Barrera“I will beat Khan, I’m still a much better fighter than he is". [Archive]

Guy

03-03-2009, 03:09 PM

“The reason I took this fight is because a win here puts me in line to realize my top remaining goal to become the first Mexican-born fighter to win world championships in four separate weight divisions,” Barrera said. “I’ve been world champion in three weight divisions (122, 126 and 130) and my goal is to win a world championship in the lightweight division. I don’t want to wait. I want to get there as fast as I can. A win over Khan puts me right where I want to be. “I will beat Khan because I have more experience than him and I’m still a much better fighter than he is. Khan is tall and has a good jab and hand speed. He is a good young fighter but there’s nothing he can do between now and March 14 to surpass my skills and experience. Jose Luis Balbuena and Kennedy McKinney are two fighters I successfully defended my WBO super bantamweight titles that I can compare to Khan. They were both good fighters with good hand speed that I was able to defeat. McKinney won an Olympic gold medal. Don’t forget what I did to Prince Naseem Hamed, too, another highly-touted guy with fast hands.”

Guy

03-03-2009, 03:31 PM

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Barrera looks old.....

Addie

03-03-2009, 03:38 PM

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Barrera looks old.....

ESGEX4z32e4

Looks fine to me. :lol:

maka

03-03-2009, 03:43 PM

quote hunter :nut

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 03:45 PM

khan will beat him suprisingly easily

Addie

03-03-2009, 03:46 PM

khan will beat him suprisingly easily

What Barrera fights have you seen?

TFFP

03-03-2009, 03:47 PM

Smith

03-03-2009, 03:49 PM

khan will beat him suprisingly easily:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Addie

03-03-2009, 03:51 PM

Training can be deceiving. Roy Jones still looks a million dollars in training. These guys punch a speed ball from memory.

I'm starting to fancy Barrera, even though I'm skeptical as to why Khan's team chose him at this point. I'll have to take a long hard look at MAB's last two fights. But overall with his type of experience, his chin, he shouldn't be blown away simply by flurries of handspeed, he should have a cool head on his shoulders that will wait for the opportunity - and when it does come along it could be good night for Khan.

That is all it is for Barrera. Keep it tight. See off Khan while he does his best work. Wait for the opportunity to counter over the jab, and when he does there is no doubt he has the power to knock him out.

People were thinking MAB was out of shape, that is why that video is an important factor. Clearly Marco is in great shape, and looks very prepared for a fight that he is undoubtedly there to win. Some people think he is there for the pay day, or is going to throw the fight. The same people have no idea what kind of fighter MAB has been for two decades.

MAB TKO5. I will be there live to see my idol.

Claypole

03-03-2009, 03:51 PM

khan will beat him suprisingly easilyOnly if Barrera is completely shot, which I don't believe he is. I admire Khan's ambition and confidence (please don't tell anyone I said that!), but even a well past his best Barrera takes Khan to school....

GazOC

03-03-2009, 03:54 PM

I think Kahn will win and it could well be a blowout.

TFFP

03-03-2009, 03:55 PM

I think Khan will cause him some trouble. I expect that - he's fighting possibly the biggest and longest guy he's ever fought, combined with very good handspeed. He himself is undoubtedly a little bit slower of foot, the body does not quite respond as quickly as the brain passes the message.

I don't expect a Prescott. Prescott was very long armed, completely unknown, and we've got to expect Khan to bring his brain with him this time.

So overall I think we'll see some early trouble for Barrera.

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 03:57 PM

barrares is not in his prime years anymore physically, and hasnt had a big fight for a while now, judging someone on their chin alone is cheap, especially since khans defence is being tightened by the minute

but hey i look at things the way they are and not through rose tinted glasses, if you want to mock me for that then go ahead

ps i really wouldnt begrudge barrera a victory but i feel this fights came a year too late for him

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 04:00 PM

saying khan will be taken to school is a bit unkind considering hes won an olimpic silver, barrera is more skilled dont get me wrong

GazOC

03-03-2009, 04:03 PM

So overall I think we'll see some early trouble for Barrera.

Thats the key to the fight, Barerra will have to weather a storm for the first 3 or 4 rounds. If he can do that he has an excellent chance when the pace slows a little....."if".

TFFP

03-03-2009, 04:06 PM

Thats the key to the fight, Barerra will have to weather a storm for the first 3 or 4 rounds. If he can do that he has an excellent chance when the pace slows a little....."if".
I'm not sure its a huge "if" for Barrera to survive 4 rounds. Even at this stage he's got a good chin, he's got a defence, he's got ring craft. As long as he does not get too ambitious and sticks to a gameplan he shouldn't really get decimated. Khan is not a huge puncher, he's not unpredictable or varied in that he throws jab-rightcross-jab-rightcross, so a high guard would be key.

Then things get real interesting as Khan's speed starts to just fade a little. Maybe he gets frustrated or complacent after taking an early lead. Opportunities arise for MAB.

GazOC

03-03-2009, 04:08 PM

I don't thin he will get KO'd but I could certainly see him shipping enough punshment that the ref steps in.

TFFP

03-03-2009, 04:11 PM

I don't see that scenario personally. Not unless he gets a big favour from the ref which can't be ruled out I suppose. I just don't see that type of power in Khan, and his offense might look amazing against Oisin Fagan but against an experienced head with good defence I'm not sure. He does not throw too many hooks, only occasional uppercuts and no bodywork to speak of. Barrera can be content to block if things start really bad.

And to be honest...every punch thrown is a chance to counter and it might only take one!

Intriguing fight.

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 04:13 PM

Thats the key to the fight, Barerra will have to weather a storm for the first 3 or 4 rounds. If he can do that he has an excellent chance when the pace slows a little....."if".

i respectfully disagree i feel that khan is going to be measured and cautious in his approach for the first 3 rounds before picking up the pace in the middle rounds and maybe with a bit of luck drop barrera before the fights stopped after a barrage of punches

GazOC

03-03-2009, 04:17 PM

This must be good match, theres plenty of differing opinions.

