Could Pacquiao win a belt at 140 or higher? [Archive]

Jack

08-20-2007, 12:36 PM

I just looked at the thread about him vs. Diaz, and I think he could go even further than 135. H'd beat the fucking shit out of Gavin Rees and probably stop him within 6 rounds. Could he beat Malignagi too? Probably not, but I wouldn't bet against it. Malignaggi is perfect for Pac, but has a lot of physical advantages on him.

Could he go further? Almost impossible, I think, but if he did, his legacy would be set.

I think he could collect a belt at 135 and 140lbs.

jopez707

08-20-2007, 12:50 PM

I dont think so, A lot of guys that fight @ 140..or so...are guys that are naturally 150 or higher. The size difference would be huge...Pac's power wouldnt have the same effect.

Alo2006

08-20-2007, 01:00 PM

No, I don't think he can win any at 135 at this time.

platnumpapi

08-20-2007, 01:02 PM

Morrissey

08-20-2007, 06:26 PM

At 135, against David Diaz, he has a good chance.

Against all others, he would be hard pressed.

Heck, he has not even dominated 130 yet.

brooklyn1550

08-20-2007, 06:28 PM

At 135, but not at 140 or higher

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 06:43 PM

PAC may easily go up to light middleweight and win following titles.

135 - WBC David Diaz
140 - WBA Gavin Rees, 27(13)-0-0, height 5′ 3″
147 - NO
154 - WBC Mayweather

hellblazer

08-20-2007, 07:12 PM

135 yes, 140 no. Those guys at Super Lightweight are too big for Pac, in terms of height and size. He will get killed for sure (from 106-140? lol)

compukiller

08-20-2007, 07:15 PM

PAC may easily go up to light middleweight and win following titles.

135 - WBC David Diaz
140 - WBA Gavin Rees, 27(13)-0-0, height 5′ 3″
147 - NO
154 - WBC Mayweather

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

psychopath

08-20-2007, 07:37 PM

140 or higher? I really doubt it. :think

knockout

08-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Well i think he has a better chance at 135 not 140.

psychopath

08-20-2007, 07:40 PM

PAC may easily go up to light middleweight and win following titles.

135 - WBC David Diaz
140 - WBA Gavin Rees, 27(13)-0-0, height 5′ 3″
147 - NO
154 - WBC Mayweather

What the fuck are you saying shithead? :think

You're stupidity never stop to amaze me. :yep

Pimp C

08-20-2007, 07:41 PM

PAC may easily go up to light middleweight and win following titles.

135 - WBC David Diaz
140 - WBA Gavin Rees, 27(13)-0-0, height 5′ 3″
147 - NO
154 - WBC Mayweather
:lol: :rofl :yep

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 07:53 PM

What the fuck are you saying shithead? :think

You're stupidity never stop to amaze me. :yep

So you wanna argue about which point?

Bangis

08-20-2007, 07:53 PM

No, I don't think he can win any at 135 at this time.

i think PAC takes david diaz....

psychopath

08-20-2007, 07:58 PM

So you wanna argue about which point?

Which point?

Pac going up to light middle weight is just plain impossible . . . there's no logical arguement for that . . . so save your effort kid . . . there's nothing to argue about that. :lol: :rofl :good

yesihavearm

08-20-2007, 08:04 PM

Heres another question for you guys then,

If Pac beats Barrera, then goes on to beat Marquez and Guzman. Then steps up to 135 and beats Diaz, then 140 and beat Gavin Rees.

Where ATG ?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 08:07 PM

Which point?

Pac going up to light middle weight is just plain impossible . . . there's no logical arguement for that . . . so save your effort kid . . . there's nothing to argue about that. :lol: :rofl :good

He already stays above 140lb during the fight, and what was Mayweather highest wieght - 149lb ?
I'm not going to predict how would PAC look like when his weight is 156lb.

I'm saying he may be competitive with Mayweather to get his WBC title.
PAC doesn't need to be above 150lb to challenge title at that weight.

So are you still going to argue if PAC is able to go up to little middlewight
or maybe you wanna talk if he is able to take Maywethers title from there?

psychopath

08-20-2007, 08:29 PM

He already stays above 140lb during the fight, and what was Mayweather highest wieght - 149lb ?
I'm not going to predict how would PAC look like when his weight is 156lb.

I'm saying he may be competitive with Mayweather to get his WBC title.
PAC doesn't need to be above 150lb to challenge title at that weight.

So are you still going to argue if PAC is able to go up to little middlewight
or maybe you wanna talk if he is able to take Maywethers title from there?

Nah nah nah you're halucinating dude.:D

A 5'6 1/2" guy who started fighting at flyweight going up to light middle weight? :lol:

You hAve to make your brain function sometimes . . . and realize that fighters are bounded by physical limtitations. That's a plain STUPID insinuation. :hey

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

PH|LLA

08-20-2007, 08:29 PM

Heres another question for you guys then,

If Pac beats Barrera, then goes on to beat Marquez and Guzman. Then steps up to 135 and beats Diaz, then 140 and beat Gavin Rees.

