Thx to us Kess vs joe is on!

[tsr]

It now looks like Kess and joe is going to definitly go ahead. Without Eastside boxing this fight would never have happened.
I remember emailing joe' s website heaps of times about joe fighting kess in the last year , and the reply always was that Kessler is not a big name and not a drawcard bla bla bla.
I also remeber only a bit over a year ago a few of the danish boys were starting threads about Kessler trying to get his name out there because noone heard of him on the general forum.
i reakon esb should get a cut of the millions this fight is going to generate.

Fuck what a difference a year makes in boxing hey!

[justaboxingfan]

Source?

[pipe wrenched]

Are you sure or is this wishful speculation??

[stiflers mum]

i would like to think that TSR but i think the 5.5 million may of had a wee bit more to do with it mate.

[Sizzle]

So is this pure fantasy or absolute delusion?

[Judas]

"almost certain...."
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[justaboxingfan]

"almost certain...."
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This is good news:good ; though i'm not getting my hopes up, still waiting for the official annoucement :deal :deal

[deram]

I am sure the public pressure (read ESB) had a lot to do with it. Which is great.

[DanePugilist]

So is this pure fantasy or absolute delusion?Probably Pure absolute delusional fantasy, but the ESB posters have voiced their claim as this is the match that has to happen.

I dare say that this site is filled with hardcore boxing fans. Any sane promoter should actually drop by:cool:

[IntentionalButt]

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Did i do that?

[DanePugilist]

Meh, most would still rather see Jermain Taylor vs Calzaghe or B-Hop vs Calzaghe.

When Kessler gets decimated, please - stay in the forums Dane guys...Have no doubt about it - I watched boxing way before Kessler was an itch in his fathers balls - and I bet a vast part of the danes here are in the same position.

[nervousxtian]

ESB has nothing to do with this if it happens. You think promoters give two shits about us?

Think again.

[DanePugilist]

ESB has nothing to do with this if it happens. You think promoters give two shits about us?

Think again.They should - as we are their main target group for earning money.

[IntentionalButt]

ESB has nothing to do with this if it happens. You think promoters give two shits about us?

Think again.

Ok. Upon thinking again, it occurs to me that promoters give exactly two shits about us, as they look at the large membership of some boards and see dollar signs.

[DanePugilist]

The fact that Taylor didn't play ball on negotiations and that Winky/B-Hop are out of the loop due to their fight is why Kessler vs Calzaghe is happening.

Short of that, Calzaghe could've only really gone up to face a Dawson.

But if he beats Kessler, surely no one can dispute he's been the best champ at 168 (note, champ, not fighter - RJJ is still the best at 168)Yes - this is pretty much it. Other alternatives have been tried - however - this is the match that had to happen - and maybe it is.

[nervousxtian]

Honestly, how many active posters are on ESB? We may be vocal, but we're isolated, fuck, if they gave a shit about us, they'd be in here shilling a whole lot more, but instead we get guys like Ding, and Edison Miranda shills.

We don't even make a dent on the WnF ratings, let alone a PPV draw.

[deram]

The funny thing is that Blocky has definitely done his to create awareness and controversy for this fight.

It IS the natural fight that must happen, but the funny thing is that even the few people that would rather see something else, have contributed to making this THE fight to be made.

[China_hand_Joe]

The winner of Hopkins Wright will get more respect though.

[deram]

The winner of Hopkins Wright will get more respect though.

True.

[China_hand_Joe]

But if the winners face each other, suddenly that respected fighter would be utterly shot.

[DanePugilist]

Honestly, how many active posters are on ESB? We may be vocal, but we're isolated, fuck, if they gave a shit about us, they'd be in here shilling a whole lot more, but instead we get guys like Ding, and Edison Miranda shills.

We don't even make a dent on the WnF ratings, let alone a PPV draw.Well, this site contains alot of hardcore boxing fans. We may be a vast minority of the PPV'ers, but I dare say, the things in which we speculate is shared by all hardcore fans as a whole.

If a promoter dipped his head in here, he would realize what the HC boxing fans wants to see, and that equal dollars to a promoter. Its all about knowing your target group, and we are one such.

[DanePugilist]

But if the winners face each other, suddenly that respected fighter would be utterly shot.Yes, some boxing fans are fast on the trigger...