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:18 PM

saying khan will be taken to school is a bit unkind considering hes won an olimpic silver, barrera is more skilled dont get me wrong

Mckinney was an Olympic Gold Medalist. Barrera stopped him.

Claypole

03-03-2009, 04:22 PM

saying khan will be taken to school is a bit unkind I don't think I'm being unkind, there would be no shame in being schooled by a great fighter like MAB.

Winning an Olympic medal does not mean a fighter can't be schooled. It happened to Audley, and could happen to Khan.

Claypole

03-03-2009, 04:23 PM

i feel that khan is going to be measured and cautious in his approach for the first 3 rounds If he can do that for the full 12 rounds, he has a fair chance.

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:24 PM

I don't think I'm being unkind, there would be no shame in being schooled by a great fighter like MAB.

Winning an Olympic medal does not mean a fighter can't be schooled. It happened to Audley, and could happen to Khan.

This fight just makes sense for everyone.

If Amir cannot beat an aging blown up Featherweight, he ain't potential world class.

If Barrera can not beat an inexperienced, weak chinned, Amir Khan, he ain't a potenitial 4 divisional champion.

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 04:25 PM

Mckinney was an Olympic Gold Medalist. Barrera stopped him.

selfkill i respect your opinion and i see where your coming from with half your comments, but you have MABs name underneath your own, theirs no point in saying anything to you which you wont counteract.

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:28 PM

selfkill i respect your opinion and i see where your coming from with half your comments, but you have MABs name underneath your own, theirs no point in saying anything to you which you wont counteract.

Don't prejudge people.

I wouldn't be surprised if Khan wins. Barrera is old, hasn' fought a live opponent since Pacquiao, and is not a Lightweight.

However, I think Barrera's superior skills, experience, power, and punch resistance should get the job done.

There is room for arguments, however.

Amir being a Silver medalist does not mean a thing.

GazOC

03-03-2009, 04:28 PM

This fight just makes sense for everyone.

If Amir cannot beat an aging blown up Featherweight, he ain't potential world class.

If Barrera can not beat an inexperienced, weak chinned, Amir Khan, he ain't a potenitial 4 divisional champion.

Yep, I suppose that sums it up.

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 04:28 PM

GazOC

03-03-2009, 04:29 PM

Its worth noting from MABs interview just how long those wins he mentions (Naz, McKinney etc) were.

Pug1list

03-03-2009, 04:30 PM

Winning Olympic silver at 17 is quite a feat

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:32 PM

Its worth noting from MABs interview just how long those wins he mentions (Naz, McKinney etc) were.

It's also worth noting that Khan has not fought, lost, or beat anybody even close to the class of Mckinney, who is by no means the best win on MAB's resume.

If both fighters were in their 20s, this would be a FA Cup match between Manchester United and Preston North End.

ishy

03-03-2009, 04:34 PM

When this fight was made I thought Khan would win and I'm no Khan fan. Now I'm not so sure.

I think Barrera has took his last two fights a bit lightly but will be in the best shaoe he can for Khan.

We'll only find out on the night how much Barrera has left.

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 04:41 PM

Don't prejudge people.

I wouldn't be surprised if Khan wins. Barrera is old, hasn' fought a live opponent since Pacquiao, and is not a Lightweight.

However, I think Barrera's superior skills, experience, power, and punch resistance should get the job done.

There is room for arguments, however.

Amir being a Silver medalist does not mean a thing.

now your changing your tune because i saw straight through you

what do you mean superior power????

khan has a lot going for him in this fight

superior power
superior speed
superior agility
hes a hell of a lot younger than barrera and hasnt got 60 odd fights under his belt
khans a large lightweight and barreras smaller
superior reach

barrera has

superior defence
superior chin
superior boxing skills
superior experience

brown bomber

03-03-2009, 04:42 PM

It's also worth noting that Khan has not fought, lost, or beat anybody even close to the class of Mckinney, who is by no means the best win on MAB's resume.

If both fighters were in their 20s, this would be a FA Cup match between Manchester United and Preston North End.
Only preston would have to play without a goalie or a back four:good

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:45 PM

now your changing your tune because i saw straight through you

...What? :nut

what do you mean superior power????

Khan is a harder hitter, but he doesn't catch the shots as well as Marco.

khan has a lot going for him in this fight

As he did against shot Gomez, but he still got hurt to the body. The left hook to the ribs was Marco's best punch during his days at 122.

No point weighing up the pros and cons. The same thing applied to most of Amir's opponents, and it still didn't stop him from looking vunerable.

John18

03-03-2009, 04:46 PM

Hard one to pick as it's unclear how shot MAB is.

However, my (latest) prediction is an incredibly early intervention from the ref to stop MAB. I can see it now, Khan blasts away and MAB covers up to weather the storm from Khans fast hands, ref steps in to save him from punishment he wasn't taking.

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:48 PM

GazOC

03-03-2009, 04:50 PM

It's also worth noting that Khan has not fought, lost, or beat anybody even close to the class of Mckinney, who is by no means the best win on MAB's resume.

If both fighters were in their 20s, this would be a FA Cup match between Manchester United and Preston North End.

But he doesn't have to be as good as McKinney, he isn't fighting a 25 year old Barerra at 122lbs.:p;)

John18

03-03-2009, 04:51 PM

That BEST not happen. :|

I hope it doesn't but I can see it happening.

Addie

03-03-2009, 04:52 PM

But he doesn't have to be as good as McKinney, he isn't fighting a 25 year old Barerra at 122lbs.:p;)

Well observed.

Khan ain't fighting a school teacher this time out either, so he will have all he can handle.