Where ATG ?
on esb, he'd still be a one dimensional bum

theunderdog

08-20-2007, 08:32 PM

Uh, no. Not a chance. Malignaggi would make a fool out of Pac and I wouldn't even be surprised if there was a late stoppage.

late stoppage? paulie is a good fighter but he'll have a hard time knocking out a bantamweight. moreso a superfeather.

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 08:34 PM

Nah nah nah you're halucinating dude.:D

A 5'6 1/2" guy who started fighting at flyweight going up to light middle weight? :lol:

You hAve to make your brain function sometimes . . . and realize that fighters are bounded by physical limtitations. That's a plain STUPID insinuation. :hey

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
OK lets make it a little simpler for you so you as PAC fan can understand the numbers:

Floyd: height 5′ 8″, reach 72“
Morales: height 5′ 8″, reach 72“

Is this telling you something? You wanna still argue about numbers and PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS?
Maybe you wanna say: "Floyd is so bigger so PAC would never reach him? :rofl:rofl:rofl
... once again height 5′ 8″, reach 72“ Floyd=Morales nothing more :deal

Jack

08-20-2007, 08:36 PM

Pacquiao would waste Rees. I don't see any way Rees could slap his way past Pac. He'd get stopped early.

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 08:39 PM

Now if PAC can beat Katsidis at 135..That will make him jump 5 fighters in the GOAT list

It will rather not happen, Katsidis too strong, bad matchup.

psychopath

08-20-2007, 08:42 PM

OK lets make it a little simpler for you so you as PAC fan can understand the numbers:

Floyd: height 5′ 8″, reach 72“
Morales: height 5′ 8″, reach 72“

Is this telling you something? You wanna still argue about numbers and PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS?
Maybe you wanna say: "Floyd is so bigger so PAC would never reach him? :rofl:rofl:rofl
... once again height 5′ 8″, reach 72“ Floyd=Morales nothing more :deal

Stop arguing your stupidity . . . height and reach is not the factor here. It's the natural body frame and the ability to carry on the natural wieght that counts. :hey :rofl

Yeah Morales and PBF has the same height and reach but did you see the difference when Morales moves up to 135? That itself will shows you what a "naturally bigger" PBF can do and what a move up fighter like Morales can't.

Have you heard of any fighter in the history of the sports who climb up seven weight class? I'll be damn.

You're a fucki'n waste of time stinky . . . everybody has the right to act stupid sometimes . . . but you? You seems all natural. :yep

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 08:45 PM

Stop arguing your stupidity . . . height and reach is not the factor here. It's the natural body frame and the ability to carry on the natural wieght that counts. :hey :rofl

Yeah Morales and PBF has the same height and reach but did you see the difference when Morales moves up to 135? That itself will shows you what a "naturally bigger" PBF can do and what a move up fighter like Morales can't.

You're a fucki'n waste of time stinky . . . everybody has the right to act stupid sometimes . . . but you? You seems all natural. :yep

Now you talking, so the difference is the body mass and probably the skills ...
so are you telling that natural 147 Floyd will give no chances for natural 140 PAC ...
in terms of power and skills?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 08:48 PM

Thats why you move 5 spots:lol: The degree of difficulty...Katsidis is a giant though..Saw him at the World Cup..he made Penalosa look like a midget
But he is rather nobody.
If PAc beat Diaz instead Katsidis then he may go 7..8 positions up instead 5.
The potential lost to Daiz will cost him like 5 positions down while lost to Katsidis probably 10.

psychopath

08-20-2007, 08:49 PM

Now you talking, so the difference is the body mass and probably the skills ...
so are you telling that natural 147 Floyd will give no chances for natural 140 PAC ...
in terms of power and skills?

If Pac is a natural 140 then it's a different story. He can be competitive against PBF at 147 but PBF still beats him due to skills and agility. :yep

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 08:58 PM

If Pac is a natural 140 then it's a different story. He can be competitive against PBF at 147 but PBF still beats him due to skills and agility. :yep

The natural weight is during the actual fight not during the weight in.
Floyd never was above 149 during the fight and PAC sometimes stays like 140-144 lb?

So finally we narrowed the discussion to skills and agility.
Lets be positive and find if there is any way PAC could win ... maybe lucky punch?

How much more Floyd is skilled than Marquez for example?
If PAC was able to flore Marquez 3 times in one round then is there
any chance he will do the same to Floyd ... or not, you PAC fan - you tell me?

psychopath

08-20-2007, 09:04 PM

The natural weight is during the actual fight not during the weight in.
Floyd never was above 149 during the fight and PAC sometimes stays like 140-144 lb?

So finally we narrowed the discussion to skills and agility.
Lets be positive and find if there is any way PAC could win ... maybe lucky punch?

How much more Floyd is skilled than Marquez for example?
If PAC was able to flore Marquez 3 times in one round then is there
any chance he will do the same to Floyd ... or not, you PAC fan - you tell me?

