Manny Pacquiao vs. Naseem Hamed

[Luigi1985]

Who wins at Featherweight and why?

[knockout]

Pac would beat with a blink of an eye and a flick of his wrist.

[Sweet Science]

Hamed would knock Pac Man out early because Manny would try and trade.

[paddydog]

i really cannot believe this is a real thread pac man would kill the prince, he was a total flash in the pan, naseem was always overrated and a total ass to boot

[ThePlugInBabies]

i really cannot believe this is a real thread pac man would kill the prince, he was a total flash in the pan, naseem was always overrated and a total ass to boot

you think walking straight at naz and looking to trade with him is a good idea? especially when you take into account the angles he throws at and his absolutely massive power?

maybe you need to think this one over a bit more.

[Holmes' Jab]

Hamed mid-late TKO. Style-wise this matchup may well be Pacquiao's biggest nightmare.

[CASH_718]

i really cannot believe this is a real thread pac man would kill the prince, he was a total flash in the pan, naseem was always overrated and a total ass to bootFlash in the pan???? The guy owned the Featherweight division for 5 years.

[CASH_718]

Oh and The Prince KO's Pac in 5. You don't come at Naz like that and survive to tell the story.

[Luigi1985]

Both fighters are pretty overrated, not only the Prince. IMO Manny´s mistake would be, to brawl in the inside, and that wouldn´t be that intelligent against one of the hardest FW-punchers of all times, IMO, Pacquiao, on points slightly ahead in a spectacular fight, would get KO´d in the midrounds...


Hamed KO 8 Pacquiao

[young griffo]

Pacman powders Hameds arse in 7.

[Carlos Primera]

posted this in another thread

imo truly a 50/50 fight

a lot of you guys are saying that hamed catches pac when he comes in, or some nonsense like that, but what do you think happens when pac catches hamed clean first, with his hands down? no doubt hamed had a good chin, but i dont think that he'd just take pac's left and smile, if pac managed to send the iron chinned morales back a few feet in their second fight, and lift that thai dude off the canvas with an uppercut, then i dont think it's ridiculous to say that pac floors hamed. imo pac gets uderrated in this regard. dont forget pac's also one of the best finishers in the game, and if hamed goes down pac makes sure he stays down.

[Luigi1985]

posted this in another thread

imo truly a 50/50 fight

truly 50/50

a lot of you guys are saying that hamed catches pac when he comes in, or some nonsense like that, but what do you think happens when pac catches hamed clean first, with his hands down? no doubt hamed had a good chin, but i dont think that he'd just take pac's left and smile, if pac managed to send the iron chinned morales back a few feet in their second fight, and lift that thai dude off the canvas with an uppercut, then i dont think it's ridiculous to say that pac floors hamed. imo pac gets uderrated in this regard. dont forget pac's also one of the best finishers in the game, and if hamed goes down pac makes sure he's down.


No, no, of course Manny could KO Hamed, that´s why I created this thread, because IMO it would be a great fight, probably without any chance to go to the full route. But I think Hamed´s chin was a bit better, also his power, and he had such an unortodox fight style, you never knew what did he next, that´s why I favour him slightly...

[Holmes' Jab]

Pacman powders Hameds arse in 7.

I think the polar opposite would happen, but hey.;)

Do you really envisage Pacquiao's kamikaze style working in his favour against a slick, unorthadox counterpuncher (and heavy hitter) like Hamed.

[Nemesis]

With all due respect, Pacquaio wouldnt make it out of the first round.

[Nemesis]

I think the polar opposite would happen, but hey.;)

Do you really envisage Pacquiao's kamikaze style working in his favour against a slick, unorthadox counterpuncher (and heavy hitter) like Hamed.

Its interesting. Hamed evokes emotions and opinions unrationally on even our most knowledgeable of posters such as McVey & Griffo, logic goes out the window. :D

[puga_ni_nana]

posted this in another thread

imo truly a 50/50 fight

a lot of you guys are saying that hamed catches pac when he comes in, or some nonsense like that, but what do you think happens when pac catches hamed clean first, with his hands down? no doubt hamed had a good chin, but i dont think that he'd just take pac's left and smile, if pac managed to send the iron chinned morales back a few feet in their second fight, and lift that thai dude off the canvas with an uppercut, then i dont think it's ridiculous to say that pac floors hamed. imo pac gets uderrated in this regard. dont forget pac's also one of the best finishers in the game, and if hamed goes down pac makes sure he stays down.


good post! :good
i think most people here underrate pac's speed, power and workrate. they only see that pac will brawl and go straight to hamed and be hit.