DOM5153

03-03-2009, 04:54 PM

...What? :nut

Khan is a harder hitter, but he doesn't catch the shots as well as Marco.

As he did against shot Gomez, but he still got hurt to the body. The left hook to the ribs was Marco's best punch during his days at 122.

No point weighing up the pros and cons. The same thing applied to most of Amir's opponents, and it still didn't stop him from looking vunerable.

sorry about the first comment i was wrong to say that

khan is obviously a big hitter and barrera wont have been hit as hard as he will be by any lightweight thus far.

he looks vunrable and thats what makes him so exciting to watch, it would be boring if he had a rock solid chin

widdy

03-03-2009, 05:02 PM

Only preston would have to play without a goalie or a back four:good

i was thinking more like accy stanley with out goalie and back 4:rofl

boxingwriter

03-03-2009, 05:08 PM

A lot depends on how much Khan has learned from his time with Roach, it is impossible to tell from his fight with Fagan but working with one of the best trainers in the world should at least go some way to improve the vulnerabilities Khan has shown in the past.
On the other hand Roach is not a miracle worker and if Khan goes back to his bad habits Barerra could definately stop him. If a shot Gomez and a fighter like Willie Limmond can hurt Khan then imagine what MAB can do to him.
As for the age and weight factor, I have always said that any former world champion, even an aging blown up one, poses more of a threat than a younger guy who is at his natural weight and who is nowhere near world class (eg, Limmond), so by this reasoning I have to give the edge to Barerra.

xoborp

03-03-2009, 05:45 PM

Thats the key to the fight, Barerra will have to weather a storm for the first 3 or 4 rounds. If he can do that he has an excellent chance when the pace slows a little....."if".

I Disagree, i feel that it is the other way around, and that Khan will need to weather the storm.

Khan will be very cautious in the early rounds, and MAB will sense this, and from the second round onwards he will take it to Khan, how Khan handles it nobody knows, i personally feel that he has not got rid of the ghost of prescott out of his head yet, and when he is confronted with a MAB that is fully focussed and intent, Khan will realise that this fight has come to soon for him, a MAB at only 40% of what he used to be totally obliterates Khan IMO.

Khans previous opposition, have mostly been good fighters, "In there day" and none have really took him into the unknown, so it will be a reality check for Mr Khan when he realises that Mr Barrera isnt really "That Shot" and he does take him there.

But as i have stated in previous posts, If Khan Loses, his trainer will get sacked, he wont acknowledge MAB as a great fighter Etc Etc.

If he wins, people will just say fantastic Khan beat Barrera, but in reality, all Khan has done, just as he has throughout his career, is beaten somebody who was way over the hill, just another typical Khan fight.

Barrera in Five for me..

Pug1list

03-03-2009, 05:49 PM

Why is Barrera 'shot' or 'over the hill', won his last two fights and took jmm & pac the distance before that, things de la hoya and juan diaz couldn't manage.

abzmanc

03-03-2009, 05:54 PM

All I will say is I cant fooking wait for this fight. We will know much more about Khan after the fight. Right now its all damn speculation.

izmat

03-03-2009, 06:38 PM

One thing I am sure about is that Barerra looks in good shape.
In his other fights he looked soft in the belly area!

izmat

03-03-2009, 06:41 PM

Why is Barrera 'shot' or 'over the hill', won his last two fights and took jmm & pac the distance before that, things de la hoya and juan diaz couldn't manage.

I remember when I suggested that Khan might fight Barerra people doubted it and thought ****** would more likely put Khan in with Gainer etc

GazOC

03-03-2009, 07:10 PM

I Disagree, i feel that it is the other way around, and that Khan will need to weather the storm.

Khan will be very cautious in the early rounds, and MAB will sense this, and from the second round onwards he will take it to Khan, how Khan handles it nobody knows, i personally feel that he has not got rid of the ghost of prescott out of his head yet, and when he is confronted with a MAB that is fully focussed and intent, Khan will realise that this fight has come to soon for him, a MAB at only 40% of what he used to be totally obliterates Khan IMO.

Khans previous opposition, have mostly been good fighters, "In there day" and none have really took him into the unknown, so it will be a reality check for Mr Khan when he realises that Mr Barrera isnt really "That Shot" and he does take him there.

But as i have stated in previous posts, If Khan Loses, his trainer will get sacked, he wont acknowledge MAB as a great fighter Etc Etc.

If he wins, people will just say fantastic Khan beat Barrera, but in reality, all Khan has done, just as he has throughout his career, is beaten somebody who was way over the hill, just another typical Khan fight.

Barrera in Five for me..

Nah, think Khan will try to impose himself physically from early on in the fight. I've no idea how "shot" MAB is or isn't or whether Khan is mentally over the Prescott fight though, you do sound a little bitter about Khan...

Darni187

03-04-2009, 05:08 AM

Hard to really say whats going to happen in this fight, that why I cant wait. All I am going to say, this is like a world title fight for Khan, the whole boxing world is going to be watching, the ball is in Khan's court now, lets see what Khan is really all about.

JIM KELLY

03-04-2009, 06:56 AM

I expect Khan to come out like he did against fagan, use the ring space to utilise the jab. This will be vital for khan, and exciting too!
After the prescott damage , anything can happen. The roach training may bring khan into some superior mode against MAB.

DOM5153

03-04-2009, 07:46 AM

Darni187

03-04-2009, 09:57 AM

Khan will be right up for this, he has been training like a madman for this fight, His fast jab will be the key in the fight.

Addie

03-04-2009, 10:21 AM

Guy

03-04-2009, 10:25 AM

Don't be fooled by the Roach. He is a glorified cheerleader.

Does that include his Hatton v Pac predictions?

Addie

03-04-2009, 10:29 AM

Does that include his Hatton v Pac predictions?