Nah I don't see it happening any way. :D Floyd is too smart to get caught. He starts slow, studies his opponent and then make his move after 3 rounds and does what it takes to win the fight . . . not necessarily by K.O. Pac will be outboxed all night.

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:10 PM

Nah I don't see it happening any way. :D Floyd is too smart to get caught. He starts slow, studies his opponent and then make his move after 3 rounds and does what it takes to win the fight . . . not necessarily by K.O. Pac will be outboxed all night.
Whow, you just found the solution. :lol:

Floyd starts slow, PAC starts fast, if he pressure Floyd at the beggining
he may find a way to catch him cold like he did to Marquez.

The problem, PAC didn't finish Marquez and Floyd is stronger so probably
PAc will not finish Floyd either. So where we are going from there?

Myabe the damage done in first round will do the job and the rest of the
fight will be competitive or maybe Floyd get frutrated and finally go for
exchange instead run away and counterpunch?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:16 PM

PBF DESTROYS Pac even if they were both at the same exact weight naturally, if they BOTH started at 112 and moved and fought at 130 PBF would destroy him. Unfortunately for Pac PBF started much higher and is naturally much bigger so imagine the level of destruction now if they fought.
OK, speaking on the natural wieght and level of damage, a few matchups:
Peter-Toney, Wright-Hopkins, ... Darchynian-Taylor :lol: .... it is not always so simple.

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 09:22 PM

The natural weight is during the actual fight not during the weight in.
Floyd never was above 149 during the fight and PAC sometimes stays like 140-144 lb?

So finally we narrowed the discussion to skills and agility.
Lets be positive and find if there is any way PAC could win ... maybe lucky punch?

How much more Floyd is skilled than Marquez for example?
If PAC was able to flore Marquez 3 times in one round then is there
any chance he will do the same to Floyd ... or not, you PAC fan - you tell me?

If Mayweather can eat Zabs straight left at 147 I dont think he'll have any problem at all with Pac's. Pac's power just wont carry itself up that high in weight. Zab's straight left @147 >>> Pac's straight left at 140 let alone 147

Note.. Zab at 147 is alot faster than Pac would be at 147..

Asterion

08-20-2007, 09:26 PM

Baldomir - The only chance Pac has is if Baldo dies in the ring from laughing so hard at Pac's power.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:28 PM

If Mayweather can eat Zabs straight left at 147 I dont think he'll have any problem at all with Pac's. Pac's power just wont carry itself up that high in weight. Zab's straight left @147 >>> Pac's straight left at 140 let alone 147

Note.. Zab at 147 is alot faster than Pac would be at 147..
Zab is faster indeed, however he is not so dedicated like PAC.
PAC would never run away like a chicken as Judah did against Baldomir.
So where we are going from there, PAC would eat some Floyd counterpunches
but he will easily get to the ditsance where he do the damage on his own.
The problem is, will PAC be able to land anything significant which will do real damage?

How about a left hook, a PAc new weapon?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:31 PM

Hell are you talking about?

Hell are you :huh :lol: ;)

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:38 PM

Cause Shitty Gloves thinks Pac can beat everyone and their mother all the way up to 154.
Wrong, I didn't said everyone :blood I said, David Diaz at 135, Rees at 140 and Mayweather :scaredas:.

He can't beat anyone with title at welterweight ... all of them are bad matchups.
Judah is also wrong for PAC, too dirty. Baldomir to good chin and too strong.
And probably not top guys from 140lb.

Is the Mayweather part pissing you off, are you aftraid of hypothetical matchups :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:39 PM

Stinky will pit PAC with Godzilla just to see him get obliterated.:patsch

Wrong again, I really think PAC can do it, if he does it will put him within #5 ATG, you have problem with that?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:42 PM

Hypothetical matchups are not hypothetical if you already know who the winner is. Picking Pac is not an opinion, it's straight up nuthugging.

:deal
So you are telling that boxing is a sport and picking Mayweather without any reasonable discussion isn't nuthugging :rofl:rofl:rofl

I never said PAc will beat Floyd, I'm looking for possible ways how he can do it.
If you speaking about PAc nuthuggins ask PAC real "fans" who I am :lol::lol::lol:

ravtrav

08-20-2007, 09:43 PM

How the fuck is Malignaggi perfect for Pac you dumb shit? Malignaggi would probably KO Pac late, are you retarded.:lol:

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 09:46 PM

Zab is faster indeed, however he is not so dedicated like PAC.
PAC would never run away like a chicken as Judah did against Baldomir.
So where we are going from there, PAC would eat some Floyd counterpunches
but he will easily get to the ditsance where he do the damage on his own.
The problem is, will PAC be able to land anything significant which will do real damage?

How about a left hook, a PAc new weapon?