[Sweet Science]

The problem Pacman would have is he'd attempt to trade with Hamed. The warriors trait in him wouldn't have it any other way. That would be his downfall because he would end up getting knocked out. I'm assuming were talking about a well trained and conditioned Naz from say 1996 when he was at his best.

[young griffo]

With all due respect, Pacquaio wouldnt make it out of the first round.:lol: :lol:
With all due respect you're full of shit when it comes to Hamed.
I laugh when I think of Hamed clowning with his hands by his sides against Pacquiao as it's a recipe for disaster.
Manny with his handspeed,reach advantage,and huge power would be able to tag Hamed clean with great regularity and I'd be very surprised if Hamed could stand up to this for round after round.
Naseem has a punchers chance but Manny's chin has gotten sturdier as he's developed and I doubt that Hamed would get enough punches off under Pacman's relentless attack to seriously bother him.
I'm a Hamed sceptic purely because I thought he was going to be an ATG and he didn't achieve nearly enough imo whereas Manny's already destroyed two great fighters so that's enough for me to favour him heavily.

[Holmes' Jab]

"It's a style thang"

Pac's is a poor matchup vs Hamed. Simple.

[Sweet Science]

Most people don't like Hamed, and are unfairly biased against him.

People normally dismiss him for 1 or both of the following reasons:

1. He was an arrogant outspoken dickhead

or

2. They haven't seen his fights before Kevin Kelley, by which time he was an accident waiting to happen (no pun intended).

[puga_ni_nana]

The problem Pacman would have is he'd attempt to trade with Hamed. The warriors trait in him wouldn't have it any other way. That would be his downfall because he would end up getting knocked out. I'm assuming were talking about a well trained and conditioned Naz from say 1996 when he was at his best.

no. pac will not attempt to trade with hamed. he will tag him first and if hamed can survive, that is where his chance is. imo, hamed's chances in this match-up is purely a puncher's chance. whereas pac, has the greater chance of ko due to his speed and workrate plus don't forget that he also has power though not as powerful as hamed.

[Sweet Science]

no. pac will not attempt to trade with hamed. he will tag him first and if hamed can survive, that is where his chance is. imo, hamed's chances in this match-up is purely a puncher's chance. whereas pac, has the greater chance of ko due to his speed and workrate plus don't forget that he also has power though not as powerful as hamed.

Have you actually seen Hamed fight at his best?

You seem to be dismissing his skills, he was very elusive in 1996, and had great reflexes. He would have much more than just a punchers chance. You would know this if you saw him fight pre Kevin Kelley.

[Nemesis]

:lol: :lol:
With all due respect you're full of shit when it comes to Hamed.
I laugh when I think of Hamed clowning with his hands by his sides against Pacquiao as it's a recipe for disaster.
Manny with his handspeed,reach advantage,and huge power would be able to tag Hamed clean with great regularity and I'd be very surprised if Hamed could stand up to this for round after round.
Naseem has a punchers chance but Manny's chin has gotten sturdier as he's developed and I doubt that Hamed would get enough punches off under Pacman's relentless attack to seriously bother him.
I'm a Hamed sceptic purely because I thought he was going to be an ATG and he didn't achieve nearly enough imo whereas Manny's already destroyed two great fighters so that's enough for me to favour him heavily.

If only you'd read my next post, aahhhhh i dont know

[young griffo]

Manny destroyed two past his prime greats and when he met a very good fighter in his prime he got schooled for 11 rounds.
Hamed doesn´t need to take punishment round for round because with his fast feets and good upper body movement combined with his good reflexes he would avoid most of Pac´s punches. Pac is a very good fighter but so is Hamed and stylewise Pac is just made for the Prince.
Didn't I just see Barrera more than holding his own against one of the best in the world in JM Marquez recently.He looked to still have plenty in the tank to me and Manny cleaned him up 4 years ago.
Hamed's defense wasn't impervious to punishment and he'd still have to get inside Manny's danger zone if he wanted to land anything of his own given his reach disadvantage,and herein lies the risk.
Reflexes are fine but well rounded fundamental defensive skill allows you to avoid even more punishment and I'm not convinced Naz possessed those skills.
Look I don't want to wear the black hat and be the resident Hamed hater as I was a big fan of his when he fought (having first seen him in 1996 when I was in England) but he dissappointed me and I refuse to make him an automatic favourite over a class fighter like Manny.