His predictions hold zero weight considering he is involved with one of the fighters to begin with. Mayweather sr will predict a Hatton victory, as will Hatton's promoter. It's all to be ignored.

As for the Roach, he cannot possibly turn Amir into a world class fighter by March 14th, and he'll need to be one if he comes away with the victory. That said, perhaps if Marco is completely shot, the current Amir will have enough to get the job done. Roach ain't no miracle worker.

Guy

03-04-2009, 10:32 AM

He's never going to say 'My fighters going to lose because X.Y.Z' as Floyd wont either but it's refreshing of Roach to say if Khan can't do Barrera he might as well forget it.

brown bomber

03-04-2009, 10:48 AM

Don't be fooled by the Roach. He is a glorified cheerleader.

based on what? He speaks a lot of sense

Addie

03-04-2009, 10:52 AM

based on what? He speaks a lot of sense

A lot of us speak a lot of sense, but we aren't superstars are we. He can't go into the gym and make Amir Khan a World Class operator from here till March 14th. I don't care how good he thinks he is. He cannot make that happen. There has to be some drastic improvement in Khan if he plans on not only beating a war torn champion like Marco, but to then go and make noise at 135, probably the second most stacked division in Boxing.

brown bomber

03-04-2009, 10:58 AM

What has that got to do with him been a cheerleader?

DOM5153

03-04-2009, 11:13 AM

he doesnt like roach because he doesnt like khan

to be honest khan wont need to be world class on the night to beat barrera, timing is crucial , khan is on the up, barrera is on the slope

ApatheticLeader

03-04-2009, 11:29 AM

khan will beat him suprisingly easily
I totally agree.

Addie

03-04-2009, 12:05 PM

A couple of weeks after Khan started training in the Wildcard gym, Roach said that Khan still boxes alot in amateur style. And his defence had alot of big flaws. These are the two main things that Roach had been working on. And a couple a weeks before the Fagan fight Michael Gomez (who sparred with Khan) said that Khan's defence made a huge improvement.

So its not like Roach has to do any "miracles" he just have to adjust mainly these two things. You're underestimating Khans boxing skills and Roach's training skills. Khan will show on March 14th how much he improved.

I don't think so. It's wishful thinking on your part that Amir has made enough improvements to step 3-4 classes up..which I hope you realize he is doing. Marco was and never has been a part time fighter, and doesn't teach school kids or drive a taxi. At the end of the day, It's khan and Barrera in the ring, Joke Coach Roach will be doing no fighting for Khan.

ApatheticLeader

03-04-2009, 12:19 PM

I don't think so. It's wishful thinking on your part that Amir has made enough improvements to step 3-4 classes up..which I hope you realize he is doing. Marco was and never has been a part time fighter, and doesn't teach school kids or drive a taxi. At the end of the day, It's khan and Barrera in the ring, Joke Coach Roach will be doing no fighting for Khan.

Khan can fight 2 levels up, which is what this is in reality. In fact, it might not even be that.

Addie

03-04-2009, 12:24 PM

Khan can fight 2 levels up, which is what this is in reality. In fact, it might not even be that.

Barrera is at least 4 steps up from the Fagan's and Shot Gomez's of the world. Big trouble for Amir. I'm British, but I see nothing in Khan that makes me want to support him apart from maybe his admirable confidence.

ApatheticLeader

03-04-2009, 12:26 PM

Barrera is at least 4 steps up from the Fagan's and Shot Gomez's of the world. Big trouble for Amir. I'm British, but I see nothing in Khan that makes me want to support him apart from maybe his admirable confidence.This version of Barrera at lightweight isn't that. And even if he was, say, 3 steps up - Barrera isn't winning because everything is in Khan's favour. Barrera won't deal with the speed. He won't slip the punches, nor can he plow through them. I can also guarantee that the one thing you will see Khan doing more of is clinch on the inside.

Khan's gonna win this by stoppage, and I'll be drinking plenty to drown my sorrows.

Addie

03-04-2009, 12:28 PM

This version of Barrera at lightweight isn't that. And even if he was, say, 3 steps up - Barrera isn't winning because everything is in Khan's favour. Barrera won't deal with the speed. He won't slip the punches, nor can he plow through them. I can also guarantee that the one thing you will see Khan doing more of is clinch on the inside.

Khan's gonna win this by stoppage, and I'll be drinking plenty to drown my sorrows.

Amir is a gatekeeper at best. He will get stopped by anybody in the top 10, and this may include Marco. I'll be there to see it live.

Darni187

03-04-2009, 12:55 PM

Amir is a gatekeeper at best. He will get stopped by anybody in the top 10, and this may include Marco. I'll be there to see it live.

Sometimes a young fighter needs a challenge to rise to, Its Khan's time now, Barrera has had his, this is a fact. Still you cannot count MAB out because he is class but Khan's speed might even stop MAB early in the fight.

The main thing for Khan is to keep his focus all the time, otherwise he will get taged.

GazOC

03-04-2009, 12:59 PM

Khan's gonna win this by stoppage, and I'll be drinking plenty to drown my sorrows.

I'm putting some cash on Khan to help ease the pain.

Primadonna Kool

03-04-2009, 01:31 PM

I won't even be nervous before this fight, i just think it is gonna be..a very very easy fight for Amir Khan.

A total beat down into retirement...!

brown bomber

03-04-2009, 01:37 PM

I think that the hate for Khan is clouding this a bit for some of you folk..... No way is Roach a cheer leader... he's served his apprenticship and I rarely disagree with anything he says. He is realistic and knows a hell of a lot about the physics of a fight. The improvement Khan made in the Fagan fight surely demonstrates this. I'm a big fan of Oliver Harrison.... He's one of, if not the best trainer in the UK.... However Khan was on a different plain in his last fight. You don't get to where Roach has if you know fuck all.