If Floyd can avoid rather easily Zab's faster hand speed and more powerful right hand, "Zab also seemed dedicated in this fight unlike Baldo" He wont have a problem avoiding Pac's. Also you say PAC would eat Floyd's punches I totally disagree. Mayweather had good power untill 147. Knocked out or stopped some pretty solid oponents. Mayweather will have advantages in Power/skill/speed/defense/intelligence and so on. m Not taking away from Pac but its just not feesible for Pac to even attempt to fight Mayweather ESP at 154.

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 09:50 PM

Wrong, I didn't said everyone :blood I said, David Diaz at 135, Rees at 140 and Mayweather :scaredas:.

He can't beat anyone with title at welterweight ... all of them are bad matchups.
Judah is also wrong for PAC, too dirty. Baldomir to good chin and too strong.
And probably not top guys from 140lb.

Is the Mayweather part pissing you off, are you aftraid of hypothetical matchups :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl?

Id give Pac a better chance against Judah and Baldo then Mayweather. I think he MIGHT be able to hurt Judah and he might be able to out work Baldo to some sort of decision. Even though its extremely doubtful he could do either of those.. Mayweather would take Pac to school its just common sense

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 09:51 PM

Finally out of the newbie catagory :happy

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 09:59 PM

If Floyd can avoid rather easily Zab's faster hand speed and more powerful right hand, "Zab also seemed dedicated in this fight unlike Baldo" He wont have a problem avoiding Pac's. Also you say PAC would eat Floyd's punches I totally disagree. Mayweather had good power untill 147. Knocked out or stopped some pretty solid oponents. Mayweather will have advantages in Power/skill/speed/defense/intelligence and so on. m Not taking away from Pac but its just not feesible for Pac to even attempt to fight Mayweather ESP at 154.
You and numbers again, Floyd even champion at 154 never was and probably never will be above 150lb. Floyd comfrotable weight is 147lb and PAcs 140-144lb.

Lets compare:
- punching power ... who really knows, PAC is powerfull as well :bbb
- skills ... big advantage of Floyd :tired
- speed .. advantage of Floyd, while PAC is fast enough to get to inside,
ask Morales, Barrera and Marquez :deal
- defense ... clearly for Floyd :hi:
- intelligence Floyd easily :blood

You have some other options:
- chin ... pretty good match :bump
- pressure and heart ... clearly for PAC

Conclusion, Floyd beat PAC like 8 times in 10.
However assuming PAC have no chance is completely unreasonable.

So isn't a fun for you guys to find out how would look like the two
cases when PAC whoops Floyd ass and school his chin?

:hat

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 09:59 PM

I agree with everything except that PAC has faster hands than Zab..PAC has freakish handspeed, he doesnt throw combos thats why its never showcased...All his punches are power punches

I see your point but I think where looking at it 2 different ways. At Pac's prime weight I think he has quicker handspeed than Judah at Judah's prime weight, In that sense I would agree with you. But he's talkin about a fight @154. NO way can Pac remain the same handspeed going up 25+ pounds out of his Prime weight where Zab's prime weight is pretty much 140-147. I'm sayin I think a 147 Ib Zab (where Floyd fought him of course) is going to have faster handspeed than an extremely blown up Pac at 154.

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 10:04 PM

My Bad, yes 135 is max to carry that speed for PAC:good

Chimba ... Chimba, how much is PAC weight during the actual fight, isn't this above 135 lb already?

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 10:10 PM

You have no knowledge of boxing and weight cutting...:-(

So what the deal with weight cutting when you going up?

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 10:11 PM

You and numbers again, Floyd even champion at 154 never was and probably never will be above 150lb. Floyd comfrotable weight is 147lb and PAcs 140-144lb.

Lets compare:
- punching power ... who really knows, PAC is powerfull as well :bbb
- skills ... big advantage of Floyd :tired
- speed .. advantage of Floyd, while PAC is fast enough to get to inside,
ask Morales, Barrera and Marquez :deal
- defense ... clearly for Floyd :hi:
- intelligence Floyd easily :blood

You have some other options:
- chin ... pretty good match :bump
- pressure and heart ... clearly for PAC

Conclusion, Floyd beat PAC like 8 times in 10.
However assuming PAC have no chance is completely unreasonable.

So isn't a fun for you guys to find out how would look like the two
cases when PAC whoops Floyd ass and school his chin?

:hat

I would give Pac a 2 in a 100 chance not 2 out of 10. There's always going to be the possibility. But when you have a fight where one person has an advantage in 95% of the major catagories and in some cases a BIG advantage. I just dont see a way Pac could win. The only way you may think he could win is with a left but it will not hurt Mayweather. If Hoya, Baldo, Zab, Deigo, etc couldn't hurt Mayweather how in the hell do you think Pac could.

Stinky gloves

08-20-2007, 10:16 PM

I would give Pac a 2 in a 100 chance not 2 out of 10. There's always going to be the possibility. But when you have a fight where one person has an advantage in 95% of the major catagories and in some cases a BIG advantage. I just dont see a way Pac could win. The only way you may think he could win is with a left but it will not hurt Mayweather. If Hoya, Baldo, Zab, Deigo, etc couldn't hurt Mayweather how in the hell do you think Pac could.