[young griffo]

If only you'd read my next post, aahhhhh i dont know
Thanks for classing me as knowledgable (which compared to some of the good folks here yourself included, I'm not) and I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone but I just disagree with you on Hamed here.
I'm coming across as a hater in regards to Naseem,but I actually liked him a lot when he fought.His cockiness bugged me but I never thought it was nasty or malicious unlike a James Toney,but he could have done so much more with the ability and power he had rather than basically quit after a lone honourable loss to a great fighter.
I feel cheated by Hamed is all.

[puga_ni_nana]

Have you actually seen Hamed fight at his best?

You seem to be dismissing his skills, he was very elusive in 1996, and had great reflexes. He would have much more than just a punchers chance. You would know this if you saw him fight pre Kevin Kelley.

fighting at his best could have something to do with the level of his opponents. against local fighters, he seemed very elusive and can showboat his boxing skills. as he raised the level of competition, he is being exposed little by little.

so how do you think hamed will beat pac if they fought?

[Jack]

Where are people getting this "You can't trade with naseem" nonsense from? Kelley did and gave Hamed a beating. Alright, he lost, but it's Kevin kelley. Hardly a good fighter was he?

Put the Pacquiao of today in the exact same position Hamed was when he fought Kelley, and the fight wouldn't last 3 rounds. Pacquiao would waste him.

Pacquiao of 2007 is simply a better fighter than Hamed. He has more boxing skills and almost as much power. His straight punching would give hamed more problems than he could handle.

Pacquiao KO 7.

Morales and Marquez would also beat Hamed.

[asa]

pac's chin is underrated

[Sweet Science]

fighting at his best could have something to do with the level of his opponents. against local fighters, he seemed very elusive and can showboat his boxing skills. as he raised the level of competition, he is being exposed little by little.

so how do you think hamed will beat pac if they fought?

The biggest myth about Hamed was that he was exposed when he faced world class opposition. He wasn't exposed by Barrera, he was already finished way before he stepped in the ring against Barrera. It wasn't his level of opponents, Naseem was his own worst enemy. Not training, was what eroded his skills.

Watch his fights against Said Lawal, Steve Robinson or even Manuel Madina, then tell me if that is the same man who fought Barrara or Kevin Kelley. His reflexes were dull, he'd lost sharpness due to lack of training. This was not due to him being exposed against a greater of fighter. The clown you saw in the ring could'nt get away with the shit he did because he wasn't the same fighter, washed up at a scandelously young age. He wasn't made to look bad by the world class opposition, he was just plain out of condition and wasn't any good by the time you saw him.

Against Pacquiao, Hamed would simply beat him to the punch with his lightning reflexes and knock him out cold, early. Everyone will laugh and disagree with me here, but Hamed would have knocked the fuck out of Barrera (just like Jones Jr), Morales and Pacquiao - had he fought them when he was actually any good. He would have been a legend, but instead he is just a has been and he has himself to blame for that.

[Sweet Science]

Where are people getting this "You can't trade with naseem" nonsense from? Kelley did and gave Hamed a beating. Alright, he lost, but it's Kevin kelley. Hardly a good fighter was he?



You can't trade with the Naseem from 1996.
Kevin Kelley fought a washed up Hamed.

[Sweet Science]

Naseem Hamed was nothing but a manufactured hype-job who barely knew how to box, survived on nothing but power, and whose best win consisted of having to get off the floor to stop Kevin Kelley. And his management only selected Kelley because he'd been looking like damaged goods for the couple of years since his loss to Gonzalez.

He boxed in this ridiculous "unorthodox" style that was only "confusing" to domestic-level UK bums. Against Barerra he was exposed as just plain not being able to box. I don't mean he wasn't able to pile up points with flashy moves or whatever, I mean he was just plain deficient in basic boxing skills that he should have picked up as an amateur. If Barerra hadn't been overly respectful of Hamed's power, he'd have stepped on the gas and knocked the Prince out.