With regards to Amir.... I'm thoroughly looking forward to this fight and of course I want Barrera to win. But if Khan beats Barrera then i'll have to admit that i've just watched something pretty special. At least as special as Williams beating Tyson.

It won't make Khan an ATG but it will certiainly move him in a better direction then the one he went in following Bredis Prescotts left hook. Give the kid a break he's only 22.

Primadonna Kool

03-04-2009, 01:40 PM

The Legacy ends on March 14th.

GazOC

03-04-2009, 01:49 PM

Sorry Jeff, but I don't see Khan being able to beat MAB as being as "special" as Williams bating Tyson. Tyson was probably further past his prime than MAB is but he was at least fighting in his natural weight division and was expected by most people to win the fight comfortably. Kahn has a number of phyisical advantages that give him a great shot in this fight, Williams was percieved at just being there to make up the numbers.

nicofly

03-04-2009, 01:57 PM

saying khan will be taken to school is a bit unkind considering hes won an olimpic silver, barrera is more skilled dont get me wrong

WTF! De gale and Fraudley both won Olympic Gold medals?? They would get schooled by someone in the top of thier divison?? :huh

widdy

03-04-2009, 04:10 PM

me and my mate will be there ringside(nearly)cheering mab on,hopefully we will have sombraros on(if we can rob some)

someone said b4 that mab has fought no one with khans speed,are you having a laugh mate,fuck me he has fought people who are twice as fast and much more power,look at his record and boxrec a few.

if khan wins i will eat humble pie(a very small slice)and give him a bit of credit.
but in my mind,khan can not beat a 50% MAB,so if he beats him,barrara is less than 50%,his last 2 fights are nothing to go on,they were nothing but jouneymen

brown bomber

03-04-2009, 05:34 PM

WTF! De gale and Fraudley both won Olympic Gold medals?? They would get schooled by someone in the top of thier divison?? :huhWhose your money on Gav?

DOM5153

03-04-2009, 06:25 PM

WTF! De gale and Fraudley both won Olympic Gold medals?? They would get schooled by someone in the top of thier divison?? :huh

stop trying to be clever, i was defending khan on the basis of people calling him talentless

Addie

03-04-2009, 06:27 PM

me and my mate will be there ringside(nearly)cheering mab on,hopefully we will have sombraros on(if we can rob some)

:lol: Me too.

I'll keep a look out for you.

nulty

03-04-2009, 06:32 PM

The Legacy ends on March 14th.

That not fair. When Amir loses to Marco it doesn't mean his legacy ends.

I think you need to look up the definition of legacy. Go on do it. I'll send you a dictionary if you like.

Primadonna Kool

03-04-2009, 07:16 PM

that not fair. When amir loses to marco it doesn't mean his legacy ends.

I think you need to look up the definition of legacy. Go on do it. I'll send you a dictionary if you like.

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nulty

03-04-2009, 07:25 PM

kjbdnkljadbkjdbjwekb.

WHAT?

I'll send you a tshirt with that on it. You live in Kirkby right?

I'll send to the ABC there. Oh wait you've never been near a boxing gym. WHAT?

Maybe I'll address it as follows:

The Jumped up would be sprinter
Kirkby (represent)
Merseyside
(dear postie look for the guy with a chip on his shoulder who is half way up mike tyson arse and begging Audrey to show him the anal force)

PS he might say yehhhhhhhhhh.

Primadonna Kool

03-04-2009, 07:35 PM

WHAT?

I'll send you a tshirt with that on it. You live in Kirkby right?

I'll send to the ABC there. Oh wait you've never been near a boxing gym. WHAT?

Maybe I'll address it as follows:

The Jumped up would be sprinter
Kirkby (represent)
Merseyside
(dear postie look for the guy with a chip on his shoulder who is half way up mike tyson arse and begging Audrey to show him the anal force)

PS he might say yehhhhhhhhhh.

ha ha ha ha ha.:lol:

Chill Out....just chill out.

And read your messages Soft lad.

Benjiabc

03-05-2009, 08:57 AM

is this fight on the box office!

abzmanc

03-05-2009, 08:58 AM

is this fight on the box office!

It sure is.

BURNLEYBLUE

03-05-2009, 12:58 PM

yeah, But where as last time everyone got stung for just under 60 seconds of chinless wonder. This time your payin 15 notes for just under 6 rounds of a mexican legend.
Kahn gets chinned late in the 5th IMO.
The tickets worth 100 quid of anybodys money.
Fat Frank laughin all the way to the bank again.

kerrminator

03-05-2009, 01:23 PM

Its still a robbery. Barrera v Morales was not PPV yet Barrera v China Chin is PPV :(

Wank ****** never ceases to rob lol

kerrminator

03-05-2009, 01:24 PM

I hope Marco rolls back the years and performs like we all know he can/did

kerrminator

03-05-2009, 01:25 PM

****** is the devil incarnate

icemax

03-05-2009, 03:40 PM

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Barrera looks old.....

He's starting to look like a cross between Brian Ferry and my old man:deal

abzmanc

03-05-2009, 04:48 PM

Its still a robbery. Barrera v Morales was not PPV yet Barrera v China Chin is PPV :(

Wank ****** never ceases to rob lol

This is true..but il bet my last quid on the fact that more people in the UK know of Amir Khan than of MAB or El Terrible. Not everyone is a dedicated boxing fan like the poster on here, but simply fairweather fans.

kerrminator

03-05-2009, 10:19 PM

I wonder how lomg ****** will wait til he puts the olympians on PPV. Wouldnt surprise me if he does it within 10 fights :(

nulty

03-06-2009, 05:48 AM

He's starting to look like a cross between Brian Ferry and my old man:deal

Wait until you see him in the ring on fight night.