I already said, PAC may brawl in the first round and catch Floyd cold as he did against Marquez.
I didn't hear any answer for that yest.

Does Floyd have so much better technique than Marquez that this is not even possible?

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 10:23 PM

I already said, PAC may brawl in the first round and catch Floyd cold as he did against Marquez.
I didn't hear any answer for that yest.

Does Floyd have so much better technique than Marquez that this is not even possible?

Dude I did answer that in one of my first reply's. If A straight left from ZAB at 147 (which is more powerful) does not hurt Floyd, If alot of pressure from Hoya @154 didn't and also landed couple of times could not hurt Mayweather. What on gods name of earth makes you believe that Mayweather wouldn't smile and laugh at Pac's power. You said Baldo is a better match up for Pac than Mayweather because of chin. Well Mayweather has yet to show ANY signs of a week chin at all coming from punchers that are much bigger than PAC.

MJRJJ23

08-20-2007, 10:25 PM

You also seemed to forget that after the 1st round against Marquez, Pac got pretty much taken to school. and Yes Mayweather does have better technique than Marquez

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 12:17 AM

Dude I did answer that in one of my first reply's. If A straight left from ZAB at 147 (which is more powerful) does not hurt Floyd, If alot of pressure from Hoya @154 didn't and also landed couple of times could not hurt Mayweather. What on gods name of earth makes you believe that Mayweather wouldn't smile and laugh at Pac's power.

That because not Judah nor Oscar are brawlers and sluggers, they are boxers.
PAC is brawler and slugger and this is what he does perfectly :deal
PAC did not purely outbox MAB, Morales, and Marquez, he beat them
(except marquez) with his power, speed and pressure.

PAC is #1 or #2 P4P fighter not because he has great technique
but because he has great determination and know how to deal with slick boxers :deal

Judah was determined for the half of his fight and during that time
he OUTBOXED Maywather 4-2 and scored knock down :deal .
Problem with Judah is he usually lose his determination very fast.
The Problem with PAC is he is not loosing his determination for the 12 rounds.:hi:

So if Judah was outboxing Floyd early then PAC for sure
can close the gap and reach Floyd with his best weapons.
My point is that this is one possible way for PAC to beat Floyd,
..... are you saying its completely impossible :nut ?

You said Baldo is a better match up for Pac than Mayweather because of chin. Well Mayweather has yet to show ANY signs of a week chin at all coming from punchers that are much bigger than PAC.

Baldo is completely different boxer. Floyd is slick, know how to AVOID
brawling, he stick to counterpunching and fight at distance.
Baldomir is slow, strong and have great chin. If you still remember
your size arguments Baldo comes around 155-160lb at the ring side.
If PAC go with him to brawl then Baldo may be too much for him
... just look at Gatti case.

BobDigi5060

08-21-2007, 12:18 AM

Fuck no.

blackstrider

08-21-2007, 01:03 AM

carras

08-21-2007, 01:08 AM

135 maybe, but he'd be too small for 140

theHawtness

08-21-2007, 01:11 AM

135, yes.
140, no.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:16 AM

yes, actually stinky is Pacman hater. This threads intention is to bash pac and not fucking hypothetical match up that he is saying.

Its like " Stinky Gloves vs. Jet Li who wins thread" :-(. Poor stinky, u can do better than that. Sorry my english is poor :oops:

Whathever man, you wanna argue with me against PAC? :rofl :rofl :rofl
Find stronger arguments to prove PAC cannod beat Floyd at all.
Right now you seems like PAC hater.

btw, I would kick Jet-Li ass in one round :bart

So the better matchup will be Jet Li - Tony Jaa :bbb

mad_takamura

08-21-2007, 01:19 AM

Whathever man, you wanna argue with me against PAC? :rofl :rofl :rofl
Find stronger arguments to prove PAC cannod beat Floyd at all.
Right now you seems like PAC hater.

btw, I would kick Jet-Li ass in one round :bart

So the better matchup will be Jet Li - Tony Jaa :bbb don't mind them stinky go defend pac :good

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:22 AM

don't mind them stinky go defend pac :good

I will untill somebody give reasonable arguments that its impossible:hi:

mad_takamura

08-21-2007, 01:23 AM

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:27 AM

theunderdog

08-21-2007, 01:29 AM

as for my opinion if pac spars with a welter then he can do too in at least the jr. welter. his sparmates have decent records too, not that i'm saying they are as skillful as hatton or cotto. well at least at the jr.welts and don't touch hatton or cotto

are you seriously basing it on sparring? pac could spar with a middleweight for all i care and still i know he wouldn't be successful at that weight. sparring is conducted with headgear, you know?

Lance_Uppercut

08-21-2007, 01:30 AM

I think 140 is too big. His punches wouldn't be too effective against much larger, stronger fighters. 135 is taxing him IMHO. Props if he tries though...

mad_takamura

08-21-2007, 01:30 AM

Finally somebody talking like true PAC fan :good well at least i'm realistic that he should not face cotto or hatton that is where it spells doom for pac.

