Lets play - ESB HW champion tournament, Pt1

[Stinky gloves]

In reality its not going to happened :smoke we will never have true HW champion of the world :verysad
I propose however to vitualy establish ESB HW champion of the world within two weeks competition :bbb

1) First lets clear up the upcoming scheduled HW title fights ...
Holyfield-Ibragimov and Maskaev-Peter.
You decide who wins. I give you 3 days to finalize the poll.

2) After all titlelists are known, we start 4-man tournaments ...
one competition for each of WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO title.

You decide who will participate in each tournament, you must write
your favourite candidates and for which title you wanna him/them to fight

The most favoured candidates will fight to death to be next mandatory challenger. :bbb
The 4-man competition start right after the pt 1) will be cleared.

One exception - the IBF tournament has been already chosen: Brock-Povetkin, Byrd-Chambers.
So you decide for the next 12 names, you have 3 days ...

3) After the mandatory challengers are chosen we start the mandatory defenses.

4) After new order is established we will start title unifications ....


Within next two weeks we decide who the new HW champion of the world is
and who and how does he beat. Are you in :hi: ... if yes then start play :thumbsup

[Stinky gloves]

So far after first round clear win for Peter with plenty of knockdowns
and draw in Holy-Ibragimov fight.

[Stinky gloves]

In second round Maskaev is getting back but Peter far ahead on points.
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Hollyfield-Ibragimov still even.

[Stinky gloves]

My candidates for the four-man tournaments:

WBC - McCall, Vitaly K, Virchis, Thompson
WBA - Valuev, Lyakhovich, Fields, Gomez
WBO - Golota, Tua, Arreola, Dimitrenko

[Zakman]

Peter is gonna lay Maskaev out cold EARLY.

The Holyfield-Ibragimov fight is harder to predict, but I'm not sold on Sultan at all, and I think Holyfield will train like a maniac for this fight - he knows it's his last shot. Something tells me the old warrior will pull it out, maybe even by late TKO.

[Willy Bonka]

Based on current Top-15 Ratings( as of 8-07-2007 ), My *choices are...

WBC;
Vladimir Virchis - Juan Carlos Gomez /
Oliver McCall - David Tua

WBA;
Nicolay Valuev - Kali Meehan /
Serguei Liakhovich - Michael Moorer

WBO;
Alexander Dimitrenko - V. Klitschko /
Tony Thompson - Matt Skelton

My candidates for the four-man tournaments:

WBC - McCall, Vitaly K, Virchis, Thompson
WBA - Valuev, Lyakhovich, Fields, Gomez
WBO - Golota, Tua, Arreola, Dimitrenko

...Tournaments are supposed to involve ONLY Contenders who are rated within the Top-15 of each( WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO ), to determine Opponents for each Champ!?

NOT RATED Top-15 by WBC;
V. Klitschko & Tony Thompson

NOT RATED Top-15 by WBA;
Tye Fields

NOT RATED Top-15 by WBO;
Andrew Golota, David Tua & Cris Arreola

:think

[brooklyn1550]

Peter KO Maskaev
Holyfield UD Ibragimov

[Willy Bonka]

Peter is gonna lay Maskaev out cold EARLY.

The Holyfield-Ibragimov fight is harder to predict, but I'm not sold on Sultan at all, and I think Holyfield will train like a maniac for this fight - he knows it's his last shot. Something tells me the old warrior will pull it out, maybe even by late TKO.

Peter KO Maskaev
Holyfield UD Ibragimov

OK, so which 12 Heavyweights do both of You *choose for the "4-Man" Tournaments( 4 Boxers for WBC, 4 Boxers for WBA, 4 Boxers for WBO )?

:think

[Stinky gloves]

...Tournaments are supposed to involve ONLY Contenders who are rated within the Top-15 in each( WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO )!?


:think


Its all pollitics and connections who is in the ranks and who isn't.
For example Meehan and Moorer in top 15th?

I give you chance to be the one who decide which boxer is valuable
and which should get a chance for the elliminator tournament.
You da man!

At the very end the ESB ringpoll will decide who the real champion is.