Pacquiao isn't the God of Boxing some of his rabid supporters make him out to be, but he's a seasoned, proven fighter with stoppage victories over Barerra and Morales that are better than any wins on Hamed's record.

He will come to trade, and it'll be absolutely unlike anything the Prince has ever faced before. If a shopworn Kevin Kelley can repeatedly deck Hamed and force him to the brink of disaster, Pacquiao will fucking destroy him. It's convenient how he was "over the hill" just as he finally started to fight anyone halfway good.

Pac KO4 Hamed. One-sided fight.

"Naseem Hamed was nothing but a manufactured hype-job"

What?! We're not talking about the spice girls here.


Yet another person who hasn't seen Hamed fight pre Kevin Kelley.

If you only saw Mike Tyson fight post prison you'd
think he was all hype too.

[fists of fury]

Most people don't like Hamed, and are unfairly biased against him.

People normally dismiss him for 1 or both of the following reasons:

1. He was an arrogant outspoken dickhead

or

2. They haven't seen his fights before Kevin Kelley, by which time he was an accident waiting to happen (no pun intended).

And by the same token, most who overrate him are British.

I don't know who wins, but it would have been a hell of a fight.

[Sweet Science]

And by the same token, most who overrate him are British.

I don't know who wins, but it would have been a hell of a fight.

Yes I'm British, but that does not cloud my judgment. I think Lennox Lewis is overrated and Joe Calzaghe is an overrated slapper who only beat a 1 dimentional fighter in Lacy.

[fists of fury]

Fair enough.

Few though, however objective they try to be, rarely truly are. (Me included.)

[Jack]

You can't trade with the Naseem from 1996.
Kevin Kelley fought a washed up Hamed.
Hamed wasn't washed up. Maybe he was slightly past hsi physical prime, but the guy had such an easy career against nobodies before 1996, he couldn't possibly be past it. Who, apart from Medina, actually gave him a good, close fight?

He wasn't washed up at all.

[Sweet Science]

Hamed wasn't washed up. Maybe he was slightly past hsi physical prime, but the guy had such an easy career against nobodies before 1996, he couldn't possibly be past it. Who, apart from Medina, actually gave him a good, close fight?

He wasn't washed up at all.


He was washed up, because he didn't train. At that point his ego was the size of Mount Kilimanjaro and he thought he didn't need to train and just relied on power. His skills were eroded as a result and his reflexes paled in comparison to what they once were.

So when I say he was washed up, it's not in the traditional sense i.e. passed it, due to old age or battle worn. He was washed up because he simply didn't train and once he stopped training properly he was never the same again.

[puga_ni_nana]

The biggest myth about Hamed was that he was exposed when he faced world class opposition. He wasn't exposed by Barrera, he was already finished way before he stepped in the ring against Barrera. It wasn't his level of opponents, Naseem was his own worst enemy. Not training, was what eroded his skills.

Watch his fights against Said Lawal, Steve Robinson or even Manuel Madina, then tell me if that is the same man who fought Barrara or Kevin Kelley. His reflexes were dull, he'd lost sharpness due to lack of training. This was not due to him being exposed against a greater of fighter. The clown you saw in the ring could'nt get away with the shit he did because he wasn't the same fighter, washed up at a scandelously young age. He wasn't made to look bad by the world class opposition, he was just plain out of condition and wasn't any good by the time you saw him.

Against Pacquiao, Hamed would simply beat him to the punch with his lightning reflexes and knock him out cold, early. Everyone will laugh and disagree with me here, but Hamed would have knocked the fuck out of Barrera (just like Jones Jr), Morales and Pacquiao - had he fought them when he was actually any good. He would have been a legend, but instead he is just a has been and he has himself to blame for that.

during 1996, hamed reigns at featherweight but at the same time luisito espinosa reigns at the same division. espinosa was pushing for a fight with hamed but i guess hamed doesn't want anything to do with espinosa and chose to fight medina whom espinosa defeated before. that was my first impression of hamed.

now you are saying, that a 1996 Hamed would have knocked pac, barrera and morales when during that time, he was ducking an old champion by the name of espinosa.