Lance_Uppercut

08-21-2007, 01:33 AM

well at least i'm realistic that he should not face cotto or hatton that is where it spells doom for pac.

I wouldn't put him in with Vivian Harris, Randal Bailey, Ricardo Torres, Kendall Holt, Junior Witter, or Paulie Malignaggi either.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:33 AM

are you seriously basing it on sparring? pac could spar with a middleweight for all i care and still i know he wouldn't be successful at that weight. sparring is conducted with headgear, you know?

You guys start to loosing the main topic.
The idea is not PAc being competitive against the best from
the upper classes but if he can "win a belt at 140 or higher".

mad_takamura

08-21-2007, 01:38 AM

I wouldn't put him in with Vivian Harris, Randal Bailey, Ricardo Torres, Kendall Holt, Junior Witter, or Paulie Malignaggi either. malignaggi? you gotta be kidding me :rofl :rofl :rofl

kg0208

08-21-2007, 01:39 AM

malignaggi? you gotta be kidding me :rofl :rofl :rofl

With Malignaggi's speed, it's possible he would be able to outbox Pacman...not to mention he handled Cotto's power as well as can be expected.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:42 AM

He has a chance at 135 but 140? That's stretching his capabilities too much. I think the threadstarter here is a Pac hater. :-(

Don't be paranoic ... or you already are?

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:47 AM

No. You have not confirmed our bet in the Pac Barrera, Stinky, despite my PM w/ you. Are you in or not? :D

Man you so boring, go to your question at two independent threads and read my answers.
I will not repeate myself 1000 times just so you may have a chance to see the answer.
Dig it up man!

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 01:48 AM

Have you chickened out, Stinky?
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Are these at your backyard? I knew you the farmer boy :good

Lance_Uppercut

08-21-2007, 01:56 AM

malignaggi? you gotta be kidding me :rofl :rofl :rofl

Why is that to absurd? Malignaggi WILL be the bigger man here and is quick, tough, and a good boxer. He took Cotto's shots as well, so I doubt Pac fighting WAAY above his best weight will be as effective or as hard a hitter as Cotto was.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 02:04 AM

You've been ignoring my posts for confirmation, Stinky. Just a simple question: Are you in or not? Yes or No?

I already answered it twice, giving you third answer for the same question is just embarassing.

You are the fucker who offer other guy deal breaking rule of my deal with you:deal
So fuck yourself .... you wanna find my answer then find it where you post your own question.

I know its a hard task for you since you cannot track how many deals you are setting at the same time.:lol: :lol:

Find the answer by yourself you farmer boy.

mad_takamura

08-21-2007, 02:05 AM

Why is that to absurd? Malignaggi WILL be the bigger man here and is quick, tough, and a good boxer. He took Cotto's shots as well, so I doubt Pac fighting WAAY above his best weight will be as effective or as hard a hitter as Cotto was.like judah he does'nt have heart and eventually he amy not go down in a big punch from pac but when he feels the pressure more than cotto can give he will fall

bulakenyo

08-21-2007, 02:18 AM

Have you heard of any fighter in the history of the sports who climb up seven weight class? I'll be damn.

:yep

Seven weight classes?

How about nine weight classes. :cool:

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Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 02:36 AM

Have you chickened out from our bet, Stinky? It so simple to answer : YES OR NO, RIGHT?

Domngo. Its simple find what I've wrote for you twice ... and fuck yourself you stupid moron, read your own posts and look for the answers on them.
You the biggest piece of shit I ever seen in my life.

You will not get more answers from me. You already got two of them for your own idiotic questions.

I know your brain is so small you cannot even find your own posts.
Can you? .. I doubt :lol: :lol: :lol:

theunderdog

08-21-2007, 02:45 AM

why does every pac thread degenerate to a stinky-domngo shit slinging contest? makes me wonder.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 02:49 AM

why does every pac thread degenerate to a stinky-domngo shit slinging contest? makes me wonder.

You know, me too. How many times I should write answers to his questions, what size and colors of the caracters I should use,
so finally he read the answer and don't start asking the same question
again and again?

kg0208

08-21-2007, 03:03 AM

like judah he does'nt have heart and eventually he amy not go down in a big punch from pac but when he feels the pressure more than cotto can give he will fall

Pacman doesn't pressure more than Cotto. And Pacman isn't going to his harder at 140 than Cotto does most likely. That is kinda crazy to think that Pacman is going to go up 2 more weight classes and carry more power than Cotto or even close to equal power to Cotto.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 03:21 AM

I don't know it's probably your difficulty in expressing yourself clearly in your posts that i find you wavering and giving inconsistent answers. But let me post them anyway just to confirm that our bet is on.

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Okay, I am definitely in and you are according to your post. I'll bookmark this.

You're off for 6 mos and 1 mo. to glorify Pac's achievements if you lose.

I will wear 6 different avatars (1 for each month) for 6 months if I lose.