[Stinky gloves]

Report from round 3.
Peter still leads (19-12) but Maskaev getting stronger.
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Holyfield - Ibragimov head in head (16-16) ... a draw very possible.

Post your propositions for tournaments, you have your favourite boxers have you?

[Stinky gloves]

Peter is gonna lay Maskaev out cold EARLY.

The Holyfield-Ibragimov fight is harder to predict, but I'm not sold on Sultan at all, and I think Holyfield will train like a maniac for this fight - he knows it's his last shot. Something tells me the old warrior will pull it out, maybe even by late TKO.

Holy is young again, he can definitely pull an upset.

[Stinky gloves]

Round four
Peter - Maskaev (22-14)
Holyfield-Ibragimov (18-19)

Post your favorites for the tournaments, if you don't you will be voting between
Moorer and Meehan probably.

[Willy Bonka]

Hmmm...

Michael Moorer vs Kali Meehan...

that would work too!

:think

[Stinky gloves]

Hmmm...

Michael Moorer vs Kali Meehan...

that would work too!

:think
Meehan never was really title material, and Moorer have the best years long time ago.
The one good thing is they stay active recently and wins but I think its too early for
them to be included into the elliminators.

Its better to include some fresh upcommers or fighters who guarantee some excitement.

[Willy Bonka]

...I *VOTED Mine, still don't see any other *VOTES!?

[Stinky gloves]

ROund 5, Peter still far ahead (29-18 )
Holyfield finally slowed down a little bit (23-1-25)

Its really surprising, are you people really have no candidates which could fight for the title?

[Stinky gloves]

Please :welcome

.... publish your types for the tournaments !:boxer

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Round 6

Peter 31 - Maskaev 19, its seems by by Maskaev
Holyfield 24 - Ibragimov 27 one draw, still everything may happen

post your candidates for tournaments!

[SevenSamurai]

Maskaev WUD12
Ibragimov WUD12

[Sweden]

WBO
Golota (IMO he beat Byrd, Ruiz for titles)
Lyachovich (A second chance)
Briggs (Should have the opportunity to redeem himself)
Thompson (Beat Krasniqi)

Winner: Lyachovich

WBC
Vitali (Emeritus Champion)
McCall (WBC International Champion)
Gomez (Beat McCall, WBC Latino Champion)
Rachman (Former Champion, A Last Hurrah)

Winner: Vitali

WBA
Valuev(Is entitled to a second chance)
Ruiz (IMO he beat Valuev, longt-time WBA Champion)
Tua (Follows the same route as Holyfield, big name+undefeated lately against easy opposition)
Virchis (Beat Chagaev IMO, entitled to a chance at the crown)

Winner: Virchis

IBF
Byrd
Povetkin
Brock
Chambers

Winner: Povetkin

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WBO
Golota (IMO he beat Byrd, Ruiz for titles)
Lyachovich (A second chance)
Briggs (Should have the opportunity to redeem himself)
Thompson (Beat Krasniqi)

Winner: Lyachovich

WBC
Vitali (Emeritus Champion)
McCall (WBC International Champion)
Gomez (Beat McCall, WBC Latino Champion)
Rachman (Former Champion, A Last Hurrah)

Winner: Vitali

WBA
Valuev(Is entitled to a second chance)
Ruiz (IMO he beat Valuev, longt-time WBA Champion)
Tua (Follows the same route as Holyfield, big name+undefeated lately against easy opposition)
Virchis (Beat Chagaev IMO, entitled to a chance at the crown)

Winner: Virchis

IBF
Byrd
Povetkin
Brock
Chambers

Winner: Povetkin

Thanks Sweden,

New report from round 7.

Peter 39 - Maskaev 20. Seems like Maskaev too many knockdowns.
Holyfield 25 Ibragimov 35, 1 draw.
Poor stamina in Holy this time, his age insn't helping him which should be expected.

[Stinky gloves]

Round 8.

Situation is almost clear now:

Peter 41 - Maskaev 20 .... almost blow up.
Holy 25 - Ibragimov 37 .... poor dady, no more dreams!