[Sweet Science]

during 1996, hamed reigns at featherweight but at the same time luisito espinosa reigns at the same division. espinosa was pushing for a fight with hamed but i guess hamed doesn't want anything to do with espinosa and chose to fight medina whom espinosa defeated before. that was my first impression of hamed.

now you are saying, that a 1996 Hamed would have knocked pac, barrera and morales when during that time, he was ducking an old champion by the name of espinosa.

Naseem Hamed ducked Luisito Espinosa!? :nut

Yes, of course and I'm sure you were privy to all negotiations with Hamed and Espinosa at the time. As you were probably a special advisor to Espinosa in 1996 before he uncerimoniously fired you for his financial irregularities.

[puga_ni_nana]

Naseem Hamed ducked Luisito Espinosa!? :nut

Yes, of course and I'm sure you were privy to all negotiations with Hamed and Espinosa at the time. As you were probably a special advisor to Espinosa in 1996 before he uncerimoniously fired you for his financial irregularities.

though it is hard for you to believe, that is the case. espinosa could be after the purse in fighting hamed but there is no denying that hamed did not entertain the notion of fighting espinosa during their long reign as champions. instead he went for medina.

as for the 1996 hamed who will beat pac to the punch and knock barrera and morales, he could be in the same league as far as talent with the likes of pac, barrera and morales but he lacks the discipline and the especially the "heart" to beat those three great fighters.

[ThePlugInBabies]

though it is hard for you to believe, that is the case. espinosa could be after the purse in fighting hamed but there is no denying that hamed did not entertain the notion of fighting espinosa during their long reign as champions. instead he went for medina.

sources, evidence and proof or stfu! too many posts on this forum with 'x ducked z!!' with their only proof being the two fighters didn't meet in the ring.

[Sweet Science]

though it is hard for you to believe, that is the case. espinosa could be after the purse in fighting hamed but there is no denying that hamed did not entertain the notion of fighting espinosa during their long reign as champions. instead he went for medina.

as for the 1996 hamed who will beat pac to the punch and knock barrera and morales, he could be in the same league as far as talent with the likes of pac, barrera and morales but he lacks the discipline and the especially the "heart" to beat those three great fighters.

He lacked discipline when he didn't train, when he did train he was very disciplined and didn't just rely on his power. Around the time he fought Kevin Kelly his training had become a joke I suspect this is around the time you probably first saw him.

I don't see how he lacked heart in the ring, even later when he had become a joke he showed a great deal of heart getting up from the canvass and fighting on to win. Like I said earlier, he was never the same man or fighter after he stopped training. His heart and passion wasn't fully in the fight game anymore. His last fight with Calvo is evidence of this. That's why he never came back.

We don't know why the Espinosa fight never materialised but it's laughable that you think Hamed would duck Espinosa. He always felt he could knock anyone out and at one time in 1996 he was dead right.

[Sweet Science]

Hamed whipped a few solid but unspectacular guys like Johnson and Bungu, had to fight for his life to get past a shopworn Kelley, and was defeated with laughable ease by the first truly elite fighter he faced. If he were a black guy from Chicago you wouldn't even remember his name right now.

What the hell do you mean by that?

What has race got to do with anything?


You're really beginning to piss me off.
You sound like you have some serious issues you need to work out.

You might judge fighters by the colour of their skin and which part of the wolrd they happen to be born in but I certainly don't, it doesn't even come into the equation. Don't judge me by your pathetic standards by assuming I have a prejudiced attitude, as you clearly do.

[Sweet Science]

Hamed whipped a few solid but unspectacular guys like Johnson and Bungu, had to fight for his life to get past a shopworn Kelley, and was defeated with laughable ease by the first truly elite fighter he faced. If he were a black guy from Chicago you wouldn't even remember his name right now.

What the hell do you mean by that?

What has race got to do with anything?


You're really beginning to piss me off.
You sound like you have some serious issues you need to work out.

You might judge fighters by the colour of their skin and which part of the world they happen to be born in but I certainly don't, it doesn't even come into the equation. Don't judge me by your pathetic standards by assuming I have a prejudiced attitude, as you clearly do.

[rekcutnevets]

When an right handed fighter faces a left handed fighter, the fighters with their lead foot on the outside has a better chance of landing power punches. The fighters with their lead foot on the inside has their jab lining up better.

None of this comes into play in this bout. There're both southpaws.