Btw - your new avatar is almost subliminal.

[China_hand_Joe]

I have had actual subliminal ones before, it is probably good nobody noticed.

[DanePugilist]

The articles I wrote for the Calzaghe vs Kessler fight got more comments and hits than pretty much any other article at the time - I've been taking a break from writing recently because I haven't had the time to keep up to date on things...

But once this fight is announced, I'll highlight it's importance in some more articles that cut to the point.

Being that 75% of the posters here see me as a big talking shitwit - 25% agree with me, when Kessler gets absolutely fried, I'm pretty sure the 75% that disagree will either forget what they were disagreeing about or will plainly fuck off.

In any case, lets hope the fight happens - I still say it's 60% unlikely.Will you stick around, if Kessler beats Calzaghe? I do look forward to a thread, made by you, that hails the abilities of Kessler.

[DanePugilist]

I have had actual sumbliminal ones before, it is probably good nobody noticed.Touche - this made me spill coffee - luckily just out of reach of the keyboard.

[IntentionalButt]

Why has Taylor's name been dragged in here to sully this thread?

[DanePugilist]

That was a shitty bet - for both participants. Call it off.

[China_hand_Joe]

Touche - this made me spill coffee - luckily just out of reach of the keyboard.It is fixed. Hopefully it isn't interpretted as anti-religious now.

[DanePugilist]

It is fixed. Hopefully it isn't interpretted as anti-religious now.No one - no one can make me laugh like you can, dear China. Your humor is of the highest order.

[THN]

Blocky boy, we'll stay, here if JC wins he's the best.

[Brickhaus]

The fact that Taylor didn't play ball on negotiations and that Winky/B-Hop are out of the loop due to their fight is why Kessler vs Calzaghe is happening.

Short of that, Calzaghe could've only really gone up to face a Dawson.

But if he beats Kessler, surely no one can dispute he's been the best champ at 168 (note, champ, not fighter - RJJ is still the best at 168)

What would moving up to fight Dawson do? Dawson isn't even a draw. Only hardcore fans know him, and because of his alphabet strap, he's command a higher % of the purse than no-names like Inkin. Besides, what are the names at LHW doing anyway? Whacking their puds? While it would be tough to negotiate, I'd have to imagine that RJJ or Tarver would jump at the opportunity to fight Calzaghe, and to anyone but the hardcore fan, a win over one of those two would mean more than a win over Dawson anyway.

[RUSKULL]

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Did i do that?

Where did you find that picture of Reggie?

[Max Molyneux]

The winner of Hopkins Wright will get more respect though.

Hopkins Is getting too addicted to boxing and won't retire and Winky hasn't done much at Middle, screw them two.

[achillesthegreat]

I agree. When frank******.tv wrote articles about who was fighting Joe, I always wrote it's all about Kessler. Plus, many in the boxing industry definitely look at ESB.

ESB is the best forum on the net.

[satyriion]

It is fixed. Hopefully it isn't interpretted as anti-religious now.


Not at all, atheism is kind of a religion too. Got a lot of worshippers.

Anyway I think you are discriminating against another big worldreligion here. Some people could feel ignored, and start burning China-hand-joe dolls in the regions of the world where said religion dominates or aspires to dominate free thinking. Bit like Blockyass.

You should make rotation with all the "prophets" on display. Equal time for all.

Since this threa(t)d is about the importance of these forums in world events, we might set our targets even higher than the heaveans.:rasta

[Faetter_BR]

Two weight champions tend to get looked at with higher kudos (if they're not HWs)

Short of fighting Dawson - well, he's not going to get Taylor, B-Hop and Winky are tied up, not worth facing RJJ, Tarver isn't worth it anymore and I don't see Arthur Abraham or Kelly Pavlik stepping up to face him.

never going to happen - loads of people has been two-weight champions and three and four...

Only one has defended his title 25 times - Joe Louis - this is the record Calzaghe is going for - that's why he hasn't moved anywhere and wouldn't do so unless there is a really big paycheck in it - and there are none of those in LHW atm (other than Hopkins - and I'm sure Hopkins can be persuaded to fight at 168)

The best thing that can happen for Calzaghe is a narrow win over Kessler in the UK - so there can be a rematch. If this fight is just half as good as I exspect - then people will want to see a rematch :)

[Faetter_BR]

Not at all, atheism is kind of a religion too. Got a lot of worshippers.