Marco will be in tip top condition and Amir is getting KTFO.:deal

nulty

03-06-2009, 05:49 AM

I wonder how lomg ****** will wait til he puts the olympians on PPV. Wouldnt surprise me if he does it within 10 fights :(

I'd pay to watch Billy Joe and Gavin. You'd have to pay me to watch James DeFail.

pathmanc1986

03-06-2009, 06:16 AM

haha james deFail, I see numerous tabloid headlines sorted already!

brown bomber

03-06-2009, 06:18 AM

I'm meeting roach and maybe barrera next week!!!!

That is all.

Guy

03-06-2009, 06:39 AM

Nice one Jeff.

Ask them if they've seen your favourite movie 'Never back down'.

brown bomber

03-06-2009, 09:41 AM

Nice one Jeff.

Ask them if they've seen your favourite movie 'Never back down'.
:lol:Will do mate.... I think Barrera would enjoy it.... He's into the same kond of things as me I reckon. Fajitas, great films, superb boxing skills ... that kind of thing.

Addie

03-06-2009, 10:12 AM

I'm meeting roach and maybe barrera next week!!!!

That is all.

That's bullshit. How come your meeting Marco?

Guy

03-06-2009, 10:25 AM

:lol:Will do mate.... I think Barrera would enjoy it.... He's into the same kond of things as me I reckon. Fajitas, great films, superb boxing skills ... that kind of thing.

:goodSounds good to me!

Put the Never Back Down avatar back on NOW!!

brown bomber

03-06-2009, 10:39 AM

That's bullshit. How come your meeting Marco?Its not what you know....:lol: Trust me, I don't make things up. I don't need to.

D-MAC

03-06-2009, 10:59 AM

Its not what you know....:lol: Trust me, I don't make things up. I don't need to.

You just invent an alias to do that instead:hey

brown bomber

03-06-2009, 11:04 AM

You just invent an alias to do that instead:hey
Technically the alias speaks the truth too. Just controversial truths.... Not used it for ages tbh. ;)

GazOC

03-06-2009, 11:11 AM

This a clear case of pics or STFU......;O)

icemax

03-06-2009, 11:14 AM

Wait until you see him in the ring on fight night.

Marco will be in tip top condition and Amir is getting KTFO.:deal

My old man KO1 cheating Mexican cunt :good

p.Townend

03-06-2009, 11:23 AM

Barrera will come to this fight to win and would not have taken it if he thought he had a chance of losing.He is way above any of Khan`s previous opposition and i agree with him he is still a better fighter than Khan.Im not a Khan hater i just dont think he can win this fight,he needed to move up a level but i think someone with the skill and expierience of Barrera is a bad choice and think Barrera will outpoint him easily.

Addie

03-06-2009, 11:31 AM

GazOC

03-06-2009, 11:32 AM

TFFP

03-06-2009, 12:31 PM

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This was a pleasing read. Hopefully Barrera really is looking good in sparring and is motivated. If so Khan is in a lot of trouble.

GazOC

03-06-2009, 12:38 PM

I still fancy Khan early but the fight I can't get out of my head is how Gomez managed to weather the storm, get to Khan and had him in real trouble. If Gomez can do it, you'd have to think even an on the slide MAB can do it.

ishy

03-06-2009, 12:41 PM

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This was a pleasing read. Hopefully Barrera really is looking good in sparring and is motivated. If so Khan is in a lot of trouble.

Thanks for the link :good

I initially picked Khan but as we get closer to the fight I'm leaning more and more towards Barrera. He seems focussed and really wants to win this.

GazOC

03-06-2009, 12:49 PM

We're going to have to have a "Nail your colours to the mast" type thread on this nearer fight time. Every fuckers hedging their picks like crazy (inc me!!!).

JIM KELLY

03-06-2009, 12:54 PM

ill make my final prediction come fight night.
Right now im going with khan.

BIG WORM

03-06-2009, 12:54 PM

barrera all the way!!

nah, khan will piss on him. Then unify all the belts

D-MAC

03-06-2009, 12:56 PM

barrera all the way!!

nah, khan will piss on him. Then unify all the belts

:lol:

You da man Baileys.

rhinocoote

03-06-2009, 06:46 PM

when i first heard of this match-up i thought someone was spinning the press,,,,and then as it became reality ,all 'prescott' thoughts vanished!!
when he disposes of barrera,and i seriously feel he can,(,right time for him to face a fading barrera):yep
that is the easier part of the deal,
may god be with him when he steps in against marquez in his supposed next fight !!!!!!--he will find out about himself then.....:D

Bill Butcher

03-06-2009, 07:10 PM

9Ball

03-07-2009, 02:26 AM

So many things which can change the outcome of this fight. Many have already said 'MAB could be shot/on the slide', is Amir's defence going to have improved enough to stay away from MAB's power shots for long enough??
To be honest as long as Khan doesn't stick his chin out and his head back like in the Prescott/Limond/Gomes fights he should be ok chin wise. You could see an immediate improvement in the Fagin fight and that should be improved further still.

I see a cautious start from both with Khan just taking the early rounds before things start to open up a bit. Then what happens next is dependant on the 'intagiables' - Khans defence and MAB's fitness etc...very difficult to predict but I am going to go for a MAB win by TKO in the 9th Round of a pulsating fight.

Can't foooking wait!!

JonOli

03-07-2009, 11:40 AM

We're going to have to have a "Nail your colours to the mast" type thread on this nearer fight time. Every fuckers hedging their picks like crazy (inc me!!!).

I'll go for Kahn, but there's no way I'm discounting Barrera. In fact I think Barrera might win.

GazOC

03-07-2009, 11:46 AM

I'll go for Kahn, but there's no way I'm discounting Barrera. In fact I think Barrera might win.

:lol::good Yup, thats what I'm talking about....

izmat

03-07-2009, 11:50 AM

I can't wait for this fight ..it's a 55-45 fight IMO
Khan being a slight favourite

brown bomber

03-07-2009, 11:59 AM

I had a dream last night that barrera gets a little shaken in the first before stopping khan on a cut at the end of the second after badly shaking him!

