Chris John vs PAC

[Stinky gloves]

Who takes it? John carry the win over JMM while PAC not.
Both are currently dominant in their weight class.
So: Indonesia or Philliphines?

[MSTR]

Could be a tricky match for Pac. Haven't seen enough of Johns to comment. Would love to see his fight vs Marquez to see who ACTUALLY won.

[Amsterdam]

Could be a tricky match for Pac. Haven't seen enough of Johns to comment. Would love to see his fight vs Marquez to see who ACTUALLY won.

I've seen it, Marquez took him an easy 8-4, it was a typical hometown robbery. The bad part about all of these robberies is that it puts an undeserved black spot on Marquez's record, where he deserved a win.

[MSTR]

I've seen it, Marquez took him an easy 8-4, it was a typical hometown robbery. The bad part about all of these robberies is that it puts an undeserved black spot on Marquez's record, where he deserved a win.
Fair enough. I would probably go with Pac then... How do you think it would play out considering you have seen both fighters against JMM?

[Amsterdam]

Fair enough. I would probably go with Pac then... How do you think it would play out considering you have seen both fighters against JMM?

Pac would blast John out of there in a matter of rounds in my opinion. John is far too tentative to face a swarmer who blazes in like Pac and he has no power to keep Pac off. John did nothing effective against JMM and JMM was definitley having an off, unmotivated night, just doing enough to 'win' against a very mediocre opponent, but they gave it to John wrongfully because it was an easy fight to score.

A full on Marquez would have KOed John in my opinion, maybe we can get John out of Indonesia to get KOed proper by any of the best guys.:lol:

[WhataRock]

JMM won that fight, In fight like that I usually would have said the point deductions really hurt him , it took a clear win to a close fight and your usually hard pressed to get a close fight in the other guys hometown. But it looked they were always going to rob JMM unless he was real dominant, because they gave it by pretty wide scores to John and point deductions didnt really make a difference.

John is pretty talented but he doesnt fight enough, he does fight to defensive a lot of the time.
Havent really seen enough of John against good opposition, he wasnt totally out of his depth against JMM, though he was outclassed for the most of the fight. Just his style wasnt an easy one for JMM to deal with, which means I think most top fighters would find him difficult.

I think Pac would have him in a shell all night and probably would stop him late.

[Stinky gloves]

JMM won that fight, In fight like that I usually would have said the point deductions really hurt him , it took a clear win to a close fight and your usually hard pressed to get a close fight in the other guys hometown. But it looked they were always going to rob JMM unless he was real dominant, because they gave it by pretty wide scores to John and point deductions didnt really make a difference.

John is pretty talented but he doesnt fight enough, he does fight to defensive a lot of the time.
Havent really seen enough of John against good opposition, he wasnt totally out of his depth against JMM, though he was outclassed for the most of the fight. Just his style wasnt an easy one for JMM to deal with, which means I think most top fighters would find him difficult.

I think Pac would have him in a shell all night and probably would stop him late.

Weren't PAC also outclasted for the most of the fight by JMM (forget first round of course)?
If so then how do you see the direct comparison between John and PAC ...
Who was more "outclasted" by Marquez in the pure boxing sense?

[Illmatic]

John KO2....pac has been avoiding John like the plague ever since their famous sparring matches in indonesia

[Stinky gloves]

No. Pac was never outclassed by JMM. He won that fight, right? There you go again.

Anyway, you can't see direct comparison until they fight.

Now, you can go to sleep now and suck Marquez's dick.

OK, so how do you compare PAC and John vs Marquez?

[WhataRock]

Weren't PAC also outclasted for the most of the fight by JMM (forget first round of course)?
If so then how do you see the direct comparison between John and PAC ...
Who was more "outclasted" by Marquez in the pure boxing sense?

Pac wasnt outclassed in that fight, he was made to look one-dimensional at times but that one dimension still was enough to win in my view. JMM showed amazing heart, looked real good in spurts and certainly gave Pac a hard fight. But in most rounds contested Pac was doing more of what the judges should be looking for the most, scoring effective punches.

John is a very different fighter to Pac of course, so it is hard to compare. Pac's aggresive style gives the counter puncher JMM more oppurtunites to do what he does best. John's highly energetic duracell bunny style is little more difficult for JMM.
Though he still clearly outdid John in the effective punches and ring generalship, making John jump around a lot and have very little effective offense.

Seeing as I thought JMM beat John but lost to Pac, I would have to say JMM outclassed John a lot more overall.

[Scar]

Pacquiao by stoppage.