Anyway I think you are discriminating against another big worldreligion here. Some people could feel ignored, and start burning China-hand-joe dolls in the regions of the world where said religion dominates or aspires to dominate free thinking. Bit like Blockyass.

You should make rotation with all the "prophets" on display. Equal time for all.

Since this threa(t)d is about the importance of these forums in world events, we might set our targets even higher than the heaveans.:rasta

yeah - I dare you China to make a Muhammed drawing :hey :hey :hey

[Faetter_BR]

I still say that hindsight will show Jeff Lacy as a much bigger and better fighter than Kessler. That will do more for Joe's legacy than the Kessler win

I have the feeling after he spanks Kessler, Kessler may beat the Mundine type fighters but he's not really going to figure much afterwards - similar to say a Quartey after his loss against De La Hoya - was never really the same afterwards.

unless Kessler's chin turns out to be made of glass - then there is no way in hell Calzaghe is going to beat Kessler as convincingly as he did Lacy - hell he beat Lacy more convinsingly than he did Veit II apart for the stoppage :)

As for what would happen if Kessler looses - nobody knows. If he just goes on to beat "mundine-kind of fighters" then that would be OK - as Mundine is widely considered number #3 in SMW - you can't fight people better than the availible opponents... :)

[C.J.Rock]

The fact that Taylor didn't play ball on negotiations and that Winky/B-Hop are out of the loop due to their fight is why Kessler vs Calzaghe is happening.

Short of that, Calzaghe could've only really gone up to face a Dawson.

But if he beats Kessler, surely no one can dispute he's been the best champ at 168 (note, champ, not fighter - RJJ is still the best at 168)

Roy Jones is a shot fighter He basically wasted his wonderful God Given talent thats why he'l never be remembered as a true great

[PH|LLA]

:lol: this fight was gonna happen anyways

[DanePugilist]

:lol: this fight was gonna happen anywaysYeah - It couldn't be avoided, but I like to think the people of ESB made a difference.

[deram]

RJJ-DM?
JC-SO?
etc.
etc.

Many many many "unavoidable" fight has been avoided. Without this chain of events I doubt we would be anywhere near as close as we are now:
Public pressure -> HBO pressure -> Negotiations

Companies make market research to see what their customers want and what needs they need to satisfy next. Boxing promoters and TV comapnies look at boxing forums and magazines for such market research. ESB and other boards are more powerful than many fans realize.

[China_hand_Joe]

ESB and other boards are more powerful than many fans realize.Joe Calzaghe will be established as the P4P number one, I promise you that.

[satyriion]

Joe would have hell if boxed manfredo's till his 25th defense. He knows his hands won't last that long. 5.5 is ok. You can svallow a lot of pride with that kind of gravy.

Saw his own comments on the fight, seems a done deal. He praises Mikkel and recognizes his qualities as a champ. He is even hypeng it up to be one of the major fights of the year...Anyway, he is real nice and straightforward. He wants the fight Mikkel wants it. The public and the hardcore wants it. Well the public might not now yet. It is gonna happen.

Hey China, Are you the MAN ? You might get to add a Sir, for the kind act of
equal rights for all faiths.

I would be disgusted and dissapointed beyond disbelief if you chosse to ignore the challenge of equality for our muslimbrethren. Put forth by toycousin.

If you abandon this most amusing trend in avatars, I shall be truly disappointed, but conclude that you must feel terrified and unwilling to fight for free expression of one true conviction.

Anyways China. Do you have a good picture or drawing of this guy Muhammed ? I know a couple of guys that could help you out.

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[China_hand_Joe]

I wish you Danes would draw some more, so the lunatics can show themselves up again. But it suits me fine to use Jesus and Jesus alone. It is an American anti-Joe Calzaghe conspiracy I am battling afterall and they are all christians.

[Amsterdam]

I wish you Danes would draw some more, so the lunatics can show themselves up again.

Other religions may take more offence than docile christians however.

[Amsterdam]

Yeah - It couldn't be avoided, but I like to think the people of ESB made a difference.

Well, could be, other boards blatantly bash Calzaghe....

Where as ESB has a strong and loyal Calzaghe fanbase of very knowledgable fans generally that keep things in check, most also have a respect for Kessler and want the fight anyway... this has lead to progressive discussions on the SMW divisions instead of an abundance of ignorance.