So, better prepare now, Stinky, for grand vacation in Mexico on October 6 to commisserate w/ Barrera. :lol::lol::lol:

Finally :-((

He Hate Me

08-21-2007, 03:45 AM

pac man has guts but not enough power
@ 140, lets say he takes on zab at a catch weight of 140, then yea why not.

Stinky gloves

08-21-2007, 03:47 AM

pac man has guts but not enough power
@ 140, lets say he takes on zab at a catch weight of 140, then yea why not.

Finally some valuable analysis. However Zab do not have any belt and will not have in the near future.

Chert

08-21-2007, 04:10 AM

at 140 and higher, definitely not. but at 135, possibly.

puga_ni_nana

08-21-2007, 08:26 AM

michael 901

11-04-2007, 09:53 AM

he would kill rees

koko of phil

11-04-2007, 10:33 AM

I think Pac hasn't proven his worth at 130, as critics would say he beat some old fading fighters in Barrera and Morales. Much more if he fights JMM next, I think he should fight Guzman or Valero after Marquez before moving up at lightweight. But with that issue winning a belt at 140 or higher is a big no. I even suspect Pac will just be as anyone normal beatable fighter at 135.

Raden

11-04-2007, 11:15 AM

I biliv Pak wod KO maywider f dey fayt at wan forti to...:D

RafaelGonzal

11-04-2007, 11:23 AM

It wouldbe very tough

SugarShane_24

11-04-2007, 11:38 AM

Now this is what I call impossible.

Let's put it this way, I will put DLH as a comparison.

Pac is already at his optimum weight at 130. Where his speed, power and skill are all working together. Much like DLH at 147/154.

However Pac is already at a disadvantage at 135. I can see him winning a title here but there are a lot of guys who pose a threat to him here. Again similar to DLH at 160 where he won a title but he is clearly having difficulty. In fact, I figure he would be beaten too if he faced the man at 135 much like when DLH met BHop.

So this talk about being at 140 or higher is already a moot point.

Silvermags

11-05-2007, 07:50 PM

at 140 and higher, definitely not. but at 135, possibly.

i agree! at 135 BIG BIG possibility!!! 140 or up I'm a pacfan but NO WAY he can at 140 or higher!

psychopath

11-05-2007, 07:54 PM

Could Pacquiao win a belt at 140 or higher?

Nah . . . I honestly doubt it.

Pac will have to pass through the eye of a needle to beat Diaz at 135 . . . but it's still possible But at 140 . . . higher? NO! :-(

pejevan

11-06-2007, 12:34 AM

NO. Unless there is a David Diaz caliber champion at 140, then possible.

tays001

11-06-2007, 12:36 AM

maybe nothing is out of the question but it wouldn't be a linear title

Broxi

11-16-2009, 05:34 PM

I think he might be able to actually.

I love these old Pac threads, helps put it in perspective for you.

Boom_Boom

11-16-2009, 05:37 PM

lmao

even the last page I am posting on is classic

Jack

11-16-2009, 05:40 PM

Ouch!

I did later predict that Pac would knock Hatton out, when it was seen as impossible.

Broxi

11-16-2009, 05:51 PM

Ouch!

I did later predict that Pac would knock Hatton out, when it was seen as impossible.

Nah, you were quite prophetic man, you asked the question and a lot of people were ready to shoot you down.

Silvermags

11-16-2009, 06:39 PM

Pacman doesn't pressure more than Cotto. And Pacman isn't going to his harder at 140 than Cotto does most likely. That is kinda crazy to think that Pacman is going to go up 2 more weight classes and carry more power than Cotto or even close to equal power to Cotto.

kg,

Too bad you are not here anymore to reply on your own thread! Anyway, that's good for you.

Yeah! Who would believe Pac can dominated Cotto two years ago! If you ask me two years ago, I'll also probably say Cotto KO's pac in 3 rounds!

PAC is really an amazing boxer! He ranks among the best! Despite his achievements he remains humble. Down to earth in real life!

jchap

11-16-2009, 06:48 PM

Reading this thread is hilarious. Most posters didn't think he would be a lock to beat David Diaz!

EleventhHour

11-16-2009, 07:07 PM

This is so so funny to read. Just goes to show that nobody knows anything for sure.

GalangK

11-16-2009, 08:29 PM

To be fair to these guys I would have said the same thing. The only guys I would have thought he could beat during that time are David Diaz and MAYBE Ricky Hatton.

punchdynamo

11-16-2009, 08:54 PM

It will rather not happen, Katsidis too strong, bad matchup.

Everyone is too strong. DLH was supposed to be too strong. So was Hatton, so was Cotto. :lol:

135, he could dominate that division for a long time. I don't see David Diaz, Juan Diaz, Campbell, Katsisdis, Casamayor, Funeka, etc. able to beat Pac. Same goes for 140 as well, though there's not much there and don't see why he would. Did we just forget that the king of 140 was KTFO by Pac at 140?

Wait nvm...this thread is long over :yep

11-16-2009, 08:58 PM

This thread is funny, but perectly logical!