[PacDbest]

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Here's I guess the best round John did to Marquez!!! You be the judge.

[Amsterdam]

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Here's I guess the best round John did to Marquez!!! You be the judge.

Exactly, that's about as good as John did, which was nothing. Total hometown robbery and a shame that Marquez has to have a black mark on his record.

[divac]

John is slightly better than Marquez. Pac will whoop them both. John won't last 5 rounds against Pac. Marquez will be ko'd by Pac in the 6th round.

I do believe domngo has admitted in previous threads not to have seen the JMM-John fight.......yet he say's John is better.:rofl :lol:

domngo, you're crazy! You're Pac crazy domngo!:D

I saw the JMM-John fight. I saw John winning only one round, and even that was a debatable round.

John ran for dear life and avoided any kind of an exchange.
Anything John threw had nothing on it as he never planted his feet for one second to punch.

Someone mentioned that Marquez had an off night vs John but still won in their opinion......I dont feel Marquez had an off night. The fact is that hardly anybody is going to look spectacular against a fighter who is'nt their to win, but to survive.
....but the fact remains that JMM clearly distinguished himself apart from John in every single quality catergory anybody can name.

A complete utter robbery in which any boxing scribe who has seen the fight would call heist of the year!


Btw, if Pac were to face John in Indonesia.....Pac will do well to get credit for winning 3 or 4 rounds.

.....anywhere else with John fighting a survival fight, its 12-0 Pac!
John would avoid the KO, because he just would'nt fight to win.

[chliJs]

jmm/john 115 - 111

was my score, and even i robbed jmm one or two rounds.
i don't exactly remember how many points he got deducted, i think 2 or maybe 3. the whole fight was a joke.
pacquiao wouldn't let it come that far, he'd knock john out in a couple of rounds.

[Smith]

Boxrec have John at P4P #5

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fucking idiots

[chliJs]

Boxrec have John at P4P #5

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fucking idiots

this is not boxrec's fault but the judges' at jmm/john.

[knockout]

Chris John is just a overrated tomato can,i mean who did he face besides Marquez and getting a home town win that tells you somthing right there,he's not ready to fight pac.

[Spitfire7]

John KO2....pac has been avoiding John like the plague ever since their famous sparring matches in indonesia

:lol: another ignorant comment. Just because Indonesia and the PI are neighbors that CJ and Pac had sparring matches already...

[Brickhaus]

Fair enough. I would probably go with Pac then... How do you think it would play out considering you have seen both fighters against JMM?

I wouldn't take Amsterdam's word quite so authoritatively here. Amsterdam and a few others on this board call it a robbery, most major publications said it was a close fight and a fair decision. He also had Ottke losing 7 times or something ridiculous like that. I had JMM close, but I could see where John would be a fair decision. Also, John's a defensive fighter, so it's tough to tell what landed well when you're not watching the fight on TV-quality video. JMM has the higher workrate and harder punches, but John is a precision fighter and makes the other guy miss a lot, so it's a hard style matchup to judge.

Who else did John face? Derrick Gainer, Tommy Browne, Jose Rojas twice. Not a murderer's row, but not a string of tomato cans either. All three were top 5 or so in the weight class when he fought them.

I'm not sure why Pac would want to make a John fight. There are enough other good fighters he could secure his legacy with, and John brings a small purse and is very dangerous. Also, John just isn't a particularly exciting fighter. Style-wise, he's like a miniature Chris Byrd, so I'm not sure many people would even want to see the fight.

[mad_takamura]

John KO2....pac has been avoiding John like the plague ever since their famous sparring matches in indonesia you serious? bet with me if ever pac vs chris ok? :good

[1punch1nder]

Who takes it? John carry the win over JMM while PAC not.
Both are currently dominant in their weight class.
So: Indonesia or Philliphines?

ALLBLACK?

[Morrissey]

ALLBLACK?

I don't think he is ALLBLACK.

ALLBLACK is a college student, while this guy posts like a 1st year HS student who was given free internet access that is why he keeps posting dumb thread like this.

I mean he has not seen any John's fights and yet, he thinks John will have a good chance as anyone to beat PAc just becasue John defeated JMM before.:huh

Sounds like the poster Expert more to me...

[Stinky gloves]

I don't think he is ALLBLACK.

ALLBLACK is a college student, while this guy posts like a 1st year HS student who was given free internet access that is why he keeps posting dumb thread like this.

I mean he has not seen any John's fights and yet, he thinks John will have a good chance as anyone to beat PAc just becasue John defeated JMM before.:huh

Sounds like the poster Expert more to me...