When people come on here and say "I've never liked Calzaghe, but if he defeats Kessler, I'll hold him in the same realm as Jones at 168", if I was Joe and say that repeated by many different posters and other similiar things, it'd make me think differently...

So who knows, but when the fight comes off, we all win, because we have a hell of a fight on our hands and it's all European for once.:good

[China_hand_Joe]

Other religions may take more offence than docile christians however.How would Kim Jong-il deal with the protesters?

[Zakman]

Meh, most would still rather see Jermain Taylor vs Calzaghe or B-Hop vs Calzaghe.

When Kessler gets decimated, please - stay in the forums Dane guys...

"Decimated" is perhaps a bit overstating it, but I expect the fight to be a Lacy-style one-sided beatdown. Kessler is very overrated by many boxing fans, just like Lacy was.

[Max Molyneux]

Now Calzaghe will win the WBC and WBA belts too!:happy :happy :happy

[Amsterdam]

How would Kim Jong-il deal with the protesters?

Force. But do you respect Kim Jong Il? NK is nothing. It's not like the USSR actually producing a Worldwide economic monster under a wicked Dictator in Joseph Stalin...

You can point that Stalin aside from his awful mistreatment policies of the general citizens accomplished much in the development of the USSR, Kim Jong Il is just an inherrited position from Kim Il Sung and they both relate to the incompetance of Mao, rather than the destructive progression of Stalin.

But honestly, a Kruschev is a better example, or a Josip Broz Tito, both of whom I have a respect for.

[China_hand_Joe]

When people come on here and say "I've never liked Calzaghe, but if he defeats Kessler, I'll hold him in the same realm as Jones at 168", if I was Joe and say that repeated by many different posters and other similiar things, it'd make me think differently...

What we need to do now is build up Kessler. We need to commit the other posters into saying "Well if Joe beats Kessler he makes my top 3 P4P" so it is difficult for them to take it back after the fight.

[Max Molyneux]

"Decimated" is perhaps a bit overstating it, but I expect the fight to be a Lacy-style one-sided beatdown. Kessler is very overrated by many boxing fans, just like Lacy was.

Finally a non chin judging post from the Zak-man.:D

Kessler's chin needs testing though, he's not been hit enough yet.:deal

[Max Molyneux]

:lol: this fight was gonna happen anyways

Alot of Boxing fans are too negative and Impatient to why there was all this criticism.

[Amsterdam]

"Decimated" is perhaps a bit overstating it, but I expect the fight to be a Lacy-style one-sided beatdown. Kessler is very overrated by many boxing fans, just like Lacy was.

Kessler's style and his mastery of the boxer-puncher skill set will make this more interesting however than a one sided beatdown. I stand that it will be clear for Joe, maybe even a late stoppage.

Taylor however, would be flat decimated in 8 rounds or less, thus why they didn't pursue the "super fight".:yep

Glass jawed jokes generally don't want to fight P4P thrashers.

[China_hand_Joe]

Force. But do you respect Kim Jong Il? NK is nothing. It's not like the USSR actually producing a Worldwide economic monster under a wicked Dictator in Joseph Stalin...

You can point that Stalin aside from his awful mistreatment policies of the general citizens accomplished much in the development of the USSR, Kim Jong Il is just an inherrited position from Kim Il Sung and they both relate to the incompetance of Mao, rather than the destructive progression of Stalin.

But honestly, a Kruschev is a better example, or a Josip Broz Tito, both of whom I have a respect for.Half of North Korea was pretty much blown-up by the US but that is no excuse for him incompetantly running the country like he does, refusing help from other countries. He is a paranoid maniac and a fool for the most part.

[Amsterdam]

What we need to do now is build up Kessler. We need to commit the other posters into saying "Well if Joe beats Kessler he makes my top 3 P4P" so it is difficult for them to take it back after the fight.

He is without a doubt a top 3 P4P. Kessler is one of the 3 gems from 160-175.

Dawson, Calzaghe & Kessler are the three P4P level guys from these weight classes, anyone of them defeating the other garners a P4P ranking... in Calzaghe's case, a P4P jump to a higher spot.

Becoming the first Undisputed also helps, which the winner will.