JIM KELLY

03-07-2009, 12:34 PM

reading this thread is giving me goose bumps..

Important fight and ultra risky which can diminish Khan and be done as a significant name!
Damn..

izmat

03-07-2009, 12:37 PM

Barerra looks in good shape-Marquez reckons Barerra will be too much for Khan

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Axl_Nose

03-07-2009, 09:01 PM

Its such a sad thing that we are discussing a novice no-chin amatuer like Khan in the same sentence as a stellar 'proper' fighter like Barerra who has done it all, but the fight is on and this is how i see it ..
Ive been watching boxing for years and as soon as i heard this fight was taking place my immediate thought was '****** knows Barerra is finished'.
Why else would Frank ******, a man who is ultra protective of his fighters risk Khan fighting Barerra if he thought Marco had anything left ..
Khan has been put down by a few domestic, no talent bums, been sparked out by a relatively unknown Colombian and now hes taking on a 'past his best' hall of fame fighter .. I'll be supporting Marco next week but i expect Khan to win simply because Frank ****** wouldnt take a gamble like this if he thought his golden boy wouldnt win, i hope im wrong, i hope Marco roles back the years but if you watch boxing for years then you become cynical .. Either way Khan has to go up to 140 as soon as possible because matching him with any of the leading guys at 135 is an absolute joke and im not just talking about Marquez. Guzman, Diaz, Romanov, Valero, Casamayor and Katsidis would love to go in with Khan

GazOC

03-07-2009, 09:05 PM

I agree Axl, ****** has obviously heard and thinks that MAB is done. He may be right or he may be wrong but he's def. heard something on the grapevine...

icemax

03-07-2009, 09:19 PM

I agree Axl, ****** has obviously heard and thinks that MAB is done. He may be right or he may be wrong but he's def. heard something on the grapevine...

I honestly don't think that this fight has anything to do with Frank...it has Roach written all over it. ****** did an interview when the fight was announced and he looked and sounded like he was bricking it

icemax

03-07-2009, 09:22 PM

Khan has been put down by a few domestic, no talent bums, been sparked out by a relatively unknown Colombian and now hes taking on a 'past his best' hall of fame fighter ..

If as you say you have been watching boxing for years I would have expected more respect from you for fighters like Limond, Earl and Gomez....anyone who has the bollocks to try to earn a living by stepping through the ropes deserves better than being called a bum.

GazOC

03-07-2009, 09:24 PM

Axl_Nose

03-07-2009, 09:25 PM

I agree Axl, ****** has obviously heard and thinks that MAB is done. He may be right or he may be wrong but he's def. heard something on the grapevine...

Gaz i hate being this cynical, but the best way to erase the memory of the Prescott fight is to beat an 'over the hill' hall of fame fighter .. Ive seen it so many times over the years ..
I like Khan as a person, he seems like a good guy but it is crystal clear that as soon as he goes in with a dangerous fighter, hes finished. Hes got some nice offensive moves and hes got that flash of stardust but his fatal floor is that he cannot defend, he cant take a punch and you cant teach chin. Frank ****** can manipulate the casual fan but he cant fool the experienced boxing fan ..
I watched the SKY show last week and i thought DeGale was absolutely shocking. Jim Watt called it spot on, Nicky Piper thought he was brilliant but Piper's opinions always make me laugh .. Frankie Gavin looks like he has some fundamental ability that can be worked on but all the hype is always ridiculous with olympians. Professional boxing is a totally different sport and im sick of these olympic guys jumping the queue over other more deserving domestic fighters who have worked hard for little money to get were they are ..
Imagine an unknown British fighter putting in the performances that Khan has put in so far, ****** would drop him like a stone and say 'You havent got it son', but the hype goes on ....

icemax

03-07-2009, 09:26 PM

****** always had the option to say no to Roach if he thought the fight was THAT risky . I do think Roach was a major part in the fight happening though, I'm sure the rumours on MABs condition will have been doing the rounds.

When you have the trainer and fighter wanting a fight, then the promoter should take note, after all he is the employee as such :thumbsup

GazOC

03-07-2009, 09:34 PM

Until a boxer gets to real superstar status, the promoter being the employee has always been more theoretical than practical (unfortuneaty).

I think Ray Leonard/ Mike Trainer employed promoters right from the start of Leonards career though.

boxingwriter

03-07-2009, 09:35 PM

I honestly don't think that this fight has anything to do with Frank...it has Roach written all over it. ****** did an interview when the fight was announced and he looked and sounded like he was bricking it

Maybe ****** knows Khan is going nowhere so he is cashing out with the Barerra fight, if Khan loses, ****** still makes a fortune on the ppv and drops Khan to concentrate on the new Olympians. If Khan wins ****** is back in business with a huge PPV European or even world title shot for Khan.
****** wins either way.

GazOC

03-07-2009, 09:40 PM

Maybe ****** knows Khan is going nowhere so he is cashing out with the Barerra fight, if Khan loses, ****** still makes a fortune on the ppv and drops Khan to concentrate on the new Olympians. If Khan wins ****** is back in business with a huge PPV European or even world title shot for Khan.
****** wins either way.

I think ****** needs Khan for another 18 months while the Olympians build themselves up. I'd be surprised if he regards Khan as being disposable at this stage of things.

boxingwriter

03-07-2009, 09:46 PM

I think ****** needs Khan for another 18 months while the Olympians build themselves up. I'd be surprised if he regards Khan as being disposable at this stage of things.

But whether ****** needs him or not is irrelevant, if Khan cannot win a meaningful fight, no one will want to watch him so he becomes disposable to ******.
Like Roach said, if Khan cannot beat Barerra, he should quit boxing. Where can he go if he loses and do you think ****** will stick with him through another loss, I don't think so.