Good deduction :lol: :lol: :lol: and remember, I'm the Expert to you:deal :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now since everthing is clear you may finally post how do you see this fight ....

[Morrissey]

Good deduction :lol: :lol: :lol: and remember, I'm the Expert to you:deal :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now since everthing is clear you may finally post how do you see this fight ....

:lol:

Yeah, you are the clown ass Expert whom everyone here thinks is a retard..:yep

It is you who should give your thoughts on this match-up since you started this thread.:deal

But then, what can we expect from someone who has not seen the JMM-John fight and yet has the great audacity to match John against Pac just becasue of the fact that John won over JMM?

And that win was questionable, btw. Some even claimed it was a robbery.:hey

[Stinky gloves]

:lol:

Yeah, you are the clown ass Expert whom everyone here thinks is a retard..:yep

It is you who should give your thoughts on this match-up since you started this thread.:deal

But then, what can we expect from someone who has not seen the JMM-John fight and yet has the great audacity to match John against Pac just becasue of the fact that John won over JMM?

And that win was questionable, btw. Some even claimed it was a robbery.:hey

Ha ha, you the man, you know everything :admin
I guess we finally get closer to get your opinion on John-PAC fight :-((

[Alo2006]

I never seen Chris John fight. I here he's pretty good though.

[mad_takamura]

I never seen Chris John fight. I here he's pretty good though. in running.

[Stinky gloves]

in running.

So he have Mayweather style:lol: He may be #1 p4p very soon :thumbsup

[theHawtness]

John KO2....pac has been avoiding John like the plague ever since their famous sparring matches in indonesia
:finger

[theunderdog]

i'm really curious how john would respond to figthing under the bright lights. some asian fighters shine and some buckle when fighting in the big league.

i'd say since in jin chi vacated his title to linares. start banging the freaking drums for a john-linares unification and the best part is it could happen as linares fights out of japan. the winner should move up to 130 for better fights and bigger paydays fighting guys like soto and guzman first before taking on either jmm or pac

[WhataRock]

i'm really curious how john would respond to figthing under the bright lights. some asian fighters shine and some buckle when fighting in the big league.

i'd say since in jin chi vacated his title to linares. start banging the freaking drums for a john-linares unification and the best part is it could happen as linares fights out of japan. the winner should move up to 130 for better fights and bigger paydays fighting guys like soto and guzman first before taking on either jmm or pac

Thats true.

He should be forcing the issue more in America, nothing wrong with fighting in Asia, especially in Japan where the coin is good. But its obvious the big fights from 122-130 are in the U.S at the moment.

[Boom_Boom]

i had it 10 rds to 2 for JMM
John only really had 1 convincing round
John did nothing but throw weak jabs to counter Marquez's combinations

oh well cant feel sorry for him, he chose to fight in a parking lot for peanuts than rematch with the ring champion.

[WhataRock]

i had it 10 rds to 2 for JMM
John only really had 1 convincing round
John did nothing but throw weak jabs to counter Marquez's combinations

oh well cant feel sorry for him, he chose to fight in a parking lot for peanuts than rematch with the ring champion.

Though it probably had a lot to do with him.

That dickhead manager of his didnt help to situation, thats the guy who is getting paid to give you sound career advice, especially on financial situations.
Its only JMM's talent that has allowed him to salvage his career.

[Boom_Boom]

i had it 10 rds to 2 for JMM
John only really had 1 convincing round
John did nothing but throw weak jabs to counter Marquez's combinations

oh well cant feel sorry for him, he chose to fight in a parking lot for peanuts than rematch with the ring champion.

BTW

i just read that John's people will make an offer to JMM for a rematch in December but it will have to be at 126.

I sincerely doubt JMM will take it, but there is hope for those who want to see a rematch.

[theunderdog]

BTW

i just read that John's people will make an offer to JMM for a rematch in December but it will have to be at 126.

I sincerely doubt JMM will take it, but there is hope for those who want to see a rematch.

jmm won't take that. he has a major money fight with pac lined up. absolutely no sense in either pac or jmm fighting anyone else other than each other.

[divac]

BTW

i just read that John's people will make an offer to JMM for a rematch in December but it will have to be at 126.

I sincerely doubt JMM will take it, but there is hope for those who want to see a rematch.If you indeed read that Boom_Boom, I'm certain it's one of those bullcrap offers that are just for show.
The John team know very well that JMM has bigger fish to fry at 130 lbs, and that there is no need to move down to 126 lbs for JMM to prove he can easily disect John once again.