[Amsterdam]

Half of North Korea was pretty much blown-up by the US but that is no excuse for him incompetantly running the country like he does, refusing help from other countries. He is a paranoid maniac with questionable intelligence.

Yes, and the populace, including the intellectual classes that even are ranked within the government, just except it without overthrowing such a little useless weasal.

[Max Molyneux]

What we need to do now is build up Kessler. We need to commit the other posters into saying "Well if Joe beats Kessler he makes my top 3 P4P" so it is difficult for them to take it back after the fight.

How about saying Kessler Is a god and to beat a god you need another god?

[In_FlaMeS]

Now Calzaghe will win the WBC and WBA belts too!:happy :happy :happy
This is not a good thing to take Kessler already beaten... show him some respect. He's a very well schooled fighter. I think Calzaghe will try to knock him early... but Kessler is a way better fighter than Lacy or Manfredo. If Calzaghe wins, he's truly the best but I think Kessler will beat him fair and square.

[deram]

Now Calzaghe will win the WBC and WBA belts too!:happy :happy :happy

Maybe. It always becomes a little scary when Joe actually says he wants a fight. The same happened with Lacy - as long as Joe was mute or saying nah..... Lacy and his fans were cocky and hapy. When Joe said "ok, let's get it on - I'm looking forward to it". The fans became a little worried.

Kessler fans may get a little worried too - especially of course when the fight is actually signed.

Just saw the Beyer fight again - Damn Kessler looked slow!! More powerful, but I am worried if he lost some speed, because speed will be very necessary against Joe. Kessler's speed is actually often underrated as he is very fast, but against Beyer he looked slow but powerful. He has said somethign about training speed for Calzaghe and bla bla.. Let's all hope that it is in the training. :-)

[China_hand_Joe]

He is without a doubt a top 3 P4P. Kessler is one of the 3 gems from 160-175.

Dawson, Calzaghe & Kessler are the three P4P level guys from these weight classes, anyone of them defeating the other garners a P4P ranking... in Calzaghe's case, a P4P jump to a higher spot.

Becoming the first Undisputed also helps, which the winner will.It is time to start hyping Mikkel (which is valid hype). The yanks are vunerable right now, all they have are Holyfield McCall, Grant, Morrison, Mercer and Kimbo to get excited about.

[Amsterdam]

It is time to start hyping Mikkel (which is valid hype). The yanks are vunerable right now, all they have are Holyfield McCall, Grant, Morrison, Mercer and Kimbo to get excited about.

My good man, have you not seen me hyping him and defending him? I have even become a cemented fan of MK.:good

[China_hand_Joe]

Just saw the Beyer fight again - Damn Kessler looked slow!! More powerful, but I am worried if he lost some speed, because speed will be very necessary against Joe. Kessler's speed is actually often underrated as he is very fast, but against Beyer he looked slow but powerful. He has said somethign about training speed for Calzaghe and bla bla.. Let's all hope that it is in the training. :-)He looked quick and powerful against that undefeated Marciano guy last time out, though he was able to set himself like he was working a heavybag so it probably doesn't count.

[Amsterdam]

Maybe. It always becomes a little scary when Joe actually says he wants a fight. The same happened with Lacy - as long as Joe was mute or saying nah..... Lacy and his fans were cocky and hapy. When Joe said "ok, let's get it on - I'm looking forward to it". The fans became a little worried.

Kessler fans may get a little worried too - especially of course when the fight is actually signed.

Just saw the Beyer fight again - Damn Kessler looked slow!! More powerful, but I am worried if he lost some speed, because speed will be very necessary against Joe. Kessler's speed is actually often underrated as he is very fast, but against Beyer he looked slow but powerful. He has said somethign about training speed for Calzaghe and bla bla.. Let's all hope that it is in the training. :-)

Kessler will lose because of styles and intangibles, but as I have always said, he beats anyone from the 160-175 crop EXCEPT for Calzaghe and Dawson, due to the speed to max equal skill in all of their respective styles....

Speed and swarming makes Kessler tentative, this is the worst thing to be against a ferocious boxer-swarmer throwing 70+ punches a round in blinding combinations.

BUT, I of course recognise that Kessler has a good chance and I am looking forward to the fight. If Kessler won, I wouldn't be sad, because I am a fan.