GazOC

03-07-2009, 09:49 PM

But whether ****** needs him or not is irrelevant, if Khan cannot win a meaningful fight, no one will want to watch him so he becomes disposable to ******.
Like Roach said, if Khan cannot beat Barerra, he should quit boxing. Where can he go if he loses and do you think ****** will stick with him through another loss, I don't think so.

So doesn't that tell you that ****** thinks (or has been told) that Khan can beat MAB rather than he's just cashing in one last time on Khan?

boxingwriter

03-07-2009, 10:06 PM

So doesn't that tell you that ****** thinks (or has been told) that Khan can beat MAB rather than he's just cashing in one last time on Khan?

Yeah I agree that is one explanation but there are easier opponents with big names that ****** could have chosen for Khan, why Barerra? This fight is a risk even if some think Barerra is past it. They say the last thing a boxer loses is his punch and with Khan's chin issues it has an element of an "all or nothing" fight for Khan, if you know what I mean.

GazOC

03-07-2009, 10:17 PM

I have a pet theory on this, I reckon Roach thinks that MAB is so shot that it will be an easy night for Khan. Roach figures that MAB being shot isn't common knowledge outside the boxing community yet so whoever beats him first gets all the kudos and ranking. They want that fighter to be Khan because whoever beats MAB after his next loss will get virtually no credit for it.

Just a theory....;O)

Akxtinguish

03-08-2009, 04:24 AM

Yeah I agree that is one explanation but there are easier opponents with big names that ****** could have chosen for Khan, why Barerra?

To be fair, I can't think of a bigger name. Barrera is the kind of legend who isn't just big in one or two countries. He really is a world-wide legend. On fight night I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant portion of the home crowd backing Barrera, which shows just how legendary he is.

But I agree with what you say:

This fight is a risk even if some think Barerra is past it. They say the last thing a boxer loses is his punch and with Khan's chin issues it has an element of an "all or nothing" fight for Khan, if you know what I mean.

It IS an all or nothing fight for Khan, which is what makes it so important. If he loses it, even to Barrera, he's going to be looking at 1 win in his last 3 fights, and boxing is often an unforgiving sport to tainted records.

boxingwriter

03-08-2009, 04:57 AM

To be fair, I can't think of a bigger name. Barrera is the kind of legend who isn't just big in one or two countries. He really is a world-wide legend. On fight night I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant portion of the home crowd backing Barrera, which shows just how legendary he is.

It IS an all or nothing fight for Khan, which is what makes it so important. If he loses it, even to Barrera, he's going to be looking at 1 win in his last 3 fights, and boxing is often an unforgiving sport to tainted records.

That's why I think ****** is cashing out with Khan, because Barerra is such a big name and this fight was bound to capture the attention of a lot of boxing fans all over the world.
When I said ****** could have picked another big name, I meant if ****** really wanted to rebuild Khan's career, he could have picked someone who is definately beatable for Khan who also has a name. I don't see Barerra as a sensible fight for Khan only one fight after the loss to Prescott. That smacks of ****** trying to make as much money from Khan as possible cos he see's the gravy train is coming to a halt.
Unless Gazoc is correct and ****** knows something the rest of us don't about Barerra.

rhinocoote

03-08-2009, 10:55 AM

I think ****** needs Khan for another 18 months while the Olympians build themselves up. I'd be surprised if he regards Khan as being disposable at this stage of things.

i think ******'s interest in khan is purely business!!;
it has been since the start,,i don't even think he likes khan!!
khan has been the most marketable fighter in this country since naz,,this is why his shows have been over-stated,over-hyped and as glam as possible....instant bucks for frank,he knows how short-lived khan's career could be ,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,so,whilst making good moneyfor himself,, he could be doing khan a big favour bringing him onto a big stage early,,,,
with premature superstars these days,, a promoters lifespan with fighters is shorter than ever,,,
boxing wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the ******s of this world.:smooch

rooq

03-08-2009, 12:00 PM

lets be honest. the three olympians will probably never replace the revenue khan brought in even if they go on to have successful careers.

degale is just not very likeable and the other two aren't particularly media friendly. none of the three will attract an obsessive following like khan has with a large section of the asian community.

Chinny

03-08-2009, 02:01 PM

Roach doesn't need to waste time with anything less than world class, hence this big test to see if Prescott was a one off.

I just can't see Barerra not shaking Khan. Barerra is really, really durable. I've bet on a MAB KO between rounds 1-3

brown bomber

03-08-2009, 02:07 PM

i think ******'s interest in khan is purely business!!;
it has been since the start,,i don't even think he likes khan!!
khan has been the most marketable fighter in this country since naz,,this is why his shows have been over-stated,over-hyped and as glam as possible....instant bucks for frank,he knows how short-lived khan's career could be ,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,so,whilst making good moneyfor himself,, he could be doing khan a big favour bringing him onto a big stage early,,,,
with premature superstars these days,, a promoters lifespan with fighters is shorter than ever,,,
boxing wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the ******s of this world.:smoochYour ridiculous

rhinocoote

03-09-2009, 08:03 AM

read again bolton boy,,,,,i'm actually supporting khan!!

Guy

03-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Barrera "I heard all the same talk about Hamed when I beat him and taking care of Khan will be even easier."

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Barrera told FW tv. "Right now, I am actually not focusing on his chin,"

"If his chin was shaky in that fight or it wasn’t, I really didn’t focus on that in my training. I really focus on going into the ring and doing my job.

"I just have a lot of respect for him. He is a young fighter. Like I said before, he has excellent hands. He is in great condition."

"I am focusing on one thing. March 14, go to Manchester in front of a lot of fans that I have there, because I have fans there too, and have a great night and do what I do, box. And try to come with a win. Then we will talk about the title."