If Hamed were being pressed by an orthodox fighter, his staight left would come into play more. It won't line up against Pacquiao the same way it does against a right handed fighter with a better defense.

Pacquiao's speed and work rate would expose the flaws in Hamed's style that some weaker less active fighters failed to do. He wouldn't have the same opportunities to wind up and spring on Pacquiao. Pac would not respect his distance the way other fighters do.

I see Pacquiao by later round stoppage, and I am not one that thought Naseem was all that overrated. I picked Barrera to beat him, but I thought it would have been more similar to the way I think Pacquiao would than the way he did it. I also didn't take into account his height and reach advantage over Hamed.

[Thinman]

When an right handed fighter faces a left handed fighter, the fighters with their lead foot on the outside has a better chance of landing power punches. The fighters with their lead foot on the inside has their jab lining up better.

None of this comes into play in this bout. There're both southpaws.

If Hamed were being pressed by an orthodox fighter, his staight left would come into play more. It won't line up against Pacquiao the same way it does against a right handed fighter with a better defense.

Pacquiao's speed and work rate would expose the flaws in Hamed's style that some weaker less active fighters failed to do. He wouldn't have the same opportunities to wind up and spring on Pacquiao. Pac would not respect his distance the way other fighters do.

I see Pacquiao by later round stoppage, and I am not one that thought Naseem was all that overrated. I picked Barrera to beat him, but I thought it would have been more similar to the way I think Pacquiao would than the way he did it. I also didn't take into account his height and reach advantage over Hamed.

This fight is kind of difficult for me to say who is going to win. I think the one that takes control in the first 3/4 rounds migh have the best chance to ko the other one. I am saying KO because I think this fight would have ended like that, KO or TKO.

However, not all the time fights go that way, and therefore I would like to ask all of you a simple question... who do you think could win if the fight goes the distance?

[Sweet Science]

If some guy named Terry Jenkins from Illinois had punched out Vuyani Bungu and Tom Johnson, been decked repeatedly in winning a brawl with a faded Kelley, and then been utterly outclassed by Barrera, you wouldn't rate him for shit. But he's a fucking Brit, so somehow his weak-ass resume suddenly makes him an ATG. Yeah right.

You really are a 1st class retard aren't you.

I don't give a shit if he's British. Most British fighters are way overrated and I openly admit that. I think Lennox Lewis is overrated, and Joe Calzaghe is an overrated slapper who only ever beat a 1 dimentional fighter in Lacy. I think Ricky Hatton is a pretty good fighter but I am under no illusions when it comes to his match up against Mayweather. I know Mayweather has too much class for him, is too slick and will end up winning a comfortable UD. I also think Hatton would probably get his arse handed to him by Cotto, and get schooled by Mosely.

Oh yeah I just love British fighers and I'm obviously so biased in favour of them.

See if you can grow another brain cell because the one you've got must be getting lonely.

[young griffo]

You really are a 1st class retard aren't you.

I don't give a shit if he's British. Most British fighters are way overrated and I openly admit that. I think Lennox Lewis is overrated, and Joe Calzaghe is an overrated slapper who only ever beat a 1 dimentional fighter in Lacy. I think Ricky Hatton is a pretty good fighter but I am under no illusions when it comes to his match up against Mayweather. I know Mayweather has too much class for him, is too slick and will end up winning a comfortable UD. I also think Hatton would probably get his arse handed to him by Cotto, and get schooled by Mosely.

Oh yeah I just love British fighers and I'm obviously so biased in favour of them.

See if you can grow another brain cell because the one you've got must be getting lonely.
Maybe your're a teency weency bit biased towards British fighters who share your religion (I'm assumuing you're a muslim),but that's okay.I have a tendency to favour Australian fighters in head to head match ups,which I'll happily admit is bias on my part.
Out of interest do you think Amir Khan could do as well as Hamed?
I only ask as I've yet to see him fight as a professional but did see him as an amateur and he was very impressive.

[Sweet Science]

Maybe your're a teency weency bit biased towards British fighters who share your religion (I'm assumuing you're a muslim),but that's okay.I have a tendency to favour Australian fighters in head to head match ups,which I'll happily admit is bias on my part.
Out of interest do you think Amir Khan could do as well as Hamed?
I only ask as I've yet to see him fight as a professional but did see him as an amateur and he was very impressive.