The fact that he would brutally break down and tactically take apart everyone from 160-175 except for two P4P level speedsters, shows Kessler inherrant quality as a top level pugilist.

[China_hand_Joe]

It is arguably, in pure boxing terms the biggest fight of all time where both fighters are in their optimum divison.

[deram]

He looked quick and powerful against that undefeated Marciano guy last time out, though he was able to set himself like he was working a heavybag so it probably doesn't count.

Yes, he did look faster against Andrade.

But have a look at the Beyer fight again. He moves like a bull dozer in that fight. Slow and like Gun-Jack from Tekken.

He will need more speed training for Calzaghe.

[Max Molyneux]

Good basics but Kessler shows no Inside fighting, doesn't take well to pressure and Calzaghe Is cosmic compared to Andrade.

Kessler basically just steps In and jabs then out, or the same but with straights In combinations or the odd hook. He covers ups for defence or when pressured, doesn't do much else there.

Good footwork and good at straights but overrated as a threat to Calzaghe, not overrated as a fighter though.

[Max Molyneux]

Kessler would beat Lacy too but not like Calzaghe beat him!

[China_hand_Joe]

Slow and like Gun-Jack from Tekken.
Harsh!

Do you think it is possible for Joe to beat Mikkel to the jab? Imagine watching the fight and seeing Joe do that in round one.

[satyriion]

Other religions may take more offence than docile christians however.

Well nonbrainwashed people like myself don't like the fact that the quoran states that I should be killed as a "curropter of the world". Same goes for people who want out from the cult. I am not a fuckin Dhimmie nor do I respect sharia, as I find it barbarian and cruel.

How on earth can anybody demand respect from people they threaten with death and submission.

Anyway I am deadsure there are some christians that feel just as offended as muslims would be, but their grief are just not as important as the muslims, hence my call for equal right to offend .

Muslim papers are full of evil and offending stuff dwarfing what they complain about.

The only reason China wont use Muhammed is the fact that somebody just might kill him for the offense. I don't think the american boxing parnass will issue a fatwa against China for this way of "hurting their feelings".

When speaking on ESB impact on the real world in this threa(t)d, I come to shiver from discomfort of the real worlds impact on writesr in the forum. China.

I am sure that nobody here would want to mess with the lunatics and have to live in hiding with policeprotection for expressing your views.

Hell, most people have their feelings hurt in here. It part of freedom of expression. But none of us have yet killed another esb writer or uttered a credible threat that might frighten another to curb or suppres his opinions.

It is actually a sad day, being reminded of the way our hardfought civil rights are being subjected to the rules of the dark ages of threaths and dead. This is also a kind of terror.

Sadly, I actually feel my response are relevant and in line with the topic discussed in this threa(t). But if Blocky can claim 75 % opposition i here I can claim 1.3 billion in opposition to me. I am probably also a minority on this forum. Which is sad.

[fightking12]

great fight hoping to see it

[China_hand_Joe]

The only reason China wont use Muhammed is the fact that somebody just might kill him for the offense. I don't think the american boxing parnass will issue a fatwa against China for this way of "hurting their feelings".

But there are less than a handfull of muslims who post here, it would simply be inefficient use of avatar space.

[satyriion]

:yep But there are less than a handfull of muslims who post here, it would simply be inefficient use of avatar space.:rofl

Hear,hear..... I feel peace and tranquility transcending my soul, knowing in my heart, that fear of bodily harm wasen't the real motivator for your dicriminating behavior. Hence you sound judgement and efficiency prevailed. But have you considered the potential influx, or cyberimmigration ESB could generate if you had a more avatarspace available, and a fake IP adress.

[satyriion]

But you are a little scared of the potential consequences....right?

[China_hand_Joe]

I am very bannable but the main reason is I cannot be bothered drawing a picture of old Moe and editing it in now.

[Faetter_BR]

Good basics but Kessler shows no Inside fighting, doesn't take well to pressure and Calzaghe Is cosmic compared to Andrade.

Kessler basically just steps In and jabs then out, or the same but with straights In combinations or the odd hook. He covers ups for defence or when pressured, doesn't do much else there.

Good footwork and good at straights but overrated as a threat to Calzaghe, not overrated as a fighter though.

I don't see why Kessler should fight in the inside - when he can win with more ease and lesser risk from the outside - that would be stupid. Although he did do just for shows in round 12 versus Andrade.

