I'm not doubting Kats chin . . . all I mean is Pac will have enough power to put him down. And you also have it the other way around . . . it is Kats who is too much of a fighter at this point. He is a raw boxer and it's him who will suffer once he starts coming forward against Pacquaio. :yep

[theunderdog]

i'm more worried about katsidis' skin that his chin

[psychopath]

LEGENDARY TRAINER WARNS KATSIDIS AGAINST FIGHTING PACQUIAO

Australia’s five-time world champion boxing trainer Johnny Lewis has warned WBO lightweight champion Michael Katsidis not to think of fighting Filipino ring idol Manny Pacquiao in the near future.

The Australian website *********.com said Lewis was reacting to a statement by Golden Boy Promotions international matchmaker Sampson Lewkowicz who was in the Philippines recently and said his dream was to stage a blockbuster pay-per-view fight between Pacquiao and Katsidis in Las Vegas.

But even Filipino boxing writers and fans believe it would be rushing Katisids too soon against a devastating puncher like Pacquiao. They shared the views of Lewis who said Katsidis is “not ready and is at least 12 to 18 months away from being able to match it with one of the best fighters in the world.”

What did I say? :yep

KATS simply lucks the skills and experience at this point.

[etong_08]

If Czar Amonsot was able to get the end of his gloves into Kastidis' face several times, then I guess he'll be more vulnerable to PACMAN's deadlier punches (combination of both speed and power).


PACMAN by late round TKO. ;)

[ozziebattler]

Ganoy is a bigger hitter and naturally bigger? Nah nah :-( . . . you don't know what you're saying dude. :yep

Ganoy stands at 5'5" and has 9 loses (5 by knockouts) before he met Kats. :D Pac can take this guy out in 3 rounds, he is in the level of a journeyman.

As to bigger hitters than Pac at 135 . . . no arguement on that but I don't believe Kats is one of them.

Experience will play a major factor here buddy. :good

Boxrec stats..Thats what you are giving me.

Ganoy started off a punching bag brought over from asia who has grown as a boxer through some good training and having better people handling him..

Dont let his record fool you.What about Glenn Johnson??

Some fighters hit their straps after a shaky pro career start..

Hey aint saying kats has ever fought anyone near pacs ability,i just doubt manny will hurt kats.Outbox him very possible but hurt him NO..

[theunderdog]

Pac by KO

trying to be like patsys is see. well, it's pathetic.

[mad_takamura]

I think this is one way to lure Pac fighting at 135. Pacquiao is not ready yet in this division or even won't fit to it. Katsidis is too big for Manny. Pac would give Katsidis a tough fight though but he won't last 12 rounds. i think pac can fit on the 135 div. you see before the fight pac weighs 140 a welter's weight. now i don't know about kat but to add on that again pac has been sparring with welts while he is on the jr.lw div. right now he even injured his current sparring partner for the pac-mab2 fight who have an unblemished record with a left hook to the body. and to base him fighting on the higher weight like lw because he has been sparring with welts is not illogical. even with the headgear you would get injured ive saw those with headgear getting kd besides what's the point of sparring him with the higher weights? anyway, lw is just a few pounds for pac and an additional power for him but we don't know until that fight happens1 if it did that would be a great fight!:good

[CASH_718]

I like Katsidis...I think he has a warriors heart, a great chin, good skills, and a great workrate.











That said, vs Manny, he would be committing suicide. He would get destroyed. Anyone who disagrees is insane...sorry. Katsidis gets hit too much to fight a guy of Pacs power.

This fight wouldnt last 4.The same thing could be said for Pac man. He's is very easy to hit plus he's been hurt by smaller guys with below average power(Larios). What would Katsidis do to him then??? He hits like a truck and is HUGE for 135 and Pac man is small for 130.

Katsidis takes him out. To big to strong for tiny manny.

[koko of phil]

i think pac can fit on the 135 div. you see before the fight pac weighs 140 a welter's weight. now i don't know about kat but to add on that again pac has been sparring with welts while he is on the jr.lw div. right now he even injured his current sparring partner for the pac-mab2 fight who have an unblemished record with a left hook to the body. and to base him fighting on the higher weight like lw because he has been sparring with welts is not illogical. even with the headgear you would get injured ive saw those with headgear getting kd besides what's the point of sparring him with the higher weights? anyway, lw is just a few pounds for pac and an additional power for him but we don't know until that fight happens1 if it did that would be a great fight!:good

It's normal for a fighter to gain 10 pounds heavier after weigh-in prior to the fight but it doesn't mean he would fit to mix with any 135 or 140 lbs fighter, how would Pac weighs then if he fights at ligthweight, 145 or more? I don't think he could still move the way he does at 130. Or even so, it would still make a lot of adjustment for Pac to be relax at lightweight. And one thing more, if Manny goes at 135, Katsidis shouldn't be the first priority as an opponent. I believe this fighter is a different level for Pac.

[psychopath]

The same thing could be said for Pac man. He's is very easy to hit plus he's been hurt by smaller guys with below average power(Larios). What would Katsidis do to him then??? He hits like a truck and is HUGE for 135 and Pac man is small for 130.

Katsidis takes him out. To big to strong for tiny manny.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah he hits like a truck . . . is it the reason why it took him so long to dispose of AMonsot?

Great difference between Manny's style against Kats . . . Manny waves left and right and uses timing, never stay in the pocket till he is going for the kill . . . Kats goes in there straight like an armor personnel carrier. :good

[psychopath]

Boxrec stats..Thats what you are giving me.

Ganoy started off a punching bag brought over from asia who has grown as a boxer through some good training and having better people handling him..

Dont let his record fool you.What about Glenn Johnson??

Some fighters hit their straps after a shaky pro career start..

Hey aint saying kats has ever fought anyone near pacs ability,i just doubt manny will hurt kats.Outbox him very possible but hurt him NO..


You don't believe Pacquiao can hurt Kats? :lol:

Are you insinuating that Amonsot is a better fighter than Pac?

We're just going in circles dude . . . even the Australia's premiere trainer see's it the way I do. You still insist on your arguement? :D :patsch

[Toopretty]

Pacs hand speed would be the key...He could let loose on Katsadis and Mike I like the guy but he has a good right hand but thats all he has and he times it very well. But pac would just be tagging him...I cant see it any other way..Good fight for the fans though..Pac may get knocked down..but I think he would recover with revenge on the mind..I strongly dislike pac fans but pacman is a great fighter no if ands or buts about it.. Despite his flaws he still wins and wins without a doubt.(KO)