Hey Young Griffo, I know what you're saying. I am a Muslim, but seriously, it doesn't cloud my judgement. Believe it or not when Naseem was fighting I used to really hate him and wanted him to lose badly. His arrogance and attitude used to really get under my skin, plus the fact that he didn't show an ounce of respect to any fighter. What really bothered me about Hamed was that he was a very bad example of a Muslim who didn't know the virtues of humility and being humble. His antics and lack of sportmanship pissed me off too. Why did he have to come to the ring with the Islamic call to prayer? And also make his oponents wait an eternity before he arrived in the ring due to his OTT ring entrances. Seriously, I did not like the guy at all and hated his attitude.

However, earlier in his career I did appreciate his boxing style, reflexes and frightning power. But then he let his ego get the better of him, stopped training seriously and showed a distinct lack of loyalty in getting rid of his lifetime trainer Brendan Ingle. I remember when he signed to fight Barrera, I could see the writing on the wall. I used to tell all my friends Barrera would beat him and they thought I was crazy. I remember the night of the fight, I was watching with lots of my friends. I was cheering Barrera all the way while they could not believe what was happening. Although, I always found Hamed entertaining and know he could have been something special if he'd not have thrown it away.

I don't think Amir Khan will do as well as Hamed. He has some skills (mainly his speed) but he lacks power and his chin worries me a great deal. What does impress me about Khan is his heart, he was knocked down in his last fight and was really hanging from a thread. However, he shook it off and showed good determination against Limond (but who is Limond? hardly a decent fighter let alone world class). Khan needs to tighten up on some fundamental errors e.g. Keeping his hands high. He could prove me wrong and become a world champion some day and age is on his side, but unless he improves drastically, at the moment I just don't see it. Khan is highly overrated in England due to his performance at the olympics.

[young griffo]

Hey Young Griffo, I know what you're saying. I am a Muslim, but seriously, it doesn't cloud my judgement. Believe it or not when Naseem was fighting I used to really hate him and wanted him to lose badly. His arrogance and attitude used to really get under my skin, plus the fact that he didn't show an ounce of respect to any fighter. What really bothered me about Hamed was that he was a very bad example of a Muslim who didn't know the virtues of humility and being humble. His antics and lack of sportmanship pissed me off too. Why did he have to come to the ring with the Islamic call to prayer? And also make his oponents wait an eternity before he arrived in the ring due to his OTT ring entrances. Seriously, I did not like the guy at all and hated his attitude.

However, earlier in his career I did appreciate his boxing style, reflexes and frightning power. But then he let his ego get the better of him, stopped training seriously and showed a distinct lack of loyalty in getting rid of his lifetime trainer Brendan Ingle. I remember when he signed to fight Barrera, I could see the writing on the wall. I used to tell all my friends Barrera would beat him and they thought I was crazy. I remember the night of the fight, I was watching with lots of my friends. I was cheering Barrera all the way while they could not believe what was happening. Although, I always found Hamed entertaining and know he could have been something special if he'd not have thrown it away.

I don't think Amir Khan will do as well as Hamed. He has some skills (mainly his speed) but he lacks power and his chin worries me a great deal. What does impress me about Khan is his heart, he was knocked down in his last fight and was really hanging from a thread. However, he shook it off and showed good determination against Limond (but who is Limond? hardly a decent fighter let alone world class). Khan needs to tighten up on some fundamental errors e.g. Keeping his hands high. He could be prove me wrong and become a world champion some day and age is on his side, but unless he improves drastically, at the moment I just don't see it. Khan is highly overrated in England due to his performance at the olympics.
Thanks for taking the time to write such a thorough post mate:good
Like I said I haven't seen much of Khan but as a person he's a lot more likable than Hamed as he seems a nice, humble, kid from a good family.
I'll take back my comment from my earlier post as your assessment of Hamed (while not agreeing with everything you wrote) was very fair and honest.

[Sweet Science]

Thanks for taking the time to write such a thorough post mate:good
Like I said I haven't seen much of Khan but as a person he's a lot more likable than Hamed as he seems a nice, humble, kid from a good family.
I'll take back my comment from my earlier post as your assessment of Hamed (while not agreeing with everything you wrote) was very fair and honest.

:good Nice one mate.