I don't see him having problems with pressure - he normally boxes his way out of trouble and very rarely covers up. He will normally take half a step back and when the opponent comes forward he'll counter. Versus Andrade he did a lot of sidestepping but to the same effect.

I find this fight very hard to predict - We've not seen Kessler versus Calzaghe's type (if there is such a type) - but what we've seen from Kessler is that he has hardly lost a round his whole career - which includeds wins over the rings number #3, #4 and #5. The question is - will it be enough versus Calzaghe?

And is Kessler able to bring his sparring to the real ring - in sparring he fights just fine on the inside - just ask Bika :)

[Decebal]

I am very bannable but the main reason is I cannot be bothered drawing a picture of old Moe and editing it in now.

I am surprised at your lack of civic courage, China Joe!:verysad

[Faetter_BR]

He is without a doubt a top 3 P4P. Kessler is one of the 3 gems from 160-175.

Dawson, Calzaghe & Kessler are the three P4P level guys from these weight classes, anyone of them defeating the other garners a P4P ranking... in Calzaghe's case, a P4P jump to a higher spot.

Becoming the first Undisputed also helps, which the winner will.

Who died and made Dawson P4P???

Dawson has one decent win - that's it!!!

He has a shaky chin - Harding (7KO in 23) had him down.

Dawson looked good in one fight against Adamek - who had close fights with Briggs... oh and then he is american - that has got to be why he is now suddenly a P4P prospect.

Kessler would beat him with ease - so would Calzaghe!!!

[PrideOfWales]

I'm fed up of talking about this fight and there's probably 5 months to go yet.

[Decebal]

I'm fed up of talking about this fight and there's probably 5 months to go yet.

were we even talking about this fight? I hadn't noticed...;)

[DanePugilist]

Maybe. It always becomes a little scary when Joe actually says he wants a fight. The same happened with Lacy - as long as Joe was mute or saying nah..... Lacy and his fans were cocky and hapy. When Joe said "ok, let's get it on - I'm looking forward to it". The fans became a little worried.

Kessler fans may get a little worried too - especially of course when the fight is actually signed.

Just saw the Beyer fight again - Damn Kessler looked slow!! More powerful, but I am worried if he lost some speed, because speed will be very necessary against Joe. Kessler's speed is actually often underrated as he is very fast, but against Beyer he looked slow but powerful. He has said somethign about training speed for Calzaghe and bla bla.. Let's all hope that it is in the training. :-)I hear what you are saying - and a little part of me feels that way - but the biggest part of me says - I just wanna know if Kessler has the goods to best Calzaghe in the ring.

Doing so with a confident JC makes it even better. If Kessler loses, well then he lost to a very confident and motivated Calzaghe, and that reflects on Kessler as well.

Of course I am proud as a dane of Mikkel, maybe what only other boxing minority countries can comprehend - but foremostly my heart beats for boxing - and by saying so - I just wish to have the best competitive matches - and not be let down.

I just wish that Kessler beats a JC in a match where both are at their very best - if possible.

[Decebal]

I hear what you are saying - and a little part of me feels that way - but the biggest part of me says - I just wanna know if Kessler has the goods to best Calzaghe in the ring.

Doing so with a confident JC makes it even better. If Kessler loses, well then he lost to a very confident and motivated Calzaghe, and that reflects on Kessler as well.

Of course I am proud as a dane of Mikkel, maybe what only other boxing minority countries can comprehend - but foremostly my heart beats for boxing - and by saying so - I just wish to have the best competitive matches - and not be let down.

I just wish that Kessler beats a JC in a match where both are at their very best - if possible.

:good

[DanePugilist]

Well, could be, other boards blatantly bash Calzaghe....

Where as ESB has a strong and loyal Calzaghe fanbase of very knowledgable fans generally that keep things in check, most also have a respect for Kessler and want the fight anyway... this has lead to progressive discussions on the SMW divisions instead of an abundance of ignorance.

When people come on here and say "I've never liked Calzaghe, but if he defeats Kessler, I'll hold him in the same realm as Jones at 168", if I was Joe and say that repeated by many different posters and other similiar things, it'd make me think differently...