Why would a former Flyweight Champion, not just beat but demolish Ricky Hatton, Oscar DeLa Hoya and Miguel Cotto...?!?!

Goose

11-16-2009, 11:59 PM

hahaha, excellent thread....almost no one, and i mean no one gave pacman a chance above 135, and now they were all complaining about the catch weight of 145....what a bunch of crap

Jbuz

11-17-2009, 12:02 AM

kg,

Too bad you are not here anymore to reply on your own thread! Anyway, that's good for you.

Yeah! Who would believe Pac can dominated Cotto two years ago! If you ask me two years ago, I'll also probably say Cotto KO's pac in 3 rounds!

PAC is really an amazing boxer! He ranks among the best! Despite his achievements he remains humble. Down to earth in real life!

Exactly.

Two years ago I would've laughed at the suggestion of Pac beating any of De La Hoya, Hatton or Cotto. But then I ended up picking him to beat two of them by knockout. He changed my mind pretty quickly.

paulcris

11-17-2009, 12:10 AM

This is entertaining. Can you dig up more threads like these?

Before they didnt think that he could beat David Diaz.

Now it is seen as his cherrypick at lightweight.

Tszyu

11-17-2009, 12:11 AM

When he was fighting Barerra for the first time and you asked me do I think he beats Hatton in 2 brutally and stops Cotto and DLH at 147. I probably would of laughed at you and bashed you at the same time for being suck a douche.

Now I can see Pac KO's Mayweather in 2 rounds

enzo

11-17-2009, 12:13 AM

well at least i'm realistic that he should not face cotto or hatton that is where it spells doom for pac.

you can add oscar. :lol:

chimba

11-17-2009, 12:22 AM

hahaha, excellent thread....almost no one, and i mean no one gave pacman a chance above 135, and now they were all complaining about the catch weight of 145....what a bunch of crap

The good thing is people on ESB are the only ones complaining.

Out in the real world, they're comparing him to Hank Armstrong, THANK GOD

rodadus

11-17-2009, 12:54 AM

Have you heard of any fighter in the history of the sports who climb up seven weight class? I'll be damn.

You're a fucki'n waste of time stinky . . . everybody has the right to act stupid sometimes . . . but you? You seems all natural. :yep

Yeah Ive heard of one.:smoke

bulakenyo

11-17-2009, 01:02 AM

I've been following Pac's career since the mid 1990's, and when he lost by KO in Thailand, (WBC 112 flyweight defense) and then heard that he was gonna jump straight to 122 lbs, I thought that his world title hunting days would be over.

I still thought he would be a super entertaining, crowd pleasing fighter, but jumping straight from flyweight to junior featherweight would be too much for anybody, and he would probably become one of those local crowd favorites that people love to watch and root for and will be a cult favorite/local legend, but will probably never reach the top 10 world rankings again.

He's one of a kind.

Mind Reader

11-17-2009, 01:02 AM

Its funny to read this now with hindsight, I was one of those people saying no way... Boy was I wrong.

Stovepipe

11-17-2009, 01:11 AM

Nah . . . I honestly doubt it.

Pac will have to pass through the eye of a needle to beat Diaz at 135 . . . but it's still possible But at 140 . . . higher? NO! :-(
but Pac is sponsored by Nike

impossible is nothing

Mr. V.I.P.

11-17-2009, 01:12 AM

Yeah by 2010. He will have stopped cotto, hatton and dlh. And be the best in the sport. Having won at welterweight.

8count

11-17-2009, 01:40 AM

great read actually. and good find. some of the old threads have 50plus pages and my eyes can't take that much.

psychopath

11-17-2009, 01:42 AM

but Pac is sponsored by Nike

impossible is nothing

Well the guy removed my doubt again. :yep

I actually picked him to win against Cotto via UD.

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Simple100

11-17-2009, 01:53 AM

PAC is truly amazing, you cannot have another fighter like PAC.

Rock0052

11-17-2009, 02:09 AM

Its funny to read this now with hindsight, I was one of those people saying no way... Boy was I wrong.

You were far from the only one. Needless to say, I'm a believer now and I don't take my predictions near as seriously.:lol:

Off topic, but I see you're sporting that Manning avatar. I was at that Colts-Patriots game Sunday night and some "fans" actually thought it'd be a good idea to start leaving in the beginning of the 4th quarter once we were down by 17. Idiots. :rofl

Mind Reader

11-17-2009, 02:15 AM

You were far from the only one. Needless to say, I'm a believer now and I don't take my predictions near as seriously.:lol:

Off topic, but I see you're sporting that Manning avatar. I was at that Colts-Patriots game Sunday night and some "fans" actually thought it'd be a good idea to start leaving in the beginning of the 4th quarter once we were down by 17. Idiots. :rofl

You were there???? I am so jealous, that was an instant classic.... I was even doubting the Colts there for a bit but they prove me wrong every time....

I love how we won because Manning was in Belichick's head, a noggin that is obviously hard to crack.:lol::happy