Please post more tournament condidates to find next mandatory challenger.
Your 4 favourite boxers for each title (WBC, WBA, WBO)

[Sweden]

Threats to Wladimir

1. Vitali
2. Povetkin (if he keeps developing the way he has)
4. A lucky punch

None of the others can touch him on points, a puncher's chance is the only way to beat him.

[Belanio]

WBO
Thompson - Oquendo
Skelton - Briggs

WBC
Virchis - Gomez
McCall - Rahman

WBA
Valuev - Ruiz
Lyakhovich - Williamson

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WBO
Thompson - Oquendo
Skelton - Briggs

WBC
Virchis - Gomez
McCall - Rahman

WBA
Valuev - Ruiz
Lyakhovich - Williamson
Thanks, Its amost done,
Peter 44 - Maskaev 22
Holy stoped at 25 - Ibragimov 42, Poor Holy he was competitive only for the forst 6 rounds.

You have chance to put your propositions for tournaments only to the end of today.

[Stinky gloves]

So far summary of the contenders for tournaments. I place these who
got most votes first and arrange them for the most votes per particular title.
After that the less voted guys.

WBC:
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McCall - 4
Gomez - 3 + 1 (WBA)
Virchis - 3 + 1 (WBA)
Vitaly -2 +1 (WBO)
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Rahman - 2

WBA:
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Valuev - 4
Lyakhovitch - 3 + 1 (WBO)
Ruiz - 2
Tua - 1 +1 (WBO) +1 (WBC)
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Fields - 1
Meehan - 1
Moorer - 1
Williamson - 1

WBO:
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Thompson - 3 + 1 (WBC)
Briggs - 2
Golota - 2
Dimitrenko - 2
Skelton - 2
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Arreola - 1
Quendo - 1

If nobody put more inputs then the only thing will be to remove
one WBO contender who keeps 2 votes so far.
I like a ballance between 2 older guys and two new contenders
so if you have nothing else in particular I will chose between
Dimitrenko and Skelton. Probably I will include Skelton bcs he is 40
and this will be his last chance to chave a crack at the title.

So put more options if you are not satisfied with the current rank.

[Stinky gloves]

Post your candidates to the end of Today.
Tomorrow we start fisrt tournaments.

[Sweden]

WBO:
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Thompson - 3 + 1 (WBC)
Briggs - 2
Golota - 2
Dimitrenko - 2
Skelton - 2
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Arreola - 1
Quendo - 1

If nobody put more inputs then the only thing will be to remove
one WBO contender who keeps 2 votes so far.
I like a ballance between 2 older guys and two new contenders
so if you have nothing else in particular I will chose between
Dimitrenko and Skelton. Probably I will include Skelton bcs he is 40
and this will be his last chance to chave a crack at the title.

So put more options if you are not satisfied with the current rank.

I would prefer Dimitrenko. Skelton never was and never willo be any serious threat. Let's see what folks think about Dimitrenko. Personally I think he lacks the roughness that is needed to weather the storm when things get tough. He'll freeze up and will be on his way to la la land. Skelton is just plodding boring fighter that lacks the technique and the punch to test any of the real contenders.

[Stinky gloves]

Summary for the current tile fights:

Peter 44 - Maskaev 22. Peter start with many votes on KO, then Maskaev
got back with UD equaling Peter to the middle of the contest. Somewhere
from round 5/6 Peter took huge lead in KO votes. So the conclusion is
either:

Peter KO 1 or Peter TKO 6 ... good job Peter :bbb !

Holyfield 25 - Ibragimov 42, 1 draw. Holy was good contender until round 5,
it was even score then. From round 6/7 Ibragimov took big lead and
Holyfield did not score anything ... stamina problems very possible.
Conclusion:

Ibragimov UD or TKO 7 :thumbsup

Happy retirement Holyfield! :soccerye::soccergr::soccerbl::soccerred

What do you guys think about above outcome?

[Stinky gloves]

Your last chance to put your candidates for the tournaments ... anyone?

[Irish Steel]

There will be a hw champ of the world. It will be Wlad

[Stinky gloves]

There will be a hw champ of the world. It will be Wlad

Ok buddy thanks for your insightfull input, how about your candidates?