So who knows, but when the fight comes off, we all win, because we have a hell of a fight on our hands and it's all European for once.:good:good - couldn't agree more - ESB posters from both camps and even posters with little interest in SMW - has pleaded for this match to happen by acknowledging the skills and importance of this match.

[Faetter_BR]

And going back to the skill debate...

You do realise if Kessler was really known and people had seen his fights (most of the fan base here just jump on the wagon) - there wouldn't be too many people saying he was overly skilled?

He takes the basics, he applies some very good raw materials (height, reflexes and intellect) on the basics and he makes them work.

He's yet to come up against someone that will break his gameplan.

For the love of god, please just realise one thing and one thing alone

Kessler will NOT win with the jab/jab/jab/right style you've seen him dominate other boxers with.. If Kessler doesn't find a new gameplan and hurt Joe early, he's not going to fare much better than Jeff Lacy.

Who, as I keep pointing out - had stiffer competition prior to the Calzaghe fight than Kessler has had.

yeah do keep saying that a we keep proving you wrong...

Vanderpool - have lost to Berrio - which gives you a fairly good indication of his skill level - and the fight was more or less tied at the time of the stoppage

Sheika - Sheika is a good journeyman and that's it, and still the fight 117-111, 115-113 and 115-113 - even Beyer beat him more convinsingly than that!!!

Rubin Williams - in a worldtitlefight - what a f*cking joke!!!

Robin Reid - a good win although Reid came of a layoff - but a good win granted!

Pemberton - lost to Manfredo - enough said

Sorry I just don't see this matching beating the rings number 3, 4 and 5 - and even if we asume that Lacy competision was as good or even a little better, then it doesn't make up for the fact that Kessler beat his opponents much much more convinsingly thatn Lacy - Lacy lost more rounds to Rubin Williams than Kessler has done in his whole career!!!

I also love the fact that you reduce Kessler to being good at the basics and big... if it doesn't take more to win 39 fights, beat 3 out of the rings top5 while loosing two rounds his whole career - then boxing is easier than I thought...

[deram]

First of all, Kessler for certain has beaten far better competition than Lacy has. Vanderpool, Pemberton, Sheika etc. they were all just fed to him. Even Shaw admitted that after they split and he had nothing to loose by saying so. They are all like Kessler's Thonbela or Bute's Tsesyvan. They were decent at the most. Bought to make him go a few rounds and look good. No more. He has never - except Calzaghe - been in the ring with someone (prior to Joe) that came with a hope of winning. Someone that could have beaten most people bar 10 or so. Kessler has meet several of that type: Beyer was world champ and no matter the abuse he gets he would still have beaten anyone except 10 or so. Mundine certainly would. Andrade would. Just to mention these three, Lacy has never met anyone remotely similar. Old and desillusioned Reid was brought over to get fucked over and just in case they had bought the ref too. He is more or less like Lucas was for Kessler, except that Lucas achieved more in his carreer than Reid.

So - no, the resumes of thoise two cannot be compared at all.

Concerning Calzaghe. Can he beat Kessler to the jab? Well.... hard to say. I think he may be able to at times (most cannot even once during a fight), but I doubt he can do so consistently enough to actually win in a jabbing contest. Imo. the most important thing for Kessler is that he feels light, quick and ready on the night - because if he feels a little heavy and powerful - then his brain will explode once Joe's arms start going like drumsticks. A Beyer-Kessler would probably be run over imo. and would afterwards say "I just didn't have it tonight - I felt slow and tired in there".

Joe will bounce around in that ring with the arms going like crazy and if Kessler is slow it will matter zip how powerful he may be. Kessler needs to focus entirely on speed imo. However, as said earlier, Kessler has shown really good speed earlier and I believe he can turn up with enough speed to not give Joe the fight. Again. he will not be able to do a Mundine on Calzaghe. Against Mundine he also looked a little slow (in sparring with Soliman he looked even worse..) but was still able to simply bully Mundine - and basically run him over. also he was still fast enough.

I am not worried about his power. Power will not be an issue against Calzaghe as he will have enough power no matter what. Imo. he needs to concentrate on two things:
A. Speed.
and figuring Joe's strategy out:
B. Slapping fast to make the other guy go back or cover up and only then start putting more power into punches. Joe is far the best in modern boxing in terms of punch power variety (not always clean and yes refs ought to look out for that, but effective).