In other words, there's no need for a John rematch for the sake of correcting a corrupted hometown decision. Especially vs the likes of John who has'nt fought anyone close to the caliber of JMM for people to take notice.

On second thought, since Bob Arum will most likely stall the Pac-JMM fight till late 2008 or even early 2009, maybe JMM can use John (if John is willing to fight at 130 lbs) as a tuneup.

I propose GBP make John a 35k offer to fight JMM in Mexico!:D

[divac]

Who knows? JMM might back out again for not agreeing to a lower purse in his fight w/ Pac. Then, he'll go to Jakarta to fight John for $70,000. You can't predict how transvestite think.

C'mon domngo, a post like that magnifies the obvious fact that you are bitter for the schooling that Pac had to go through at the hands of JMM.......that you feel that need to diminish JMM by linking him to something unrelated to boxing!

Get with the program friend and post boxing!:bbb :deal

[divac]

i had it 10 rds to 2 for JMM
John only really had 1 convincing round
John did nothing but throw weak jabs to counter Marquez's combinations

oh well cant feel sorry for him, he chose to fight in a parking lot for peanuts than rematch with the ring champion.

:happy Thank you Boom_Boom.

When the JMM-John fight was first circulating the internet, I was bomabarded by a few here for my one sided scoring of the fight.

It's refreshing for me to see that a Pac fan is honest to post the truth!:good

[mad_takamura]

So he have Mayweather style:lol: He may be #1 p4p very soon :thumbsup he should also learn to rap and put up a title like chris indonecheater :happy

[runnynose]

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Here's I guess the best round John did to Marquez!!! You be the judge.
Chris John seemed to frustrate JMM at every turn, but he would not launch his own offense, probably confident that he would win by just staying upright.

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By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Obviously looking to make a name for himself WBA featherweight champion Chris “The Dragon” John says he wants “to fight the winner of the October 6 Manny Pacquiao-Marco Antonio Barrera rematch.”

Egged on by former all-time great Jeff Fenech and trainer Craig Christian John went to the extent of saying that “maybe Barrera can win. I think he can come back, but a fight with Manny Pacquiao will be a great fight as well when I move up to junior lightweight.”

The Indonesian champion who is undefeated with a record of 40-0-1 with 21 knockouts was quoted by the Australian website *********.com which also reported that John, with the backing of Fenech, was “about to embark on a training program to beef him up to 130 pounds for an assault on Filipino idol Manny Pacquiao.”

Fenech sought to sell the idea of a Pacquiao-John fight by saying that the Indonesian is “a brilliant fighter” and although Fenech claimed he was a big Pacquiao fan he said Pacquiao “has a wild style and I see some weaknesses there in his defense. Chris is pretty much the perfect package in terms of balance, jab and defensive skills.”

Trainer Christian said he wants John to have a warm-up fight at 130 pounds before he fights any of the big names, adding that Pacquiao was the ultimate target.

Christian was quoted as telling well-known and respected boxing writer Paul Upham they will have John on a training program which will “put him right up there with Pacquiao in power and strength.”

John remained unbeaten when he forced Japanese challenger Zaiki Takemoto (21-7-1, 12 KO’s) to retire after round nine. John had earlier dropped the Takemoto in the sixth and eighth rounds

[Brickhaus]

He can want whatever he wants to, but if he wants a big name, he needs to fight a mid-sized name somewhere in the west first. Unfortunately, like most Asian fighters, he doesn't seem to question his promoter much, and I doubt that step will get taken unless GBP (his US co-promoter) really asserts themselves, which they don't have a major reason to do until Barerra runs out of gas.

[41fever]

Who takes it? John carry the win over JMM while PAC not.
Both are currently dominant in their weight class.
So: Indonesia or Philliphines?
Have u seen the John vs JMM fight???

JMM took that, those Judges were crooked. JOhn is a really good boxer though.

[psychopath]

He can want whatever he wants to, but if he wants a big name, he needs to fight a mid-sized name somewhere in the west first. Unfortunately, like most Asian fighters, he doesn't seem to question his promoter much, and I doubt that step will get taken unless GBP (his US co-promoter) really asserts themselves, which they don't have a major reason to do until Barerra runs out of gas.

Well his team is talking of taking a tune up at 130 first . . . maybe he can line himself up to take a shot of the winner of the Guzman/Soto fight or if not challenge Valero in Japan. The latter is the one most likely to happen.:yep

[retriever]

Pac by TKO